[Jandek] Re: which jandek cds should i avoid?
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Thu Dec 27 01:24:37 PST 2007
I would concurr with Brian. Terms like "good" and "bad" don't apply to Jandek. By most people's conventional standards it's all WRONG. Just dive in!
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1. which jandek cds should i avoid? (Michael.Goldman at CH2M.com)
2. which Jandek cd's should I avoid (Ludo Maas)
3. Re: jandek Digest, Vol 55, Issue 276 (Aunt Acid)
4. Re: which Jandek cd's should I avoid (chthonic streams)
5. I DON"T UNDERSTAND EVERYONES PROBLEM WITH THE SPOKEN WORD
ALBUMS (Nate Wilson)
6. Re: Coming Soon (G. Farough)
7. Worst albums (Scott Bateman)
8. VERY INTERESTING GUITAR INFO (Marshy)
9. What The Rep Recommends (Rick Hall)
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[Jandek] which jandek cds should i avoid?
Date:
Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:05:25 -0700
I don't think I'd
"avoid" any of them. There are definitely ones more suited for the newly
initiated. The voice only records may take you a little while longer to
get into.
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Ludo Maas <moderndances at gmail.com>
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[Jandek] which Jandek cd's should I avoid
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Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:11:02 +0100
interesting question, i am going to echo what has already been said.
(how useful)
his "studio-output" was best in the early days. New Town might've been
his last really cool studio-album.
the spoken word albums are (imho) for completists.. the bass albums
(shadow of leaves, the gone wait, couple more) are a little too far
out for me
so if you're going for 20.. i'd say 10 between 0739-0759, then New
Town, Graven Image, and a some live albums.
Ludo.
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[Jandek] Re: jandek Digest, Vol 55, Issue 276
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Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:18:12 -0800 (PST)
I had to weigh in on this - I'm not going to try to pick any "weak link" Jandek albums, mostly because I haven't heard one yet that hasn't affected me in some way, but I felt the need to defend the late period albums a bit. To me (and this is just an objective opinion) they are much more difficult records than the earlier stuff, almost more bold and rich and undiluted...sort of like going to black coffee after drinking it with cream and sugar for years. It can be pretty dense and downright daunting to listen to (Shadow Of Leaves I feel is one of the lowest levels in the Corwood repertoire) but with me it's sort of like...if you can really really enjoy and comprehend what's happening on the earlier albums, then the late period is so site-specific that it's literally only rewarding to those really
seasoned Jandek listeners. I don't exactly know what it would take to be a "seasoned Jandek listener" other than alot of repeated listening, but I get alot of evocative emotion from the later period stuff that the earlier records seem to lack in the way of maturity.
Anyway, I guess what I am getting to here is this: to anyone with limited budget, I would not expect "hit" Jandek albums or "weak" Jandek albums - I don't think either exist. It all just "is". My best suggestion to anyone would be to find album covers or album titles that stir you in any way, and go with those. Usually the mental expectation of what a record with a name like "Interstellar Discussion" sounds like is pretty colorful, so by the time you get to listening, you're already there, if you know what I mean.
>From a personal standpoint, I found it pretty hard to believe people here didn't like stuff like "I Threw You Away"...to me, there is no other Jandek record quite
like that one. All the subtle phasing on the guitar, tons of bottom-of-a-well reverb, and a disgusting sounding almost inhuman moan from the man himself. What's not to love when he's fumbling around dissonant chords and yelping "BLACK BLACK BLACK BLACK BLAAAAACK"? Pretty standard fare, if you ask me!
Brian
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Re: [Jandek] which Jandek cd's should I avoid
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Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:15:33 -0500
jandek is such an eclectic and erratic artist that the ability to
connect with his music individually is more important than with anyone
else i can think of. for example, conventional wisdom often dictated
soundalike singles modeled after a hit, such as in the motown days and
also in the 80s - if you liked song #1 you will like song #2 and
probably #3, followed by slight variations. whereas with jandek, i can
say i love "they told me about you" but be completely unenthralled by
other songs on the same album which sound almost exactly the same.
clearly the "vocal trilogy" will get the most 'caveat emptor's from
everyone. i will also say, if you've heard "om" from 'something in the
snow' (it is featured in the movie as spooky background music), don't
buy it thinking the whole album is like that, because it isn't. but if
you're up for a bumpy ride that mixes several of his "styles" then go
for it.
it's certainly easier to list one's favorites than least favorites. so
in that spirit i will say, make sure your first order includes:
ready for the house
six and six
chair beside a window
blue corpse
having been at the manhattan show, i would also highly recommend the
2-disc 'manhattan tuesday'
the rest is up to you...
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[Jandek] I DON"T UNDERSTAND EVERYONES PROBLEM WITH THE SPOKEN WORD ALBUMS
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Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:15:41 -0500
I constantly see people mention that they have a problem with the a capella albums.
This makes no sense to me. I feel that the albums are more powerful and so chock full of emotion that they should be impossible to ignore.
He had stepped away from the "comfort" of accompaniment and into a place where all you have are words. I listen to them a lot and its VERY REWARDING... I find more in them everytime I listen... and I would go as far as to say that is true about the spoken albums moreso than the regular albums.
I don't see them as challenging to get through, any person who has gone to college and sat through a 4 hour lecture could attest to that. It is no different then let's say listening to an audio book, tons of people do that.... I don't understand why people make such a big deal about them... and even go as far as to say that people "can't really like the spoken albums" That is complete crap.
I adore them
I love them
and "Put My Dream on This Planet" kept me from pulling the trigger on myself back in 2004.
If it weren't for that album, I would be wormfood.
Naythen Wilson
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Re: [Jandek] Coming Soon
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Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:51:19 -0600
Received a box from Corwood today, no mention of it on the catalog. Did ask a question about the "Burroughs" show, and he confirmed that it was recorded and intended for release in a note.
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"The Myth of The Blue Icicles".... this is what I am told
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[Jandek] Worst albums
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Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:03:34 -0800 (PST)
Personally, I think Jandek's current period (since the spoken word albums) is
his best period. I'm a huge fan of the bass albums, and the guitar albums since
2000 have been fantastic. I would love to see him do a solo bass concert.
Also, I'm a fan of the spoken word albums, but they're not for people just
discovering Jandek. I'm still kind of amazed that the Corwood Rep allowed me to
animate "I Went Outside" for my (on longterm hiatus) TV show.
Basically, the way I got into Jandek was simply by buying random albums that had
cool cover photos and names. There aren't really any bad ones; each one's got
merits.
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[Jandek] VERY INTERESTING GUITAR INFO
Date:
Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:56:05 -0500
i found this using g2p.org....
http://sparror.cubecinema.com/mr_hopkinson/2006.05.17%20Jandek/images/DSCF1029.jpg
it says
WHAT'S THE
WRITING
ON YOUR
GUITAR?
apparently the corwood rep replied
GODIN (on body)
GODIN Model LG (on neck)
so this is the electric he used...
http://www.guitarplayer.com/pop-up.aspx?content_id=30284§ion_code=1
or something close to this
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[Jandek] What The Rep Recommends
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Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:51:56 -0500
Maybe this has been mentioned before and I just missed it, but someone told me that they sent a note to Corwood and asked the Rep to send him the CD the Rep thought he should hear. Maybe Corwood just needed to move some merchandise, but "Chair Beside A Window" came in the mail. I'm doing the same thing next week and I'll let you all know the outcome. Has anyone else done this?
Texas
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