Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21250 invoked by uid 1029); 1 Jun 2002 22:40:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 26331 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 18:58:20 -0000 Received: from major.francomm.com (HELO liberty.francomm.com) (root@208.9.129.201) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 18:58:20 -0000 Received: from francomm.com (dialup47maxb175.francomm.com [208.9.129.175]) by liberty.francomm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA16419 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:06:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: liberty.francomm.com: Host dialup47maxb175.francomm.com [208.9.129.175] claimed to be francomm.com Message-ID: <3CF9194D.B5DC1AA5@francomm.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 14:58:21 -0400 From: nevermor@francomm.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: C F References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Does anyone know what CF stands for? (track 2 Blue Corpse) Why is it commonly said that this album is about Jandeks break-up with Nancy? Who ever said they were together? "I'm Going Down To The River.. Gonna Spread Myself Around...." Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29749 invoked by uid 1029); 2 Jun 2002 08:20:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 18594 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 02:35:03 -0000 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.35) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 02:35:03 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id w.59.1c5e7acf (4242); Sat, 1 Jun 2002 22:34:01 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <59.1c5e7acf.2a2ade19@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 22:34:01 EDT Subject: Re: C F To: nevermor@francomm.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/1/02 6:40:37 PM, nevermor@francomm.com writes: << Why is it commonly said that this album is about Jandeks break-up with Nancy? Who ever said they were together? >> I don't think this idea would occur to anyone if it wasn't written on the website. There is a correlation between Nancy disappearing and the music improving...I don't know why breaking up with her would cause that to happen. She DOES come back eventually, but that part of the theory seems to be ignored. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4910 invoked by uid 1029); 2 Jun 2002 17:20:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 30521 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 16:25:02 -0000 Received: from web13207.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.174.192) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 16:25:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20020602162501.12061.qmail@web13207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.200.27] by web13207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Jun 2002 09:25:01 PDT Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:25:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Brooker Subject: Re: C F To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <59.1c5e7acf.2a2ade19@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- NCR13@aol.com wrote: > She DOES come back eventually, but that part of the > theory seems to be > ignored. But this could be debated as well.....I mean, she doesnt make an appearance til when, Living End, and Somebody in the Snow? I still, and have always believed that the later albums are not in sequential order unless you count change of musical style after "The Electric End"......I dont know.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6792 invoked by uid 1029); 2 Jun 2002 17:31:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20020602173135.6791.qmail@cs.northwestern.edu> Received: (qmail 6755 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 17:31:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO Godzilla.cs.nwu.edu) (tisue@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 17:31:03 -0000 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: C F From: Seth Tisue In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 01 Jun 2002 22:34:01 EDT." <59.1c5e7acf.2a2ade19@aol.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 12:31:03 -0500 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >>>>> "NCR13" == NCR13 writes: NCR13> In a message dated 6/1/02 6:40:37 PM, nevermor@francomm.com NCR13> writes: NCR13> << Why is it commonly said that this album is about Jandeks NCR13> break-up with Nancy? Who ever said they were together? >> NCR13> I don't think this idea would occur to anyone if it wasn't NCR13> written on the website. There is a correlation between Nancy NCR13> disappearing and the music improving...I don't know why NCR13> breaking up with her would cause that to happen. She DOES NCR13> come back eventually, but that part of the theory seems to be NCR13> ignored. If this is now "commonly said" it's likely my fault. The text on the web site, having been up on the net for so many years now, may have acquired the aura of conventional wisdom. I didn't imagine that happening when I originally wrote them. They were really just based on my own individual listening. They're now in sore need of rewriting and expansion based on what everybody on this list has said about the records in the meantime, which has altered and deepened my understanding of them a lot. But still, I'd like to defend my statement on the site on this point. The string of albums right before Blue Corpse feature Nancy heavily and a lot of the material is silly and/or celebratory in mood -- it sounds like they're having fun making music together, and often in a more-than-just-friends kind of way. Sonny and Cher, anybody? ("Governor Rhodes" is the best example of this.) Then suddenly he makes a record that she's not on. It's really bleak in tone, and has several songs that are directly about a breakup and the pain of separation: "I Passed By the Building", "Your Other Man", "Only Lover". Then a few albums later, on On the Way, "I'll Sit Alone and Think a Lot About You" and "I'm Ready" sure sound to me like he's ruminating about the same breakup later, with more distance. To risk overgeneralizing (we're talking about several hundred songs spanning 25 years): there aren't relationship songs like these on the earlier or later records, either in subject matter, or in terms of how direct and personal they sound. Direct and personal both in how confessional the songs sound, and direct and personal also in their address to a specific-sounding "you" -- the "you" of the lyrics on earlier and later LP's seems more abstracted. (The earlier LP's and the CD's are more oblique. The later LP's draw more on pop-song forms and subject matter. In both cases the effect is a greater personal distance between singer and material.) It's true that later (on The Living End) she comes back, but the songs don't have the jubilant feel of the earlier material. Also, they might have been recorded earlier. Most Jandek albums give me the strong impression of unity of time and place, rather than being assembled from bits and pieces from a tape archive, but Michael Brooker has argued that this may not be true of the albums circa 1990 -- I haven't really sat down and tried to figure that out myself yet. Of course no one can prove anything about whether in reality "Jandek" and "Nancy" were a couple, or whether Blue Corpse was prompted by their breaking up -- we can only speculate, but I think the narrative I've laid out is suggested very strongly by the records themselves. As far as the music "improving" on the string of albums from Blue Corpse to Lost Cause, my impression, which of course I can't prove either, is that the obvious change you're referring to, improvement or not, is the result of Jandek working for a time with a guitarist whose playing was more tuneful and conventional (some would say competent) than Jandek's own. (There's a fairly extensive discussion of this issue in the list archives.) Unfortunately since most of these albums aren't out on CD yet most of you can't draw your own conclusions yet. But I'm very pleased that "Foreign Keys" is out on CD now because it's really the album on which this whole saga begins to unfold. Seth seth@tisue.net http://tisue.net Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 7334 invoked by uid 1029); 2 Jun 2002 17:32:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 16638 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 10:00:06 -0000 Received: from f98.law12.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.19.98) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 10:00:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 02:59:41 -0700 Received: from 4.41.198.32 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Jun 2002 09:59:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.41.198.32] From: "Paul Frederick" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: A Jandek documentary enters its home stretch Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 04:59:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2002 09:59:41.0214 (UTC) FILETIME=[36A80BE0:01C20A1C] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Dear friends, I've contacted several of you individually, but would now like to address you as a group. My co-producer, Chad Freidrichs, and I are making some of the final trips gathering interviews for our Jandek documentary (tentatively entitled "Jandek on Corwood"). Several of you have already been interviewed, several more have interviews scheduled with us. But, in the interest of complete "coverage" we'd like to invite anyone with the inclination to sit in front of the camera. We will be in the NYC/Boston area the last week of June, and have trips to Chicago and LA planned for July and August. We are exercising absolutely no discretion in the selection of the interviewees (outside of geographic feasibility)... The editing process is a different story... being interviewed carries with it no implied promise of inclusion in the documentary. Lest anyone think that we are out to exploit people... Our contact at Corwood has been very helpful with providing us materials for the documentary... and has passed on to us the right to use Jandek's Music/Lyrics/Cover art in the documentary in exchange for our promise not to reveal biographical information about the artists involved. (If interviewed, you will be admonished to omit all biographical information... speculative or "factual"). The preferred address for correspondence would be mailto:jandocumentary@hotmail.com . We have completed our tour of the Pacific Northwest... including Olympia, Washington (the only true "hotbed" of Jandek fandom). We have some amazing footage from the original Op Magazine staff, and Calvin Johnson of K Records (who told us that the several "Calvin Johnson" stories circulating on this mailing list are slightly exaggerated, or attributable to other people)... everyone has been phenomenal, and very cooperative. There is a definite "positive bent" to the documentary... but we're not going to "exclude" people if their estimation of Jandek's music is unfavorable. Everyone is encouraged to share their honest interpretations of the music. Phil Milsteen, Eric Schlittler, Thurston Moore, Dr. Demento, and Irwin Chusid have all been scheduled for interview... several other Jandek luminaries are pending... One who is noticeably absent is Mr. Seth Tisue, a man whose scholarship in the area of Jandek is unparalleled. Seth, if you are listening, I will continue to leave voicemail, email, and, if necessary, I will wash your car for a month to have you in this documentary. We feel that any incidental success we have in documenting Jandek is the direct result of "standing on the shoulders of giants" (the "giant" in this case, being you). No one has assembled a more complete repository of Jandek information than you have, and we would be remiss in not securing an interview, it is our intention to feature you prominently. Please reply if you are interested in filming with us... do not hesitate to respond if your location doesn't match our filming schedule... if there is a concentration of Jandek fans in your area, we will make an attempt to visit you. Warmest regards, Paul Fehler jandocumentary@hotmail.com end _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10419 invoked by uid 1029); 2 Jun 2002 17:52:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 9910 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 17:48:40 -0000 Received: from major.francomm.com (HELO liberty.francomm.com) (root@208.9.129.201) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 17:48:40 -0000 Received: from francomm.com (dialupmax6096a002.francomm.com [208.12.108.2]) by liberty.francomm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA18692 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 07:57:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: liberty.francomm.com: Host dialupmax6096a002.francomm.com [208.12.108.2] claimed to be francomm.com Message-ID: <3CFA5A7C.1AD26F50@francomm.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 13:48:44 -0400 From: nevermor@francomm.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Blue corpse References: <20020602173135.6791.qmail@cs.northwestern.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I think what makes Blue Corpse so different sounding is that is someone different playing guitar. (Compare the guitar playing on Blue Corpse to the playing on Glad To Get Away - that Can't be the same guy can it?) Also, during "Your Other Man" and "Long Way", you can hear a second voice. The guitar players? I think these are a few reasons why this album is so different. This different guitar playing is heard on other songs here and there on other albums (Upon The Grandeur comes to mind). Just my 2 cents > But still, I'd like to defend my statement on the site on this point. > The string of albums right before Blue Corpse feature Nancy heavily > and a lot of the material is silly and/or celebratory in mood -- it > sounds like they're having fun making music together, and often in a > more-than-just-friends kind of way. Sonny and Cher, anybody? > ("Governor Rhodes" is the best example of this.) > > Then suddenly he makes a record that she's not on. It's really bleak > in tone, and has several songs that are directly about a breakup and > the pain of separation: "I Passed By the Building", "Your Other Man", > "Only Lover". Then a few albums later, on On the Way, "I'll Sit Alone > and Think a Lot About You" and "I'm Ready" sure sound to me like he's > ruminating about the same breakup later, with more distance. To risk > overgeneralizing (we're talking about several hundred songs spanning > 25 years): there aren't relationship songs like these on the earlier > or later records, either in subject matter, or in terms of how direct > and personal they sound. Direct and personal both in how confessional > the songs sound, and direct and personal also in their address to a > specific-sounding "you" -- the "you" of the lyrics on earlier and > later LP's seems more abstracted. (The earlier LP's and the CD's are > more oblique. The later LP's draw more on pop-song forms and subject > matter. In both cases the effect is a greater personal distance > between singer and material.) > > It's true that later (on The Living End) she comes back, but the songs > don't have the jubilant feel of the earlier material. Also, they > might have been recorded earlier. Most Jandek albums give me the > strong impression of unity of time and place, rather than being > assembled from bits and pieces from a tape archive, but Michael > Brooker has argued that this may not be true of the albums circa 1990 > -- I haven't really sat down and tried to figure that out myself yet. > > Of course no one can prove anything about whether in reality "Jandek" > and "Nancy" were a couple, or whether Blue Corpse was prompted by > their breaking up -- we can only speculate, but I think the narrative > I've laid out is suggested very strongly by the records themselves. > > As far as the music "improving" on the string of albums from Blue > Corpse to Lost Cause, my impression, which of course I can't prove > either, is that the obvious change you're referring to, improvement or > not, is the result of Jandek working for a time with a guitarist whose > playing was more tuneful and conventional (some would say competent) > than Jandek's own. (There's a fairly extensive discussion of this > issue in the list archives.) > > Unfortunately since most of these albums aren't out on CD yet most of > you can't draw your own conclusions yet. But I'm very pleased that > "Foreign Keys" is out on CD now because it's really the album on which > this whole saga begins to unfold. > > Seth > seth@tisue.net > http://tisue.net > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24791 invoked by uid 1029); 2 Jun 2002 19:39:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20020602193924.24790.qmail@cs.northwestern.edu> Received: (qmail 24632 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 19:38:45 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO Godzilla.cs.nwu.edu) (tisue@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 19:38:45 -0000 Subject: Minor Jandek site update To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Seth Tisue Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 14:38:45 -0500 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk - listed that "Foreign Keys" and "Telegraph Melts" have been reissued (hope this info is correct -- I don't have copies myself yet) - newer catalog scan courtesy of corwood.com (not the newest though because it doesn't have the newest reissues) - added "Worthless Recluse" to discography, including cover photo - added cover photo of "This Narrow Road" - brought the mailing list archives up to date (the last year of traffic hadn't been accessible til now) - added notice to the "News" section about the Jandek documentary Seth seth@tisue.net http://tisue.net Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 536 invoked by uid 1029); 2 Jun 2002 20:37:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 32472 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 20:34:29 -0000 Received: from web14807.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.223) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 20:34:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20020602203428.20130.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.157.163.198] by web14807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Jun 2002 13:34:28 PDT Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:34:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: ebay To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i've noticed something odd on ebay recently.. there is a guy selling a ton of jandek albums from houston. His brevity of item description, pictureless listings, and odd tastes in of types of music have led me to believe that our friend sterling has joined the ranks of ebay sellers.... dm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4831 invoked by uid 1029); 2 Jun 2002 21:05:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 4494 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 21:03:56 -0000 Received: from smtpout.mac.com (204.179.120.86) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 21:03:56 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay04-en1.mac.com (smtp-relay04-en1 [10.13.10.223]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g52L3uEM018237 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3.mac.com [10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay04-en1.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g52L3p2J009926 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([141.151.136.30]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GX3JUE00.003 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:03:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020602203428.20130.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020602203428.20130.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:02:56 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: ebay Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk At 1:34 PM -0700 6/2/02, Daniel Marks wrote: >there is >a guy selling a ton of jandek albums from houston. His >brevity of item description, pictureless listings, and >odd tastes in of types of music have led me to believe >that our friend sterling has joined the ranks of ebay >sellers.... The user name, however, much more closely resembles this list's very own Bradley Be. -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 23919 invoked by uid 1029); 2 Jun 2002 23:29:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 11458 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 21:54:50 -0000 Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.175.41) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 21:54:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020602215450.51453.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.190.71.7] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Jun 2002 14:54:50 PDT Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:54:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Be Subject: Re: site update / Nancy / ebay To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20020602193924.24790.qmail@cs.northwestern.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Seth Tisue wrote: > > - listed that "Foreign Keys" and "Telegraph Melts" have been > reissued > (hope this info is correct -- I don't have copies myself yet) I received Foreign Keys on CD. The note on the disco. said: "We will send 0750 (Telegraph Melts) in a week. It's in final process." Foreign Keys sounds very good. I can hear some popping sounds but I don't think it was mastered off of vinyl, or anything like that. I think the slight crackling sounds are from the original vocal tracks being overdriven a bit. There's a little bit of noise underneath some loudly sung notes and some of the louder guitar parts. I can hear the words to Needs No Sun a little clearer now. This song definitely sounds like a written poem adapted to music, unlike the songs Some of your Peace & Put it Away, where it's harder to determine whether Nancy was following a lyric sheet or just making it up on the spot. Needs No Sun (2/1) Dance white and wing it steamed Right onto the night's star dream Bring down the fortune black Tore this body off the rack Too soon I see the day grow dim I put your death this life for him You are a bright starlight my night Release the person (???) Dig the spray that you have made Of all the ??? I think it best, To lay the body down to ends Be a spirit from the way To bind a love for your sake A bird flies home to you today He needs no sun to see the way He did his best in the years untold Driven in the blinding cold Fell into a hole so deep Lay down there his soul to keep ??? me with your arms of steel Drive me under your thick heel ??? I found you cold at least ??? all branded beast Best I leave a word unsaid As I die in my bed Take the ??? of this my fate Take it to your black disgrace. My theory about female singers on Jandek LPs is that the singer on Somebody in the Snow isn't the same singer thats on the earlier LPs. To my ear the singers vocal qualities are similar, but not identical. The vocal style and delivery is also completely different. On FK & TM Nancy belts vocal lines out with gusto. On SitS the vocalist sighs and whispers the lines. The only hole in my theory is "Nancy Sings" from Chair... Regarding ebay, Sound Exchange didn't take as many trade ins as they usually do, so I put the rest on ebay. Sound Exchange said that business is a little slower during the summer months, but should pick back up when the fall semester starts. I promise I WILL NOT start posting notices about my ebay sales to the list :) ===== http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24006 invoked by uid 1029); 2 Jun 2002 23:29:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 11583 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 21:55:03 -0000 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.161) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 21:55:03 -0000 Received: from Masseymail@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.a5.28953561 (16782) for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:54:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Masseymail@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:54:34 EDT Subject: Re: ebay To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a5.28953561.2a2bee1a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --part1_a5.28953561.2a2bee1a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/2/02 5:06:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, maurice@mac.com writes: > At 1:34 PM -0700 6/2/02, Daniel Marks wrote: > >there is > >a guy selling a ton of jandek albums from houston. His > >brevity of item description, pictureless listings, and > >odd tastes in of types of music have led me to believe > >that our friend sterling has joined the ranks of ebay > >sellers.... > > The user name, however, much more closely resembles this list's very > own Bradley Be. > -- > Maurice Rickard > http://mauricerickard.com/ > ever seen em both in the same room at the same time?? didn't think so. hmmm.... --part1_a5.28953561.2a2bee1a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/2/02 5:06:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, maurice@mac.com writes:


At 1:34 PM -0700 6/2/02, Daniel Marks wrote:
>there is
>a guy selling a ton of jandek albums from houston. His
>brevity of item description, pictureless listings, and
>odd tastes in of types of music have led me to believe
>that our friend sterling has joined the ranks of ebay
>sellers....

The user name, however, much more closely resembles this list's very
own Bradley Be.
--
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/


ever seen em both in the same room at the same time??

didn't think so.

hmmm....

 --part1_a5.28953561.2a2bee1a_boundary-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 30978 invoked by uid 1029); 3 Jun 2002 00:16:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 28661 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 00:00:20 -0000 Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.175.43) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 00:00:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20020603000020.23987.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.190.71.7] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Jun 2002 17:00:20 PDT Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:00:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Be Subject: Re: ebay To: Masseymail@aol.com Cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Masseymail@aol.com wrote: > ever seen em both in the same room at the same time?? > > didn't think so. > > hmmm.... Bollocks! I refuse to be mistaken for that perverted scoundrel! One glimpse of a bit 'a tail and forget it. You might not see him for weeks. Worse than a rabbit! ===== http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14151 invoked by uid 1029); 3 Jun 2002 14:13:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 6644 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 13:18:24 -0000 Received: from waste.org (209.173.204.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 13:18:24 -0000 Received: from waste.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by waste.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g53DIJZY008753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:18:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (crash@localhost) by waste.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g53DIJ5h008749 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:18:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:18:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Madson To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Jandek audio (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Oop. Let me try this again. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:14:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Madson To: jandek@northwestern.cs.edu Subject: Jandek audio Someone mentioned the audio quality of Jandek releases. One thing I notice is that he's definetely using consumer (not pro) grade recording equipment. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's definetely a nod to the DIY school using whatever you have around. While in some music circles this would be detrimental, I personally like the sounds of his recordings. It gives it the feeling of an anthropological field recording. I'm a musician myself and have higher-end digital gear but sometimes you want that sort of compressed analog sounding recording quality. Especially for recording guitar or drums - it makes the sound bigger and more compressed. Some pros won't record with anything else because digital is too squeaky clean. For my money, the sometimes murky audio quality makes his recordings all the more mysterious and compelling. But that's just me. -- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9923 invoked by uid 1029); 3 Jun 2002 21:14:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 9526 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 21:11:34 -0000 Received: from web14804.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.220) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 21:11:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20020603211133.45390.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.157.164.41] by web14804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 14:11:33 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:11:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Quinn Boys: put 'em in the closet! To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk very funny, i guess i was wrong on that whole bradly be thing... also, the site lists incorrect lyrics for the song "Quinn Boys" off of Blue corpse and You walk alone he says "i wanna be on top" but the site says "i won't be altered" obviously this error changes the whole meaning of the song, from a non conformist statement to an obvious sexual reference. I'm sure its sexual beacuse of all the odd moaning that goes on in "quinn boys II" also earlier in the song he says "Frantuska she told me/she want to hold me" or maybe i'm just wrong again, but it's worth a listen. is corwood prompt on orders or what? i sent off an order on thurday from mass... when do you think it will arrive? it seems now that corwood is releasing reissues by twos, so if my calculations are correct, blue corpse and you walk alone should be ready by late winter early spring 2003. woohoo! oh yeah someone metioned jandek looking model calibur on the cover of blue corpse... not quite, but it does look wierd, like it's a really hot texas summer day and jandek is longing to get inside a building with a/c... D.M., trying to figure out what the hell kinda name is frantuska... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15130 invoked by uid 1029); 3 Jun 2002 21:46:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 14970 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 21:45:49 -0000 Received: from f62.pav1.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.62) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 21:45:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:45:23 -0700 Received: from 213.105.181.240 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 21:45:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.105.181.240] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: C F Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 21:45:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2002 21:45:23.0016 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6C00C80:01C20B47] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >Does anyone know what CF stands for? (track 2 Blue Corpse) I always assumed it refered to the guitar chords C and F, but on listening to it on Ian Kasley's site, it appears to feature just the one major chord - could someone who has a guitar or tuner handy check if this is a C of an F, or maybe a C with an added F note? Otherwise here's some stuff I've shamelessly lifted from a dictionary site. Main Entry: cf Function: abbreviation calf, [Latin confer, imper. of conferre to compare] compare Main Entry: Cf Function: abbreviation californium Main Entry: CF Function: abbreviation carried forward, centrifugal force, cost and freight, cystic fibrosis I promised a couple of months ago to post some of Jandek's tunings on the list, will come through with these in the next few days... Paul _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 18600 invoked by uid 1029); 3 Jun 2002 22:07:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 18001 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 22:04:34 -0000 Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.105) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 22:04:34 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.162.eaa12c3 (16035) for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.131]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v86.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID102-0603180404; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 18:04:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 18:04:04 -0400 From: NCR13@aol.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Quinn Boys: put 'em in the closet! Message-ID: <025AC810.4CECF8BA.0000E84F@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Um, what song do you think you're listening to, man...a medley? In a message dated Mon, 3 Jun 2002 5:14:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alfredggnome@yahoo.com writes: > also, the site lists incorrect lyrics for the song > "Quinn Boys" off of Blue corpse and You walk alone > > he says "i wanna be on top" > > but the site says "i won't be altered" > > obviously this error changes the whole meaning of the > song, from a non conformist statement to an obvious > sexual reference. I'm sure its sexual beacuse of all > the odd moaning that goes on in "quinn boys II" > > also earlier in the song he says "Frantuska she told > me/she want to hold me" > > or maybe i'm just wrong again, but it's worth a > listen. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11157 invoked by uid 1029); 4 Jun 2002 01:04:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 3355 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 00:07:40 -0000 Received: from web14807.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.223) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 00:07:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20020604000736.9728.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.154.197.200] by web14807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:07:35 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:07:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: Quinn Boys: put 'em in the closet! To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <025AC810.4CECF8BA.0000E84F@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- NCR13@aol.com wrote: > Um, what song do you think you're listening to, > man... yeah i made a mistake again... the song wasn't quinn boys.... it was a different one, "customary" on INTERSTELLAR DISCUSSION, and its sequel, "The Way That You Act", on YOU WALK ALONE. here are the lyrics from the "you walk alone" version: As a matter of fact it's the way that you act as a matter of Ways it's customary it was a real pie I got it all in my eye Frantuska (?) she told me she want to hold me I laugh to myself it's all on a shelf It burns that I spoke it each word that I choke it fire at late (?) he cried louder "I wanna be on top" (4x) "I wanna be on top" there. as you can see, jandek gets really wierd here. i just noticed that the song is mistranscribed on the lyrics page. The mistranscription changes the point of the song. next time, i oughta think a bit before i write. this song, i think, proves to us once and for all,that jandek is just nuts D.M. by the way, i have got all the lyrics transcibed from "you walk alone" up to track seven. if you want 'em seth. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19191 invoked by uid 1029); 4 Jun 2002 02:00:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 18808 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 01:58:29 -0000 Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.102) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 01:58:29 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.13f.f49202f (30950); Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:57:58 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <13f.f49202f.2a2d78a6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:57:58 EDT Subject: Re: Quinn Boys: put 'em in the closet! To: alfredggnome@yahoo.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk The whole LP has been transcribed already...twice in fact, but has never been put on the site. These are the *cough*correct*cough lyrics: As a matter of fact It's the way that you act As a matter of well It's customary It was a real pie I got it all in my eye Fran Drescher she told me She wanted to hold me I laughed to myself It's all on a shelf It burns and I smoke it It eats words and I choke it Finally he cried loud I wanna be out (repeat) No he doesn't pronounce Drescher correctly but he does mispronounce it reasonably enough for it to be right. Perhaps a Dr. Detroit reference? "I wanna be on top"....I don't know where you're getting that, not even close. In a message dated 6/3/02 9:04:10 PM, alfredggnome@yahoo.com writes: << yeah i made a mistake again... the song wasn't quinn boys.... it was a different one, "customary" on INTERSTELLAR DISCUSSION, and its sequel, "The Way That You Act", on YOU WALK ALONE. here are the lyrics from the "you walk alone" version: As a matter of fact it's the way that you act as a matter of Ways it's customary it was a real pie I got it all in my eye Frantuska (?) she told me she want to hold me I laugh to myself it's all on a shelf It burns that I spoke it each word that I choke it fire at late (?) he cried louder "I wanna be on top" (4x) "I wanna be on top" there. as you can see, jandek gets really wierd here. i just noticed that the song is mistranscribed on the lyrics page. The mistranscription changes the point of the song. next time, i oughta think a bit before i write. this song, i think, proves to us once and for all,that jandek is just nuts D.M. by the way, i have got all the lyrics transcibed from "you walk alone" up to track seven. if you want 'em seth. >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 23431 invoked by uid 1029); 4 Jun 2002 02:27:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 22688 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 02:21:15 -0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.37) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 02:21:15 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.93.1e014645 (16785) for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:20:45 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <93.1e014645.2a2d7dfd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:20:45 EDT Subject: Re: Blue corpse To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/2/02 1:52:21 PM, nevermor@francomm.com writes: << I think what makes Blue Corpse so different sounding is that is someone different playing guitar. (Compare the guitar playing on Blue Corpse to the playing on Glad To Get Away - that Can't be the same guy can it?) It could possibly be.....there are plenty of times when you only hear Jandek's voice and "good" guitar. I have a hard time believing that he sang along to someone else's playing. Assuming he played one of the two guitar parts of Upon The Grandeur, neither of them are easy enough for him to play if he only knew the GTGA style. It's entirely possible that he plays both parts (he's probably not recording into a boom box). Just because he doesn't play traditionally doesn't mean he can't. I do agree with the idea that The Living End is just pieced together from outtakes, but Nancy never appeared on any blues numbers before she disappeared, so I don't think that stuff was recorded before Blue Corpse. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 570 invoked by uid 1029); 4 Jun 2002 03:36:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 32613 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 03:33:33 -0000 Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.5) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 03:33:33 -0000 Received: from AKelly1971@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.87.1c644a12 (4386); Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:33:01 -0400 (EDT) From: AKelly1971@aol.com Message-ID: <87.1c644a12.2a2d8eed@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:33:01 EDT Subject: Re: Blue corpse To: NCR13@aol.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/3/02 10:28:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NCR13@aol.com writes: > I have a hard time believing that he sang > along to someone else's playing. Assuming he played one of the two guitar > parts of Upon The Grandeur, neither of them are easy enough for him to play > if he only knew the GTGA style. It's entirely possible that he plays both > parts (he's probably not recording into a boom box). Just because he doesn't > play traditionally doesn't mean he can't. I agree. The impression I've gotten from my listening is that the ever-economical Jandek would never bring in another performer unless there was no other way of achieving the effect he wanted, when there is someone else, thatpresence is glaringly obvious. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1796 invoked by uid 1029); 4 Jun 2002 03:43:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 1759 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 03:43:03 -0000 Received: from f69.law3.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.241.69) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 03:43:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:42:37 -0700 Received: from 24.199.91.28 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 03:42:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.199.91.28] From: "dave m." To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Quinn Boys: put 'em in the closet! Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 23:42:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2002 03:42:37.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE7122E0:01C20B79] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk fran drescher?! oh come on. sounds to me like the name "francesca" more than anything...fran drescher. haha. -d >From: NCR13@aol.com >To: alfredggnome@yahoo.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: Quinn Boys: put 'em in the closet! >Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:57:58 EDT > >The whole LP has been transcribed already...twice in fact, but has never >been >put on the site. These are the *cough*correct*cough lyrics: > >As a matter of fact >It's the way that you act >As a matter of well >It's customary >It was a real pie >I got it all in my eye >Fran Drescher she told me >She wanted to hold me >I laughed to myself >It's all on a shelf >It burns and I smoke it >It eats words and I choke it >Finally he cried loud >I wanna be out (repeat) > >No he doesn't pronounce Drescher correctly but he does mispronounce it >reasonably enough for it to be right. Perhaps a Dr. Detroit reference? "I >wanna be on top"....I don't know where you're getting that, not even close. > > >In a message dated 6/3/02 9:04:10 PM, alfredggnome@yahoo.com writes: > ><< yeah i made a mistake again... the song wasn't quinn >boys.... it was a different one, "customary" on >INTERSTELLAR DISCUSSION, and its sequel, "The Way That >You Act", on YOU WALK ALONE. here are the lyrics from >the "you walk alone" version: > >As a matter of fact >it's the way that you act >as a matter of Ways >it's customary >it was a real pie >I got it all in my eye > >Frantuska (?) she told me >she want to hold me >I laugh to myself >it's all on a shelf >It burns that I spoke it >each word that I choke it > >fire at late (?) >he cried louder >"I wanna be on top" (4x) > >"I wanna be on top" > >there. as you can see, jandek gets really wierd here. >i just noticed that the song is mistranscribed on the >lyrics page. The mistranscription changes the point of >the song. next time, i oughta think a bit before i >write. this song, i think, proves to us once and for >all,that jandek is just nuts > >D.M. by the way, i have got all the lyrics transcibed >from "you walk alone" up to track seven. >if you want 'em seth. >> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16279 invoked by uid 1029); 4 Jun 2002 13:32:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 7291 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 04:14:13 -0000 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.6) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 04:14:13 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.1e.2912a05a (3842) for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:13:33 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.2912a05a.2a2d986c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:13:32 EDT Subject: Re: Quinn Boys: put 'em in the closet! To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk OK, I'll buy that...but hell, for 4 years I haven't heard anyone come up with a better transcription, what can I say.... The Fran Drescher angle put that song in my Jandek top-five! In a message dated 6/3/02 11:44:02 PM, claptrap@hotmail.com writes: << fran drescher?! oh come on. sounds to me like the name "francesca" more than anything...fran drescher. haha. -d >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4608 invoked by uid 1029); 4 Jun 2002 19:46:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 30760 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 19:01:52 -0000 Received: from web10807.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.130.249) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 19:01:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20020604190151.78747.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.184.136.226] by web10807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:01:51 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:01:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Danen Subject: Re: Blue corpse/guitar playing, etc. To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <93.1e014645.2a2d7dfd@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > nevermor@francomm.com writes: > > << I think what makes Blue Corpse so different > sounding is that is someone > different playing guitar. It's entirely > possible that he plays both > parts (he's probably not recording into a boom box). > Just because he doesn't > play traditionally doesn't mean he can't. I think it's real important here to note that Jandek has maintained (see 'Songs in the Key of Z,' I think that's where the reference is) in his letters to Chusid that the tunings are intentional, as is the playing style. When he talks about the primitive drumming, he's not talking as someone who thinks that its PROFESSIONAL drumming. That's not the point. I think he's perfectly capable of singing in tune, playing guitar, etc (okay, maybe not singing in tune, but maybe), but he doesn't. In this way, he is more like the Residents or Captain Beefheart than, say, Daniel Johnston or Shooby Taylor. Those guys don't seem to have any idea that something is amiss. Jandek is too organized, too intentional to think that he can't play an instrument. If he chose a guy to play drums who couldn't, that's why he chose him. Does that make sense? Now the fact that Jandek is obviously STRANGER than Zappa or the good Captain is more what makes him an outsider to me. But really, I think there's a lot of thought behind this stuff. Am I making sense here? > > I do agree with the idea that The Living End is just > pieced together from > outtakes, but Nancy never appeared on any blues > numbers before she > disappeared, so I don't think that stuff was > recorded before Blue Corpse. Agreed, I think it's a different woman. He mentions, again referencing the Chusid letters which to me mean more than the Vine article, that he has many many tapes of stuff recorded, so we have to assume that occasionally he throws stuff together and puts it out, mixing it with the newer stuff, perhaps. Who knows? Thoughts? Danen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4032 invoked by uid 1029); 5 Jun 2002 02:12:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 2235 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 01:26:59 -0000 Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.100) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 01:26:59 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.128.1269e72b (4410) for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:26:31 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <128.1269e72b.2a2ec2c7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:26:31 EDT Subject: Re: Blue corpse/guitar playing, etc. To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I'm not saying that I don't think it's Nancy on the Living End...personally I haven't thought about it much, but the actual style of singing suggests that it is her... I dunno. In a message dated 6/4/02 3:46:35 PM, disappearingink@yahoo.com writes: > I do agree with the idea that The Living End is just > pieced together from > outtakes, but Nancy never appeared on any blues > numbers before she > disappeared, so I don't think that stuff was > recorded before Blue Corpse. Agreed, I think it's a different woman. He mentions, again referencing the Chusid letters which to me mean more than the Vine article, that he has many many tapes of stuff recorded, so we have to assume that occasionally he throws stuff together and puts it out, mixing it with the newer stuff, perhaps. Who knows? Thoughts? Danen >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4184 invoked by uid 1029); 5 Jun 2002 02:12:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 2970 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 01:47:18 -0000 Received: from f226.pav2.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.226) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 01:47:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:44:59 -0700 Received: from 65.214.176.230 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 21:44:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.214.176.230] From: "brian t" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 21:44:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2002 21:44:59.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[130A1380:01C20C11] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk also the chusid letters claim jandek used "nancy;s sister" as a guest vocalist and that there are up to 15 different guest performers and some of the songs are just him alone plaing all istruments overdubbed. -Brian _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 17922 invoked by uid 1029); 5 Jun 2002 14:14:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 16813 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 13:52:12 -0000 Received: from f17.law3.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.241.17) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 13:52:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:51:46 -0700 Received: from 12.110.192.128 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Jun 2002 13:51:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.110.192.128] From: "dave m." To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: guest performers Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 09:51:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2002 13:51:46.0123 (UTC) FILETIME=[21C9C9B0:01C20C98] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk which begs the question (and i am not sure if it's been discussed before here or not), do these guest performers know about the whole jandek thing? perhaps for them they are just helping out/playing with their friend bill, or jack, or whatever jandek's real name may be. or maybe they've been payed off to keep quiet. hush-money, ya dig? -d >From: "brian t" >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 21:44:59 +0000 > > > > also the chusid letters claim jandek used "nancy;s sister" as a guest >vocalist and that there are up to 15 different guest performers and some of >the songs are just him alone plaing all istruments overdubbed. > -Brian > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5641 invoked by uid 1029); 7 Jun 2002 12:39:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 20555 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2002 04:15:19 -0000 Received: from clueponbook.nasc.inter.net (HELO app2.nasc.inter.net) (203.176.60.253) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 04:15:19 -0000 Received: from ip3-32.vancbccqac02.dialup.ca.telus.com ([209.121.26.32] helo=istar.ca) by app2.nasc.inter.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17GB9E-0007NJ-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 07 Jun 2002 00:14:49 -0400 Message-ID: <3D00321A.7050502@istar.ca> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 21:10:02 -0700 From: judith beeman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: new folk MOJO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This month's MOJO mag has a two pager on some new folk artists. How inspiring. In a sidebar the writer, David Keenan, mentions three "must haves" and one, by Joshua titled Gold Cosmos really caught my eye. The cd is refered to as "one of the most devastatingly lonesome folk recordx ever beamed from nowhere" -- sign me up! I then went online to seek more info and found Joshua Burkett's email. His stuff (bio) is also for sale on Forced Exposure. The article mentioned lots of people I'm really not familiar w/or have barely heard of: C.O.B.; Anne Briggs etc. Also talks about Geographic records run by Stephen Pastel (who have a collection of these sorts of sounds) but frankly, at import pricing I'm trying to keep it out of my radar. I'm not sure such a discussion is desired here, but I'd personally really like to be steered into the direction of more "lonesome" quiet (and perhaps not so quiet) country, blues, folks stuff. I've been on a bit of a Townes Van Zant jag of late. regards, Judith Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6609 invoked by uid 1029); 7 Jun 2002 12:54:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 6578 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2002 12:54:40 -0000 Received: from smtpout.mac.com (204.179.120.85) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 12:54:40 -0000 Received: from smtp-relay04-en1.mac.com (smtp-relay04-en1 [10.13.10.223]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g57Csdk2011064 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 05:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com (asmtp02-qfe3.mac.com [10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay04-en1.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g57CsY2J004897 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 05:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([141.151.136.163]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GXC6IY00.D7H for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 05:54:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D00321A.7050502@istar.ca> References: <3D00321A.7050502@istar.ca> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:53:27 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: new folk MOJO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk At 9:10 PM -0700 6/6/02, judith beeman wrote: >I'm not sure such a discussion is desired here, but I'd personally >really like to be steered into the direction of more "lonesome" quiet >(and perhaps not so quiet) country, blues, folks stuff. I've been on a >bit of a Townes Van Zant jag of late. I would then strongly recommend the ouvre of Joel R.L. Phelps. If pressed to describe him, I'd say something like Nick Drake's emotional content by way of Neil Young's delivery. (That'd be everything from the acoustic stuff to Crazy Horse.) Joel's voice indeed does bear some resemblance to Mr. Young in places, as well. His most recent disc, _Inland Empires_, is all acoustic, live to two track, and mostly covers, including a fine Townes Van Zant ("Our Mother the Mountain") and Steve Earle, among others, and a fine original tune as well. Get it from http://www.moneyshotrecs.com/. Actually, now that I check the site, it's not explicitly mentioned, so just email Tim Cook directly at timcook@moneyshotrecs.com and he'll set you up. Prior to this, _Blackbird_ can still be found, and it's a much harder, rockier, Crazy-Horse-like outing with the amps on 11. Still very emotionally moving. The prior disc, _3_, is a pure stunner--very quiet mix of acoustic and electric lonesome alt-country/folkish playing, and about as perfect as it gets in my book. The previous two, _The Downer Trio_ and _Warm Springs Night_, are a bit tough to find in shops, but worth looking around online and in the used bins. And the recorded evidence of him with his prior band Silkworm is well worth checking out as well: _In the West_ and _Libertine_ were both released in '94. (We now cue Michael Olcsvary's objections, as he and I have a difference of opinion on this matter.) HTH, Maurice -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16526 invoked by uid 1029); 7 Jun 2002 16:37:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 16416 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2002 16:36:10 -0000 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.161) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 16:36:10 -0000 Received: from LiLiPUT1@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.12c.1283c1d8 (4414) for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:35:29 -0400 (EDT) From: LiLiPUT1@aol.com Message-ID: <12c.1283c1d8.2a323ad0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:35:28 EDT Subject: Re: new folk MOJO To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 31 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/7/02 7:39:20 AM, beeman@istar.ca writes: << I'm not sure such a discussion is desired here, but I'd personally really like to be steered into the direction of more "lonesome" quiet (and perhaps not so quiet) country, blues, folks stuff. I've been on a bit of a Townes Van Zant jag of late. >> Such a discussion is very much desired here. I'm interested in exploring the notion that Jandek is not a musical island so I'd love to steered in the same direction. In the meantime, try John Martyn, Roy Harper and Skip Spence's Oar, the first artist/album compared to Jandek I ever read. And there are tons of lonely (or lonely-sounding) singer-songwriter types around today: Plush, Neil Halstead, Edith Frost....in fact, much of the Drag City label is given over to the stuff. Avoid Lonesome Bob, though. He's good but not all that lonesome (or lonesome-sounding). Best, Kevin John Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6817 invoked by uid 1029); 8 Jun 2002 01:36:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 1718 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2002 23:12:24 -0000 Received: from web10803.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.130.245) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 23:12:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20020607231221.1369.qmail@web10803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.184.13.80] by web10803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jun 2002 16:12:21 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:12:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Danen Subject: Spence and the Godz To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <12c.1283c1d8.2a323ad0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > > In the meantime, try John Martyn, Roy Harper and > Skip Spence's Oar, the first > artist/album compared to Jandek I ever read. Not only that, but check out the GOdz, who beat Spence by a few years...Contact High WIth the Godz may, I swear to you, be the missing link between "normal" music and Jandek. It would be hard for me to imagine that he'd never heard it, but with the primitive sounds of both I suppose that's entirely possible. That said, Jandek's lyrics are far more interesting. The Godz, though, are probably the first band I am aware of to really champion playing stuff totally out of tune/rhythm, etc in the folk world. The Fugs are a bit similar but very political and much more accessible, as are the Holy Modal Rounders. Most people can't listen to the Godz's "White Cat HEat" all the way through. I bet everyone on this list would love it. The real deal. Spence, on the other hand, deserves an air to the throne for the disconnectedness of his lyrics and quiet music. Like Syd Barrett and Daniel Johnston, he's a genuinly disturbed man who had just enough in him to make this one album. (Like Barrett, though, he had previous life in a megaband, so also see his songs from the Moby Grape albums. "omaha" is great pop and "Funky Tunk" and that foxtrot song have to be heard to be believed. "Skip's Song", available on the Moby Grape anthology, may be his finest moment all the way around, imo). But let's never forget: Jandek is truly one of a kind. These guys just may have helped pave the way. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15177 invoked by uid 1029); 8 Jun 2002 05:19:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 8909 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 02:37:40 -0000 Received: from clueponbook.nasc.inter.net (HELO app2.nasc.inter.net) (203.176.60.253) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 02:37:40 -0000 Received: from ip11.ontario72.as5800.psi.ca ([154.5.239.11]) by app2.nasc.inter.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17GW6J-0003jU-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 07 Jun 2002 22:37:12 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 22:37:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Spence and the Godz From: "Sam M." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020607231221.1369.qmail@web10803.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk on 6/7/02 7:12 PM, Danen at disappearingink@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> In the meantime, try John Martyn, Roy Harper and >> Skip Spence's Oar, the first >> artist/album compared to Jandek I ever read. > > Not only that, but check out the GOdz, who beat Spence > by a few years...Contact High WIth the Godz may, I > swear to you, be the missing link between "normal" > music and Jandek. It would be hard for me to imagine > that he'd never heard it, but with the primitive > sounds of both I suppose that's entirely possible. > > That said, Jandek's lyrics are far more interesting. > The Godz, though, are probably the first band I am > aware of to really champion playing stuff totally out > of tune/rhythm, etc in the folk world. The Fugs are a > bit similar but very political and much more > accessible, as are the Holy Modal Rounders. Most > people can't listen to the Godz's "White Cat HEat" all > the way through. Rrrrrr-EEEow! That is a goofy one, but "Eleven" is the real keeper here. For the uninitiated: to recreate the sound, just strum haphazard downstrokes on an autoharp while lackadasically moaning/whining the title over and over: "eleven...eeeeeleeeevvvvveennnn... eelevvvveeennn". Love those nonsequitors. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15323 invoked by uid 1029); 8 Jun 2002 05:19:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 11664 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 04:04:14 -0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.37) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 04:04:14 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.dc.1843baeb (4412) for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 00:03:41 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 00:03:41 EDT Subject: Re: Spence and the Godz To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/7/02 9:37:10 PM, disappearingink@yahoo.com writes: << Contact High WIth the Godz may, I swear to you, be the missing link between "normal" music and Jandek. It would be hard for me to imagine that he'd never heard it, but with the primitive sounds of both I suppose that's entirely possible. >> Very true. I've had this theory that Graven Image is his homage to the Godz...there's a case to be made. However, I think that though Jandek may have been influenced by the Godz, at his best he's much more interesting to listen to. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15386 invoked by uid 1029); 8 Jun 2002 05:19:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 12382 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 04:35:24 -0000 Received: from secure.vosn.net (HELO venture.vosn.net) (209.151.76.4) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 04:35:24 -0000 Received: from rich by venture.vosn.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17GXx2-00022G-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 07 Jun 2002 21:35:44 -0700 From: "jillandfelix" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: new folk MOJO X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 165.247.37.68 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 21:35:44 -0700 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - venture.vosn.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - cs.northwestern.edu X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32429 1390] / [32429 1390] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - venture.vosn.net X-AntiAbuse: Authenticated User - rich Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk well we already have posted an announcement about this a couple of months ago, but we feel we wouldn't be doing our jobs if we didn't say again that likers of Jandek may find the music of Pour,rip...no! of interest. we have a webpage with two mp3s, www.rhizomerecordings.com also like jandek, pour,rip...no! is quite prolific and has another release, this time on CD, that should hopefully be out before the end of the summer. thanks felix Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 7348 invoked by uid 1029); 8 Jun 2002 17:25:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 7257 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 17:21:44 -0000 Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.175.40) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 17:21:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20020608172140.42816.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.57.129.227] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Jun 2002 10:21:40 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 10:21:40 -0700 (PDT) From: silent j Subject: Re: new folk MOJO To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk ...i find it peculiar that no one has mentioned Half Japanese. i don't know if you have hear 1/2 gentleman not beasts lately (or ever for that matter) but comparesions (sp) could be easily drawn... it has been said that Half Jap is the part of the Stooges the Ramones threw away...i have always thought of Jandek as the part of the blues modern blues-men have thrown away...or simply forgotten... j __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9320 invoked by uid 1029); 8 Jun 2002 18:20:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 9195 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 18:16:21 -0000 Received: from femail21.im.home.ne.jp (203.165.11.236) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 18:16:21 -0000 Received: from smtp21.mf.home.ne.jp ([61.26.75.44]) by femail21.im.home.ne.jp with ESMTP id <20020608181619.JACL10029.femail21.im.home.ne.jp@smtp21.mf.home.ne.jp> for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 03:16:19 +0900 Received: from [10.0.1.4] (cj3009426-a.shmki1.ky.home.ne.jp [203.165.101.178]) by smtp21.mf.home.ne.jp (s2060703) with ESMTP id g58IGIhO023914 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 03:16:18 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D00321A.7050502@istar.ca> References: <3D00321A.7050502@istar.ca> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 03:16:14 +0900 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Paul Collett Subject: Re: new folk MOJO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk At 9:10 pm -0700 6/6/02, judith beeman wrote: > > >I'm not sure such a discussion is desired here, but I'd personally >really like to be steered into the direction of more "lonesome" quiet >(and perhaps not so quiet) country, blues, folks stuff. I've been on a >bit of a Townes Van Zant jag of late. > Definitely the Joshua record; how about Charalambides or Jackie-o Motherfucker, depending on how far you're willing to stretch the boundaries of country, blues and folk. The mention of Geographic Records deserves some attention as this label (along with David Keenan) have been working hard to champion a bunch of artists from the Japanese Org label, especially Maher Shalal Hash Baz, purveyors of shambling, naive sounds. Definitely an affinity with the work of Jandek, and if you get a chance to hear any of the Org releases, you should listen. Paul Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9459 invoked by uid 1029); 8 Jun 2002 18:20:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 9212 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 18:16:31 -0000 Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.175.42) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 18:16:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20020608181627.16316.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.57.129.227] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Jun 2002 11:16:27 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:16:27 -0700 (PDT) From: silent j Subject: Re: new folk MOJO To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <40.1ed873f4.2a339e10@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > Half Japanese rules! I also like Jad Fair's solo > stuff. And what a great > analogy! > > =) Amy speaking of Jad, the last two times i've seen him play he was doing solo voice work himself.. though, unlike Jandek, he loops himself beat-boxing then sings over it...(it works out rather chaotic live) j __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24436 invoked by uid 1029); 9 Jun 2002 02:36:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 23321 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 01:56:44 -0000 Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.105) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 01:56:44 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.da.1918f940 (3842) for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 21:56:12 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 21:56:11 EDT Subject: Re: new folk MOJO To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I actually videotaped one such performance, though he did play guitar as well (too bad it wasn't plugged in!). Jad always gives up the goods. There are moments on Foreign Keys and Modern Dances that do remind me of 1/2 Gentlemen, but while the Fairs' lyrics are usually based on some slogan, I have NO idea what the hell Jandek is getting at. Listen to The Ballad of Robert or Twelve Minutes Since February 32nd, that is some atypical dementia.... In a message dated 6/8/02 2:21:17 PM, tao_x23@yahoo.com writes: << speaking of Jad, the last two times i've seen him play he was doing solo voice work himself.. though, unlike Jandek, he loops himself beat-boxing then sings over it...(it works out rather chaotic live) >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 32743 invoked by uid 1029); 13 Jun 2002 18:54:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 32616 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 18:53:13 -0000 Received: from web14810.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.231) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 18:53:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20020613185307.23241.qmail@web14810.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.157.164.161] by web14810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:53:07 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:53:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: corwood continues to confuse To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk fellow fans of the 'dek- I sent an order for two cds three weeks ago to corwood i included a handwritten letter of praise and musings, and a six questions for him. i think they were some of these -is corwood digitally remastering the recordings -when are blue corpse and You Walk alone coming out -will jandek ever play an istrument again -is corwood doing anything for the 25th anniversary of RFTH -what does jandek think is his best record i can't remember the other all i got back was a letter, no cds even, and i sent the guy 16.00 it went as follows: D.M Select Answers: 2: Blue corpse, you walk alone>> shopuld be available before august this year 3: yes 4:no thanks that was it. the problem is i can't remember in what order i sent the questions. however, i'm pretty sure that number three was will jandek ever play instruments again. this is good news surely for most of us who didn't enjoy his last three albums. however i have no idea what he is referring to in number 4. damn. now i klnow he didn't answer the questions about RFTH and his favorite, so that narrows it down to two. man. i should have typed it. has wnyone else had n experience like this? sending off an order with an included letter but not actaully getting your order? does he send the order later and the letter first? what the hell is going on? D.M. ps. there is a jandek on aol. i looked up the profile. it is a woman named Janice DeKain. odd, that coincidence. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27101 invoked by uid 1029); 14 Jun 2002 21:11:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 26954 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 21:08:50 -0000 Received: from f123.law3.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.241.123) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 21:08:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:08:24 -0700 Received: from 24.199.91.28 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:08:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.199.91.28] From: "dave m." To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Audiogalaxy Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:08:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 21:08:24.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[9EAEBCA0:01C213E7] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk There is an article on AudioGalaxy's home page (http://www.audiogalaxy.com) about "outsider" musics and a list of the authors 10 favorite outsider works. Mentioned besides Daniel Johnston, the Legendary Stardust Cowboy, BJ Snowden (who is playing on the 28th at the Knitting Factory in NYC!), Harry Partch and others, is our man Janky: Jandek - Blue Corpse: Only a few people really, definitely know who the Houston man who calls himself "Jandek" actually is, and they aren't talking. All the rest of us have to go on is the records: 31 since 1978, all (presumably) self-released on the mysterious "Corwood Industries" label - with the same layout: the front cover consisting of blurry or grainy photos of the inside of a house with the shades pulled down, or a blond man (the man himself?) at various and non-chronological levels of age, the back cover merely a list of the titles and some minimal information - by an artist who has never held a concert, granted an interview, or come clean with his real name. The music contained within every album follows an equally stark formula: it's always frightening, primitive folk whose primary emotional tone is best described as "existential horror." Jandek's death-moan vocals and hideously detuned guitars render his music unlistenable to many and sadly tend to distract critics from his real strength - dire, potently poetic lyrics that are some of the strongest in contemporary song. These dark, existential lyrics, and the man's confrontationally mysterious aesthetic, are a clear influence on such avant-folk misanthropes as Palace's Will Oldham and Smog's Bill Callahan, and a Jandek "tribute record" issued by the Summersteps label featured covers by Low, Bright Eyes, and Retsin. Choosing a "best" record of these 31 is a difficult task. Someday, someone will make a winning Jandek "greatest hits" compilation. Until then, the man's most cohesive, unified album is arguably 1987's Blue Corpse. More info about Jandek can be found at http://tisue.net/jandek/ _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12307 invoked by uid 1029); 15 Jun 2002 22:45:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 11037 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 21:58:24 -0000 Received: from f192.pav1.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.192) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 21:58:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:57:57 -0700 Received: from 213.105.181.240 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:57:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.105.181.240] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: a few bits of nonsense Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:57:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2002 21:57:57.0819 (UTC) FILETIME=[B59AD8B0:01C214B7] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk A couple of observations of varying relavance... Anyone notice that the title "Your Turn to Fall" is from "Don't Get Too Upset" off "Staring at the Cellophane"? I've transcribed the lyrics for "Cellophane" and "White Box Requiem" if these haven't been posted already. Would anyone agree that Jandek looks rather older than "college age" in the last 2 cover photos? I think of these as being the most recent of the photos - it looks to me like he's balding. Also, is that a bowler hat he's wearing on the "Put My Dream..." cover? In my frequent drunken conversations about Jandek, people, upon hearing the name, usually say "John who?", apart from a French person recently who thought I was talking about "Jean d'Arc" ie Joan of Arc. Hmmmm. Then there's the composer Janacek... If a recent dream of mine is anything to go by (and it's not) the next Jandek album will be reminiscent of "Blue Corpse", but using slightly jazzy piano and distant, quiet drums. In the dream I was struck by how the last "trilogy" of albums led logically to this one and everything now made perfect sense. Am I losing the plot here? I've got both the Maher Shalal Hash Baz & Nagisa Ni Te comps on Geographic which were being discussed recently. MSHB's music contains some shambolic playing which really adds to the happy/sad mood of the music - apparently leader Tori Kudo has occasionally gotten non-drummer passers-by to play drums, as he hates "real drummers"... v.Syd Barrett guitar playing at times also, and interesting arrangements. Nagisa share a similar mood, though they're more of a "rock band" deal, featuring more conventional playing, and are very reminiscent of Neil Young at times. Anyone interested in "one man and a guitar"-type stuff should check out Keiji Haino, particularly the likes of "Watashi Dake", "Affection", and "Keeping on Breathing", all solo guitar and voice recordings, though it's often screaming-into-the-void rather than intimate disclosures. Also heard some Richard Youngs stuff that pretty good, intimate & repetitive acoustic & vocal. Japan's definitely where it's at though - last night I saw sax player Masayoshi Urabe play a solo live show, including a minimal and devastating harmonica solo. Not a million miles away from you-know-what by you-know-who. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 13023 invoked by uid 1029); 15 Jun 2002 22:58:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 12980 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 22:57:12 -0000 Received: from major.francomm.com (HELO liberty.francomm.com) (root@208.9.129.201) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 22:57:12 -0000 Received: from francomm.com (dialupmax6096a040.francomm.com [208.12.108.40]) by liberty.francomm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA24930 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:56:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: liberty.francomm.com: Host dialupmax6096a040.francomm.com [208.12.108.40] claimed to be francomm.com Message-ID: <3D0BC61D.17553A8C@francomm.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:56:30 -0400 From: nevermor@francomm.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: a few bits of nonsense References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Paul Condon wrote: > If a recent dream of mine is anything to go by (and it's not) the next > Jandek album will be reminiscent of "Blue Corpse", but using slightly jazzy > piano and distant, quiet drums. That dream would make a perfect reality... Perfect picture... and sounds.. . it's the natural flow of things. I can feel it in the air. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21723 invoked by uid 1029); 16 Jun 2002 19:47:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 16952 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 16:54:27 -0000 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (207.217.120.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 16:54:27 -0000 Received: from dialup-209.246.102.40.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([209.246.102.40]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17JdII-0006C2-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:54:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D0BC61D.17553A8C@francomm.com> References: <3D0BC61D.17553A8C@francomm.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:57:31 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: daniel rios Subject: Re: a few bits of nonsense Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >Paul Condon wrote: > >> If a recent dream of mine is anything to go by (and it's not) the next >> Jandek album will be reminiscent of "Blue Corpse", but using slightly jazzy > > piano and distant, quiet drums. > If nothing else, it would put your dream on his planet (sorry, i really couldn't resist) *daniel Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19967 invoked by uid 1029); 19 Jun 2002 18:16:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 15153 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 16:53:50 -0000 Received: from web14804.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.220) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 16:53:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020619165349.36150.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.157.162.124] by web14804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:53:49 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: lyrical problems/jandekmusings To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-144104756-1024505629=:35963" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --0-144104756-1024505629=:35963 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kaite Vine decribed the members of the Jandek Fanbase to to cutthroats, so here we gomercenaries/jandek fans:I got my CDs from corwood. Ready for the House and Glad to Get Away are the best ones, with the others lagging behind. I don't suggest ordering Glad to anyone, as it was one of the CDs that got wrecked in the flood in Jandek's basement. He'll give it to you for free. White box is pretty lame, uninteresting lyrics, and no real cool guitar playing. And New town, the other one i asked for, is alright, but it lacks the feeling of Glad to Get Away. Besides, the cover of glad remidns me of a place i've been before, but can't quite figure out when or where. Jandek's photgraphs and music do this to me a lot, and that's probobly why i listen to him. My favourite songs are "rain in madison" "hey mister" "down clown" off glad, and "European Jewel", First you think your fortune's lovely" "Naked in the afternoon" from ready for the house. oen hilarious moment from, i think, white b! ox. on one track, he starts playing. you expect him to sing but he doesn't. instead, you hear the rustleing of papers, apparently, he's trying to find the lyrics to this song! profesionalism at its finest, ladies and gentlemen.i am listening to RFTH right now, and i have noticed a number of apparent mistakes made by whoever transcribed the lyrics for that album on the site. many times it is clear what he is saying, and yet there are the ???, also, for future transripction to be as complete and accuate as possible, consider the context of the song.for instance, in the song "cave in on you"Jump at (out?) the window Hit the floorthat's what it says on the site. however, it is clear that he is saying "out" and not "at" because in the next line he says "hit the floor". if you were jumping at the window, you'd hit the window. if you were jumping out the window, you'd hit the floor below.later, the site says that jandek says:The blind man's coming He's the one to read about you To s! ee (say?) your name ??? burning I'm glad you came there is a mistake here again. "??? burning" is totally wrong. he is clearly saying "my, blind man"which makes sense in context. also, the difference bewteen see and say is very subtle here, but i'd go with see, as the next line says "he's the one to read..." however, don't forget jandek is from texas, and while he doesn't have a thick accent, some words might be slanted a bit. (this is no offence of course to the great state of texas, who we all know not to mess with). this might have something to do with the see/say, difference.>hy am I saying all this? ainly, because i belive that the secret to jandek is all about his lyrics. the more sure we can be about what he's saying, the more we can understand him. he makes up for his mediocre guitar playing with is dep and extremely poetic lyrics, they give us a window into not just his own but everyone's world. and the other reason is that i'm just anally retentive. ah, well until ne! xt letter///D.M. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup --0-144104756-1024505629=:35963 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Kaite Vine decribed the members of the Jandek Fanbase to to cutthroats, so here we go mercenaries/jandek fans: I got my CDs from corwood. Ready for the House and Glad to Get Away are the best ones, with the others lagging behind. I don't suggest ordering Glad to anyone, as it was one of the CDs that got wrecked in the flood in Jandek's basement. He'll give it to you for free. White box is pretty lame, uninteresting lyrics, and no real cool guitar playing. And New town, the other one i asked for, is alright, but it lacks the feeling of Glad to Get Away. Besides, the cover of glad remidns me of a place i've been before, but can't quite figure out when or where. Jandek's photgraphs and music do this to me a lot, and that's probobly why i listen to him. My favourite songs are "rain in madison" "hey mister" "down clown" off glad, and "European Jewel", First you think your fortune's lovely" "Naked in the afternoon" from ready for the house. oen hilarious moment from, i think, white box. on one track, he starts playing. you expect him to sing but he doesn't. instead, you hear the rustleing o! f papers, apparently, he's trying to find the lyrics to this song! profesionalism at its finest, ladies and gentlemen. i am listening to RFTH right now, and i have noticed a number of apparent mistakes made by whoever transcribed the lyrics for that album on the site. many times it is clear what he is saying, and yet there are the ???, also, for future transripction to be as complete and accuate as possible, consider the context of the song. for instance, in the song "cave in on you" Jump at (out?) the window Hit the floor that's what it says on the site. however, it is clear that he is saying "out" and not "at" because in the next line he says "hit the floor". if you were jumping at the window, you'd hit the window. if you were jumping out the window, you'd hit the floor below. later, the site says that jandek says: The blind man's coming He's the one to read about you To see (say?) your name ??? burning I'm glad you came there is a mistake here again. "??? burning" is totally wrong. he is clearly saying "my, blind man" which makes sense in context. also, the difference bewteen see and say is very subtle here, but i'd go with see, as the next line says "he's the one to read..." however, don't forget jandek is from texas, and while he doesn't have a thick accent, some words might be slanted a bit. (this is no offence of course to the great state of texas, who we all know not to mess with). this might have something to do with the see/say, difference.> hy am I saying all this? ainly, because i belive that the secret to jandek is all about his lyrics. the more sure we can be about what he's saying, the more we can understand him. he makes up for his mediocre guitar playing with is dep and extremely poetic lyrics, they give us a window into not just his own but everyone's world. and the other reason is that i'm just anally retentive. ah, well until next letter/// D.M.


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Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup --0-144104756-1024505629=:35963-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 322 invoked by uid 1029); 19 Jun 2002 21:36:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 31092 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 21:08:56 -0000 Received: from f209.pav1.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.209) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 21:08:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:08:29 -0700 Received: from 213.190.147.241 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:08:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.190.147.241] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: this months Mojo mention Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:08:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2002 21:08:29.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[75FB6DC0:01C217D5] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Another Jandek mention in this months issue of Mojo. In a sidebar to an article on street musicians headed "the Outsiders", brief mentions of Wesley Willis, that songpoem guy whose name escapes me, and Jandek: "like music picked up by a Ouija board. Essential purchase: Six by Six". Well that album is probably the spookiest. Bowie's on the cover, and also guest-edits the issue, and writes a piece on the Ledgendary Stardust Cowboy, who's playing at this year's Bowie-curated meltdown in London, along with Daniel Johnson. Elsewhere Bowie admits that he feels an affinity with outsider musicians. So given this, and the fact that he edited the issue, it's very likely that the Dame has heard of (if not heard) Jandek, which is kind of funny. Maybe he'll do a cover of European Jewel. Speaking of J's accent: not being from the US I'm not familiar with the subtleties of American accents, and assume that everybody in the southern states speaks like Boss Hog. Does Jandek's accent sound like that of a Houston native? There's a line somewhere on Nine-thirty about being "a city boy from up north"- is that because he's travelling south of Houston, or could he have moved there from somewhere else? Of course he mightn't be referring to himself. Sometimes on the acapella records he seems to be putting on slight accents. About the "Glad to get Away" flood thing, I got my copy from Corwood recently and it was fine, shrinkwrapped and all, though the inlay was sightly bent, like it had been damp or something, but not in a way that'd annoy you. "Mediocre guitar playing"? No sir. I'll rant about this at length in the next couple of days and finally deliver some of those tunings as best I can. Paul _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12126 invoked by uid 1029); 19 Jun 2002 23:53:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 12073 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 23:52:58 -0000 Received: from web10801.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.130.243) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 23:52:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20020619235257.14751.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.184.13.36] by web10801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:52:57 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:52:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Danen Subject: Southern Drawl To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Paul Condon wrote: > Maybe > he'll do a cover of > European Jewel. I would buy that. > > Speaking of J's accent: not being from the US I'm > not familiar with the > subtleties of American accents, and assume that > everybody in the southern > states speaks like Boss Hog. Does Jandek's accent > sound like that of a > Houston native? Pretty much. Texans tend to drawl in a different way from say, Georgians and Alabamans. Very gruff and authoritative as opposed to the whistful drawl of South Carolina. Arkansans have a gruffer middle register and don't drawl like people from Miss'ipi (sic) or Lousian (sic). Floridians sound like New Yorkers cause they are. In Northwestern Arkansas (where I live, and which is quite civilized) We do say Y'all, though only southern Arkansans say it in any way connected to them Duke boys, who are truly horrible stereotypes that are surprisingly accurate, imo, of people from rural Alabama. But yeah, Janky sounds like someone from Houston or Austin pretty well. If you notice that Daniel Johnston DOESN'T, it's because he's actually from West Virginia, just relocated to Austin (see Songs in the Key of Z for more info on that). But that fits his midwestern twang and whine much better than a Texas accent would. Anyway... > "Mediocre guitar playing"? No sir. Agreed. A lot of what he does is very deliberate. He gets the sound he wants, and this, as I've mentioned separates him from the Wesley Willis types... Live From Arkansas via Satellite, Danen > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 18263 invoked by uid 1029); 20 Jun 2002 02:30:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 17818 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 02:15:18 -0000 Received: from web14805.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.221) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 02:15:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20020620021514.85269.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.157.161.249] by web14805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:15:14 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:15:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: replies To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk ahem. Upon listening to jandek's albums further, I noticed that he is playing rythyms and patterns that are pretty advanced for someone who doesn't seems to know what he's doing. as the early spin article mentioned, the J man does tune his guitar. He just tunes it in a crazy way. I have a unproven theory that jandek is playing "normal" music, just with wild tunings. when i said his playing was mediocre, i was referring to RFTH mostly, which features pretty bland guitar, except for Euro. Jewel. however, my favorite album, You Walk Alone, features jandek using standard tunings, and suprise, it is his most accessible album. I found it much easier to listen to that stuff before moving on to the more true jandek, like the stuff on RFTH. Lavender springs to mind as one song that proves that he knows what he is doing. i praise Mr. Condon for trying to figure out those tunings. By mediocre, i meant that it is clear that his skill on the guitar still has a long way to go, but it's quite amazing really for someone who presumably taught himself, alone. i think everyone will agree that he's no jimi hendrix, heh heh. but that's the genius of jandek. where others see dichord and dissonence, he sees music. even if you hate the guitar playing on the albums, you'll suddenly come crying for it when you hear one of the last three albums. seriously, though, what i meant was that jandek's strength lies not in his musical ability which truthfully isn't on fire, but in his lyrics. "i burnt a match for your complexion/" "the lights went out and you weren't there" now that, my friends, is deep. i bet jandek was quite suprised when he discovered that he had fans across the ocean. i always laughed at the "international orders add 15%" line, as if this obscure individual could ever even sell interstate. however, one can never doubt the power of the internet. by the way, i hear Jandek's big in Japan. D.M., eagerly awaiting "You Walk Alone" reissue this july. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19414 invoked by uid 1029); 20 Jun 2002 02:47:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 19350 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 02:46:46 -0000 Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.100) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 02:46:46 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id l.140.103e7da2 (30962) for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:46:05 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <140.103e7da2.2a429bed@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:46:05 EDT Subject: Re: replies To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Yeah, he's used open G tuning, and dare I say the dissonant stuff on the later vinyl is in standard tuning, just played in the "old" Jandek style. In a message dated 6/19/02 10:30:23 PM, alfredggnome@yahoo.com writes: << ahem. Upon listening to jandek's albums further, I noticed that he is playing rythyms and patterns that are pretty advanced for someone who doesn't seems to know what he's doing. as the early spin article mentioned, the J man does tune his guitar. He just tunes it in a crazy way. I have a unproven theory that jandek is playing "normal" music, just with wild tunings. when i said his playing was mediocre, i was referring to RFTH mostly, which features pretty bland guitar, except for Euro. Jewel. however, my favorite album, You Walk Alone, features jandek using standard tunings, and suprise, it is his most accessible album. I found it much easier to listen to that stuff before moving on to the more true jandek, like the stuff on RFTH. Lavender springs to mind as one song that proves that he knows what he is doing. i praise Mr. Condon for trying to figure out those tunings. By mediocre, i meant that it is clear that his skill on the guitar still has a long way to go, but it's quite amazing really for someone who presumably taught himself, alone. i think everyone will agree that he's no jimi hendrix, heh heh. but that's the genius of jandek. where others see dichord and dissonence, he sees music. even if you hate the guitar playing on the albums, you'll suddenly come crying for it when you hear one of the last three albums. seriously, though, what i meant was that jandek's strength lies not in his musical ability which truthfully isn't on fire, but in his lyrics. "i burnt a match for your complexion/" "the lights went out and you weren't there" now that, my friends, is deep. i bet jandek was quite suprised when he discovered that he had fans across the ocean. i always laughed at the "international orders add 15%" line, as if this obscure individual could ever even sell interstate. however, one can never doubt the power of the internet. by the way, i hear Jandek's big in Japan. D.M., eagerly awaiting "You Walk Alone" reissue this july. >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21992 invoked by uid 1029); 20 Jun 2002 03:46:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 21589 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 03:32:55 -0000 Received: from f27.law12.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.19.27) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 03:32:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:32:28 -0700 Received: from 4.41.198.32 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 03:32:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.41.198.32] From: "Paul Frederick" To: alfredggnome@yahoo.com Cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: replies Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:32:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2002 03:32:28.0080 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A10A300:01C2180B] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk



>I found it much easier to listen to that stuff before
>moving on to the more true jandek, like the stuff on
>RFTH. Lavender springs to mind as one song that proves
>that he knows what he is doing.

I think that it might be a mistake to confuse technical accumen with "knowing what [one] is doing."

>i praise Mr. Condon
>for trying to figure out those tunings. By mediocre, i
>meant that it is clear that his skill on the guitar
>still has a long way to go, but it's quite amazing
>really for someone who presumably taught himself,
>alone.

There is a cheekyness to your tone here that I feel I must address. If Jandek's guitar playing still has "a long way to go" after 25 years of releasing albums... what are the odds that he'll "make up that ground" ?

Who doesn't have a "long way to go" with the guitar?  Is there anyone that is "there" ?  Having "chops" with a guitar won't help a person make a compelling song *cough*Yngwie Malmsteen... Steve Vai*cough* .

I'm not meaning to slam you here, at all.  I'm just saying that analyzing Jandek with the same set of perameters that you would critique the guy at the local blues-themed bar might not be the best way to go about it. 

I do not believe that Jandek has any "chops"... but... that's kind of beside the point.

>seriously, though, what i meant was that jandek's
>strength lies not in his musical ability which
>truthfully isn't on fire, but in his lyrics.

Who would be "on fire" ?  What is "musical ability" ?

Not meant to start an argument... just to start dialogue.


Yours,
Paul Fehler

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Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22632 invoked by uid 1029); 20 Jun 2002 03:54:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 22576 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 03:53:18 -0000 Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.41) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 03:53:18 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id l.198.8822cfd (3965) for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:52:42 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <198.8822cfd.2a42ab8a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:52:42 EDT Subject: Re: replies To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/19/02 11:46:26 PM, sandman_142@hotmail.com writes: << I do not believe that Jandek has any "chops"... but... that's kind of beside the point. >> Um, how many "chops" do you want? Alehouse Blues, Time & Space, The Way That You Act, I Know You Well...I can go on and on. All folk/blues, quite traditional. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24795 invoked by uid 1029); 20 Jun 2002 04:46:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 24660 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 04:42:04 -0000 Received: from f261.law12.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.18.136) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 04:42:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:41:33 -0700 Received: from 4.41.198.32 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 04:41:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.41.198.32] From: "Paul Frederick" To: NCR13@aol.com Cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: replies Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:41:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2002 04:41:33.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0C677C0:01C21814] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk
>In a message dated 6/19/02 11:46:26 PM, sandman_142@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< I do not believe that Jandek has any "chops"... but... that's kind of
>beside the point. >>
>
>Um, how many "chops" do you want? Alehouse Blues, Time & Space, The Way That
>You Act, I Know You Well...I can go on and on. All folk/blues, quite
>traditional.

Did you read my comment?  Or did you skim and find that one line?

-Paul Fehler

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Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 28623 invoked by uid 1029); 20 Jun 2002 05:46:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 28465 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 05:42:28 -0000 Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.33) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 05:42:28 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id l.cc.d46a452 (30950) for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:41:58 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:41:57 EDT Subject: Re: replies To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Well, through the maze of code that your message generated....You seem to be implying that Jandek has to be analyzed outside of the realm of "normal" blues-based music, and that tells me that either A)you haven't heard much Jandek, or B)you haven't been paying attention. The man went off on some electric blues in the late 80s, no different from "some guy at the local blues club", other than he can't play that well. But he was certainly TRYING to show off his "chops" to the best of his ability. In a message dated 6/20/02 12:46:25 AM, sandman_142@hotmail.com writes: <<
>In a message dated 6/19/02 11:46:26 PM, sandman_142@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< I do not believe that Jandek has any "chops"... but... that's kind of
>beside the point. >>
>
>Um, how many "chops" do you want? Alehouse Blues, Time & Space, The Way That
>You Act, I Know You Well...I can go on and on. All folk/blues, quite
>traditional.
Did you read my comment? Or did you skim and find that one line? -Paul Fehler

Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 18749 invoked by uid 1029); 20 Jun 2002 15:26:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 31694 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 07:05:08 -0000 Received: from f77.law12.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.19.77) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 07:05:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:04:42 -0700 Received: from 4.41.198.32 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:04:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.41.198.32] From: "Paul Frederick" To: NCR13@aol.com Cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: replies Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:04:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2002 07:04:42.0186 (UTC) FILETIME=[C02F02A0:01C21828] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk
>Well, through the maze of code that your message generated....You seem to be
>implying that Jandek has to be analyzed outside of the realm of "normal"
>blues-based music, and that tells me that either A)you haven't heard much
>Jandek, or B)you haven't been paying attention. The man went off on some
>electric blues in the late 80s, no different from "some guy at the local
>blues club", other than he can't play that well. But he was certainly TRYING
>to show off his "chops" to the best of his ability.


I have reason to believe that this is not true.

I'm not going to take the other extreme, either... ("Jandek" is a maestro that is deliberately "playing down" to confuse/interest/mess with people)...

The reality... (as is frequently the case) lies somewhere between the two.... I am most sure of it.

-Paul Fehler

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Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24884 invoked by uid 1029); 20 Jun 2002 17:25:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 23347 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 16:56:02 -0000 Received: from web14809.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.230) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 16:56:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20020620165602.82795.qmail@web14809.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.157.162.93] by web14809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:56:02 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:56:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: more replies To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk good points, all. as for me having a cheeky tone, well that's hard to avoid, i'm a cheeky person. I'm generally critical of most people, myself most especially. as you can see, i can't spell. "who doesn't have a long way to go on the guitar?" someone said. good point, you're never really done learning to play a musical instrument. but just because he's been at it for 25 years doesn't mean he's a vituoso. however, i concede that he has the skill necesary to pull off whatever the hell his goal is musically, and definatly he has done something that is perhaps the single most unique thing in all of music. I don't want to start an arguement either, but i hope no one thinks i'm being some kind of ass at the same time. I'm just doing whatever any other music critic would do: critiqueing. D.M. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2523 invoked by uid 1029); 20 Jun 2002 20:16:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 2270 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 20:11:43 -0000 Received: from f73.pav1.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.73) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 20:11:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 13:11:16 -0700 Received: from 193.95.186.7 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:11:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.95.186.7] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Guitar debate: Jandek is God Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:11:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2002 20:11:16.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[A20F7C00:01C21896] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In my opinion, Jandek's big "talent" as regards guitar playing is not about his skill on the instrument, but his approach to it. The tunings are reminicent of a non-tempered scale ie, like those of indigenous music, basically any music other than the last few hundred years of Western music. If this is the case, J is "in tune" so long as he's not fretting the guitar, as the frets correspond to the Western tempered scale, which was developed to facilitate key changes (don't recall hearing any of them in his music). So that could be why there's no freting on the early albums, rather than just laziness or something. And of course, you can't go wrong with a one-chord song. There's bluesy fretting on the later acoustic albums alright, but he bends a lot - is that an attempt to stay in tune with the weird notes he uses? I don't reckon he's losing sleep over that though. As far as I can make out, the early electric stuff is in standard tuning, with lots of fretting, with the strings tuned slightly awry to still provide those dissonant sounding intervals. I really rate the playing on "the Rocks Crumble" & "Interstellar" in an early VU freakout way, or even Fushitsusha with Haino's distortion off. He just goes for it while not worrying what notes he's playing - which I have discovered actually really works. Yep, the tuning on "nine thirty" etc. is basically standard tuning slightly tweaked. On "Ready for the House", there are little riffs, but he messes them up so much that it can only be deliberate. Rather than playing them repetitively throughout the song, he screws around with the rhythm and plays them discontinuously, avoiding getting too hypnotic in a standard way. More soon, hopefully a bit more lucid than the above... anyone who wants to try the "RFTH" and "6&6" tunings should go out and purchase an extra high E string at this point to avoid having to tune the B string up 5 frets and possibly losing an eye. Paul _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15938 invoked by uid 1029); 21 Jun 2002 01:58:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 15739 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2002 01:53:51 -0000 Received: from web14802.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.218) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 Jun 2002 01:53:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20020621015350.25066.qmail@web14802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.157.160.189] by web14802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:53:50 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:53:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: wrapping it up, To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk yeah, Jandek's approach playing the guitar is definitely what makes him unique. It's all about "thinking outside the box." infact, that should be the next title of the next Jandek album, "outside the box" ah, no wait, we already have "white box". Jandek said in his letter to me that he will be pciking up a guitar again, so who knows what he'll pull out.. other random things... in the song "down at the ball park" jandek says, "hit it eddie" and then there's this cool guitar solo. so finally we've found the name of his second guitarist, eddie. Let's see, Nancy, Eddie, John, and Jandek... how come all his friends have normal names and he doesn't? but the point of this is that some of his more "normal" guitar playing durin the middle period may have been done by Eddie, and not by the J man himself. eddie moves towards far more conventional methods of playing than Jandek, but he is obviously turned on to the Man's "method." Like all the musicans on Jandek's records. how about a corwood greatest hits to celebrate the 25th anniversary of RFTH? that momentous occasion happens in 2003. his fans (ie us) could vote on what we think are the top 20 Jandek songs, and those nut jobs ( and i say nut jobs in the most complimentary sense of the word) could put together a CD of his best songs. we'd call it, "Wilted Rose of Texas: 25 Years of Jandek." and he could put a book of Liner notes in it that say hardly anythingbut always have the page number at the bottom. jandek's handwriting is cool. he always capitalises A's, R's, and V's. it's just as criptic as he is. i heard a rumour that Rod Stewart is Jandek. What a luagh!(sic) D.M. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19423 invoked by uid 1029); 21 Jun 2002 03:03:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 19330 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2002 03:01:49 -0000 Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.7) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 Jun 2002 03:01:49 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id l.39.28dd0160 (30952) for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:01:11 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <39.28dd0160.2a43f0f7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:01:11 EDT Subject: Re: wrapping it up, To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X US sub 20 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/20/02 9:59:16 PM, alfredggnome@yahoo.com writes: << his fans (ie us) could vote on what we think are the top 20 Jandek songs >> Are there enough of us to get 20 votes? I want to see a coffee table book of Jandek's photographs that weren't good enough for album covers. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21007 invoked by uid 1029); 21 Jun 2002 03:39:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 20760 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2002 03:34:36 -0000 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.163) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 Jun 2002 03:34:36 -0000 Received: from AKelly1971@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id l.20.2aa83132 (4389); Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:34:03 -0400 (EDT) From: AKelly1971@aol.com Message-ID: <20.2aa83132.2a43f8ab@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:34:03 EDT Subject: Re: wrapping it up, To: NCR13@aol.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 6/20/02 11:03:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NCR13@aol.com writes: > Are there enough of us to get 20 votes? > > I want to see a coffee table book of Jandek's photographs that weren't good > enough for album covers. I would vote!!!! And I would like to see a coffee table book of color photocopies of Jandek's correspondence. ~~Amy Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14914 invoked by uid 1029); 21 Jun 2002 15:22:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 14297 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2002 15:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO navgate2.boston.k12.ma.us) (204.57.47.3) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 Jun 2002 15:07:24 -0000 Received: from bls.boston.k12.ma.us ([192.168.92.5]) by navgate2.boston.k12.ma.us (NAVGW 2.5.2.9) with SMTP id M2002062111064924566 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:06:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:04:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200206211104.AA3135701164@bls.boston.k12.ma.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Warren, Andrew" Reply-To: To: Subject: wrap it up X-Mailer: Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk this is an AWESOME idea! i can think of a tinker's dozen offhand... and the book idea is good too - i wonder what "Jandek" thinks... perhaps that we are all "Jan-dorks"???? andrew (long-time reader, first-time writer) > >> Are there enough of us to get 20 votes? >> >> I want to see a coffee table book of Jandek's photographs that weren't >good >> enough for album covers. > >I would vote!!!! > >And I would like to see a coffee table book of color photocopies of Jandek's >correspondence. > >~~Amy > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27003 invoked by uid 1029); 21 Jun 2002 20:19:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 20272 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2002 17:27:48 -0000 Received: from major.francomm.com (HELO liberty.francomm.com) (root@208.9.129.201) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 Jun 2002 17:27:48 -0000 Received: from francomm.com (dialup13maxb141.francomm.com [208.9.129.141]) by liberty.francomm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA06802 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:28:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: liberty.francomm.com: Host dialup13maxb141.francomm.com [208.9.129.141] claimed to be francomm.com Message-ID: <3D1361DC.45684CFD@francomm.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:26:52 -0400 From: nevermor@francomm.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: wrapping it up, References: <20020621015350.25066.qmail@web14802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Daniel Marks wrote: > other random things... > in the song "down at the ball park" jandek says, "hit > it eddie" and then there's this cool guitar solo. so > finally we've found the name of his second guitarist, > eddie. the point of this is that some of his > more "normal" guitar playing durin the middle period > may have been done by Eddie, and not by the J man > himself. eddie moves towards far more conventional > methods of playing than Jandek, but he is obviously > turned on to the Man's "method." The exact point I was trying to make on this list a few weeks back, which was dismissed by some. But yea, there is someone else playing guitar during this period. > "Wilted Rose of Texas: 25 Years > of Jandek." and he could put a book of Liner notes in > it that say hardly anythingbut always have the page > number at the bottom. What might be interesting is a collection of all the Corwood catalogs, with his little notes handwritten on them. There's got to be enough for a book! Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 28050 invoked by uid 1029); 21 Jun 2002 20:32:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 28013 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2002 20:31:19 -0000 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (195.92.195.173) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 Jun 2002 20:31:19 -0000 Received: from modem-999.banzai.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.231.231] helo=pauls) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17LV3t-0001Zr-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:31:17 +0100 Message-ID: <003501c21962$a2e68160$e7e7193e@pauls> From: "Paul" To: Subject: Greatest hits? Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:31:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C2196B.03BFED20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C2196B.03BFED20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Talkin' about Corwood greatest hits, i spotted a 21 track comp called A = Stick Would Do The Trick.=20 Is this Correct?=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C2196B.03BFED20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Talkin' about Corwood greatest hits, i = spotted a 21=20 track comp called A Stick Would Do The Trick. =
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------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C2196B.03BFED20-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8076 invoked by uid 1029); 22 Jun 2002 01:38:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 7992 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 01:35:56 -0000 Received: from relay1.pair.com (HELO relay.pair.com) (209.68.1.20) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 01:35:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 53483 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 01:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?12.240.28.89?) (12.240.28.89) by relay1.pair.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 01:35:54 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 12.240.28.89 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:35:53 -0700 Subject: Re: wrapping it up, From: Ian Kasley To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D1361DC.45684CFD@francomm.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk on 6/21/02 10:26 AM, nevermor@francomm.com at nevermor@francomm.com wrote: > Daniel Marks wrote: > >> other random things... >> in the song "down at the ball park" jandek says, "hit >> it eddie" and then there's this cool guitar solo. so >> finally we've found the name of his second guitarist, >> eddie. the point of this is that some of his >> more "normal" guitar playing durin the middle period >> may have been done by Eddie, and not by the J man >> himself. eddie moves towards far more conventional >> methods of playing than Jandek, but he is obviously >> turned on to the Man's "method." > > The exact point I was trying to make on this list a few weeks back, > which was dismissed by some. But yea, there is someone else playing > guitar during this period. I also agree with this. Besides the obvious drastic change of style and the fragments spoken by Jandek to the other musicians, there's also clues in the recording itself that may support this. Particularly noticeable when listening on headphones, around 4:30 into "Your Other Man" (also from "Blue Corpse"), right after the line about "Eat some potato!" you hear a laugh and then an "ooooh... (unintelligible)" szung before Jandek's voice comes in on top of it. The fact that the guitar itself and the "alleged non-Jandek voice" are panned slightly to the left, whereas Jandek's voice is panned slightly to the right also may support this. It could be argued that he played the guitar part first then overdubbed himself later, which is certainly possible, but I somehow doubt it. It just doesn't feel like it was recorded that way, but rather live in one take. Further supporting this is the bit in "Long Way" where Jandek says the line about "Not as long as all that" and someone (the guitarist, I assume) laughs, again panned slightly to the left. And I know I'm sure to be further labeled a blasphemer for saying this, smashing some people's visions of Sterling Smith sitting alone in his dank, unlit room with his detuned acoustic clunker singing impassioned love songs to the floorboards or whatever, but I strongly suspect that on a few of the tracks on "Blue Corpse" ("I Passed By The Building...", "C.F.", "Variant", maybe others, I can't recall offhand) that the lead singer may not in fact be Jandek/Sterling Smith. The voice on these tracks is lower than that heard on other Jandek material, although whoever it is does seem to have a somewhat similar style. (Possibly a relative of Jandek's?) It is possible it's the same person, just slowed down a bit, though I fiddled with the playback speed on the tracks in question a while back and wasn't really convinced of it. -ian Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16960 invoked by uid 1029); 22 Jun 2002 05:45:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 8752 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 01:48:59 -0000 Received: from relay1.pair.com (HELO relay.pair.com) (209.68.1.20) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 01:48:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 54313 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 01:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?12.240.28.89?) (12.240.28.89) by relay1.pair.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 01:48:57 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 12.240.28.89 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:48:56 -0700 Subject: Re: wrapping it up, From: Ian Kasley To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D1361DC.45684CFD@francomm.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk on 6/21/02 10:26 AM, nevermor@francomm.com at nevermor@francomm.com wrote: > The exact point I was trying to make on this list a few weeks back, > which was dismissed by some. But yea, there is someone else playing > guitar during this period. I just listened to "C F" (from "Blue Corpse") again and you can distinctly hear two different vocalists at about 1:00 into the song. The main (alleged non-Jandek) vocalist is singing (this time panned slightly right) and then Jandek comes in and sings a line. (panned slightly left) The panning, as well as the style of guitar playing suggests to me that Jandek and "Eddie" switched roles for this track, (and maybe others) having Jandek take over guitar duties and having "Eddie" sing. "I Passed By The Building..." and perhaps "Variant" also seem like they may have been recorded this way. And then there's the album's closer, "One Minute", with Jandek (?) on drums and "Eddie" mumbling incoherently into the mic. -ian Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3544 invoked by uid 1029); 22 Jun 2002 15:42:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 22328 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 08:26:12 -0000 Received: from f146.pav2.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.146) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 08:26:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 01:25:46 -0700 Received: from 65.214.176.230 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 08:25:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.214.176.230] From: "brian t" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 08:25:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2002 08:25:46.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[6819DE60:01C219C6] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I agree with ken. I also think the man singing on "passed by your building" is a different singer then the man I heard singing on RFTH. and I FUCKIN' love that song! its my fave jandek cut, those lyrics... I wrote the man telling him about that song, how I fell in love with those lyrics and the delivery no, I didnt get any hand written crtptic messages back -Brian _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3926 invoked by uid 1029); 22 Jun 2002 15:43:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 1297 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 14:15:17 -0000 Received: from major.francomm.com (HELO liberty.francomm.com) (root@208.9.129.201) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 14:15:17 -0000 Received: from francomm.com (dialupmax6096a021.francomm.com [208.12.108.21]) by liberty.francomm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA02315 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 04:16:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: liberty.francomm.com: Host dialupmax6096a021.francomm.com [208.12.108.21] claimed to be francomm.com Message-ID: <3D14863B.F4F76871@francomm.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:14:20 -0400 From: nevermor@francomm.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jandek@cs.northwestern.edu" Subject: Jandek News Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk "hoping for new material release by September" Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4359 invoked by uid 1029); 22 Jun 2002 15:43:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 3121 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 15:28:14 -0000 Received: from web14801.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.217) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 15:28:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20020622152814.80103.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.157.163.246] by web14801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 08:28:14 PDT Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 08:28:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Interesting thing here: On the lastest Corwood Catalog, it says that white box and Glad to Get Away are water damged trays. It seems that most of his supply was damaged by the flood. One would assume from this note that he has run out of clean copies of those CDs. This makes a good copy of either into one of the rarest Jandek Albums, right up there with his early LPs. Speaking of which, 6and6, Later On, and You walk alone are all on sale on ebay right now. The again, it might be someone on this list... D.M. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10971 invoked by uid 1029); 22 Jun 2002 18:47:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 10483 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 18:37:50 -0000 Received: from web10807.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.130.249) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 18:37:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020622183746.65154.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.184.211.123] by web10807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 11:37:46 PDT Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 11:37:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Danen Subject: Ornette Coleman theory To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Ian Kasley wrote: > on 6/21/02 10:26 AM, nevermor@francomm.com at > nevermor@francomm.com wrote: > > > The exact point I was trying to make on this list > a few weeks back, > > which was dismissed by some. But yea, there is > someone else playing > > guitar during this period. > Of course, this brings us back to the point that "Jandek" may not so much be the person as the "group," sort of like how Robert Pollard IS Guided by Voices yet is not Guided by Voices, see what I mean? I think Jandek is an anonymous collective that always includes Sterling Smith and essentially follows his vision. Besides, he's admitted to using what was it...eleven different musicians? I think the point is more that he is the mastermind to this, and before someone accuses me of labelling him a maestro intentionally "dumbing down" his music, I'll say this: I think Sterling is like Ornette Coleman. Ornette, unlike say Cecil Taylor or John Coltrane, was NOT an accomplished saxophonist before organizing his group and recording his free jazz albums. He could not have played, from what I understand, a good version of "Lester Leaps In" but this only seemed to make him better at what he did. All Ornette albums are his concept alone, and often have no historical antecedent (or little trace of any) in the same way as Jandek's music. Ornette is not trying to make his music "weird," per se, he's playing what he thinks is great, and doing what he's capable of doing. He can't compete with Duke Ellington so he doesn't try to. I think Jandek is much the same. I think this may have been the lesson from the burned books: maybe he found out he couldn't compete with the pro writers so instead found something he could do, that was completely his own. Sometimes it's by himself and sometimes it isn't. He gave up on it, too for awhile but thanks to people like Chusid started releasing albums again and never has stopped. What convinces me that he is not insane like Wesley Willis or Daniel Johnston is that his albums are so orderly...the catalog numbers, the themes, the covers. Look at Willis's albums, anyone who has one. They are a mess! A FUN mess, but still...Jello Biafra did the man a huge favor in compiling two great "Compilations" out of them. Jandek albums each have a unique idea, a well-conceived structure and usually an integrated concept, although some of them, "Follow Your Footsteps" for example, seem to be closer to a "blowing session" where everybody's gathered round and some songs are quickly recorded. Also, as people have pointed out, albums like "The LIving End" seem to be more rag-tag collections of stuff that may have been lying around, where the full session wasn't what Sterling wanted, but there were some moments. "Somebody in the Snow" seems like that, too. But most of the albums are of a whole, and in this I find the idea of a "compilation" not an entirely good one. I don't think he cares about anniversaries and greatest hits. The records speak for themselves. He seems to like moving concept to concept, and maybe the group thing was just a concept. Now he's doing a cappella stuff. Next is...? Point is, he'll be in control. It will probably be conceptual and flow cohesively, unlike the disjointed affairs by some truly disturbed musicians (which I also love and collect, I might add, when it's the real thing). Which is not to say that STerling/Jandek isn't disturbed... it's safe to say the man has social integration problems. But he makes enough money to put this stuff out, and part of the concept seems to be in keeping people guessing. This is why the Jandek list is so much more fun than many of the other lists I've been on. anyway, long winded and so on, but that's my two cents for the day. Danen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 32658 invoked by uid 1029); 24 Jun 2002 14:38:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 32386 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 14:32:25 -0000 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (128.135.12.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 14:32:25 -0000 Received: from doshm254a.uchicago.edu (hmdos254a.uchicago.edu [128.135.57.18]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5OEWPDU023663 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:32:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020623152452.089af360@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu> X-Sender: bce2@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:23:35 -0500 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: ben Subject: Jandek vinyl for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Dear Jandekians, i thought some of you might be interested in some vintage Corwood vinyl (some of which i have put up on ebay, some of which i haven't yet): Six and Six Later On You Walk Alone The Living End One Foot In The North All are in very good condition. See also: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=887842903 Thanks, -benjamin evans Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4630 invoked by uid 1029); 27 Jun 2002 11:12:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 21464 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 04:07:43 -0000 Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.175.38) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 04:07:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20020627040738.18662.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.126.199.89] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:07:38 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Be Subject: Re: Greatest hits? To: Paul Cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <003501c21962$a2e68160$e7e7193e@pauls> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Paul wrote: > Talkin' about Corwood greatest hits, i spotted a 21 track comp > called A Stick Would Do The Trick. > Is this Correct? > > Never heard of that one. Any label/origins information on the CD? An import Jandek bootleg CD ? ===== http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31630 invoked by uid 1029); 27 Jun 2002 22:46:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 20404 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 18:18:54 -0000 Received: from web12003.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.172.211) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 18:18:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20020627181850.65916.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.54.36.203] by web12003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:18:50 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:18:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Cooley Subject: Re: Jandek for sale To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20020627040738.18662.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Ugh. I know I'm gonna regret this, but I gotta put some of my Jandek LPs up for sale. I'm not putting them on ebay unless I absolutely have to. I'd feel better getting them to Jandek fans without them paying 20 or 30 bucks for them. The thing is, they're all from two different radio stations. One set was bought at a station benefit party, the others at a local record store where they got dumped. The covers are pretty worn but the vinyls are all fine and playable. If you don't mind having station call letters and/or DJ comments written on yr Jandek LPs, then this sale is for you. Some covers less beat up than others. Please email me for detailed descriptions. "SIX AND SIX" $10 "LATER ON" $8 "CHAIR BESIDE A WINDOW" $12 "LIVING IN A MOON SO BLUE" $12 "STARING AT THE CELLOPHANE" $10 "INTERSTELLAR DISCUSSION" $10 "NINE-THIRTY" $10 "FOREIGN KEYS" $10 "FOLLOW YOUR FOOTSTEPS" $10 "ON THE WAY" $8 "THE LIVING END" $8 "SOMEBODY IN THE SNOW" $10 "ONE FOOT IN THE NORTH" $8 "LOST CAUSE" $12 "TWELFTH APOSTLE" $10 thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14216 invoked by uid 1029); 28 Jun 2002 20:09:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 2122 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2002 15:30:51 -0000 Received: from f139.pav1.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.139) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Jun 2002 15:30:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:30:24 -0700 Received: from 159.134.172.195 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:30:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [159.134.172.195] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Georgia Peaches En Regalia Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:30:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2002 15:30:24.0733 (UTC) FILETIME=[B90E40D0:01C21EB8] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Has anyone noticed... The line "caledonias, mahoganies, elbows" from "Bring On Fatima" on "Follow Your Footsteps" is a quote from "Soft Sell Conclusion" from the Mothers of Invention's 2nd album, "Absolutely Free". So what does this mean? It sounds to me like the "other guy" (Eddie?) speaking. Is he sharing a private joke with Sterling (or someone else in the room)? It's a pretty weird thing to say to someone who wouldn't know what you're talking about...(then again, some Zappa fans...). Does this imply that SS is into the Mothers? The evidence suggests that Jandek is at least casually familiar with popular culture (comparing John to Ginger Baker, the Matrix "controversy") and the similarity of his music to that of the Godz has been observed - I always assume he's got a stash of old blues vinyl but I wonder what else. Hmmm. Also was recently amused to see in the credits to a Dennis Wilson song on the Beach Boys' "Endless Harmony" soundtrack, a keyboard player named Sterling Smith... was "Ready for the House" a change of direction after a stint as an LA session musician? "Left the Beach (Boys) Last Sunday"? Paul _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com