[Jandek] Jandek Irvine show on DIME torrent tracker??

Danen Jobe danen1970 at gmail.com
Sun Jan 16 20:15:22 PST 2011

Okay, my last word on this, I swear, but I wanted to make a point regarding
Jandek's press releases surrounding shows. What the curator puts out IS an
official press release, even if it doesn't come from 77220. The curator is
officially representing Jandek for the purpose of the show and if the Irvine
show had the "no recording" tag on it then that IS an origination from

I also want to add that, despite all of this, I genuinely like DIME and have
used them in the past, though not for a few years. That's part of why I was
a bit perturbed, considering that they once pulled a fabulous never released
anywhere else Phillip Glass performance a few years back based on someone
who wrote in and reminded them of Glass's policy of no recording. So be it.
But why not hold the same policy for Jandek? Does the site really expect
every artist to be in contact personally? I would imagine most have their
agents do it and that's equivilant to my statement above regarding curators.

And yeah, I watch the YouTubes as well. It's been too long since I've been
at a show, damn it. Still, I can't put myself behind high quality audio
recordings, I just can't.

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Bradleybee <bradleybee at yahoo.com> wrote:

>   The statement you made "Their argument is that when artists claim they
> will release their own shows, it doesn't always happen, so they feel
> justified in allowing it to be shared for free through their site" is not
> the truth.  It is more accurate to say that their argument is that when FANS
> claim ARTISTS will release their own shows, it doesn't always happen.
> If you want to expend effort to protect an artists rights (which is a noble
> gesture indeed) all you need to do is send a link to dime administrators of
> the artists official press release stating that all performances will be
> officially released without exception.  However, in the case of Jandek, that
> artists official press release simply doesn't exist.  We all learned of
> these intentions second-hand through promoters describing their dealings
> with the artist, and fans describing the cryptic written responses they've
> received from the PO box.  Unless the artist completely breaks form and
> begins publicizing exact future release dates of official recordings, then
> the earliest we as fans can get the recording removed from dime is when the
> official release is listed with a catalog number on coorwoodindustries.com
> God bless dime, the best website on the internet.  I am SO happy that the
> artist-friendly bootlegging-only dime website exists as an alternative to
> all the pirating websites out there...
> http://web.archive.org/web/20091019051640/geocities.com/bradleybee/
> http://www.last.fm/music/Bohdi
> --- On *Wed, 1/12/11, J. Free <j.free at sonicarchives.com>* wrote:
> From: J. Free <j.free at sonicarchives.com>
> Subject: [Jandek] Jandek Irvine show on DIME torrent tracker??
> To: jandek at mylist.net
> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 1:13 PM
>  I was kind of surprised to see the recent Irvine show on the DIME
> bit-torrent tracker this morning. I'm not on DIME myself, but one of my
> business partners is, and posted a question there about taking money out of
> the artist's pocket.
> I guess getting the show seems like good news for some folks, but am I
> missing something here? I was under the impression that Corwood intends to
> eventually release all of the live performances - has this been changed? Are
> they no longer posting those notices that state no audio / photos allowed,
> because Jandek was recording the shows himself?
> My friend contacted the admins of that torrent tracker, and they refused to
> remove the show, because Jandek hasn't contacted them personally, I guess.
> Their argument is that when artists claim they will release their own shows,
> it doesn't always happen, so they feel justified in allowing it to be shared
> for free through their site.
> Is there an officially stated policy here somewhere?
> J. Free / Sonic Archives
> sonicarchives(dot)com
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