[Jandek] Re: a bit of self-promotion
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I think you sound like adam sandler....
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Re: Where to start (Lauren Ciechanowski)
2. Re: a bit of self-promotion (Mark Greenberg)
3. Re: a bit of self-promotion (Mark Greenberg)
4. Re: a bit of self-promotion (Mark Greenberg)
5. Re: a bit of self-promotion (BlackMonk)
6. Re: a bit of self-promotion (BlackMonk)
7. Re: a bit of self-promotion (Matthew Elliott)
8. RE: a bit of self-promotion (Allen Rendel)
9. Re: a bit of self-promotion (Brad B)
10. RE: a bit of self-promotion (Bradleybee)
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Lauren Ciechanowski <lauren.ciechanowski at gmail.com>
To:
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Subject:
Re: [Jandek] Re: Where to start
Date:
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:16:33 -0500
I've got to agree with Danen on this. I think the temptation for a lot of people is to recommend the same albums they've been recommending for years, but Jandek's catalog and the subsequent bigger picture has really widened in scope, and I think that a lot of the newer albums can be erally great starters.
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I feel like some people might shy away from recommending the newer stuff simply because they're so used to recommending older, 'classic' Jandek, but some of his best work has been in the past 8 years or so, I think.
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My top three recommendations always seem to be Ready, Lost Cause, and Glasgow Monday, though Manhatten Tuesday might be edging that one out.
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Lauren
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On 8/13/07, Danen Jobe <danen1970 at gmail.com> wrote:
On a slightly different take:
?
Why not something newer? I personally think he's at the top of his game right now. Of course, you'd want to balance that with some earlier stuff, but I think Newcastle Sunday and Glasgow Monday are pretty tough to beat. Different from the early stuff, of course, but I think it's deserving. If you can get, say, an order of?seven (lucky number)?I'd do the two above, "Ready for the House," "Chair Beside a Window," "Blue Corpse," "The Living End" and "Glad to Get Away." You get through those and you have a pretty good idea of the sound. Some are personal picks - you might go with "Interstellar Discussion" or "Telegraph Melts" if you like things a bit more in the garage, or perhaps "Manhattan Tuesday" on the other end, with its psychedelic feel. I don't know. Maybe order the first ten and the last ten in a box of twenty? Can't beat the price.
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Blue Corpse is also generally considered to be a good starting point.
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Mark Greenberg <mark at mayfairrecordings.com>
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BlackMonk <BlackMonk at email.msn.com>
Cc:
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Subject:
Re: [Jandek] a bit of self-promotion
Date:
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:42:44 -0500
True, Good point. My comment, though at the heart of it truthful was snide and meant to get a little chuckle. My apologies to you BlackMonk.
Take care,
Mark
On Aug 14, 2007, at 12:35 PM, BlackMonk wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Jandek] a bit of self-promotion
Honest feedback is fine. I would appreciate honest feedback, but a snide comment posted to the entire list isn't what I would call worthwhile criticism.
To be clear, "You don't sound like either" is a perfectly reasonable observation. "Please don't take that as a compliment," is a gratuitious insult since there was no reason to think I would have taken it as a compliment.
Even an honest "I don't like it" would have been more substantial and would have been no surprise to me. Given that I accept comparisions to Jandek and Daniel Johnston as reasonable, if not accurate, it's safe to assume that I realize my music is not going to appeal to everyone.
The only reason I'm still cc'ing the Jandek list is because someone on the list might want to take my comments and use them to start a thread about criticism as it relates to Jandek.
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BlackMonk <BlackMonk at email.msn.com>
Cc:
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Subject:
Re: [Jandek] a bit of self-promotion
Date:
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:31:28 -0500
Neither?in my opinion.
Please do not take that as a compliment.
-Mark
On Aug 13, 2007, at 11:42 PM, BlackMonk wrote:
I guess I could be called Jandek-like in some sort of general sense.?
Actually, I have been. Personally, I think I'm closer to Daniel Johnston,?
and not all that close to him.
If you want, decide for yourself:
http://www.myspace.com/songsoftommystevens?
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Cc:
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Subject:
Re: [Jandek] a bit of self-promotion
Date:
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:08:44 -0500
The difference is I did not send you or this list a link to my music nor did I ask or invite feedback... you did invite the whole Jandek list by your post with your link.
If you are just fishing for compliments, sorry I can not help. If you posted your link?because?you wanted honest feedback, I am willing to add mine in more depth in one to one emails, though I I would understand if you are not interested in what I would have to say due to your not liking music you found I am part of.
Take care,
-Mark?
On Aug 14, 2007, at 11:55 AM, BlackMonk wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Greenberg" <mark at mayfairrecordings.com>
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Cc: <jandek at mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Jandek] a bit of self-promotion
Neither in my opinion.
No suprise to me, since I said the same thing myself.
Please do not take that as a compliment.
That's ok. I don't think too much of the music on your page.
I guess I could be called Jandek-like in some sort of general sense.
Actually, I have been. Personally, I think I'm closer to Daniel Johnston,
and not all that close to him.
If you want, decide for yourself:
http://www.myspace.com/songsoftommystevens
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From:
BlackMonk <BlackMonk at email.msn.com>
To:
Mark Greenberg <mark at mayfairrecordings.com>
Cc:
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Subject:
Re: [Jandek] a bit of self-promotion
Date:
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:35:26 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Greenberg" <mark at mayfairrecordings.com>?
To: "BlackMonk" <BlackMonk at email.msn.com>?
Cc: <jandek at mylist.net>?
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:08 PM?
Subject: Re: [Jandek] a bit of self-promotion?
?
> The difference is I did not send you or this list a link to my music?
> nor did I ask or invite feedback... you did invite the whole Jandek?
> list by your post with your link.?
?
> If you are just fishing for compliments, sorry I can not help. If you?
> posted your link because you wanted honest feedback, I am willing to?
> add mine in more depth in one to one emails, though I I would?
> understand if you are not interested in what I would have to say due?
> to your not liking music you found I am part of.?
>?
?
Honest feedback is fine. I would appreciate honest feedback, but a snide
comment posted to the entire list isn't what I would call worthwhile
criticism.?
?
To be clear, "You don't sound like either" is a perfectly reasonable
observation. "Please don't take that as a compliment," is a gratuitious
insult since there was no reason to think I would have taken it as a
compliment.?
?
Even an honest "I don't like it" would have been more substantial and would
have been no surprise to me. Given that I accept comparisions to Jandek and
Daniel Johnston as reasonable, if not accurate, it's safe to assume that I
realize my music is not going to appeal to everyone.?
?
The only reason I'm still cc'ing the Jandek list is because someone on the
list might want to take my comments and use them to start a thread about
criticism as it relates to Jandek.?
?
?
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BlackMonk <BlackMonk at email.msn.com>
To:
Mark Greenberg <mark at mayfairrecordings.com>
Cc:
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Subject:
Re: [Jandek] a bit of self-promotion
Date:
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:55:56 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Greenberg" <mark at mayfairrecordings.com>?
To: "BlackMonk" <BlackMonk at email.msn.com>?
Cc: <jandek at mylist.net>?
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:31 PM?
Subject: Re: [Jandek] a bit of self-promotion?
?
> Neither in my opinion.?
> ?
No suprise to me, since I said the same thing myself.?
?
> Please do not take that as a compliment.?
> ?
That's ok. I don't think too much of the music on your page.?
?
?
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Matthew Elliott <soccerdude219 at yahoo.com>
To:
Jandek <jandek at mylist.net>
Subject:
Re: [Jandek] a bit of self-promotion
Date:
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:59:38 -0700 (PDT)
I don't know, man, interesting guitar work, but the vocals are hard to hear in addition to the fact that you're kinda mumbling, and it sounds like it was recorded into a tape player in like 1986. It's pretty cheap nowdays (like 100 bucks) to get a sweet digital recorder that would have much better quality, so I'd reccomend that, depending on how serious you are. I hear?zero?Daniel Johnston in yr music, as it?pretty much has no melody in?by any conventional?definition. I guess there's a little Jandek, but whereas Jandek sounds serious, you just come?more?as a guy trying to sound funny or weird.?That isn't to say you sound like a phony- it just seems a little "art damaged", and judging from yr influences, perhaps that's inevitable. But that Bar Mitzvah photo is classic.?Anyway I appreciate yr balls in sending this a list of people who would inevitably rip you a new one, or worse,?say nothing at all. ?
?
If anyone else makes music and has?it on some kind of nifty streaming website, I'd love to hear it.?Some might consider it off topic, but I'm interested in hearing people's home-recorded crap, so if you don't want to send it to the list, send it to me.
BlackMonk <BlackMonk at email.msn.com> wrote:
I guess I could be called Jandek-like in some sort of general sense.
Actually, I have been. Personally, I think I'm closer to Daniel Johnston,
and not all that close to him.
If you want, decide for yourself:
http://www.myspace.com/songsoftommystevens
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Allen Rendel <arendel at ripco.com>
To:
Matthew Elliott <soccerdude219 at yahoo.com>; Jandek <jandek at mylist.net>
Cc:
Subject:
RE: [Jandek] a bit of self-promotion
Date:
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:41:06 -0500
One of
my bands?has audio available here:? http://myspace.com/magnetosphere?
and here:? http://magnetosphere.com/Listen.htm.?
None of it sounds a bit like Jandek, but it was all recorded at home (or in a
noisy bar).
?
Release the hounds!!!!? (or more likely the silent
indifference)
?
Allen
?
?
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Elliott
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 2:00 PM
To:
Jandek
Subject: Re: [Jandek] a bit of
self-promotion
I don't know, man, interesting guitar work, but the vocals are hard to
hear in addition to the fact that you're kinda mumbling, and it sounds like it
was recorded into a tape player in like 1986. It's pretty cheap nowdays (like
100 bucks) to get a sweet digital recorder that would have much better
quality, so I'd reccomend that, depending on how serious you are. I
hear?zero?Daniel Johnston in yr music, as it?pretty much has no
melody in?by any conventional?definition. I guess there's a little
Jandek, but whereas Jandek sounds serious, you just come?more?as a
guy trying to sound funny or weird.?That isn't to say you sound like a
phony- it just seems a little "art damaged", and judging from yr influences,
perhaps that's inevitable. But that Bar Mitzvah photo is classic.?Anyway
I appreciate yr balls in sending this a list of people who would inevitably
rip you a new one, or worse,?say nothing at all. ?
?
If anyone else makes music and has?it on some kind of nifty
streaming website, I'd love to hear it.?Some might consider it off topic,
but I'm interested in hearing people's home-recorded crap, so if you don't
want to send it to the list, send it to me.
BlackMonk
<BlackMonk at email.msn.com> wrote:
I
guess I could be called Jandek-like in some sort of general sense.
Actually, I have been. Personally, I think I'm closer to Daniel
Johnston,
and not all that close to him.
If you want, decide for
yourself:
http://www.myspace.com/songsoftommystevens
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Brad B <jealousagain38 at gmail.com>
To:
Matthew Elliott <soccerdude219 at yahoo.com>
Cc:
jandek at mylist.net
Subject:
Re: [Jandek] a bit of self-promotion
Date:
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:11:02 -0500
I agree, the vocals are pretty low, and seem to be mumbled constantly. I think there were some good guitar parts in there, especially on "World of Love", and "Let Me Love the People".
On 8/15/07, Matthew Elliott <soccerdude219 at yahoo.com> wrote:
I don't know, man, interesting guitar work, but the vocals are hard to hear in addition to the fact that you're kinda mumbling, and it sounds like it was recorded into a tape player in like 1986. It's pretty cheap nowdays (like 100 bucks) to get a sweet digital recorder that would have much better quality, so I'd reccomend that, depending on how serious you are. I hear?zero?Daniel Johnston in yr music, as it?pretty much has no melody in?by any conventional?definition. I guess there's a little Jandek, but whereas Jandek sounds serious, you just come?more?as a guy trying to sound funny or weird.?That isn't to say you sound like a phony- it just seems a little "art damaged", and judging from yr influences, perhaps that's inevitable. But that Bar Mitzvah photo is classic.?Anyway I appreciate yr balls in sending this a list of people who would inevitably rip you a new one, or worse,?say nothing at all. ?
?
If anyone else makes music and has?it on some kind of nifty streaming website, I'd love to hear it.?Some might consider it off topic, but I'm interested in hearing people's home-recorded crap, so if you don't want to send it to the list, send it to me.
BlackMonk <BlackMonk at email.msn.com>
wrote:
I guess I could be called Jandek-like in some sort of general sense.
Actually, I have been. Personally, I think I'm closer to Daniel Johnston,
and not all that close to him.
If you want, decide for yourself:
http://www.myspace.com/songsoftommystevens
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RE: [Jandek] a bit of self-promotion
Date:
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:16:31 -0700 (PDT)
--- Allen Rendel <arendel at ripco.com> wrote:
> Release the hounds!!!! (or more likely the silent
> indifference)
Myspace is not good at work... If somebody wanted to organize a
Jandek-list-original-composition comp (or podcast) I'd check it
out.
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