[Jandek] RE: jandek Digest, Vol 54, Issue 271

[alex langer]

i thought 'the door behind' meant something to do with leaving bad stuff 
behind a door thats closed or summit (dont wanna get to deep here)
but if you instanly thought "arse sex" well...maybe you should look for a 
sencse of humor? mmmm i dunno UP TO YOU isnt it?


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>Subject: jandek Digest, Vol 54, Issue 271
>Date: 27 Dec 2006 21:00:19 -0800
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>Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Insulting and Sophmoric (Alimarea Vasquez)
>    2. Re: jandek Digest, Vol 54, Issue 270 (Aunt Acid)
>    3. The blues and sexual innuendo (Gavin)
>    4. Re: Re: jandek Digest, Vol 54, Issue 270 (Paul Condon)



>From: "Alimarea Vasquez" <beachdame125 at hotmail.com>
>To: jandek at mylist.net
>Subject: [Jandek] Insulting and Sophmoric
>Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:24:04 -0500
>I understand the angle you are coming at Tim but personally it was 
>offensive.
>
>I am bisexual and I thought it was a bit much.... should I be judged for 
>how it affected me in my heart.  I don't think I was taking it too far.  I 
>just have spent much of my life with people making rude, off hand remarks 
>about gay topics and it just irks me.
>
>I still think it was in poor taste.
>
>Even if S.S. was gay, it is still not a cool thing to say.
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>From: Aunt Acid <anxietyparty at yahoo.com>
>To: jandek at mylist.net
>Subject: [Jandek] Re: jandek Digest, Vol 54, Issue 270
>Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 23:36:21 -0800 (PST)
>Hello everyone, I've been a member of the list for a little while now and 
>it's my first time officially saying "hello", so nice to meet all of you, 
>it's been interesting reading what alot of you have to contribute to the 
>records and live shows, thanks and please go easy on me!
>
>I should start by saying I'm a devoted fan who just became aware of Corwood 
>earlier this year, thanks to a friend in New Zealand. I've since bought a 
>bunch of the CDs and managed to track down a 12" of one of my favorites, On 
>The Way. I got the Jandek On Corwood DVD for Christmas this year and 
>something struck me about it, so I thought it worth bringing up here...
>
>Was anyone else really really turned off by the part of the DVD with the 
>shot of the bloody brain on the bedsheets? I don't know about you guys, but 
>I'm really really sick of people drawing parallels between 
>"non-conventional blues musician" and "psychotic killer". Sure, I can 
>understand that a number of the people on the DVD who were listening since 
>the very beginning may have thought that at one time or another, since the 
>first few records really were just him and his guitar, but I still expected 
>the documentarians to have enough class to not let their movie fall into 
>that very predictable slump of "Oh maybe he's like another Charlie Manson" 
>etc etc.
>
>Anyway, sorry for the rant there...I just feel like people associating him 
>with killers is just as mundane as literally interpreting lyrics that 
>suggest he's mentally ill, has cancer or AIDS, or anything like that. Art 
>as potent and direct as Jandek's is so human I am always left scratching my 
>head as to why it hasn't connected with way more people than it has. To me 
>it sounds like the most basic primal storytelling one can do...social 
>commentary, autobiography and poetic surrealism all in one!
>
>All the best,
>
>Brian
>
>
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>    1. Re: jandek Digest, Vol 54, Issue 269 (A. Chankin)
>    2. Insulting and sophomoric (The Enchanter Tim)
>
>From: "A. Chankin" <achankin at gmail.com>
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>Subject: [Jandek] Re: jandek Digest, Vol 54, Issue 269
>Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 03:00:02 -0500
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>I have posted some further reflections on Indianapolis Saturday at 
>http://treeowls.blogspot.com/
>
>My thoughts about Jandek are too elaborate and constantly branching to post 
>them generally here, however I have decided to let my story unfold inside 
>of yours for the time being, and will continue to do so at that site.  So, 
>I will start going back and posting hypotheses, insights, lies, and truths 
>about the other albums/performances, and perhaps other books and music, at 
>that location for the time being.
>
>
>Arthur
>
>From: "The Enchanter Tim" <doesabearwoof at hotmail.com>
>Precedence: list
>Subject: [Jandek] Insulting and sophomoric
>Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:17:06 -0500
>To: jandek at mylist.net
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>Hmmm...but it's NOT insulting and sophomoric to react as though the mere
>insinuation/interpretation of a song/title were the most insulting thing in
>the world?  (Given Jandek's fondness for the blues, one should point out 
>the
>song 'Back Door Man' ;) )
>
>I'm reminded when I was 17 or so and Tom Selleck reacted with utter HORROR
>at the thought he might be gay.  Even though I had no idea of my sexual
>orientation then (well, not much), I remember thinking: 'That is a really
>DERANGED reaction, and says more than the insinuation does.'  In fact, I
>remember discussing that with friends of mine, and we all concluded the 
>only
>reasonable response to such an allegation (if one weren't an utter 'phobe),
>would be along the lines of Joan Jett's clearest public statement: 'I'd be
>glad to be thought of as a lesbian' (with obvious modifications for gender,
>etc.)
>
>I doubt that Jandek/S.S. is gay, but that's not the point.
>
>Tim, whose boyfriend was in Houston a while ago (turns out it was when
>Jandek would have been in Indiana, so I let him off the hook for not
>haunting the post office or calling Corwood Industries or looking for a 
>tall
>skeletal redhead... :) ), and who heard JAILHOUSE ROCK today on the radio
>(did Elvis EVER think about the implications of those lyrics? It's a pretty
>gay song to me...)
>
>
>"...men may become hairy as bears, if such is their fancy, without fear of
>excommunication or deprivation of their political rights." Charles Mackay
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>From: Gavin <gavin at arkhonia.co.uk>
>Reply-To: gavin <gavin at arkhonia.co.uk>
>To: jandek at mylist.net
>CC: The Enchanter Tim <doesabearwoof at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [Jandek] The blues and sexual innuendo
>Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 14:12:55 +0000
>
>
>Tuesday, December 26, 2006, 4:17:06 PM, you wrote:
>
>TET> Hmmm...but it's NOT insulting and sophomoric to react as though the 
>mere
>TET> insinuation/interpretation of a song/title were the most insulting 
>thing in
>TET> the world?  (Given Jandek's fondness for the blues, one should point 
>out the
>TET> song 'Back Door Man' ;) )
>
>I think the blues analogy is a valid defence of what *was* a pretty
>lame innuendo, but I can't think of any other Jandek lyric or title
>that seems remotely concerned with sexual innuendo of any kind - in
>fact, if one wants to consider (just for the sake of argument) that
>Jandek has anything at all to do with 'rock music', I think that the
>entire body of work is pretty unique in its absence of sexual
>reference, use of profanity etc...the word 'genitals' is used in two
>lyrics, which is unusual in itself in that it's a 'formal' reference
>that's not normally used in everyday speech (at least not these days -
>euphemisms are so much more expressive!) - I think what people might
>find offensive is the same thing that the (utterly cretinous) 'Butts
>For Jandek' offends: a sense of an inherent propriety, and a
>politeness - and that this elicts a likewise response in a
>listener...I can see the 'Door Behind' analogy now that it's been
>pointed out, but it would never have crossed my mind, and it adds
>nothing to my understanding of Jandekian metaphor. But obviously I'm
>only speaking for myself here; as far as I'm concerned, this kind of
>'lowest common denominator' critical thinking detracts from any kind
>of proper understanding of anything, be it music, literature or art,
>but it works for some people - but I personally think, life, art and
>metaphor is much richer than just bringing everything down to sex.
>
>Gavin
>
>


>
>
>





>From: "Paul Condon" <paulgcondon at gmail.com>
>To: jandek at mylist.net
>Subject: Re: [Jandek] Re: jandek Digest, Vol 54, Issue 270
>Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:38:41 +0000
>On 12/27/06, Aunt Acid <anxietyparty at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Was anyone else really really turned off by the part of the DVD with the
>>shot of the bloody brain on the bedsheets? ....I still expected the
>>documentarians to have enough class to not let their movie fall into that
>>very predictable slump of "Oh maybe he's like another Charlie Manson" etc
>>etc.
>
>
>The song "Wrong Time" on Jandek's 1985 album "Nine-thirty" includes the 
>line
>"You can put your bloody mind in a paper bag and eat it for lunch". The
>image you refer to was a sly reference to that - and arguably a somewhat
>clumsy one, since "mind" and "brain" are hardly the same thing. I can see
>how you interpreted it as you did, but it was merely an knowing nod to a
>particularly bizarre and enigmatic lyric. I think this may be explained on
>the commentary, though I haven't heard it for a while.






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