Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9717 invoked by uid 1029); 2 Jul 2002 02:36:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 8289 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 21:25:27 -0000 Received: from web12006.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.172.214) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 21:25:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20020630212526.96530.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.54.36.78] by web12006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:25:26 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:25:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Cooley Subject: Re: Jandek for sale update To: Jason Cooley , jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20020627181850.65916.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Here is an update on the list of Jandek titles I have for sale. > "SIX AND SIX" $10 SOLD > "LATER ON" $8 SOLD > "CHAIR BESIDE A WINDOW" $12 SOLD > "LIVING IN A MOON SO BLUE" $12 SOLD > "STARING AT THE CELLOPHANE" $10 > "INTERSTELLAR DISCUSSION" $10 SOLD > "NINE-THIRTY" $10 SOLD > "FOREIGN KEYS" $10 > "FOLLOW YOUR FOOTSTEPS" $10 > "ON THE WAY" $8 SOLD > "THE LIVING END" $8 SOLD > "SOMEBODY IN THE SNOW" $10 > "ONE FOOT IN THE NORTH" $8 > "LOST CAUSE" $12 > "TWELFTH APOSTLE" $10 Also, I put up a super-nice copy of "The Rocks Crumble" up on ebay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=890297982 thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10040 invoked by uid 1029); 2 Jul 2002 02:38:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 12764 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 13:43:22 -0000 Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.175.43) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 13:43:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20020701134322.16359.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.57.129.227] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 06:43:22 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:43:22 -0700 (PDT) From: silent j Subject: Re: Georgia Peaches En Regalia To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Sterling Smith... was "Ready for the House" a change > of direction after a > stint as an LA session musician? "Left the Beach > thought i cannot to be to sure about the beach boys...i do know there was a punk rock band from Cali called the units who lost one of there guitar players in 1978...makes you wonder dosen't it... j > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 23538 invoked by uid 1029); 2 Jul 2002 23:24:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 12029 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 03:25:47 -0000 Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.105) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 03:25:47 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id l.8e.2a4bb07b (3968) for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:25:11 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.2a4bb07b.2a527716@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:25:10 EDT Subject: Re: Jandek for sale update To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Man, does everyone have them already or something? I can't believe you didn't sell them all in 10 minutes. In a message dated 7/1/02 10:36:34 PM, jasonx12@yahoo.com writes: << Here is an update on the list of Jandek titles I have for sale. > "SIX AND SIX" $10 SOLD > "LATER ON" $8 SOLD > "CHAIR BESIDE A WINDOW" $12 SOLD > "LIVING IN A MOON SO BLUE" $12 SOLD > "STARING AT THE CELLOPHANE" $10 > "INTERSTELLAR DISCUSSION" $10 SOLD > "NINE-THIRTY" $10 SOLD > "FOREIGN KEYS" $10 > "FOLLOW YOUR FOOTSTEPS" $10 > "ON THE WAY" $8 SOLD > "THE LIVING END" $8 SOLD > "SOMEBODY IN THE SNOW" $10 > "ONE FOOT IN THE NORTH" $8 > "LOST CAUSE" $12 > "TWELFTH APOSTLE" $10 Also, I put up a super-nice copy of "The Rocks Crumble" up on ebay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=890297982 thanks >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24101 invoked by uid 1029); 2 Jul 2002 23:27:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 30992 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 12:47:01 -0000 Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.175.41) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 12:47:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20020702124701.14312.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.57.129.227] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 05:47:01 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:47:01 -0700 (PDT) From: silent j Subject: Re: Georgia Peaches En Regalia To: tom bruny , jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20020702043009.96638.qmail@web40209.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i really don't know...i read about this band in a book called Punk Diary 1970-1979 by local personality (by local i mean Dallas area) George Gamarc (SP?) in the book he makes two references to the band...but neither have any real info...just that they released a record at some point and lost one of there guitar players in 1978...it is strange that in all other cases - no matter how obscure the band a personnel listing is always included.... except in the case of the Units... well.... that's all i have j --- tom bruny wrote: > > Can This Be Verified? > can we locate members of > the band? > > silent j wrote:Sterling Smith... was "Ready for the > House" a change > > of direction after a > > stint as an LA session musician? "Left the Beach > > > > thought i cannot to be to sure about the beach > boys...i do know there was a punk rock band from > Cali > called the units who lost one of there guitar > players > in 1978...makes you wonder doesn't it... > > > j > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29796 invoked by uid 1029); 3 Jul 2002 01:53:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 29437 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 01:46:54 -0000 Received: from web12007.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.172.215) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 01:46:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20020703014651.3783.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.54.36.45] by web12007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:46:51 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:46:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Cooley Subject: Re: Jandek for sale update To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <8e.2a4bb07b.2a527716@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Yeah, they went pretty quick. The only one I have left is "One Foot in the North". I'd like to thank everybody who bought. You've all made my financial woes a little less woeful. And yr all Jandek fans so it's not as painful as I thought it would be selling them. The ones I absolutely couldn't part with were "You Walk Alone", "Blue Corpse", "Telegraph Melts" and "Modern Dances". --- NCR13@aol.com wrote: > Man, does everyone have them already or something? I > can't believe you didn't > sell them all in 10 minutes. > > "SIX AND SIX" $10 SOLD > > "LATER ON" $8 SOLD > > "CHAIR BESIDE A WINDOW" $12 SOLD > > "LIVING IN A MOON SO BLUE" $12 SOLD > > "STARING AT THE CELLOPHANE" $10 > > "INTERSTELLAR DISCUSSION" $10 SOLD > > "NINE-THIRTY" $10 SOLD > > "FOREIGN KEYS" $10 SOLD > > "FOLLOW YOUR FOOTSTEPS" $10 SOLD > > "ON THE WAY" $8 SOLD > > "THE LIVING END" $8 SOLD > > "SOMEBODY IN THE SNOW" $10 SOLD > > "ONE FOOT IN THE NORTH" $8 > > "LOST CAUSE" $12 SOLD > > "TWELFTH APOSTLE" $10 SOLD > > Also, I put up a super-nice copy of "The Rocks > Crumble" up on ebay... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=890297982 > > thanks > > > >> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8467 invoked by uid 1029); 4 Jul 2002 13:18:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 29443 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 07:16:50 -0000 Received: from f96.law12.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.19.96) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 07:16:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:29:22 -0700 Received: from 128.206.230.72 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 04:29:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.230.72] From: "Paul Frederick" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Jandek Documentary goes to Chicago, Houston... Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 23:29:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 04:29:22.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[5EF9B890:01C22313] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk
Dear all,

Much thanks to Eric, Cassie, Gary, Douglas, Nils, Amy, Angela, Nate, Phil, and Jimmy for making our NYC/Boston trip such a resounding success.

Many, many hours of amazing footage... a real treat to sift through.  I am constantly amazed at how well spoken, diverse, and positive Jandek fans are.

We are going to be in Chicago and Houston in the Next month... we have many interviews planned, but, as always, we will make every attempt to sit and talk with anyone who has anything to say about Jandek.
 
If you or your Jandek-initiated/Jandek-curious friends live in or near the cities of Chicago, St. Louis, Kansas City, or Houston, please let us know, we'd love to interview you.

We are still (barely) "on schedule," and anticipate distribution as early as December.  Membership to Seth's Jandek mailing list will get you first dibs on our first run, of course.

Warmest regards,

Paul Fehler

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Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21963 invoked by uid 1029); 4 Jul 2002 20:58:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 21915 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 20:57:25 -0000 Received: from f256.law8.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.240.131) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 20:57:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:56:59 -0700 Received: from 66.108.8.207 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 20:56:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.108.8.207] From: "Brian Madonick" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Contextualizing Music Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 16:56:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 20:56:59.0757 (UTC) FILETIME=[571421D0:01C2239D] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Paul Condon's comment "sitting around listening to it with other people...seems somehow inappropriate" got me to thinking about how unique Jandek's music is what I think about it. I totally agree with Condon's statement and sometimes when I am buying a CD, something really out there like Godspeed, You Black Emperor or Philip Glass' Einstein on the Beach, I wonder when exactly am I supposed to listen to this? So much "outsider" music begs the question and the only answer seems to be to listen to it alone, focused on the music, not eating dinner or reading or doing things around the house. That speaks well of the music, that it so singularly demands your undivided attention. The other thing that interests me about Jandek is that it really breaks every rule of what music should sound like or what music is. Imagine someone comes to in say, 1975 and says that the dominant form of popular music in the late 80's and 90's will not feature musicians, contain little in the way of melody (except perhaps a short riff repeated ad nauseam), will center around percussion certainly the rhthym section, will not (really) be performed live or contain improvisation, and will not contain singing per se, but will be danced to. I have just described rap/hip hop and trance/techno, both of which are amazing breakthroughs in music of which the former is rooted in soul, r&b, funk and disco (the latter - I dunno). Who would have believed it? Now imagine I tell you that a new form of music will emerge in the next decade that will contain elements of folk/blues but will be even more minimalist and intimate, eschew song structure of verse chorus verse and have no recognizable structure like 12 bar blues, contain improvised melodic fragments rather than a repeating melody but be somewhere between spoken word and flattened affect type folk music, but feature few instruments but largely primitivist, lacking traceable roots, lacking reference to any other genre or artist, anonymous, minimalist, atonal, songs without narrative structure, elliptical and obtuse lyrics. Blues without structure but more intimate less posturing. Folk without regionalism, politics, or tradition. Is Jandek the pioneer of a new movement that has yet to take hold? Or are there examples of his influence hiding in plain sight? Anyway that's my two cents. I really love Jandek's music for what it is, whatever it is. Brian Brian M. Madonick Brian_Madonick@hotmail.com Paul Condon's comment "sitting around listening to it with other people...seems somehow inappropriate" got me to thinking about what music is culturally and what we do with it. I totally agree with Condon's statement and sometimes when I am buying a CD, something really out there like Godspeed, You Black Emperor or Philip Glass' Einstein on the Beach, I wonder when exactly am I supposed to listen to this? So much "outsider" music begs that question and the only answer seems to be to listen to it alone, focused on the music, not eating dinner or reading or doing things around the house. That speaks well of the music, that it so singularly demands your undivided attention. The other thing that interests me about Jandek is that it really breaks every rule of what music should sound like or what music is. Imagine someone comes to in say, 1975 and says that the dominant form of popular music in the late 80's and 90's will not feature musicians, contain little in the way of melody (except perhaps a short riff repeated ad nauseam), will center around percussion, will not (really) be performed live or contain improvisation, and will not contain singing per se, but will be danced to. I have just described rap/hip hop and trance/techno, both of which are amazing breakthroughs in music which are rooted in soul, r&b, funk and disco. Who would have believed it? Now imagine I tell you that a new form of music will emerge in the next decade that will contain elements of folk/blues but will be even more minimalist and intimate, eschew song structure of verse chorus verse and have no recognizable structure like 12 bar blues, contain improvised melodic fragments rather than Brian M. Madonick Brian_Madonick@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 23888 invoked by uid 1029); 4 Jul 2002 21:33:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 23779 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 21:29:48 -0000 Received: from imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (195.92.195.181) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 21:29:48 -0000 Received: from modem-163.kowabunga.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.252.163] helo=pauls) by imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17QEAd-0007i3-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 22:29:47 +0100 Message-ID: <004101c223a1$fe754400$a3fc193e@pauls> From: "Paul" To: Subject: Reissue News Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:30:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C223AA.5EB79FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C223AA.5EB79FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How do all Just got the latest Corwood list & there's a note saying; "We expect 0751-0754 Before September this year" Paul ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C223AA.5EB79FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How do all
 
Just got the latest Corwood list & = there's a=20 note saying;
"We expect 0751-0754 Before September = this=20 year"
 
Paul
------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C223AA.5EB79FE0-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11427 invoked by uid 1029); 8 Jul 2002 04:10:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 1296 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 21:58:09 -0000 Received: from f171.pav1.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.171) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 21:58:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:25:40 -0700 Received: from 213.105.181.240 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 21:25:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.105.181.240] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: You've got a lot of fancy tunings Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 21:25:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 21:25:40.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8041E10:01C225FC] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk CLANNNGGGG!!! Here's my attempt at the tunings from the first 6 1/2 albums. Since they're all microtonal I've listed the standard notes closest to the actual microtonal notes used, so you can tune to those and fine-tune by ear. Underneath each string, I've indicated whether you should prepare to tune sharp (#) or flat (b) or leave it the same (-) when fine-tuning. All of the tunings are listed from 6th string to 1st (ie EADGBE in standard tuning). In some cases I've mentioned which songs are easiest to tune to by ear, ie ones where all the open strings are played individually. I hope this is easy to follow, you know how it is... READY FOR THE HOUSE E A E A E E b - b # b # NB: since the B string is tuned nearly all the way up to a high E, I'd suggest replacing that string with another high E string (I discovered this the hard way). "They Told Me About You" is a good one to fine-tune to - there are 2 distinct near-riffs: the first is played on the 3 high strings, the second on the bass strings. This tuning works for all the tracks except "European Jewel", which like all the early electric songs, seems to be played in standard tuning, though sliightly tweaked out of tune, or maybe the guitar neck is slightly warped or something. Then again, Jandek's constant use of microtones would suggest that the tuning is deliberate. He seems to be playing barre chords in the song, but due to the weird tuning, I can't work out if they're E shapes or A's or what... but for the riff, just follow the dots! SIX AND SIX Basically the same as above, though slightly lower overall. This could be down to a slight variation in tape speed between the 2 albums - who knows? "You're the Best One", Can I See Your Clock", & "Forgive Me" are all pretty easy to fine-tune to. LATER ON / CHAIR BESIDE A WINDOW G# A# D# A# D# E b b b b b b A bit trickier to tune to the records, as Jandek starts playing chords (well, chord) on these albums. I started off with "Nancy Sings", though I don't think he plays all 6 strings in that, but if you flick through the rest of either album, you'll get it pretty soon. Again, this tuning doesn't apply to the electric songs, "European Jewel" and "No Break". LIVING IN A MOON SO BLUE / STARING AT THE CELLOPHANE F A# D# G# C F b b b b - # Again, more strumming than picking on these, but flick around and it should all come together. I'm pretty sure the first 6 tracks on YOUR TURN TO FALL feature the same tuning - I'll double-check and confirm this in part 2... coming soon... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4558 invoked by uid 1029); 8 Jul 2002 14:13:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 19711 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 07:48:59 -0000 Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.101) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 07:48:59 -0000 Received: from AKelly1971@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id i.6c.1ec9aaa1 (3874); Mon, 8 Jul 2002 03:48:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AKelly1971@aol.com Message-ID: <6c.1ec9aaa1.2a5a9dc5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 03:48:21 EDT Subject: Re: You've got a lot of fancy tunings To: paulgcondon@hotmail.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Are a lot of people interested in playing or replicating Jandek's music themselves? That's pretty darn cool. Amy Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 17970 invoked by uid 1029); 10 Jul 2002 12:14:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 6043 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 06:34:12 -0000 Received: from ns.inch.com (HELO arutam.inch.com) (216.223.192.21) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 06:34:12 -0000 Received: from inch.com (inch.com [216.223.192.20]) by arutam.inch.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/UTIL-INCH-3.0.6) with ESMTP id g6A6YBCj020197 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:34:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "R. Lim" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: wrap it up In-Reply-To: <200206211104.AA3135701164@bls.boston.k12.ma.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Warren, Andrew wrote: > and the book idea is good too - i wonder what "Jandek" thinks... > perhaps that we are all "Jan-dorks"???? I think the list now has a t-shirt concept, should someone want to pick up the ball and run with it... -rob -- Janitor From Mars playlists @ http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/LI Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 18968 invoked by uid 1029); 10 Jul 2002 12:28:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 18921 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 12:27:30 -0000 Received: from f147.law8.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.147) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 12:27:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:27:04 -0700 Received: from 63.79.204.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:27:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.79.204.2] From: "Bob Nowhere" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: wrap it up Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:27:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_5aa2_7b8d_3964" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 12:27:04.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[193EB0E0:01C2280D] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_5aa2_7b8d_3964 Content-Type: text/html
 
Something like this? 
 
 
On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Warren, Andrew wrote:

> and the book idea is good too - i wonder what "Jandek" thinks...
> perhaps that we are all "Jan-dorks"????

>I think the list now has a t-shirt concept, should someone want to pick up
>the ball and run with it...

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-0000 Received: from cs6668119-101.austin.rr.com ([66.68.119.101] helo=exitproductions) by lion.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17SHtG-000Js3-00; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:52:22 -0400 From: "ben" To: "'R. Lim'" , Subject: RE: wrap it up Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:49:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c22818$aec530c0$65774442@exitproductions> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I always thought it'd be funny to have a shirt made that was in the vein of those 'I'm with stupid' shirts - 'I'm with Jandek'... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > [mailto:owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu] On Behalf Of R. Lim > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 1:34 AM > To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > Subject: Re: wrap it up > > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Warren, Andrew wrote: > > > and the book idea is good too - i wonder what "Jandek" thinks... > > perhaps that we are all "Jan-dorks"???? > > I think the list now has a t-shirt concept, should someone > want to pick up the ball and run with it... > > -rob > > > -- > Janitor From Mars playlists @ http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/LI > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 666 invoked by uid 1029); 11 Jul 2002 05:21:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 595 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 05:20:33 -0000 Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.106) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 05:20:33 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id l.50.e277e97 (4240) for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:20:05 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <50.e277e97.2a5e6f84@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:20:04 EDT Subject: Re: wrap it up To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I always wanted to do "THIS IS NOT A JANDEK T-SHIRT" a la Fugazi......but I'm too lazy. In a message dated 7/10/02 10:24:29 AM, exit@exitproductions.com writes: << I always thought it'd be funny to have a shirt made that was in the vein of those 'I'm with stupid' shirts - 'I'm with Jandek'... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > [mailto:owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu] On Behalf Of R. Lim > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 1:34 AM > To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > Subject: Re: wrap it up > > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Warren, Andrew wrote: > > > and the book idea is good too - i wonder what "Jandek" thinks... > > perhaps that we are all "Jan-dorks"???? > > I think the list now has a t-shirt concept, should someone > want to pick up the ball and run with it... > > -rob > > > -- > Janitor From Mars playlists @ http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/LI > >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 18074 invoked by uid 1029); 11 Jul 2002 13:56:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 13275 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 11:06:41 -0000 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.36) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 11:06:41 -0000 Received: from AKelly1971@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id l.163.107fa183 (25917); Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:06:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AKelly1971@aol.com Message-ID: <163.107fa183.2a5ec0a1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:06:09 EDT Subject: Re: wrap it up To: NCR13@aol.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/11/02 1:21:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, NCR13@aol.com writes: > I always wanted to do "THIS IS NOT A JANDEK T-SHIRT" a la Fugazi......but I'm > too lazy. Ha ha ha!!! "I AM NOT JANDEK" might also be funny for a shirt or a button or sticker. I wonder if Corwood would object to someone making a shirt with the Six and Six cover on the front. Amy Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 20067 invoked by uid 1029); 11 Jul 2002 14:29:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 19910 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 14:26:42 -0000 Received: from cha?inet?1.thecha.org (207.79.176.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 14:26:42 -0000 Received: by cha_inet_1.thecha.org with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3RMA9HGY>; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:27:58 -0500 Message-ID: <501208D84965D211A3CF00805FEA1826E0AB18@CHA_LEGAL> From: "Epke, Larry" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: FW: wrap it up Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:19:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Well, if Corwood objected, someone would have to sue or at least contact the shirt's producer. I say, do it and see what happens. Larry Epke Lepke@thecha.org "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security." - T. Jefferson -----Original Message----- From: AKelly1971@aol.com [SMTP:AKelly1971@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:06 AM To: NCR13@aol.com; jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: wrap it up In a message dated 7/11/02 1:21:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, NCR13@aol.com writes: > I always wanted to do "THIS IS NOT A JANDEK T-SHIRT" a la Fugazi......but I'm > too lazy. Ha ha ha!!! "I AM NOT JANDEK" might also be funny for a shirt or a button or sticker. I wonder if Corwood would object to someone making a shirt with the Six and Six cover on the front. Amy Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 7013 invoked by uid 1029); 11 Jul 2002 20:21:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 6912 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 20:19:03 -0000 Received: from f172.law12.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.19.172) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 20:19:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:18:36 -0700 Received: from 12.216.228.85 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:18:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.216.228.85] From: "Paul Frederick" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: t-shirt ideas... Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:18:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 20:18:36.0477 (UTC) FILETIME=[231BBED0:01C22918] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk
I always thought that "What Would Jandek Do" would make an interesting t-shirt...
 
 
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Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2328 invoked by uid 1029); 12 Jul 2002 22:13:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 709 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 21:43:28 -0000 Received: from f188.pav1.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.188) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 21:43:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:43:01 -0700 Received: from 213.105.181.240 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:43:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.105.181.240] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Corwood merchandise avalanche Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:43:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 21:43:01.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[18BCCE90:01C229ED] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >I wonder if Corwood would object to someone making a shirt with the >Six and Six cover on the front. I've been toying with the idea of getting a Rocks Crumble shirt done. Volumes could be written about that 6&6 cover - so here goes - nah, but that was the first picture of the guy I saw, in the short version of Chusid's article in Mojo, and I got it into my head that it was the only known photo of him, a la Charley Patton. As you can imagine I was somewhat taken aback upon seeing the website. What an iconic rock'n'roll image - I reckon it should replace a few Sid Vicious posters on bedsit walls. I've never seen thst particular combination of youthful swagger and slight bewilderment elsewhere. Also reminded me slightly of Half Man Half Biscuit's "Back in the DHSS" cover, if anyone's seen that... You never know, maybe Corwood will go merchandise crazy one of these days and offer runs of 1000 t-shirts/posters/mouse-pads/coffee mugs/Blue Corpse action figures etc. for a couple of grand. Oh no, wait a minute, I'm thinking of that other, parallel universe, where the Shaggs are bigger than the Beatles, and Bono is a recluse. My vote for cheesy slogan: "I sent $3000 to po box 15375 and all I got was this lousy t-shirt". _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 7389 invoked by uid 1029); 13 Jul 2002 00:26:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 4617 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 23:04:18 -0000 Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.103) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 23:04:18 -0000 Received: from AKelly1971@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id i.14b.10b976a8 (3850); Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:03:19 -0400 (EDT) From: AKelly1971@aol.com Message-ID: <14b.10b976a8.2a60ba37@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:03:19 EDT Subject: Re: Corwood merchandise avalanche To: paulgcondon@hotmail.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This only strengthens my resolve. I am going to write to Corwood and respectfully request permission to silkscreen a few shirts with the Six and Six cover on the front. If I get permission, I'll gladly send shirts to anyone who wants one at cost. Let me know if you're interested, folks. Amy Kelly PO Box 357 Lindenhurst, NY 11757-0357 USA Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 17361 invoked by uid 1029); 19 Jul 2002 02:22:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 17285 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 02:20:35 -0000 Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (207.217.120.232) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 02:20:35 -0000 Received: from dialup-65.56.179.125.dial1.sanantonio1.level3.net ([65.56.179.125]) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17VNNc-0006l6-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:20:29 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:03:09 +0800 Subject: corwood From: Lisa Mims To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Per the idea that jandek's real last name is "corwood"....if one were to, say, go into switchboard.com and put in that name, nothing comes up....meaning NO ONE in the entire United States has that last name--and it's a type of flooring. Furthermore, another website randomly mentions that a cholesterol related website comes up in searches for Sterling Smith...so, if you eat at Dave and Buster's, you'll get high cholesterol? wink wink nudge nudge In addition, there was a Texas Monthly Article about Jandek, in which the reporter stated that she found him in Houston, and yet, she promised not to say where it was that he lived. Is it not possible, then, that she lied to keep that particular promise? Also, Texans either take the cattle car/dba Southwest Airlines or drive like we have all the oil in the world; and sterling or whatever-his-name-is might be using a re-mailer so he never has to pick up the mail from that address. And finally, if the receptionist acted oddly when the caller asked for 'Sterling', perhaps that's because he doesn't go by 'Sterling'. Texas men tend to be gifted with these horrible Steel Magnolia type family names, which they then never use; I know a 'Percy Edgar' who rather mercifully goes by 'Bud'. If he's really a hotshot VP of a company, he probably gets phone calls all the time, so why would it be odd that he'd get one, unless he doesn't go by that name? Why not call that number and ask for 'Scott'? That is of course a purely rhetorical question, stalking and using instrumentalities of interstate commerce, like phone lines, to perpetuate felonies like stalking and harassment are federal crimes with aggregate penalties, etc. etc., and this is NOT intended as a solicitation of that particular act. Don't tell your momma you need a lawyer just 'cause I said that. umm....and just a final thought? I kept getting flashes of my uncle's house in Richardson, which is a godawful suburb of Dallas. Perhaps it's better to let the mystique rest. lisa Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11247 invoked by uid 1029); 19 Jul 2002 15:28:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 8061 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 13:49:00 -0000 Received: from waste.org (209.173.204.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 13:49:00 -0000 Received: from waste.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by waste.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g6JDmwpQ003674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:48:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (crash@localhost) by waste.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g6JDmriF003665; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:48:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:48:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Madson To: Lisa Mims cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: corwood In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Which makes me think: Do you REALLY want to know the truth? In some ways it would blow the mystique. What if it's just a guy who holds down a corporate job who has creative sensibilities? I know a lot of guys like this, he just happens to market it to the public better than a lot of others and uses the mystique a lot more than anyone I know. I think he's driven and motivated to produce a lot of product and also to put it out there for people to listen to. But I think he also realizes the commercial potential isn't as high as some other stuff and so he has this mysterious persona. Which can be very compelling. It's hard to hold a corporate day gig and market your music. I know because I try and do this. You don't have time to gig, much less just about anything else. And some of us have families making it all the harder to write, record, mix, perform - anything. So I tip my hat to Jandek/Corwood because at least he's living the dream and getting some notoriety on his vision. Years ago there was a rock band called BLANKET OF SECRECY that was supposed to be several very famous people who put out a recording called EARS HAVE WALLS. But, given that all of the artists on the disc were on different labels the necessary clearances were not realistically obtainable so they released it anonymously to prevent their record labels from having a conniption fit. To my knowledge, nobody ever really found out who this was and how it got released or who was really behind it. Might be worth looking into. -t On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Lisa Mims wrote: > Per the idea that jandek's real last name is "corwood"....if one were to, > say, go into switchboard.com and put in that name, nothing comes > up....meaning NO ONE in the entire United States has that last name--and > it's a type of flooring. > > Furthermore, another website randomly mentions that a cholesterol related > website comes up in searches for Sterling Smith...so, if you eat at Dave and > Buster's, you'll get high cholesterol? wink wink nudge nudge > > In addition, there was a Texas Monthly Article about Jandek, in which the > reporter stated that she found him in Houston, and yet, she promised not to > say where it was that he lived. Is it not possible, then, that she lied to > keep that particular promise? > > Also, Texans either take the cattle car/dba Southwest Airlines or drive like > we have all the oil in the world; and sterling or whatever-his-name-is > might be using a re-mailer so he never has to pick up the mail from that > address. > > And finally, if the receptionist acted oddly when the caller asked for > 'Sterling', perhaps that's because he doesn't go by 'Sterling'. Texas men > tend to be gifted with these horrible Steel Magnolia type family names, > which they then never use; I know a 'Percy Edgar' who rather mercifully > goes by 'Bud'. > > If he's really a hotshot VP of a company, he probably gets phone calls all > the time, so why would it be odd that he'd get one, unless he doesn't go by > that name? > > Why not call that number and ask for 'Scott'? > That is of course a purely rhetorical question, stalking and using > instrumentalities of interstate commerce, like phone lines, to perpetuate > felonies like stalking and harassment are federal crimes with aggregate > penalties, etc. etc., and this is NOT intended as a solicitation of that > particular act. Don't tell your momma you need a lawyer just 'cause I said > that. > > > umm....and just a final thought? I kept getting flashes of my uncle's house > in Richardson, which is a godawful suburb of Dallas. > > Perhaps it's better to let the mystique rest. > > > lisa > -- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16569 invoked by uid 1029); 19 Jul 2002 17:31:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 16513 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 17:30:25 -0000 Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (207.217.120.232) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 17:30:25 -0000 Received: from dialup-65.56.179.125.dial1.sanantonio1.level3.net ([65.56.179.125]) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Vba6-0002du-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:30:18 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:12:56 +0800 Subject: whether we'd want to know..... From: Lisa Mims To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk As to whether or not I'd really want to know about Jandek? I think, (I think) I know enough. He works more as a parable for the emptiness of growing up, or living in a place like the suburbs of Dallas. Do you realize that Plano, which is a wealthy suburb of Dallas, has the highest rate of heroin-related deaths among teenagers? There is something about the unbelievable pain of the emptiness of suburbia, particularly in Texas, where there is very little social interaction around anything other than church, unless you're in Austin or Houston. Say, if you will, that you're someone with somewhat alternative tastes and deeply felt emotions, but you've got a capable, normal facade, and enough depth and intuition that you function quite well, say, in the corporate world....not because you conform, but because you can read what they want, so well. would anyone ever really know you? and would you not, at times, even forget who you were, unaware of the fact that you constantly exist through some sort of hearsay? (out of court statement offered for the truth of the matter offered...only now, it's almost like an out-of-body statement. "No, it wasn't me that thought that or said that, or felt that.") Note the Texas Monthly reporter's use of the third person when talking about Jandek to the person who arguably IS Jandek. "Jandek has nothing to do with me." he kept saying. It's not me. It's not me. Lisa Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 17725 invoked by uid 1029); 19 Jul 2002 17:49:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 17634 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 17:48:21 -0000 Received: from waste.org (209.173.204.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 17:48:21 -0000 Received: from waste.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by waste.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g6JHmKpQ013858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:48:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (crash@localhost) by waste.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g6JHmKMn013854; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:48:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:48:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Madson To: Lisa Mims cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: whether we'd want to know..... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Sat, 20 Jul 2002, Lisa Mims wrote: > > > As to whether or not I'd really want to know about Jandek? > > I think, (I think) I know enough. He works more as a parable for the > emptiness of growing up, or living in a place like the suburbs of Dallas. > Do you realize that Plano, which is a wealthy suburb of Dallas, has the > highest rate of heroin-related deaths among teenagers? > Right. My friend graduated from the University of Minnesota with a degree in computer programming and got a job offer almost immediately from a large firm in Plano. He had numerous tales about the place in the four and a half years he spent there and some of it was hard to believe. He talked a lot about a certain area that was lots of expensive homes, strip malls (that all looked identical), and row upon row of apartment houses that were also identical. He had to leave it was so bad. He was never able to establish any friendships there really because it was so insular and strange to him. And in bicyclist Lance Armstrong's biography "It's not about the bike" you hear firsthand the frustration of growing up in Plano as a child of divorce. Could Jandek relate? Probably. > There is something about the unbelievable pain of the emptiness of suburbia, > particularly in Texas, where there is very little social interaction around > anything other than church, unless you're in Austin or Houston. > Interesting to say the least. > Say, if you will, that you're someone with somewhat alternative tastes and > deeply felt emotions, but you've got a capable, normal facade, and enough > depth and intuition that you function quite well, say, in the corporate > world....not because you conform, but because you can read what they want, > so well. > Many musicians will take a day job so that, in their musical creations they can do EXACTLY what they want without fear of reprisal from other musicians, audiences, etc. It's a purer vision with no worry of taint or corruption from audience demands or media bias. > would anyone ever really know you? and would you not, at times, even forget > who you were, unaware of the fact that you constantly exist through some > sort of hearsay? (out of court statement offered for the truth of the > matter offered...only now, it's almost like an out-of-body statement. "No, > it wasn't me that thought that or said that, or felt that.") > This is an interesting subject in the extreme. Prior to me ever hearing about Jandek I created about five eighty minute compact discs of original music that didn't fit with a band I was in. It was true solo stuff and definetely not commercial. A telling thing is, I didn't use my own name on the discs - just the project name I used for it. This did two things: it developed a life of its own and it also gave me some shielding from the harsh glare of public perception. I felt freer to really do something different rather than conforming to pre-established musical norms. In fact, I could even be a "different me" than previously illustrated, more true to what I'm really like and then not hear "he's lost it" since there were no pre-existing conceptions about what it was supposed to sound like. And since there was no-one to attribute it to except an ambigous project name it was mysterious and odd....and compelling. I suspect that the whole Jandek concept is both liberating and also a sort of prison. He can always do whatever he likes to do, but the anonymity and concept that you're broadcasting this information over vast continental areas yet getting nothing but occasional correspondence from those who want catalogs might serve to give you a narrow view of those you're broadcasting that information to. And that's not all bad. > Note the Texas Monthly reporter's use of the third person when talking about > Jandek to the person who arguably IS Jandek. "Jandek has nothing to do with > me." he kept saying. > > It's not me. It's not me. > Almost like an alter. Split personality. -t > > Lisa > -- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24693 invoked by uid 1029); 19 Jul 2002 20:20:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 24560 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 20:18:36 -0000 Received: from web13205.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.174.190) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 20:18:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20020719201835.88731.qmail@web13205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.106.94.156] by web13205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:18:35 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:18:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Brooker Subject: Re: whether we'd want to know..... To: JANDEK@CS.NORTHWESTERN.EDU In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk "This did two things: it developed a life of its own and it also gave me some shielding from the harsh glare of public perception. I felt freer to really do something different rather than conforming to pre-established musical norms." I thought this concept was adapted very well in The Residents "Not Available"... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29166 invoked by uid 1029); 19 Jul 2002 21:56:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 29136 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 21:56:16 -0000 Received: from f110.pav1.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.110) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 21:56:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:55:48 -0700 Received: from 213.190.147.241 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:55:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.190.147.241] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: ebony & ivory Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:55:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2002 21:55:48.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[0AD37220:01C22F6F] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Scenario: Jandek decides to utilise the piano in his next records, but wants to detune it in accordance with his priciples of Pentatonic Refractive Dissonance. He hires a piano tuner who after a hot Texas afternoon of attempting to work to his client's specifications, shakes his head and leaves, after being paid in full (with a tip) by Jandek. The musician decides to undertake the job himself, reads up on piano tuning, and purchases the appropriate tools. He quickly realises that the task is more difficult than he initially imagined. In the meantime he decides to record some acapella pieces, which are patially fuelled by his frustration from grappling with the piano. Finally, in the summer of 2002, the job is not only completed to his satisfaction, but he has familiarised himself with some of the exciting possibilities of his new instrument. Yay! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27190 invoked by uid 1029); 20 Jul 2002 14:40:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 6023 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 02:52:52 -0000 Received: from relay.softcomca.com (HELO relay3.softcomca.com) (168.144.1.70) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 02:52:52 -0000 Received: from M2W096.mail2web.com ([168.144.108.96]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:52:49 -0400 Message-ID: <293580-22002762025249833@M2W096.mail2web.com> X-EM-Version: 6, 0, 0, 3 X-EM-Registration: #00E0641810D91B008120 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: lisamims@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 65.56.179.245 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "lisamims@earthlink.net" To: crash@waste.org Cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: whether we'd want to know..... Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:52:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2002 02:52:49.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[88EAF830:01C22F98] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Right=2E My friend graduated from the University of Minnesota with a degree in computer programming and got a job offer almost immediately from a large firm in Plano=2E He had numerous tales about the place in the four and a half years he spent there and some of it was hard to believe=2E He talked a lot about a certain area that was lots of expensive homes, strip malls (that all looked identical), and row upon row of apartment houses that were also identical=2E He had to leave it was so bad=2E He was never able to establish any friendships there really because it was so insular and strange to him=2E _____ and it's still that insular and strange=2E They say Hell is in West Texas= =2E=20 I=20 say it's in Plano=2E =20 __________ and here, somewhere in deep South Texas, I was a legal software developer my=20 first couple of years out of law school=2E I hated my job; I hated my=20 coworkers; and most of all I hated my social life=2E I didn't have any wa= y to=20 meet people, and more crucially, I didn't have the time because of the job= =2E ___________ And in bicyclist Lance Armstrong's biography "It's not about the bike" you hear firsthand the frustration of growing up in Plano as a child of divorce=2E Could Jandek relate? Probably=2E ______ as can anyone who lives in their car, their office, and maybe the house=2E= =2E=2E=2E=2E ___________ Many musicians will take a day job so that, in their musical creations they can do EXACTLY what they want without fear of reprisal from other musicians, audiences, etc=2E It's a purer vision with no worry of taint or corruption from audience demands or media bias=2E _________ True=2E Being a session musician doesn't exactly allow a certain amount o= f=20 creative freedom=2E LOL! _________________ > would anyone ever really know you?=20 In fact, I could even be a "different me" than previously illustrated, more true to what I'm really like and then not hear "he's lost it" since there were no pre-existing conceptions about what it was supposed to sound like=2E And since there was no-one to attribute it to except an ambigous project name it was mysterious and odd=2E=2E=2E=2Eand compelling=2E= +++++++++ I would argue that after awhile, you don't even know who you are=2E You=20= change-- for the job, the significant other, and all those social people you=20 hope are your friends=2E _____________ I suspect that the whole Jandek concept is both liberating and also a sort of prison=2E=20 ________ Liberating because he's able to change that concept of himself to other=20= people as he wishes, and a prison because he cannot ever leave without=20 destroying the cage? Can you imagine him outing himself? Would he ever be able to go back once= =20 he'd walked into the world? _______________ He can always do whatever he likes to do, but the anonymity and concept that you're broadcasting this information over vast continental areas yet getting nothing but occasional correspondence from those who want catalogs might serve to give you a narrow view of those you're broadcasting that information to=2E And that's not all bad=2E= ------- But is it good? He's still this guy in Plano, singing into a mike by=20 himself, while the adoration of a planet quietly sweeps over like some kin= d=20 of errant wave=2E To forever go unnoticed and unknown, is that really what we're all about??= ? ------- or maybe he knows=2E Maybe he reads your list and other lists and is=20 delighted that people all over the world talk about him=2E He's the ultim= ate=20 Freudian blank slate=2E People project upon him whatever *they* are, thus= =20 revealing *themselves*=2E _______ almost like an alter _______ Not an alter, just a construct, one less safe and less ordinary than that=20= which he usually presents=2E Jandek, too, might be a mask--or hadn't that= =20 occurred to you? ))))))))))))))))) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1334 invoked by uid 1029); 20 Jul 2002 18:16:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 1272 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 18:14:52 -0000 Received: from web10801.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.130.243) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 18:14:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20020720181452.24131.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.184.211.135] by web10801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:14:52 PDT Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:14:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Danen Subject: Re: ebony & ivory To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Paul Condon wrote: > Finally, in the summer of > 2002, the job is not > only completed to his satisfaction, but he has > familiarised himself with > some of the exciting possibilities of his new > instrument. Yay! And then: you woke up. :) Personally, i look for a new album entirely composed of off-rhythm handclaps. Or, maybe it'll be another acappella affair, though I get a weird feeling it won't be, which means probably it will...oh well. Danen > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10209 invoked by uid 1029); 21 Jul 2002 15:05:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 10146 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 15:04:41 -0000 Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.104) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 15:04:41 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id l.17c.b571858 (4413) for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:04:35 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <17c.b571858.2a6c2782@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:04:34 EDT Subject: Re: ebony & ivory To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk How about all drum solos, or all harmonica? In a message dated 7/20/02 2:16:39 PM, disappearingink@yahoo.com writes: << And then: you woke up. :) Personally, i look for a new album entirely composed of off-rhythm handclaps. Or, maybe it'll be another acappella affair, though I get a weird feeling it won't be, which means probably it will...oh well. Danen >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16332 invoked by uid 1029); 21 Jul 2002 18:17:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 16227 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 18:15:31 -0000 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (207.217.120.49) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 18:15:31 -0000 Received: from dialup-64.154.237.63.dial1.sanantonio1.level3.net ([64.154.237.63]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17WLEw-0005fX-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:15:31 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:58:09 +0800 Subject: whoops... From: Lisa Mims To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Actually, Corwood is a real name, just not in the U.S., unless every person with that last name in the U.S. has declined either a) phone service or b) a listed number. Corwood is in Devonshire. It's also a surname. I found a school listing for a math student in G.B. with that last name. I'll write more later, if I figure out that it's at all signifcant. BTW...check out Robert Everett Smith under prominent Houstonians, then compare the nose. What do you think? Lisa P.S. Yes, this is highly amusing. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16898 invoked by uid 1029); 21 Jul 2002 18:22:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 16839 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 18:21:53 -0000 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (207.217.120.49) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 18:21:53 -0000 Received: from dialup-64.154.237.63.dial1.sanantonio1.level3.net ([64.154.237.63]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17WLL6-0003tH-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:21:53 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:04:31 +0800 Subject: wrong again... From: Lisa Mims To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Nope, Corwood isn't real. What I found was a misspelling of "Cornwood" in Devonshire. Jandek, however, is real. And all the Jandek's in the U.S. seem to be in Illinois. There are precisely six. One of them is named, you guessed it, "Nancy". I will give Sterling or Scott or whatever his name is one thing....he managed to find names that don't belong to anyone else. Let's say I'm betting that was intentional. Also, I have a little bit of an argument with the supposed age of Jandek on some of the cd covers? Redheads don't age as fast if their parents keep them out of the sun. Speaking as one, I'd have to say that I and most of the redheads I know look at least five to ten years younger than they actually are.....which means some of those photographs might even have been taken when he had started recording...particularly the cover where he's standing in front of the house number. That HAD to have been intentional. Lisa Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29558 invoked by uid 1029); 22 Jul 2002 14:16:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 2670 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 04:14:02 -0000 Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.106) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 04:14:02 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id l.119.14cde4e3 (4331) for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:13:33 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <119.14cde4e3.2a6ce06d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:13:33 EDT Subject: Re: wrong again... To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Yeah, I've passed along the LP covers to a friend in the FBI...He's made some preliminary composites of Jandek as a 12-year old (in a little league uniform, no less!). Really amazing what you can do with computers these days, but not cheap--so far it's cost me over $27,000. Hopefully the residuals from the Jandek film will offset that. In a message dated 7/21/02 2:23:15 PM, lisamariemims@earthlink.net writes: << Also, I have a little bit of an argument with the supposed age of Jandek on some of the cd covers? Redheads don't age as fast if their parents keep them out of the sun. Speaking as one, I'd have to say that I and most of the redheads I know look at least five to ten years younger than they actually are.....which means some of those photographs might even have been taken when he had started recording...particularly the cover where he's standing in front of the house number. That HAD to have been intentional. >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10185 invoked by uid 1029); 22 Jul 2002 18:47:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 10050 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 18:45:39 -0000 Received: from web14809.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.230) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 18:45:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20020722184538.35621.qmail@web14809.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.157.163.232] by web14809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:45:38 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:45:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Latest talks To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <119.14cde4e3.2a6ce06d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Quite interesting topics, all. first of all, Corwood is a respelling of Norwood, which is obviously this dude's name: Sterling Norwood. He changed it to Smith because smith is very common. He wants to sink in with the crowd. About Texas being a social vaccum... interesting. That's all i have to say there. I tried playing some of Paul Condon's tunings of the piano, and before i knew it, i was rockin' out to "Cave in on you" and "naked in the afternoon" I felt like jandek! I am now in the process of writing a "imagined biography" of the J man with the working title "Put my Dream on this Record." It tells the tale of his childhood, teen years, and up to the release of "the beginning" In it, i gather together all the "bricks" of knowledge we have about him and use my own made up "mortar" to make a wall. I explain the origins of the record's names( Blue corpse comes from his grandfather's funeral.) The numbering ("I thought it would be unique to start at a number other than one"). Much of the story is the other side of firsthand accounts, particuarly those with irwin chusid, and also katy vine. One scene deals with our man getting his first guitar for his sixteeth birthday: "My mother was beaming as my father went down to the hall closet. She wasn't smiling, she was beaming.'you're going to love this, Ster.' she said happily. She had that look people get when they're about to give someone a gift they're really proud of. I couldn't help but be skeptical. Unless this was a car, I wouldn't be jumping for joy. My father returned carrying an oblong black case with silver latches. It had a rediculous red bow on it, and a tag: 'to Sterling, Happy Birthday love mom and dad.' 'oh,' i said, mocking ethusiasm 'a black box! I've always wanted one of these!' 'yeah, very funny' said my father. 'It's inside the case.' following his lead, i turned up the latches pulled it open. It was an electric guitar. Great. I could play the guitar. What the hell was I going to do with this?" gimme some feedback on it, and whether i'm balspheming. i was just caught up in the story and thought of what a great book it would make. or maybe not. D.M. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2141 invoked by uid 1029); 23 Jul 2002 19:26:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 2109 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 19:26:17 -0000 Received: from f192.pav1.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.192) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 19:26:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:25:49 -0700 Received: from 213.190.147.241 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:25:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.190.147.241] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Surely not... Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:25:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2002 19:25:49.0805 (UTC) FILETIME=[C094F1D0:01C2327E] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >I tried playing some of Paul Condon's >tunings of the piano, Huh? I presume this is a typo, otherwise someone's reading their mail too quickly... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15369 invoked by uid 1029); 24 Jul 2002 15:04:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 14931 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 14:58:44 -0000 Received: from f105.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.105) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 14:58:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:58:19 -0700 Received: from 209.91.129.161 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:58:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.129.161] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: I Wonder Why (Not) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:58:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2002 14:58:19.0120 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C0A8700:01C23322] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hey all: In Chusid's book he submits letters that Janek/SS sent him over the years, right? And when Janky speaks of the other performers such as Nancy, Chusids places a "[last name whithheld]" or whatever right after it. So, I'm asking, since Jandek wrote "where" these people were from and also gave Chusid there last names (and sometimes even their job descriptions) why the hell didn't Chusid call these people up for an interview? Huh? You would think that could lead to some extremely intersting stuff... I wonder why or why not... And, who uses an internet chat room as a legitimate source? Fly Away, Max my ass..... I bet you that guy was just shitting Chusid. Ah, people.... DM. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 20505 invoked by uid 1029); 24 Jul 2002 16:34:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 20320 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 16:32:40 -0000 Received: from waste.org (209.173.204.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 16:32:40 -0000 Received: from waste.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by waste.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g6OGWdpQ011926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:32:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (crash@localhost) by waste.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g6OGWduP011921; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:32:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:32:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Madson To: Darin Mitchell cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: I Wonder Why (Not) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Wait a second. Am I reading this correctly? Jandek / Corwood wrote Chusid and gave him insider info on what the deal is? That seems like it would be out of character for him, wouldn't it? On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Darin Mitchell wrote: > Hey all: > > In Chusid's book he submits letters that Janek/SS sent him over the years, > right? And when Janky speaks of the other performers such as Nancy, Chusids > places a "[last name whithheld]" or whatever right after it. So, I'm asking, > since Jandek wrote "where" these people were from and also gave Chusid there > last names (and sometimes even their job descriptions) why the hell didn't > Chusid call these people up for an interview? Huh? You would think that > could lead to some extremely intersting stuff... I wonder why or why not... > > And, who uses an internet chat room as a legitimate source? Fly Away, Max my > ass..... > > I bet you that guy was just shitting Chusid. > > Ah, people.... > > DM. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > -- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21454 invoked by uid 1029); 24 Jul 2002 16:47:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 21394 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 16:46:50 -0000 Received: from web10010.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.128.121) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 16:46:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020724164649.86453.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [148.85.247.38] by web10010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:46:49 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:46:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Grabigel Subject: Re: I Wonder Why (Not) To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk It sounds to me like Chusid put the "last name withheld" line in himself for the enigmatic effect. Makes it much more "mysterious" than just plain old Nancy. --- Todd Madson wrote: > > Wait a second. Am I reading this correctly? Jandek / > Corwood wrote > Chusid and gave him insider info on what the deal is? > That seems like > it would be out of character for him, wouldn't it? ===== Be seeing you, Bry brg30@yahoo.com "I'm only in it for the beer." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29777 invoked by uid 1029); 24 Jul 2002 19:31:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 29702 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 19:30:11 -0000 Received: from web10807.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.130.249) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 19:30:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20020724193008.78751.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.184.13.132] by web10807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:30:08 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:30:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Danen Subject: Re: I Wonder Why (Not) To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20020724164649.86453.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Okay, I myself can sometimes relate to the desire to blast Chusid, but wait a minute. Those who've read the articJandek chapter (and you can find a version of it on the net, I think on Seth's site???) realize that Jandek/Sterling wrote Chusid AFTER THE FIRST ALBUM when Chusid was one of the few people who'd even heard of him, and Jandek had sold all of two copies. In fact, Chusid may be single handedly most responsible for keeping the guy in business, as the article will attest. I agree that the "journalistic" style can be annoying, and some of Chusid's descriptions seem a bit much (it's really NOT that AWFUL, Irwin) but think of this, too...why would Chusid want to "expose" Jandek and "crack" the story, when he seems so devoted to letting outsiders be who they are? I don't think he wanted to disturb the mystique, much less people's privacy. Wherever Nancy is, I'm sure she's not into blowing Jandek's cover, or she would have by now. Maybe Chusid could have gotten her to crack, but that would have been a betrayal of Jandek/Sterling/Corwood's trust. Musing on this stuff is fun, but I maintain that there is a difference between taking stabs at who the guy is, and barging into people's privacy. I think the albums tell you enough. I also think the Chusid article tells me as much outside of the music as anybody really needs. But that's my fifteen cents... Danen --- Bryan Grabigel wrote: > It sounds to me like Chusid put the "last name > withheld" > line in himself for the enigmatic effect. Makes it > much > more "mysterious" than just plain old Nancy. > > --- Todd Madson wrote: > > > > Wait a second. Am I reading this correctly? > Jandek / > > Corwood wrote > > Chusid and gave him insider info on what the deal > is? > > That seems like > > it would be out of character for him, wouldn't it? > > > ===== > Be seeing you, > Bry > brg30@yahoo.com > "I'm only in it for the beer." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! 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Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 972 invoked by uid 1029); 24 Jul 2002 20:56:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 918 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 20:56:08 -0000 Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.8) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 20:56:08 -0000 Received: from AKelly1971@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id l.173.bc9b9c8 (4354); Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:55:40 -0400 (EDT) From: AKelly1971@aol.com Message-ID: <173.bc9b9c8.2a706e4c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:55:40 EDT Subject: Re: I Wonder Why (Not) To: disappearingink@yahoo.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/24/02 3:33:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, disappearingink@yahoo.com writes: > Musing on this stuff is fun, but I maintain that there > is a difference between taking stabs at who the guy > is, and barging into people's privacy. I think the > albums tell you enough. I also think the Chusid > article tells me as much outside of the music as > anybody really needs. Amen. Many of the people on the list here seem to think Irwin Chusid is being downright nasty in his treatment of Jandek, but let's be realistic: how many of us got into Jandek because of Chusid's essay? I know I did. Sure, Chusid goes overboard, but that's the style of the book and he's as entitled to his opinion as anyone else. As for deducing the true identity of Jandek, I don't think it matters. The music is what's important. If he wants to remain anonymous, that's for him to decide, and it would be wrong and highly disrespectful to "expose" him. Just a thought. ~~Amy Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2376 invoked by uid 1029); 24 Jul 2002 21:14:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20020724211444.2375.qmail@cs.northwestern.edu> Received: (qmail 2126 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 21:10:10 -0000 Received: from barrington.services.brown.edu (128.148.19.62) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 21:10:10 -0000 Received: from mail-relay.brown.edu ([128.148.19.202]) by barrington.services.brown.edu (NAVGW 2.5.2.9) with SMTP id M2002072417094908844 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:09:49 -0400 X-Priority: Sensitivity: Company-Confidential From: To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Re: I Wonder Why (Not) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:09:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Chusid didn't pursue Nancy's identity for one reason: it wasn't in Chusid's best interest. Yes, Smith creates a mystique around Jandek. But Chusid has created a lot of mystique about Jandek as well, and that mystique ups his hipness hipness factor and desirability as a writer. Jandek is a resource for Chusid, and the more mystery, the more selling power his inside track has, even if he ruined that inside track years ago. If everyone else knew how to contact Nancy or Smith, well...we'd be reading essays by actual fans, not him. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3121 invoked by uid 1029); 24 Jul 2002 21:19:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 3046 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 21:18:36 -0000 Received: from major.francomm.com (HELO liberty.francomm.com) (root@208.9.129.201) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 21:18:36 -0000 Received: from francomm.com (dialupmax6096a037.francomm.com [208.12.108.37]) by liberty.francomm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA08519; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:28:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: liberty.francomm.com: Host dialupmax6096a037.francomm.com [208.12.108.37] claimed to be francomm.com Message-ID: <3D3F19B4.69BCA29B@francomm.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:18:44 -0400 From: nevermor@francomm.com Organization: Windless Air Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danen CC: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: I Wonder Why (Not) References: <20020724193008.78751.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Nice post Danen. In answer to a couple of your thoughts... yes I agree that Chusids articles has gone a long way in furthering the mystique of Jandek. I think there is no harm in it I guess. I also ofetn thought that maybe Nancy never knew that he would be releasing what she sang on. Maybe has no idea about it being released. You know, went over, hung out, jammed around a bit for fun... and later on it appeared on vinyl. Has anyone ever contacted Katy Vine for more info. She seems to be more of a source then Irwin. "i'm gawn down to the river....gawn spread myself around" Danen wrote: > Okay, I myself can sometimes relate to the desire to > blast Chusid, but wait a minute. Those who've read > the articJandek chapter (and you can find a version of > it on the net, I think on Seth's site???) realize that > Jandek/Sterling wrote Chusid AFTER THE FIRST ALBUM > when Chusid was one of the few people who'd even heard > of him, and Jandek had sold all of two copies. In > fact, Chusid may be single handedly most responsible > for keeping the guy in business, as the article will > attest. > > I agree that the "journalistic" style can be annoying, > and some of Chusid's descriptions seem a bit much > (it's really NOT that AWFUL, Irwin) but think of this, > too...why would Chusid want to "expose" Jandek and > "crack" the story, when he seems so devoted to letting > outsiders be who they are? I don't think he wanted to > disturb the mystique, much less people's privacy. > Wherever Nancy is, I'm sure she's not into blowing > Jandek's cover, or she would have by now. Maybe > Chusid could have gotten her to crack, but that would > have been a betrayal of Jandek/Sterling/Corwood's > trust. > Musing on this stuff is fun, but I maintain that there > is a difference between taking stabs at who the guy > is, and barging into people's privacy. I think the > albums tell you enough. I also think the Chusid > article tells me as much outside of the music as > anybody really needs. > > But that's my fifteen cents... > > Danen Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4657 invoked by uid 1029); 24 Jul 2002 21:47:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 4611 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 21:46:56 -0000 Received: from web12506.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.173.198) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 21:46:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20020724214645.27315.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.33.2.41] by web12506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:46:45 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:46:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Rosevere Subject: I know its been covered before.. To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk ..where we all say how we heard of Jandek, but the recent talk of Irwin just reminds me that I actually heard of Jandek thru CBC radio's David Wisdom on his old show "Night Lines". First place I heard of the Shaggs too. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9614 invoked by uid 1029); 25 Jul 2002 14:56:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 32322 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 10:04:10 -0000 Received: from f48.law12.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.19.48) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 10:04:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 03:03:44 -0700 Received: from 12.216.228.85 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:03:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.216.228.85] From: "Paul Frederick" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: I Wonder Why (Not) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 05:03:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2002 10:03:44.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F6A1000:01C233C2] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk
>Okay, I myself can sometimes relate to the desire to
>blast Chusid, but wait a minute. Those who've read
>the articJandek chapter (and you can find a version of
>it on the net, I think on Seth's site???) realize that
>Jandek/Sterling wrote Chusid AFTER THE FIRST ALBUM
>when Chusid was one of the few people who'd even heard
>of him, and Jandek had sold all of two copies. In
>fact, Chusid may be single handedly most responsible
>for keeping the guy in business, as the article will
>attest.


A man at Corwood Industries wrote to several people between the first and second albums.

I'm not doubting that the man at Corwood told Chusid that he had only sold two copies... but this is just not the case (perhaps a distinction should be made between "sold" and "distributed").  There were at least fifteen people that I know of that had copies of "Ready for the House" in late 1980...  It's reasonable to assume that many of them had contacted Corwood...  I know of at least four.

Regarding Chusid "keeping [Jandek] in business."  I don't think that this is the most productive way of phrasing it.  I do feel that Chusid's radio exposure increased early demand for Corwood records... but there were several other players in the mix who's input got Jandek records in the hands of the "first generation" of fans.  (Phil Milstein, for example, who wrote the first review of a Jandek album in Op... or John Foster... or David Rauh... ! or any of several others).

I don't mean to flatter... at all.. but I think that Seth Tisue has done about as much for "advancing" (in the "putting forth" sense) Jandek's albums as anyone else.  I've talked to many, many Jandek fans... and most people from what I'll call the "fourth wave" of Jandek fans learned about him from Seth's website (though some do cite Chusid's book, or College Radio).

-Paul

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Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11275 invoked by uid 1029); 25 Jul 2002 15:21:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 11205 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 15:20:59 -0000 Received: from cha?inet?1.thecha.org (207.79.176.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 15:20:59 -0000 Received: by cha_inet_1.thecha.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:22:25 -0500 Message-ID: <501208D84965D211A3CF00805FEA1826E274D7@CHA_LEGAL> From: "Epke, Larry" To: Paul Frederick , jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: I Wonder Why (Not) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:14:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Don't forget Jandek's mention in Richie Unterberger's "Unknown Legends of Rock and Roll." Though it was brief, I'd bet that got many people to investigate Jandek. Both Unterberger and Chusid treat Jandek as the farthest out oddball in the musical universe, and I suspect this brought our boy much attention. (Had they implied that someone else held that position, Jandek would be just a footnote to many people.) But I STILL get annoyed at Chusid's dismissive tone in his Jandek chapter, especially given his acceptance of so many truly untalented people (as opposed to Jandek, who, it seems to me, chooses to make music unlike that of anyone else, for his own reasons). Larry Epke "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security." - T. Jefferson -----Original Message----- From: Paul Frederick [SMTP:sandman_142@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:04 AM To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: I Wonder Why (Not) >Okay, I myself can sometimes relate to the desire to >blast Chusid, but wait a minute. Those who've read >the articJandek chapter (and you can find a version of >it on the net, I think on Seth's site???) realize that >Jandek/Sterling wrote Chusid AFTER THE FIRST ALBUM >when Chusid was one of the few people who'd even heard >of him, and Jandek had sold all of two copies. In >fact, Chusid may be single handedly most responsible >for keeping the guy in business, as the article will >attest. A man at Corwood Industries wrote to several people between the first and second albums. I'm not doubting that the man at Corwood told Chusid that he had only sold two copies... but this is just not the case (perhaps a distinction should be made between "sold" and "distributed"). There were at least fifteen people that I know of that had copies of "Ready for the House" in late 1980... It's reasonable to assume that many of them had contacted Corwood... I know of at least four. Regarding Chusid "keeping [Jandek] in business." I don't think that this is the most productive way of phrasing it. I do feel that Chusid's radio exposure increased early demand for Corwood records... but there were several other players in the mix who's input got Jandek records in the hands of the "first generation" of fans. (Phil Milstein, for example, who wrote the first review of a Jandek album in Op... or John Foster... or David Rauh... ! or any of several others). I don't mean to flatter... at all.. but I think that Seth Tisue has done about as much for "advancing" (in the "putting forth" sense) Jandek's albums as anyone else. I've talked to many, many Jandek fans... and most people from what I'll call the "fourth wave" of Jandek fans learned about him from Seth's website (though some do cite Chusid's book, or College Radio). -Paul _____ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15073 invoked by uid 1029); 25 Jul 2002 16:29:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 14909 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 16:25:28 -0000 Received: from f111.law3.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.241.111) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 16:25:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:23:06 -0700 Received: from 12.110.192.128 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:23:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.110.192.128] From: "dave m." To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Re: I Wonder Why (Not) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:23:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2002 15:23:06.0994 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D4BD520:01C233EF] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i have to admit that i don't understand the Chusid-bashing. perhaps people only know Chusid through the 'songs in the key of z' book. Chusid doesn't need Jandek to "up his hipness factor". Chusid's hF is/was already quite high in my book. WFMU DJ since 1975, produced the Raymond Scott and Esquivel reissues (spear-heading re-interest in both of these guys). The guy has done alot more than write that single book. -d >From: >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: Re: I Wonder Why (Not) >Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:09:50 -0400 > >Chusid didn't pursue Nancy's identity for one reason: it wasn't in Chusid's >best interest. Yes, Smith creates a mystique around Jandek. But Chusid >has created a lot of mystique about Jandek as well, and that mystique ups >his hipness hipness factor and desirability as a writer. Jandek is a >resource for Chusid, and the more mystery, the more selling power his >inside track has, even if he ruined that inside track years ago. If >everyone else knew how to contact Nancy or Smith, well...we'd be reading >essays by actual fans, not him. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16269 invoked by uid 1029); 25 Jul 2002 16:38:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 16185 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 16:38:19 -0000 Received: from web14805.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.221) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 16:38:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20020725163818.68252.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.157.161.221] by web14805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:38:18 PDT Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:38:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: Surely not... To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Paul Condon wrote: > > > >I tried playing some of Paul Condon's > >tunings of the piano, > > Huh? I presume this is a typo, otherwise someone's > reading their mail too > quickly... > > right, it was a typo. i meant on the piano. D.M. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 17515 invoked by uid 1029); 25 Jul 2002 16:58:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 17472 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 16:57:57 -0000 Received: from web14810.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.231) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 16:57:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20020725165756.19715.qmail@web14810.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.157.161.221] by web14810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:57:56 PDT Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:57:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: Re: I Wonder Why (Not) To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I thought chusid's article was hilarious, because that's what he sounds like to an uninitiated fan. an out of tune tennis raquet. Am I the only one here who signed on to the J man after hearing about him on the NPR program studio 360? yeah, let's just leave him, alone. and does anyone know if Blue Corpse and You Walk Alone are out yet? peace D.M. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10791 invoked by uid 1029); 30 Jul 2002 21:25:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 8718 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 20:37:46 -0000 Received: from f66.pav1.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.66) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 20:37:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:37:19 -0700 Received: from 213.190.147.241 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:37:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.190.147.241] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: various musings... Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:37:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2002 20:37:19.0969 (UTC) FILETIME=[E69C4510:01C23808] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > >I tried playing some of Paul Condon's tunings of the piano, > >Huh? I presume this is a typo > >right, it was a typo. i meant on the piano. Whaaatt? I presumed you meant "on the guitar"... you mean you got that tuning on the piano? There should be some kind of award for that kind of thing. I think the following quote might relate to the Sterling Smith/Jandek dualism - "Be regular and orderly in your life so that you may be violent and original in your work." - Gustave Flaubert I reckon that while Sterling might be more than capable at his job, it's better for him to keep "Jandek" at home... As regards the Irwin Chusid debate, I have to admit that it was his article that got me interested, but I do find his constant jokes about things like Syd Barrett's mental problems boring and offensive. He gets very sensitive about children and the disabled but his tact doesn't seem to extend to the mentally ill (or the deceased for that matter) when there's a silly quip to be made. He describes Jandek as a possibly dangerous and deranged stalker, and that "Max" thing isn't very convincing (what were his sisters' names? Gretchen? Alexandria? Nancy?!). When I realised I absolutely had to get some Jandek cds, I ordered them through Forced Exposure (which took a loooong time) rather than through Corwood because I took Chusid's view of Jandek literally... eventually I realised that it was probably safe enough. The good thing about Chusid's coverage, though, is that it would inspire anybody who would be into the music to seek it out. The same goes for Katy Vine's article, which I think is better. Both of them can be commended for maintaining the artist's privacy, and luckily, I think Jandek is too uncategorisable for less moral hacks to do a shallow tabloid-type expose. I reckon that the other musicians on Jandek's records probably do know the music is being released - it'd be a lot easier to get people to contribute to something so off-kilter if they knew this was the case, and anyway if they didn't, the whole "hey, you should release some of this stuff" deal would get a bit irritating. Also it'd be a bit of a risk trying to keep it a big secret, and a bit sly. I notice that on "Twelfth Apostle" you can hear cars passing outside, like he has the garage door or a window open. Possibly passers-by could hear him - that must be a strange experience. In the course of an otherwise unrelated dream recently, a new Jandek album came through the letterbox, called "No Time"... except the cover looked suspiciously like it had been designed by Mark E Smith. I need to get out more. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 26278 invoked by uid 1029); 31 Jul 2002 04:43:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 25856 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 04:30:12 -0000 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.163) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 04:30:12 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id l.e5.1b917114 (4332) for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:30:07 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:30:07 EDT Subject: Re: various musings... To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Now I have "Time and Space" as sung by Mark E Smith in my head, thanks a lot! In a message dated 7/30/02 5:26:04 PM, paulgcondon@hotmail.com writes: << In the course of an otherwise unrelated dream recently, a new Jandek album came through the letterbox, called "No Time"... except the cover looked suspiciously like it had been designed by Mark E Smith. I need to get out more. >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12864 invoked by uid 1029); 31 Jul 2002 13:36:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 12797 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 13:35:53 -0000 Received: from f79.law3.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.241.79) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 13:35:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:35:26 -0700 Received: from 12.110.192.128 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:35:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.110.192.128] From: "dave m." To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: various musings... Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:35:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2002 13:35:26.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[2115D010:01C23897] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk speaking of dreams... ...last night i had one where jandek was at my house. he went upstairs and hung himself. we called for an ambulance, but it took forever. in the meantime, i went online and emailed this list the horrible news. -d >From: "Paul Condon" >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: various musings... >Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:37:19 +0000 > >>In the course of an otherwise unrelated dream recently, a new Jandek >album came through the letterbox, called "No Time"... except the cover >looked suspiciously like it had been designed by Mark E Smith. I need to >get out more. > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14563 invoked by uid 1029); 31 Jul 2002 14:10:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 14508 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 14:09:45 -0000 Received: from cha?inet?1.thecha.org (207.79.176.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 14:09:45 -0000 Received: by cha_inet_1.thecha.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:10:42 -0500 Message-ID: <501208D84965D211A3CF00805FEA1826E37E70@CHA_LEGAL> From: "Epke, Larry" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Unlikely fan Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:02:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk My wife and I have very dissimilar tastes in music. So when I recently saw a CD with an out of focus, black-and-white photograph of a person trying to hide his face from the camera, I thought "did she borrow one of my Jandek CDs?" Then I realized it was Paul McCartney's "Driving Rain." However, when I tried to find that album cover on either Amazon or CDNow, I found it had been replaced by a new, flashy color cover. Paul is (essentially) a large corporation, and doesn't make all the choices related to that entity, but I bet he must at least approve something as important as a CD cover. But he's hardly the first person I'd expect to be knowledgeable about Jandek. And since Jandek-like covers probably don't do much for sales, it figures that it has since been changed. Larry Epke Lepke@thecha.org "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security." - T. Jefferson Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16724 invoked by uid 1029); 31 Jul 2002 14:58:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 16217 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 14:46:23 -0000 Received: from web14805.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.221) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 14:46:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20020731144618.96192.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.157.160.222] by web14805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:46:18 PDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:46:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: more stuff To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk No it's true i really figured it out on the piano. It's not quite accurate, but it sounds like a good piano accompaniment to the album. I'm also recording my own cover version of European Jewel, sadly it's too late for the Tribute album. I've recently gotten into of of the artists on that album, Kid Icarus. I dug the NES reference, and also his music. It's like the kid in your neighborhood that has this local band and you're at a loss as to why he hasn't made it yet. You guys, dreaming about jandek... now THAT's surreal! It'd be cool to see some more dreams other people have had, but nothing disgusting. "No Time" hmmm. Sounds like a decent prediction. Now, does anyone have word on the existance of Blue Corpse/You Walk Alone on CD? Corwood said it would be released before august. well, that's about now. Down at the ball park is a favorite of mine. also, i think i've assembled Jandek's band, we'll call them the Z Street Band. This is of course for the middle period. We have Eddie on Lead guitar, jandek on rythym guitar and vocals, nancy and another guy (who could possibly be Eddie or jandek doing a weird voice) on vocals, and of course, john on drums. There is no bassist, or so it seems. Looks like he abandoned his band at some point in the early ninties. then, by the early OO's, he seems to have kicked his guitar out of the band, too. so my prediction for the next album... nothing! 12 tracks of hiss. It'll be like a musical installation. Deep, very deep. following the dots, D.M. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24678 invoked by uid 1029); 31 Jul 2002 17:11:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 24574 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 17:10:07 -0000 Received: from francorp.francomm.com (HELO liberty.francomm.com) (root@208.9.129.10) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 17:10:07 -0000 Received: from francomm.com (dialup25maxb153.francomm.com [208.9.129.153]) by liberty.francomm.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g6VI9C3u008860 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:09:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3D4819DA.D31DADBA@francomm.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:09:47 -0400 From: nevermor@francomm.com Organization: Windless Air Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: more stuff References: <20020731144618.96192.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk according to Corwood, the next CD will feature some acoustic Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 32707 invoked by uid 1029); 31 Jul 2002 20:09:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 31262 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 19:33:06 -0000 Received: from f115.pav1.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.115) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 19:33:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:32:39 -0700 Received: from 62.77.169.109 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:32:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.77.169.109] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: You want dreams? I got dreams. Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:32:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2002 19:32:39.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[0811C740:01C238C9] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk At the risk of descending into boring Freudian HELL... Another Corwood related dream I had involved the Jandek "band" playing their debut gig... in the middle of the road (that's got to be a reverse metaphor or something) at the end of my street in my hometown, just outside the disabled workshop. Jandek was singing, and there was a drummer and guitar player set up about 20 yards down the street. The audience consisted of myself and about 7 other people. Between songs Jandek turned to me and explained with a wink that they were going to play a few of the middle-period electric tracks first to ease the audience in. In the real world, I took this as a possible mystical sign that I should go ahead and do a short set of Jandek songs live, an idea I've been toying with,though this path is fraught with DANGER... Then there was the one where I visited him in his house and couldn't get out... must've just read the lyrics to "Until Then", and Chusid's article wouldn't have helped. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3410 invoked by uid 1029); 31 Jul 2002 21:07:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20020731210729.3409.qmail@cs.northwestern.edu> Received: (qmail 3314 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 21:05:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO Godzilla.cs.nwu.edu) (tisue@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 21:05:23 -0000 Subject: Jandek dreams To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Seth Tisue Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:05:23 -0500 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I'm enjoying hearing about people's Jandek dreams. Y'all may have trouble believing I've ever going to update the Jandek web site in any significant way, but when I do, I'm going to add a page with the dreams on them, so keep sending them. (Josh Ronsen published two of my Jandek dreams in his magazine Monk Mink Pink Punk; I'll include those too.) == Seth Tisue - seth@tisue.net - http://tisue.net "I'm not writing a book on the science of irony." - Marcel Duchamp Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4049 invoked by uid 1029); 31 Jul 2002 21:14:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 4002 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 21:13:10 -0000 Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.5) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 21:13:10 -0000 Received: from AKelly1971@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 5.e.22c7b3bd (17230); Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:12:37 -0400 (EDT) From: AKelly1971@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:12:37 EDT Subject: Re: Jandek dreams To: seth@tisue.net, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk So exactrly how many people have had Jandek dreams? I know I've had dreams in which Jandek appeared, but I forget them almost immediately. Amy Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4852 invoked by uid 1029); 31 Jul 2002 21:24:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 4808 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 21:23:35 -0000 Received: from mailsrv2.leoburnett.com (63.115.251.15) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 21:23:35 -0000 Received: from gwlbc.leoburnett.com ([63.115.250.233]) by mailsrv2.leoburnett.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g6VLLdR25700 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:21:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LBC-MTA by gwlbc.leoburnett.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:22:54 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:22:48 -0500 From: "Aaron Aldorisio" To: , , Subject: Re: Jandek dreams Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk After being a participant in the project, I had a dream about the Jandek film (actually the filmmakers, who were very nice) encountering our man at the P.O. Box in Texas, then going back to his house and filming him/them "in the studio." The film subsequently became a smash at Sundance and the "rights" to Jandek's story were opted out to some big name Hollywood company. I've had many daydreams about Jandek playing in my school cafeteria with the Dead C. as his backing band...This "dream team" was first discussed by either Byron or Jimmy in on old FE, so I can't really take credit for this wonderful idea. I just really enjoy revisiting that particular fantasy. Off topic, how old does everyone think Jandek is? Off topic again, has anyone thought about adding some sort of background music to any of the acapella tracks. Just for shits and giggles, I've fucked around with making a Jandek "house" track using a Roland Groovebox, the "Worthless Recluse" CD and a sampler. AA >>> 07/31/02 04:12PM >>> So exactrly how many people have had Jandek dreams? I know I've had dreams in which Jandek appeared, but I forget them almost immediately. Amy Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5995 invoked by uid 1029); 31 Jul 2002 21:36:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 5901 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 21:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gatekeeper1.nytimes.com) (199.181.175.210) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 21:36:19 -0000 Received: from mailhub1.nytimes.com (smtp-hub.nytimes.com [170.149.204.38]) by gatekeeper1.nytimes.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g6VLZl719596 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from notesgate3.nytimes.com (notesgate3.nytimes.com [170.149.204.43]) by mailhub1.nytimes.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g6VLVvb08630 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from corp-mail-03.ssc.nytimes.com ([206.113.41.244]) by notesgate3.nytimes.com (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.8) with ESMTP id 2002073117370229:2278306 ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:37:02 -0400 Subject: Jandek's age To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Chris.Grier@heraldtribune.com Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:30:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CORP-MAIL-03/CORPHQ/NYTIMES(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 07/31/2002 05:30:38 PM, Itemize by SMTP Server on NOTESGATE3/NYT/NYTIMES(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 07/31/2002 05:37:02 PM, Serialize by Router on NOTESGATE3/NYT/NYTIMES(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 07/31/2002 05:37:05 PM, Serialize complete at 07/31/2002 05:37:05 PM Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >Off topic, how old does everyone think Jandek is? My posts must not be getting thru: Jandek aka Sterling R. Smith, owner of Corwood Industries, Houston, TX, has a DOB of 10/26/1945, which makes him (gasp!) 56 years old. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8799 invoked by uid 1029); 31 Jul 2002 22:21:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 8701 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 22:20:46 -0000 Received: from web14810.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.231) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 22:20:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20020731222042.12442.qmail@web14810.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.154.197.120] by web14810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:20:42 PDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:20:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Dreams, age. To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Very cool stuff. Odd, I spoke obsessively of the J-Man at one point, but i have to say, i've never had a dream about him. Those dreams will give me good material for my story, in which I plan to open each chapter with a quote from the Mailing List. As for his age, i've always thought that he was about 18 when RFTH was recorded. That's the age i've given him in the story. that would make him 42 now. His voice is very young in those early recordings, so it's safe to say he's in his forties. right away D.M. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14751 invoked by uid 1029); 1 Aug 2002 00:04:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 12059 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 23:31:31 -0000 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.163) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 23:31:31 -0000 Received: from AKelly1971@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 4.61.2384fc5c (3874); Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:31:19 -0400 (EDT) From: AKelly1971@aol.com Message-ID: <61.2384fc5c.2a79cd47@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:31:19 EDT Subject: Re: Jandek's age To: Chris.Grier@heraldtribune.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/31/02 5:37:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chris.Grier@heraldtribune.com writes: > My posts must not be getting thru: Jandek aka Sterling R. Smith, owner of > Corwood Industries, Houston, TX, has a DOB of 10/26/1945, which makes him > (gasp!) 56 years old. Hey Chris, where do you get your information? ~Amy Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 18572 invoked by uid 1029); 1 Aug 2002 01:22:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 18462 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 01:18:38 -0000 Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.101) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 01:18:38 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id l.b0.2a49b305 (30951) for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:18:03 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:18:03 EDT Subject: Re: Jandek dreams To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk That's ironic, because they wanted people to talk about their Jandek dreams for the film and you had one afterwards... In a message dated 7/31/02 5:24:12 PM, Aaron.Aldorisio@StarcomWorldWide.com writes: << After being a participant in the project, I had a dream about the Jandek film (actually the filmmakers, who were very nice) encountering our man at the P.O. Box in Texas, then going back to his house and filming him/them "in the studio." The film subsequently became a smash at Sundance and the "rights" to Jandek's story were opted out to some big name Hollywood company. >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19616 invoked by uid 1029); 1 Aug 2002 01:42:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 19381 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 01:34:22 -0000 Received: from web13202.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.174.187) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 01:34:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20020801013421.91513.qmail@web13202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.208.104] by web13202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:34:21 PDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Brooker Subject: Re: Jandek's age To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <61.2384fc5c.2a79cd47@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This information can be obtained from the Copyright Info main website. Also, Sterlings middle name is Richard. mb --- AKelly1971@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/31/02 5:37:59 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > Chris.Grier@heraldtribune.com writes: > > > My posts must not be getting thru: Jandek aka > Sterling R. Smith, owner of > > Corwood Industries, Houston, TX, has a DOB of > 10/26/1945, which makes him > > (gasp!) 56 years old. > > Hey Chris, where do you get your information? ~Amy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21808 invoked by uid 1029); 1 Aug 2002 02:32:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 21758 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 02:31:45 -0000 Received: from clueponbook.nasc.inter.net (HELO app5.nasc.inter.net) (203.176.60.253) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 02:31:45 -0000 Received: from ip129.toronto1.dialup.ca.telus.com ([154.11.80.129]) by app5.nasc.inter.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17a5k7-0006Qs-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:31:14 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:31:45 -0400 Subject: Re: more stuff From: "Sam M." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020731144618.96192.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk on 7/31/02 10:46 AM, Daniel Marks at alfredggnome@yahoo.com wrote: > Looks like he abandoned his > band at some point in the early ninties. then, by the > early OO's, he seems to have kicked his guitar out of > the band, too. so my prediction for the next album... > nothing! 12 tracks of hiss. It'll be like a musical > installation. Deep, very deep. > You mean, like, Jandek goes microtonal/mellow powerelectronic? Wild, man!