Message-ID: <19990504054521.13362.qmail@cs.nwu.edu> Subject: Corwood Industries web site To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu From: Seth Tisue Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 00:45:18 -0500 Needless to say, it's not official, it's just some Jandek fan in California who shelled out the cash for the domain name. What's on the site is a scanned postcard with the Corwood return address and a scanned copy of the 1998 Corwood catalog. The catalog shows the current prices: $8 for a CD, $80 for 20 CD's, $3000 for 1000 copies of an on-demand reissue of any of the out-of-print LP's, == Seth Tisue http://www.cs.nwu.edu/~tisue/ "We meet only to part/ Coming and going like white clouds/ Leaving traces so faint/ Hardly a soul notices" - Ryokan Message-ID: <7F78FC5A30A3D21195F90090272ABD0D5403B0@timcmortgage.com> From: "Ronsen, Josh" To: "'jandek@cs.nwu.edu'" Subject: RE: Corwood Industries web site Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:29:21 -0500 >$3000 for 1000 copies of an on-demand reissue of any of the out-of-print LP's, Hey! There must be at least 1000 people on the jandek list: all we have to do is chip in $3 and decide what LP we want. Well, which one? -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:45:14 -0400 (EDT) From: James Toth To: "Ronsen, Josh" cc: "'jandek@cs.nwu.edu'" Subject: RE: Corwood Industries web site In-Reply-To: <7F78FC5A30A3D21195F90090272ABD0D5403B0@timcmortgage.com> Message-ID: umm...OBVIOUSLY Ready for the House! and i'll put in TEN dollars! james =================================== MANY "ME TOO" MESSAGES OMITTED HERE =================================== From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:11:03 EDT Subject: Re: Jandek fans of the World Unite! To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Now, since that cost averages out to $3 per unit (no pun intended), should we all assume that we would be getting a CD instead of a vinyl reissue? Still it seems like a pipe dream since I doubt there are more than 100 people on this list. Corwood barely manages to move 1000 of each LP themselves...What if someone out there made MP3 recordings of crucial Jandek for everyone to download? I don't think Mr. Smith would be cracking down on such an activity seeing as he wouldn't even be making money on a legitimate repress. Message-ID: <372FDFD4.16B3@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 22:06:12 -0800 From: errora@earthlink.net To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: Jandek fans of the World Unite! References: with all due respect, the main thing about jandek is the quality of the whole presentation: visual, record cover photographs, as well as the audio experience. what would be the point of just the music, naked, and what would be deemed "essential" jandek anyway? From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <6a156c84.2461349e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 01:43:58 EDT Subject: Re: Jandek fans of the World Unite! To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Well you know, not everybody has $25--at least--to throw down per out-of-print album, provided you can find them, and there are a whole lot of albums (remember what Kurt Cobain said about how only pretentious people buy Jandek records? ). I would think that at least some of the people out there could do without the sleeve and appreciate the music first and foremost, which is what Jandek would probably want us to do. Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:46:11 -0500 To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu From: Ian Kasley Subject: Re: Jandek fans of the World Unite! At 12:11 AM -0400 5/5/99, NCR13@aol.com wrote: >list. Corwood barely manages to move 1000 of each LP themselves...What if >someone out there made MP3 recordings of crucial Jandek for everyone to >download? I don't think Mr. Smith would be cracking down on such an activity >seeing as he wouldn't even be making money on a legitimate repress. the entire "Lost Cause" LP is now available for your downloading pleasure in low-fat, high-protien RealAudio and new sparkling clear MPEG flavor at... http://www.sweb.com/~r0et/jandek/ it's the only Jandek record i have (or have ever even heard, for that matter), but if anyone wants to supply copies of other albums i'd be more than happy to MP3 and/or host them as well. (the server these files are on can be flaky now and then, but i essentially have no disk quota, so theoretically lots of stuff could go up there) anyhoo, feel free to contact me to work out the technical details... Ian Kasley 680 S. Federal #510 Chicago, IL 60605 (312) 554-1835 iankasley@mindspring.com ICQ: 5985755 "look outside, genitals..." /ian From: Virgielder@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 02:15:38 EDT Subject: Re: Jandek fans of the World Unite! To: NCR13@aol.com, jandek@cs.nwu.edu In a message dated 5.5.99 6:45:15 AM, NCR13@aol.com writes: >I would think that at least some of the people out there >could do without the sleeve and appreciate the music first and foremost, >which is what Jandek would probably want us to do. I don't think that it's fair to say that Jandek is only interested in people listening to his music, he's definitely interested in creating a mythology around his records. Jandek is someone who knows how to create a myth around himself, regardless of how few people know or care about his music or his history. Jandek's album covers are the only thing that adorn his music, they're the only thing that provides us with any information besides the music. Besides, the photographs are (to me) often beautiful in and of themselves. Tim Message-Id: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 05:17:55 -0500 To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu From: Ian Kasley Subject: random Jandek things Jandek "bio" and mention on houston.sidewalk.com http://houston.sidewalk.com/detail/17293 http://houston.sidewalk.com/detail/31108 Sterling M. Smith's homepage (dig the photo on /biopage.html... could _this_ be Jandek?!) http://home.earthlink.net/~sylver curious Jandek mention on a page which "contains profiles of rock musicians that started playing in the 1980's". http://www.scaruffi.com/vol4/jandek.html (in Italian) article in a Seattle indie music 'zine (i think that's what it is anyway, the site was kinda' confusing) http://www.seattlesquare.com/pandemonium/featurestext/50ChickenOutOfHell.htm apparently, "Jandek" not only makes music, but also shortwave radio equipment... http://www.pwpublishing.ltd.uk/swm/SWMreviews.html two mentions in Houston's now-defunct "alternative newsweekly", Public News http://www.publicnews.com/issues/775/cover.html http://www.publicnews.com/issues/773/ondisc.html Jandek hits the big time with a listing on Yahoo! Music http://musicfinder.yahoo.com/shop?d=p&id=jandek pictures from my pilgrimage to the Corwood P.O. Box coming soon... "gone to bed, shut my head..." /ian Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990505115520.40702.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 09:31:47 -0400 To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: a 1000 reasons I think the only thing that might be problematic about the mpeg idea is that, while I'm sure he's not making much money off the reprints, he's at least getting _some_ money. With the non-Corwood-related mpeg distribution, he's not getting anything. Maurice Rickard | "Multimedia will never go anywhere Designer | until the amateurs take over." http://www.envirolink.org/maurice | --David Thomas Message-ID: <37305AD1.36D7@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 06:50:57 -0800 From: errora@earthlink.net To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: Jandek fans of the World Unite! References: <6a156c84.2461349e@aol.com> jandek would want us to appreciate the music, first and foremost, above the visual presentation? Well, dang it all, call me a goddamn PRE-tentious Jandek fan. Just like K.C. said I wuz! Message-ID: <37305CE1.3AD1@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 06:59:45 -0800 From: errora@earthlink.net To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: a 1000 reasons References: <19990505115520.40702.qmail@hotmail.com> Sounds good. I'd pay postage. After all, I'm one of those pretentious people who enjoys the record covers as much, OR MORE, than the actual "music" itself. =================================== MORE "ME TOO" MESSAGES OMITTED HERE =================================== Message-ID: <19990505140759.19062.qmail@cs.nwu.edu> Subject: $3000 To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu From: Seth Tisue Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 09:07:57 -0500 Hey y'all, I think some sarcasm in Josh's original message is being missed here. There aren't anywhere near 1000 of us, there's 84, and that means that if this is actually going to happen, some individual is actually going to have to invest a big chunk of their own money. It might not actually be a bad investment (sell 'em to distributors for $5, only have to sell 600 to break even); I'd do it if I had the money but I don't, == Seth Tisue http://www.cs.nwu.edu/~tisue/ "We meet only to part/ Coming and going like white clouds/ Leaving traces so faint/ Hardly a soul notices" - Ryokan Message-ID: <19990505201553.1946.rocketmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 13:15:53 -0700 (PDT) From: brad emrich Subject: Jandek pool To: jandek Alot of people have written to the list wanting to pledge $10 to re-print "ready for the house", but only one other person is willing to spend $30+??? Lets put this in prespective folks: If you were to find a copy of RFTH on e-bay or a collectors record shop, you would probably pay AT LEAST $50 !!! If we can get 50 people from this list to pledge $60 each, we could actually do this, and each person would not get 1 used (scratched up, warped)copy, each pledge would get 20 brand-spanking new copies! Surely you can spend more than $10. Imported CDs nowadays can cost $25 bucks. If you are willing to spend more than $10 to bring the Jandek vinyl catalogue back to life, please e-mail me privately (subject:Jandek pool) at bradleybee@yahoo.com. Also keep in mind that the money won't be needed next week. I get the feeling this might take a few months to get this together. Also, if I can get close to $3000 pledged, I will be willing to talk to a few local Houston record stores (Sound Exchange, Vinal Edge) and see if they would want to sponser this deal, spending the rest of the money needed to get this album re-printed. Thanks. Message-Id: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:52:57 -0500 To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu From: Ian Kasley Subject: Corwood P.O. Box picture, etc. finally got off of my lazy ass and scanned my photos of the Corwood Industries P.O. Box. i also took some pictures of 3333 Cummins when i was back in Houston recently, which is the address that Infospace.com (among others) lists for Corwood Industries. grok 'em at... http://www.sweb.com/~r0et/jandek/ unfortunately, the lens i used produced an icky fisheye effect when i zoomed in on the P.O. Box. i went back later and took some more pictures using a different (and hopefully better) lens, but have yet to get around to having them developed. will try to do that this week. /ian =================================== MORE "ME TOO" MESSAGES OMITTED HERE =================================== Message-ID: <19990506201356.12897.qmail@cs.nwu.edu> Subject: No more "me too" To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu From: Seth Tisue Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:13:54 -0500 For God's sake, all of you, would you PLEASE stop sending "me too" messages to the Jandek list... obviously any of us would pay $10 for a copy of "Ready For the House". Right now it sounds like the only one who actually has a plan is Brad Emrich, bradleybee@yahoo.com, so if you can chip in more money to make this happen, like $30 or $50 or $60, then write him directly, otherwise keep quiet... == Seth Tisue http://www.cs.nwu.edu/~tisue/ "We meet only to part/ Coming and going like white clouds/ Leaving traces so faint/ Hardly a soul notices" - Ryokan Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 07:10:50 -0500 To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu From: Ian Kasley Subject: AIH-2596/sleep deprived ramblings i was looking at my LP of Lost Cause a while back and noticed that on the label beneath the Corwood catalog number (CR-0759) and where it indicates the record's running speed, it says "AIH-2596" (which is also written in the run-out groove of the record itself). now the only AIH down there that i can think of is The Art Institute of Houston, and they never had a record cutting lathe when i was going to school there. in fact, i seriously doubt that that they ever did. the only other connection to that school that i can think of is that perhaps "AIH-2596" might refer to a client job number or something. like maybe the recording was transferred from 4-track cassette (i'd assume that's what Jandek uses anyway) to 1/4" open reel tape or DAT at the school, then somehow delivered to the record manufacturer through a connection with the school. but that's really stretching it. i'm up past my bedtime and my mind is running a little wild here. man, i gotta lay offa' the RC Cola... i did look through the Houston phone book when i was still living there and tried to find a record manufacturer and/or distributor whose name might be abbreviated to "AIH" but never turned anything promising. i did however notice that Corwood Industries has a yellow pages listing tho'. i've asked my folks to rip that page out and send it to me. will scan and post it, natch. anyhoo, the point of all this... has anyone else noticed anything similar on other Jandek releases, be it on the labels, sleeves, run-out grooves or perhaps even the inner ring of the CDs? (they usually have pressing plant info and/or catalog number and such on them) looking for clues, /ian From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <10b39c50.24699129@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:56:57 EDT Subject: Re: AIH-2596/sleep deprived ramblings To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu I went back and checked, and the albums prior to 1988 have an "LH-" prefix instead of "AIH" (the ones I have anyway). As for a yellow pages listing...Could Mr. Smith actually have a business besides the record company that is also called Corwood? The picture of the place looked kind of nice, so maybe whatever this Corwood Industries is makes enough money for him to put out so many records without financial worries. Message-ID: <19990513070806.75084.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "aerick mackintosh" To: NCR13@aol.com, jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: AIH-2596/sleep deprived ramblings Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:08:05 PDT i don't know where exactly this info that i've gotten came from asides from a comment made by a fellow dj friend but i hear that good ol' jandek has his own cd/record pressing company... but that's just a rumor i'm spreading mind you -aerick sigfred michael mackintosh (of plastic duck recordings) &... (host of "the super secret lodge show" on KAOS,Olympia 89.3fm) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:55:11 -0500 To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu From: Ian Kasley Subject: scan of Corwood Yellow Pages listing now available just what the title says. it's not terribly interesting, but what the hell... it's Jandek-related. grok it at... http://www.sweb.com/~r0et/jandek/pix.html P.S. the server this stuff is on seems to have been flaking out intermittently over the past few days. if it doesn't seem to connect, try again in a bit. Message-ID: <37445BE6.FA42FDBB@interaccess.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:00:54 -0500 From: Tom Colley To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: you rock Thank you so much for maintaining this page, jandek is so amazing, I've been a fan of his for about 8 years, since I discovered a wonderful collection at WOBC in Oberlin OH. I have 4 records and 2 cds, If you know any way to acquire more of the vinyl, please let me know. Also, the only stores That I have ever found his records in are Ajax in chicago on Western ave, and Aomeba in Berkeley. They both have labeled sections. Also, as you probably know, I am sure that the second Palace Brothers LP (originaly self titled, then retitled something i forget right now) is a jandek tribute. also, please put me on your list. thanks much, Tom Colley crosshair@interaccess.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:02:26 -0500 To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu From: Ian Kasley Subject: more Jandek mentions... found some Jandek mentions in a Hyperreal discussion list archive at... http://hyperreal.org/music/lists/idm/archives/idm.9809 ...tho' seeing as the full document weighs in at about 3.5 megs, i'm forwarding the two relevant postings for those of you have better things to do with your bandwidth. - - - - - - - - - - - From idm-owner-idm-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Sep 02 06:47:18 1998 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19980831235327.24946.qmail@hyperreal.org> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 02:57:02 -0500 To: "Arthur B. Purvis" From: Hrvatski Subject: Re: (idm) lesser/kid 606 Cc: idm@hyperreal.org >>Okay, I like the Lesser stuff, most of it (not the remix my high-school >>band stuff) on a purely cut-off level; as if he'd heard one Goldie record >>from 1993 and mapped out his own agenda of what drum n' bass should sound > >Please explain how in the hell you like something on "a purely cut-off >level." That is one of the stupider expressions I've heard recently. You'll have to pardon Hekla, his english isn't what it should be after five years in Boston. I think what he meant was that a member of the Drum n' Bass 'scene' in the UK would have access to the tips & techniques of his peers where as someone in the US who doesn't have direct communication with said 'scene' tries to emulate the style without having a definite knowledge of the 'correct' techniques necessarily involved. This is why all of the UK guys are now eating up US stuff (it's happening, believe me), we do it WRONG, and they like the spin we put on this 'now had' genre. He's putting Lesser in with the great legion of American 'cut-offs', i.e. Jandek, Bertoia, Partch, etc... people that made music based on their fundamental understanding of other existing musical forms, and continued to mold their own mutant strain into something along the lines of their 'voice' of 'individual take'. This is a good thing. >>like by now. But the Haters? Men's Recovery Project? When you follow the >>lineage of something like that through techno/breaks you're bound to end >>up with something bad. > >You are an idiot. I won't even bother to comment further on the above >statement. But you have. Oh, the great IDM irony. I've seen the Haters four times now, and Hekla's been there for three of them. In a particular show, Larsen 'played' a contact-miked tire w/ an electric sander. While this sounds good in theory, and does still seem appealing after the first few minutes, it does not after 90, and the resulting vulcanized air spewing around the small room makes EVERYONE ill, including those who go to 'test' their appreciation of experimental musical forms and die-hard fans. I'm all for art pranks (as is Hekla), but only good ones. Hekla (and now I as well, to some extent) is railing against this whole idea of 'joke' records; not even pranks but full-on jokes, ones very easy to see through before even landing the CD in your player. 4 disc CDs? i got a little weary after I reviewed the second one (which came with a free marred CD-Rom; from some damaged Macromedia batch nonetheless). By releasing these records by artists any of us would rather here in their respective aegi (Matmos in particular, if they didn't spend so much time on this derivative pap they'd be cranking out more of their own stuff (can't wait for those Bjork remixes)) they sort of donate to the glut of bad records clogging up 'experimental' sections in shops and detracting attention from the real groundbreaking stuff that remains hopelessly obscured. I'm not saying that VC is the direct cause of this, I just really think that if you had to choose between a recording that someone spent two years of his life perfecting versus something recorded stoned in one afternoon, well, which one you got would sort of define you... Sorry for the bandwidth. Hekla's back in Iceland for a few weeks so I kind of felt responsible for retaliating on his behalf. I'm always picking up after that guy... -VĀt. ___________________________________ Reckankreuzungs Klankewerkzeuge & Company PO Box 382864 Cambridge, MA 02238 - 2864 is online @ http://www.tiac.net/users/sheket From idm-owner-idm-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Sep 02 17:32:11 1998 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:00:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Arthur B. Purvis" To: Hrvatski cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (idm) lesser/kid 606 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Hrvatski wrote: > of the 'correct' techniques necessarily involved. This is why all of the UK > guys are now eating up US stuff (it's happening, believe me), we do it > WRONG, and they like the spin we put on this 'now had' genre. He's putting > Lesser in with the great legion of American 'cut-offs', i.e. Jandek, > Bertoia, Partch, etc... people that made music based on their fundamental > understanding of other existing musical forms, and continued to mold their > own mutant strain into something along the lines of their 'voice' of > 'individual take'. This is a good thing. OK - but it seemed to me like a pretty derogatory statement. Curious how Jandek is a cut-off - I mean, certainly he's not part of normal society, but he's at the heart (sort of) of the kind of music he makes (sometimes). > But you have. Oh, the great IDM irony. I've seen the Haters four times now, > and Hekla's been there for three of them. In a particular show, Larsen > 'played' a contact-miked tire w/ an electric sander. While this sounds good > in theory, and does still seem appealing after the first few minutes, it > does not after 90, and the resulting vulcanized air spewing around the > small room makes EVERYONE ill, including those who go to 'test' their > appreciation of experimental musical forms and die-hard fans. I'm all for > art pranks (as is Hekla), but only good ones. I wouldn't go see the Haters. I object more to the idea that someone could dismiss an entire label based on the fact that they released a Haters record (nevermind that the Haters are only one band on the label), and I think it's just indescribably idiotic to claim that nothing good can come of a mix of certain influences. > Hekla (and now I as well, to some extent) is railing against this whole > idea of 'joke' records; not even pranks but full-on jokes, ones very easy > to see through before even landing the CD in your player. 4 disc CDs? i got Fine, I'll agree that the disc CDs are a waste of everyone's time/money/effort. But that's no reason to dismiss VC entirely - maybe reason for reproach, maybe even concern, but not for dismissal. --- the humble abbott arthur purvis set his hand hereto