Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27107 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 07:12:51 -0000 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.163) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Jul 2001 07:12:51 -0000 Received: from Dialleft@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id n.9d.17a2ae41 (4427); Mon, 2 Jul 2001 03:12:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Dialleft@aol.com Message-ID: <9d.17a2ae41.287178d5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 03:12:21 EDT Subject: Re: Blue Corpse To: nevermor@mhonline.net, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9d.17a2ae41.287178d5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --part1_9d.17a2ae41.287178d5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey me too --part1_9d.17a2ae41.287178d5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey me too --part1_9d.17a2ae41.287178d5_boundary-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19702 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 11:56:24 -0000 Received: from pcow025o.blueyonder.co.uk (HELO blueyonder.co.uk) (195.188.53.125) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Jul 2001 11:56:24 -0000 Received: from nyro ([213.48.68.243]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:58:36 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01c102ed$ff5a57a0$f34430d5@nyro> Reply-To: "Jamie Morrison" From: "Jamie Morrison" To: References: <9d.17a2ae41.287178d5@aol.com> Subject: Re: Blue Corpse Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:56:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C102F6.60661E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C102F6.60661E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why don't you both just download it from www.kasley.com? Love Jamie ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dialleft@aol.com=20 To: nevermor@mhonline.net ; jandek@cs.northwestern.edu=20 Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:12 AM Subject: Re: Blue Corpse hey me too=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C102F6.60661E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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hey me = too=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C102F6.60661E00-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24172 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 16:04:05 -0000 Received: from 209-23-48-90.ip.termserv.net (HELO mhonline.net) (209.23.48.90) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Jul 2001 16:04:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 9690 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 16:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mhonline.net) ([209.23.55.111]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.mhonline.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Jul 2001 16:11:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3B473227.63102C16@mhonline.net> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 12:00:39 -0400 From: nevermor@mhonline.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: variant Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This might have been asked before, but can anyone make out what is going on in the background of Variant from the Blue Corpse LP? It sounds like a TV or somepeople talking. I might even be so brave as to say it sounds like the same song. Maybe he is playing along to another version of the song? Also, when you place an order to Corwood, who do you make the money order out to? Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2146 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 19:41:25 -0000 Received: from web12003.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.172.211) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Jul 2001 19:41:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20010707194124.91941.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.48.252.137] by web12003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Jul 2001 12:41:24 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:41:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Cooley Subject: Re: variant To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <3B473227.63102C16@mhonline.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I just listened to it a couple times with my head to the right speaker. I used to think that it was another track he was recording over bleeding in, but now upon close inspection I think it's either a TV or a vent or radiator. The biggest clue is the split second he stops playing you can hear whatever it is pretty well. I forgot how good that song was. A little two minute Jandek gem. --- nevermor@mhonline.net wrote: > This might have been asked before, but can anyone > make out what is going > on in the background of Variant from the Blue Corpse > LP? It sounds like > a TV or somepeople talking. I might even be so brave > as to say it sounds > like the same song. Maybe he is playing along to > another version of the > song? > > Also, when you place an order to Corwood, who do you > make the money > order out to? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4207 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 03:52:00 -0000 Received: from lion.esosoft.net (206.142.247.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Jul 2001 03:52:00 -0000 Received: from 6stbj01 (cs6668133-153.austin.rr.com [66.68.133.153]) by lion.esosoft.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f693q7N17706 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 23:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002b01c1082a$7dc51080$99854442@austin.rr.com> From: "ben" To: Subject: new releases Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:51:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Coming in early August from Corwood: "This Narrow Road" - new release "The Rocks Crumble" - cd reissue b Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6860 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 19:14:59 -0000 Received: from f195.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.195) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Jul 2001 19:14:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:14:32 -0700 Received: from 209.91.184.32 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:14:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.184.32] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: exit@exitproductions.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: new releases Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:14:32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 19:14:32.0386 (UTC) FILETIME=[623FC220:01C108AB] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >Coming in early August from Corwood: > >"This Narrow Road" - new release > >"The Rocks Crumble" - cd reissue Hey b, how did come upon this news? Isn't The Rocks Crumble are ready available? No? M. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10492 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 19:50:49 -0000 Received: from web13208.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.174.193) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Jul 2001 19:50:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20010709195049.8473.qmail@web13208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.140.193.133] by web13208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:50:49 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:50:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "M.B." Subject: Re: new releases To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Darin Mitchell wrote: > >Coming in early August from Corwood: > > > >"This Narrow Road" - new release Wow, we didnt have to wait that long for a new release this time....Then again I suspect it may be til December before we see it.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6727 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 12:51:37 -0000 Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (207.217.120.123) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Jul 2001 12:51:37 -0000 Received: from [209.246.103.100] (dialup-209.246.103.100.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net [209.246.103.100]) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA08610 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:50:59 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: daniel rios Subject: auctions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk hey, everyone check this out- someone's selling their Jandek LP collection.. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1445850589 Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 30757 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 12:43:46 -0000 Received: from web11305.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.131.208) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 11 Jul 2001 12:43:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711124345.2777.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.79.204.2] by web11305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:43:45 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:43:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Subject: Re: auctions To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1764614183-994855425=:2105" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --0-1764614183-994855425=:2105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii At 08:50 AM 7/10/01 -0400, daniel rios wrote hey, everyone check this out- someone's selling their Jandek LP collection.. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1445850589 If I were Jandek I would do this too. He should repress them on vinyl (including the cd only ones) and sell them for $500 in a box set. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1764614183-994855425=:2105 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

At 08:50 AM 7/10/01 -0400, daniel rios wrote

hey,
everyone check this out- someone's selling their Jandek  LP collection..

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1445850589

If I were Jandek I would do this too.  He should repress them on vinyl (including the cd only ones) and sell them for $500 in a box set.


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http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1764614183-994855425=:2105-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31196 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 12:45:52 -0000 Received: from web11306.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.131.209) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 11 Jul 2001 12:45:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711124543.56583.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.79.204.2] by web11306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:45:43 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:45:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Subject: vinyl vs cd To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-896141142-994855543=:53763" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --0-896141142-994855543=:53763 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How do the cd reissues sound compared to the records? Some of those early pressings are just wretched (which ain't always a bad thing). --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-896141142-994855543=:53763 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

How do the cd reissues sound compared to the records?  Some of those early pressings are just wretched (which ain't always a bad thing).


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http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-896141142-994855543=:53763-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11291 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 15:43:43 -0000 Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.175.39) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 11 Jul 2001 15:43:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711154340.17947.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.218.229.109] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:43:40 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:43:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Be Subject: Re: vinyl vs cd To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20010711124543.56583.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Greg wrote: > > How do the cd reissues sound compared to the records? Some of > those early pressings are just wretched (which ain't always a bad > thing). > Corwood is taking great pains to clean up the sound quality on the CD re-releases. This would explain why each re-release is taking so long to be re-pressed. My LP version of "6 & 6" was abysmal, un-listenable. The sound quality improvement on this CD sounds makes it sound like a completely different recording. Other titles aren't such a drastic change as this one, but all the ones that I originally had on LP (and can therefore compare them) sound better on CD. Tape hiss has been processed out of the digital re-masters, and it looks like he is also taking this opportunity to fix glaring errors in earlier recordings. The loud "banging the guitar against the microphone" event that occurred during "Point Judith" and the backward track bleeding into "The First End" have both been eliminated from the CD re-issues. ===== http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 18064 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 17:09:59 -0000 Received: from aloha.cc.columbia.edu (cu56937@128.59.59.134) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 11 Jul 2001 17:09:59 -0000 Received: from localhost by aloha.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01078; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:09:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Edward Andrew Reno To: Bradley Be cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: vinyl vs cd In-Reply-To: <20010711154340.17947.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i have the same feeling about, say, pre-war blues recordings as i do about jandek records: the more background noise the better. the main reason i like six and six so much, and hold it as jandek's most bone-chilling album, is because of the shitty recording quality. i'll draw the line at his more recent use of VAR, but still, i think it's a shame that the older records have been remastered to remove the audible presence of the recording medium. ed On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Bradley Be wrote: > --- Greg wrote: > > > > How do the cd reissues sound compared to the records? Some of > > those early pressings are just wretched (which ain't always a bad > > thing). > > > > Corwood is taking great pains to clean up the sound quality on the CD > re-releases. This would explain why each re-release is taking so > long to be re-pressed. My LP version of "6 & 6" was abysmal, > un-listenable. The sound quality improvement on this CD sounds makes > it sound like a completely different recording. Other titles aren't > such a drastic change as this one, but all the ones that I originally > had on LP (and can therefore compare them) sound better on CD. > > Tape hiss has been processed out of the digital re-masters, and it > looks like he is also taking this opportunity to fix glaring errors > in earlier recordings. The loud "banging the guitar against the > microphone" event that occurred during "Point Judith" and the > backward track bleeding into "The First End" have both been > eliminated from the CD re-issues. > > > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21846 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 18:01:23 -0000 Received: from web10806.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.130.248) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 11 Jul 2001 18:01:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711180121.77523.qmail@web10806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.184.211.114] by web10806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:01:21 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:01:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Danen Jobe Subject: Re: vinyl vs cd To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Edward Andrew Reno wrote: > i have the same feeling about, say, pre-war blues > recordings as i do about > jandek records: the more background noise the > better. the main reason i > like six and six so much, and hold it as jandek's > most bone-chilling > album, is because of the shitty recording quality. I don't usually say much on this list but this is one of those arguments that always gets to me. NOw I don't think everything should be 24 bit digitally remastered (a lot of old jazz records, for instance, are killed by being "overproduced") but I think clarity is essential. What Jandek is doing is probably making the stuff sound like he originally wanted it to. Same goes with say old Robert Johnson or Duke Ellington records. The crackle isn't there because the artist wanted it but because they recorded everything onto vinyl acetates. I imagine Jandek simply didn't have the equipment in 1981 to record a clean sounding album. Listening to his stuff of the last 6 years or so, it sounds good (though still rough, as Jandek should). I want to hear the vocals and the guitar. I hate old cd's that sound muddy, as though everything had been smushed together on a single track and recorded from across the room. A good example is the cd out now of Sly and the Family Stone's 'THere's a Riot Goin' on.' Amazing album; unlistenable cd. In Jandek's case this is backwards, at least in my opinion. The old lp's often sound muddy, like he'd made a tape of a tape and pressed that. It may sound "cultured" to say you want it this way (or you may truly like it, I'm not trying to flame here)but I don't think the artist wanted it like that. Proof of this comes from the remastering, which Jandek is obviously doing himself. If somebody else was reproducing these albums, I would take a different stance, but I believe that Jandek is being faithful to his recordings (unlike, say, Michael Gira of Swans who regularly takes songs out, touches them up, etc on re-issues and infuriates fans). Anyway, enough on that but I like what Jandek is doing and wish (as someone mentioned eariler) that he'd reprint the lp's with the new masters. I dig the cd's but I have to admit (blaring pretention all the while) that Jandek is one of those artists I really like on vinyl. The old format just fits him, kinda like DUke Ellington and Robert Johnson... via Arkansas, Danen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 23396 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 02:40:03 -0000 Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.97) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 02:40:03 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id l.11a.17adeb3 (24896) for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:39:57 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <11a.17adeb3.287e67fd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:39:57 EDT Subject: Re: vinyl vs cd To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I don't have the originals to compare to (I only have the vinyl from Foreign Keys onward), but when he started putting out reissues, they did seem conspicuously clean sounding. Perhaps it is only coincidentally but I almost never listen to anything he's put out on CD, though I own them. When the Follow Your Footsteps CD rolls around I will start being more critical. I do think vinyl is a better medium for Jandek's music to exist on (I woudn't say that for everybody), but on the other hand there are plenty of times where the mixing on the original LPs is just too impenetrable. Unfortunately, remastered vinyl ain't gonna happen...But hey, "Nancy Sings" sounds pretty fucking good on CD so at least he's doing it right. I only need the next 3 reissues to fill the hole in my collection, but I'll probably keep buying the subsequent ones--I feel guilty that I spent hundreds of $$$ on the records when they were probably free in the first place (and fuck that guy on eBay-$2400 for the set???). Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 621 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 14:58:40 -0000 Received: from 209-23-48-90.ip.termserv.net (HELO mhonline.net) (209.23.48.90) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 14:58:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 22798 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 14:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mhonline.net) ([209.23.37.94]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.mhonline.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Jul 2001 14:59:51 -0000 Message-ID: <3B4DBA41.BDCBD590@mhonline.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:54:57 -0400 From: nevermor@mhonline.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re:Jandek on Ebay References: <11a.17adeb3.287e67fd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > I feel guilty that I spent hundreds > of $$$ on the records when they were probably free in the first place (and > fuck that guy on eBay-$2400 for the set???). Agreed. There is no way he (the seller) will get that much for them. I think Jandek would be saddened by it all. Didn't he often give out extra copies and say please do not sell them but give them away. If the money interested J then he wouldn't have such reasonable prices. I just got Glad To Get Away today from Corwood. All for $8. you can't beat it! He included a catalog but there was no mention of the new release in Aug. Where did you hear about that? Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11046 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 17:23:35 -0000 Received: from host5.inviteinternet.com (209.239.38.74) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 17:23:35 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (adsl-141-158-71-194.pittpa.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.158.71.194]) by host5.inviteinternet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f6CHNYv08236 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:23:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010711180121.77523.qmail@web10806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010711180121.77523.qmail@web10806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:22:52 -0700 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: vinyl vs cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk These are really interesting points. An artist sets out to do something and may or may not reach that goal--if given a chance later, he or she might make various changes. Meanwhile, those of us who have bonded with the work in some way might come to love many different things about it--not just "successes" (good lyrics, a well-done vocal or guitar line) but also things the artist didn't intend or didn't want (people talking in the background, guitar bumping into a mic stand, tape drop-out at a particular time). I have no resolution to the tension between these, but it is an interesting aspect of being a fan. -Maurice At 11:01 AM -0700 7/11/01, Danen Jobe wrote: >--- Edward Andrew Reno wrote: >> i have the same feeling about, say, pre-war blues >> recordings as i do about >> jandek records: the more background noise the >> better. > >I don't usually say much on this list but this is one >of those arguments that always gets to me. > >What Jandek is doing is probably >making the stuff sound like he originally wanted it >to. ... I dig the cd's >but I have to admit (blaring pretention all the while) >that Jandek is one of those artists I really like on >vinyl. The old format just fits him, kinda like DUke >Ellington and Robert Johnson... -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 25915 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 06:23:51 -0000 Received: from f188.law8.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.188) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Jul 2001 06:23:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:23:23 -0700 Received: from 192.211.25.95 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:23:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [192.211.25.95] From: "aerick duckhugger" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: vinyl vs cd Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:23:23 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 06:23:23.0891 (UTC) FILETIME=[51BAB430:01C10B64] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk but all those errors and imperfections added such charm... sigh... i suppose that means there still would be reason left for some of us to track down the vinyl... not that i ever have the cash to track down anything, eh... oh well. -a.duckhugger >From: Bradley Be >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: vinyl vs cd >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:43:40 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Greg wrote: > > > > How do the cd reissues sound compared to the records? Some of > > those early pressings are just wretched (which ain't always a bad > > thing). > > > >Corwood is taking great pains to clean up the sound quality on the CD >re-releases. This would explain why each re-release is taking so >long to be re-pressed. My LP version of "6 & 6" was abysmal, >un-listenable. The sound quality improvement on this CD sounds makes >it sound like a completely different recording. Other titles aren't >such a drastic change as this one, but all the ones that I originally >had on LP (and can therefore compare them) sound better on CD. > >Tape hiss has been processed out of the digital re-masters, and it >looks like he is also taking this opportunity to fix glaring errors >in earlier recordings. The loud "banging the guitar against the >microphone" event that occurred during "Point Judith" and the >backward track bleeding into "The First End" have both been >eliminated from the CD re-issues. > > > > >===== >http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Message-ID: <20010718130917.20616.qmail@cs.nwu.edu> Received: (qmail 20607 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 13:09:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO Godzilla.cs.nwu.edu) (tisue@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 13:09:16 -0000 To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: auctions From: Seth Tisue In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:50:59 EDT." Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:09:16 -0500 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >>>>> "daniel" == daniel rios writes: daniel> hey, everyone check this out- someone's selling their Jandek daniel> LP collection.. daniel> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1445850589 No bids yet, either. $1400?! That's absurd... Seth seth@tisue.net http://tisue.net Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24152 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 14:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO htcexch11286.htc.edu) (209.44.60.254) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 14:07:01 -0000 Received: by htcexch11286.htc.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <31KLL13V>; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:11:05 -0500 Message-ID: <45BB3D25CA31FC4F9FE376F6E0EAD34E2B4F72@htcexch11286.htc.edu> From: "Ronsen, Josh P." To: "'jandek@cs.nwu.edu'" Subject: RE: auctions Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:11:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk daniel> hey, everyone check this out- someone's selling their Jandek daniel> LP collection.. Seth> No bids yet, either. $1400?! That's absurd... For that money I'd want a visit and a personal song from the enigma himself! -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 25346 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 14:19:25 -0000 Received: from web12006.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.172.214) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 14:19:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20010718141925.10686.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.48.252.137] by web12006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:19:25 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:19:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Cooley Subject: RE: auctions To: "'jandek@cs.nwu.edu'" In-Reply-To: <45BB3D25CA31FC4F9FE376F6E0EAD34E2B4F72@htcexch11286.htc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk You can pay Jad Fair to write and record a personalized song for you about anything you like for only $300 at www.jadfair.com --- "Ronsen, Josh P." wrote: > daniel> hey, everyone check this out- someone's > selling their Jandek > daniel> LP collection.. > > Seth> No bids yet, either. $1400?! That's > absurd... > > For that money I'd want a visit and a personal song > from the enigma himself! > > -Josh Ronsen > http://www.nd.org/jronsen > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3939 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 17:07:49 -0000 Received: from web10806.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.130.248) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 17:07:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20010718170749.18348.qmail@web10806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.184.136.231] by web10806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:07:49 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:07:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Danen Jobe Subject: Jandek's not that strange To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu In-Reply-To: <20010718141925.10686.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I said "Jandek's Not that Strange." Yeah, I mean that. See, yesterday I finally picked up legendary DJ Irwin Chausid's 'Songs in the Key of X.' For the most part, I found the book very informative (and sometimes hilarious, check out the Swedish Elvis!) but then I came to the Jandek article. Now as we all know Chausid is widely held responsible for getting the word out about Jandek via his WFMU radio show. I had expected, at the very least, the same sort of sympathetic treatment Chausid gives to Daniel Johnston, Wesley Willis, Captain Beefheart (who may not belong here, really, in spite of my devotion to him. Why him and not Jad Fair? Or Will Oldham? As for Syd Barrett... Hey, lots of rock starts went nuts, that doesn't make them outsiders. Why him and not Brian Wilson?). Instead I get an opening that compares Jandek's music to maggots crunching dead flesh and ends in Chausid's being glad that Jandek doesn't have his new address based largely on the line "Hey mister can you tell me is that a knife stuck in your face?" If that line (and some others in Jandek's repoire) is enough to damn him a psychopath, every death metal performer in the world should be commited. I tell you, there is no Jandek lyric as harsh as Michael Gira wrote for Swans. Give 'Cop' a spin, go ahead. But guess what, I interviewed Gira twice and he was, while eccentric, as polite, intelligent, and "normal" as any other rock star I've met. Yeah, I'm not surprised that Jandek is eccentric, but Chausid damns Seth to the loony bin (it seems) when he notes that Seth actually likes Jandek and has listened to 'Blue Corpse' more than a hundred times. I don't blame Seth. That's a damn good album. I should know, I dropped the needle on it right after reading the article. I did not find the sound of hungry maggots, but in "your other man" i sure found the same kind of blues everyone's been raving about from John Lee Hooker. On the whole album, only "Part II" seemed close to the "catatonic howl" that Chausid writes about, and for that song it makes the point. hell, it's less than 2 minutes long! If the whole album sounded like that, I wouldn't like it. Then this morning I listened to 'New Town' on the way to work. I realized that you can judge a Jandek album like anyone elses. There were songs on 'New Town' that seemed inspired, like the first two, and the last one, and a few others (and you got to love that brook trout line...beefheart anybody?). But there were sone (like "it was only action") that seemed...not as inspired. Filler, I guess. JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER DAMN ARTIST I OWN. Some songs were better than others, in the end, it was a good, if not quite great, Jandek album. Most of his albums are like this. Some, like 'Blue Corpse' and 'Ready for the House' and 'Chair Beside a Window' are great albums. A few are lesser ( I don't have them all, so I can't say how many). Most have good stuff and bad stuff. Some are really interesting, like the second halves of 'Lost Cause' or 'The Beginning' (not to mention his new one, for Christ sake). they aren't my favorite albums, but they are trying for something completely different, JUST LIKE MANY OTHER ARTISTS. I think, in the end, that Jandek is not some bipolar autistic semi psychopathic savant. I think he's a fairly normal (if somewhat eccentric) guy. Look at the Kathy Vine interview. I've heard people point out the "you're a journalist but you grow snap beans" line as though he made it up and it shows how weird he is. But look closer at the article THEY HAD JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT GARDENING. Jandek was making a point that while Kathy was primarily a journalist, she did other things too that were unrelated. Look at the parts of Chausid's article that describe how he burned his manuscripts. Chausid uses it to make him look stranger, but I understand it. I'm a writer myself (6 published plays and many poems) and I know the frustration of rejection. He shifted gears is all. He's closer to a white collar Bukowski I think...working for a living and, because he doesn't depend on his art for money, making the kind of albums he wants to. Wallace Stevens (my fave poet) is praised a genius for this. So is Charles Ives. Sorry to go on for so long but I think it is a point worth making. Chausid damns his music as unlistenable, but "I Passed by Your Window" gives me chills everytime. So does "Ezekiel" and "Janitor's Dead" and the first two songs on "New Town" and many others. They are the sounds of a hillbilly in the Appalachians picking an old guitar and pouring his guts into it. He can't sing that well and he doesn't know how to tune it but there it is. Listen to the old Folkways recordings from the twenties. Jandek has brought that kind of front porch singing back. And the press damns him for being a freak. To hell with that. I think he's a good and interesting musician and I will keep buying his albums not because I think they're "Weird" or I like to freak people out but because they're interesting. And that's my twenty seven cents, ( sorry for the rant) Danen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4443 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 17:09:32 -0000 Received: from web10805.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.130.247) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 17:09:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20010718170932.41688.qmail@web10805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.184.136.231] by web10805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:09:32 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:09:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Danen Jobe Subject: Songs in the key of Z! Z! Z! To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I meant 'Songs in the Key of Z' of course. Damn that X files album! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Message-ID: <20010718172748.6048.qmail@cs.nwu.edu> Received: (qmail 6037 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 17:27:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO Godzilla.cs.nwu.edu) (tisue@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 17:27:47 -0000 Subject: Jandek website updated To: Jandek mailing list cc: Gerard Klauder , John Pham From: Seth Tisue Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:27:47 -0500 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk After a long period of inactivity, I've finally gotten a start on updating the Jandek website. There's still a lot of work to do (600+ E-mail messages from individuals and from this mailing list to cull info from, for example) but what I've done is make a "News" page for new stuff to go, just to get it all up there, and then gradually I'll try and move the new information out to the parts of the site it belongs in. But this way I can add new stuff without having to rewrite what's there (which I'm always putting off). Anyway, the news page is at: http://tisue.net/jandek/news.html so check it out and see if anything happened in the last few years that you missed. It's got links to various articles and websites, for instance. If I missed anything, let me know (although going through all that back E-mail is an ongoing process -- I apologize to anyone who wrote and didn't get a reply). Oh yeah: this weekend, a radio show called Studio 360 is airing a story about Jandek. I don't know yet what's in it but the reporter talked to me, Katy Vine, Irwin Chusid, et al -- don't know if he had any contact with Corwood! Check their website at studio360.org to see when it's being broadcast in your area -- I think by next week it will be available in RealAudio format, too. Seth seth@tisue.net http://tisue.net Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12199 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 18:58:16 -0000 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.6) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 18:58:16 -0000 Received: from Masseymail@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id f.a1.184d7d6e (15708) for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id05.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID55-0718145747; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:57:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:57:47 EDT From: Masseymail@aol.com Subject: Re: Jandek website updated To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk word is that corwood declined to be interviewed for the studio360 thing, as usual. bob m Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5106 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 01:43:38 -0000 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.6) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 Jul 2001 01:43:38 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id f.d1.98571eb (18563) for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:43:07 EDT Subject: Re: Jandek's not that strange To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Amen to that-how he gets this hyperbolic shit written about him I'll never know. A very refreshing email, might I say. It is interesting to note that Mojo magazine took Chusid to task for innacuracies in his book-and he WRITES for them. In fairness though, the "Jandek/Nancy Breakup" angle is no more accurate than Chusid's diatribes ;) You want kooky musicians-check out Behind The Music on VH1. In one episode, Jimmy Page dabbles in the occult! NCR Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27560 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 17:08:27 -0000 Received: from web10807.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.130.249) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 Jul 2001 17:08:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20010719170827.46373.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.184.136.226] by web10807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:08:27 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:08:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Danen Jobe Subject: Re: Jandek's not that strange / Jandek in the 60's To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Firstly, sorry about the many many misspellings, bad grammar etc (CHUSID, yes I knew that) in yesterday's rant. Also I wanted to point out something that surprised me. I happened upon the Music Hound rock guide the other day and was very very surprised to find they reviewed Jandek's albums (up to New Town). It sort of concretes the point I was trying to make (though I would have been a little nicer to 'Ready for the House') that the guy genuinely liked some and not others. At no point in the review did he call it all a bunch of unlistenable dross. He gave great reviews to 'Footsteps' and 'Telegraph Melts.' Lo and behold you can even find a solid 4 star review for 'Ready for the House' at www.allmusic.com. the cool thing here, i guess, is that these are mainstream music reviewers. Not Option or Trouser Press or even (shudder) Alternative press. And they are more objective to Jandek's music than Chusid is! Not to mention Kathy Vine, who I think does a flattering portrait of Jandek...but does she bother to mention how odd it is that she's combing public records and knocking on doors all over houston trying to sniff out a man who has asked politely to be left alone? That he gives her the time of day at all is more than most artists would do. Many take those people to court for stalking. I have the feeling that Jandek took her for a beer because he knew she was with the press and would continue the "elusive, bizarre Jandek" legend if he had run back inside and locked the doors, as any sane person would if a journalist showed up at his or her house uninvited having spent the better part of many months trying to find them. Okay, enough's enough. I'll sign this off by mentioning that I listened to "Hey Mister can you tell me" last night and decided that there is nothing there any stranger than what Dylan wrote in 'Blonde on Blonde...in fact I think it has some really insightful lyrics. Nothing nearly as strange as "Making Love to a Vampire with a Monkey on my Knee" but we all knew that. Oh, and to start a new thread maybe (jeez, I don't write to this list for like a year and now you can't shut me up) I wonder what the connection is between Jandek and the sixties? I noticed in the Chusid article he mentions John's drumming as being "like Ginger Baker." he covers "house of the rising sun" (really nicely) on Blue Corpse. His atonal take on the blues is not entirely unlike what the aforementioned Captain Beefheart intended when he recorded his mid to late sixties albums (check out 'Mirror Man Sessions' for instance. Compare it to say 'The Living end'). Maybe I'm going out on a limb here but there seems to me to be a connection. Any thoughts? Danen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 20473 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 23:13:28 -0000 Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.7) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 Jul 2001 23:13:28 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id r.a0.17731ba7 (7556); Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:12:46 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:12:46 EDT Subject: Re: Jandek's not that strange / Jandek in the 60's To: disappearingink@yahoo.com, jandek@cs.nwu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/19/01 1:09:07 PM, disappearingink@yahoo.com writes: << Okay, enough's enough. I'll sign this off by mentioning that I listened to "Hey Mister can you tell me" last night and decided that there is nothing there any stranger than what Dylan wrote in 'Blonde on Blonde... I heard Dylan on the radio today and this EXACT SAME THING occured to me. In fact I wonder how much of an influence Dylan has been on Jandek. This was brought up on the list a year or so ago...Definitely to some degree. As for the Ginger Baker thing--Alehouse Blues from One Foot In The North (later reprised as Cellar on Lost Cause) is basically Jandek doing "Crossroads". I know he did a lot of electric blues, but this song is like a total Cream parody except for the vocals. Don't know how many of y'all have heard it... Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 23645 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 23:59:15 -0000 Received: from fortune-rwcmta.excite.com (HELO fortune.excite.com) (198.3.99.203) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 Jul 2001 23:59:15 -0000 Received: from seamore.excite.com ([199.172.148.163]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010719235843.XIIN9521.fortune.excite.com@seamore.excite.com>; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:58:43 -0700 Message-ID: <19874911.995587123648.JavaMail.imail@seamore.excite.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:58:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Karlin To: NCR13@aol.com, jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: Jandek's not that strange / Jandek in the 60's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.233.56.250 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:12:46 EDT, NCR13@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/19/01 1:09:07 PM, disappearingink@yahoo.com writes: > << Okay, enough's enough. I'll sign this off by > mentioning that I listened to "Hey Mister can you tell > me" last night and decided that there is nothing there > any stranger than what Dylan wrote in 'Blonde on > Blonde... > > I heard Dylan on the radio today and this EXACT SAME THING occured to me. In > fact I wonder how much of an influence Dylan has been on Jandek. This was > brought up on the list a year or so ago...Definitely to some degree. > As for the Ginger Baker thing--Alehouse Blues from One Foot In The North > (later reprised as Cellar on Lost Cause) is basically Jandek doing > "Crossroads". I know he did a lot of electric blues, but this song is like a > total Cream parody except for the vocals. Don't know how many of y'all have > heard it... Yeah I agree with you. The Dylan influence in Jandek's music is there alright. Dylan is even mentioned by name on "Slinky Parade" (on "The Living End"). If what they say is true about Jandek being baby boomer age I'm not surprised. Dylan opened up people's minds in terms of songs with abstract, free-association lyrics. It would have been hard picking up a guitar any time in the midlate 60's thru the 70's and *not* felt his influence. But then I don't think it's a thing to make too big a deal of, really > Ron _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3948 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 10:16:39 -0000 Received: from pcow029o.blueyonder.co.uk (HELO blueyonder.co.uk) (195.188.53.123) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Jul 2001 10:16:39 -0000 Received: from nyro ([62.31.107.4]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:16:40 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c11429$478e3040$046b1f3e@nyro> Reply-To: "Jamie Morrison" From: "Jamie Morrison" To: Subject: More Jandek Sound Effects Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 02:01:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Am I going crazy, or is that a telephone ringing at the end of 'Quinn Boys II', on 'You Walk Alone'? Or is this just because I've got the mp3 version? Does anyone know if it's on the record? Just out of curiosity!! It'll probably be gone come the CD reissue anyway! Love Jamie Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 20745 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 22:41:35 -0000 Received: from f116.law3.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.241.116) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Jul 2001 22:41:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:41:08 -0700 Received: from 62.180.201.138 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:41:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.180.201.138] From: "Colin Meeder" To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Jandek is not alone... Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:41:08 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 22:41:08.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB437BE0:01C11491] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/johnpalexander/ I don't think this guy's kidding, either. Do two artists of the same generation equal a subgenre? C. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27815 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 00:39:27 -0000 Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.101) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 00:39:27 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id f.8b.9bc5ad3 (25100) for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:39:23 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <8b.9bc5ad3.288f6f3b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:39:23 EDT Subject: Re: Jandek is not alone... To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Now I'm not so jealous of all the Texans on the list--finally Massachusetts has its own Jandek, John Alexander! I don't think Jandek is a James Taylor fan though.... Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31119 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 01:34:02 -0000 Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (207.217.120.74) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 01:34:02 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.30] (sdn-ar-001txaustP022.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.30]) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08616 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:24:53 -0500 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: jason pierce Subject: Re: Jandek is not alone... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk did you read his biography? he's an idiot....and i quote >I am a Native American folk singer, who attempts to link special interest > groups (Woman, Veterans, Music Fans, Labor Unions, Athletes, Students and Every Day Equal Rights People) to the injustice > dealt Native Americans in form of genocide, land theft and cultural destruction. ........ then >as a modern family oriented liberal democrat atheletes?!!? did someone said something about him being a james taylor fan? [shudder] i don't know i think he is fith column, he makes any leftist political views sound so dorky. then he says he is a democrat? i don't think he actually knows what he is talking about...it sounds as if he's just glumming on to the native american thing because thats what folk singers are supposed to do or something. he's like too much of a goofy archetype or cliche or something. ~json >http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/johnpalexander/ > >I don't think this guy's kidding, either. Do two artists of the same generation equal a subgenre? > >C. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1191 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 02:13:28 -0000 Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.39) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 02:13:28 -0000 Received: from LiLiPUT1@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id l.95.dd50c40 (3972) for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:13:04 -0400 (EDT) From: LiLiPUT1@aol.com Message-ID: <95.dd50c40.288f8530@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:13:04 EDT Subject: Re: Jandek is not alone... To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk That's pretty fascinating. How did you stumble upon this guy? Kevin John Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4126 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 03:01:18 -0000 Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.5) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 03:01:18 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id f.38.1958c845 (2168); Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:00:38 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <38.1958c845.288f9056@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:00:38 EDT Subject: Re: Jandek is not alone... To: onyxmirr@earthlink.net, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/24/01 9:34:33 PM, onyxmirr@earthlink.net writes: << did someone said something about him being a james taylor fan? [shudder] >> Yes--but you have to go to his personal website to see that reference (the context it is in makes it even better) www.johnalexander.com The man obviously loved the smell of napalm in the morning a bit too much back in 'Nam. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 26413 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 08:36:25 -0000 Received: from f72.law3.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.241.72) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 08:36:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:35:59 -0700 Received: from 193.119.63.36 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:35:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.119.63.36] From: "Colin Meeder" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Jandek is not alone... Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:35:59 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 08:35:59.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[D47BB2A0:01C114E4] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Kevin John asked: >That's pretty fascinating. How did you stumble upon this guy? >From another mailing list, the mention of which makes certain Jandek fans foam at the mouth and start throwing things (i.e. the unofficially Irwin Chusid affiliated Outsider Music List). Mind you now -- I never said that this guy was as good as Jandek, or even good at all. As a matter of fact, hearing a much inferior (and obviously mentally damaged) performer working in more or less the same idiom as Jandek convinces me even more than Jandek is a terribly talented performer -- especially his lyrics -- and not mentally damaged. I subscribe now more than ever to the "genius with an eerily appropriate day job" theory. John Alexander sounds to me like the guy Irwin Chusid describes when he hears Jandek, only less frightening. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21616 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 15:10:31 -0000 Received: from rm05-24-167-185-17.ce.mediaone.net (HELO smtp.krod.org) (24.167.185.17) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 15:10:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 26616 invoked by uid 504); 25 Jul 2001 15:10:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 15:10:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:10:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "r.p.b." To: Subject: NPR Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Sorry if this has been mentioned on the list ... hadn't seen it myself. Someone I know said he heard Jandek profiled on an NPR last Friday ... I checked the archives, and couldn't find a mention of it. Ayone know more 'bout it? To quote my friend: "I hope some latte-licking soccer mom goes out and buys some Jandek records as a result." Ryan Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Message-ID: <20010725151238.22143.qmail@cs.nwu.edu> Received: (qmail 22134 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 15:12:37 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO Godzilla.cs.nwu.edu) (tisue@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 15:12:37 -0000 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: NPR From: Seth Tisue In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:10:07 CDT." Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:12:37 -0500 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >>>>> "r" == r p b writes: r> Sorry if this has been mentioned on the list ... hadn't seen it r> myself. Someone I know said he heard Jandek profiled on an NPR r> last Friday ... I checked the archives, and couldn't find a r> mention of it. Ayone know more 'bout it? To quote my friend: "I r> hope some latte-licking soccer mom goes out and buys some Jandek r> records as a result." You can now listen to the story online at: http://www.wnyc.org/new/Studio360/show.html (I haven't listened yet...) Seth seth@tisue.net http://tisue.net Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24783 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 15:40:09 -0000 Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (64.136.24.74) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 15:40:09 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"ki1X92maXV6QklUPABtL0RDU/mTclBhGuTR2d9RFKkrCc+xzmB+Tbw=="> Received: (from benthos@juno.com) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GA72RQH2; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:39:40 EDT To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:40:47 -0600 Subject: Re: Jandek is not alone... Message-ID: <20010725.094049.-377233.0.benthos@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7,9,11-14,25-28 From: Chris D Woodward Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:35:59 "Colin Meeder" writes: re: John Alexander: > Mind you now -- I never said that this guy was as good as Jandek, or > even good at all. As a matter of fact, hearing a much inferior (and > obviously mentally damaged) performer working in more or less the same idiom > as Jandek convinces me even more than Jandek is a terribly talented performer > -- especially his lyrics -- and not mentally damaged. I subscribe now > more than ever to the "genius with an eerily appropriate day job" > theory. I think you're right, this guy genuinely has problems that our man Jandek thankfully does not. which is, I think, very interesting - not so much because there are some really damaged people out there banging away on guitars, but because the average Jandek fan can actually tell the difference. Alexander's rambling, incongruent self-description indicates a rather creepy desperation to be heard, and the rambling political references are (ironically) a pretty sure sign of mental instability. what surprises me most of all, though, is that this guy has it together enough to have such a strong web presence - did anyone check out the linked http://www.johnalexander.com/ site? "enjoy lifetimes" indeed - this guy's writing reads like a bad translation. tres bizarre! Chris ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3314 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 18:14:56 -0000 Received: from mhub7.tc.umn.edu (?9jtBWziPGjMNCk5lsa2VB8g+rBeuTYz4?@160.94.151.218) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 18:14:56 -0000 Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu by mhub7.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:14:54 -0500 Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:14:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:14:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Charles Gillett To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Jim Collins In-Reply-To: <20010725151238.22143.qmail@cs.nwu.edu> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hi - I just got an e-mail from Aether-Or regarding a recently-discovered LP. An excerpt follows.... ------------------------------ JIM COLLINS "Music Performed by The High Mass" on the Prosper label is one of the best examples of "loner acid downer psychedelic folk" I have ever heard. References would likely include touches of Charlie Tweddle, Peter Grudzien, Skip Spence, Simon Finn, Bobb Trimble, etc. After playing the album over the phone for NYC psychedelic dealer Paul Major, Paul commented that it sounded like what a Jandek album might sound like if any of them were actually any good. Most importantly, unlike other "acid folk psych" records where you're left wondering where they might have hidden the "acid" and "psych" parts, the JIM COLLINS record is full of distorted and wah-wah electric guitar leads throughout both sides. ---------------------------------- He's selling them for $35 at . Hmm. How depressing to discover than none of my Jandek albums are any good. -- Charles Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 17525 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 21:38:06 -0000 Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (207.217.121.50) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 21:38:06 -0000 Received: from [63.210.219.125] (dialup-63.210.219.125.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net [63.210.219.125]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23003 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010725151238.22143.qmail@cs.nwu.edu> References: <20010725151238.22143.qmail@cs.nwu.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:37:27 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: daniel rios Subject: Re: NPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >You can now listen to the story online at: > > http://www.wnyc.org/new/Studio360/show.html > >(I haven't listened yet...) i listened to it sunday nite on wnyc am... it wasn't that good. i got confused between chusid's voice and the reporter's voice. katy vine does make an appearance, though, and it's kind of odd when she comes on, as i recall. though nothing really new, it's nice to see jandek get some more exposure... *dar Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 23361 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 23:13:14 -0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.37) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 23:13:14 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id l.11b.20f393a (2177) for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:11:02 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <11b.20f393a.2890ac06@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:11:02 EDT Subject: Re: Jim Collins To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk True...it has always disappointed me that the Jandek discography features no wah-wah guitar leads whatsoever. NCR In a message dated 7/25/01 2:15:08 PM, gill0042@tc.umn.edu writes: << Paul commented that it sounded like what a Jandek album might sound like if any of them were actually any good. Most importantly, unlike other "acid folk psych" records where you're left wondering where they might have hidden the "acid" and "psych" parts, the JIM COLLINS record is full of distorted and wah-wah electric guitar leads throughout both sides. >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Message-ID: <20010726044806.9454.qmail@cs.nwu.edu> Received: (qmail 9443 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 04:48:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO Godzilla.cs.nwu.edu) (tisue@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Jul 2001 04:48:05 -0000 Subject: Studio 360 story To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Seth Tisue Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:48:05 -0500 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk A few quotes from the interviews in the Studio 360 piece: Irwin Chusid: "I was kind of repulsed by the album [Ready For the House]. I mean, I had never heard anything this repellent, this unashamedly talentless. So naturally, I was intrigued!" - Irwin Chusid Chusid again: "He has 29 albums now. He's the equivalent of a tree that's fallen in the forest -- 29 times." The reporter, Michael May, says that he wrote to Corwood asking for an interview and the one line response written on the catalog he got in return said: "Your letter reads like a story or song. The imagery. - Corwood" Byron Coley: "Those who don't believe... [laughs] They just don't get it. They're just squares." Katy Vine: "He was really nice. He seemed to be in a good mood. He wouldn't say that it was him, but he would say that the secrecy issue wasn't important, that the identity of the person making the music isn't important, the only thing that was important was the body of work." May reports that she had trouble reconciling the "courteous suburban yuppie" she met with his "mournful, introspective" music: "I can't visualize him making [the music]. I can't visualize anyone making it. He's more mysterious now that I've met him!" Seth seth@tisue.net http://tisue.net Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15955 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 06:50:42 -0000 Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.103) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Jul 2001 06:50:42 -0000 Received: from Jwmojohand@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id l.128.1fb58bc (3925) for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:50:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Jwmojohand@aol.com Message-ID: <128.1fb58bc.289117bc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:50:36 EDT Subject: Re: Jandek is not alone... To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_128.1fb58bc.289117bc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --part1_128.1fb58bc.289117bc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Alexander is clearly in the retarded-singer-songwriter category. If this were something unique, it would at least be a good curiosity piece. But I can testify, as a South Bend, IN record store worker of 10+ years, that every city has three or four of these types, who are probably the combination of a little bit of college and a lot of LSD. Every so often, some aged hippie will stumble into my store with a CD for consignment, and it'll have that "cracked/bedroom" smell about it. My initial reaction, as usual, is "geez I gotta listen to this, maybe it's a lost classic of spastic outsider mysticism." Almost invariably, it's a 4-track hiss disaster, bedroom Buddhism drenched in clueless gtr-strum execution. This Alexander is surely a cut above yr average "I know about D.I.Y. and I majored in Philosophy" nerdist rocker, and I'd surely catch a live gig, if only to observe the reactions of the rest of the audience when Alexander does his "thing." --and as far as the radio thing is concerned, Irwin Chusid was a surprise disappointment: the way he used the word "talentless" implied that he got into Jandek on a merely "so bad it's good" level, which is obviously a ponce angle, and surely not Chusid's real stance. Byron Coley, thankfully, was there to save the day with his reference to the importance of a YOU VS. JANDEK one-on-one session, where you confront the artist's music directly. No one I know has regretted that experience, and it's the purest testimony to our man's compelling vision and genius. -- Jack Walton, South Bend Hermetic Music Society --part1_128.1fb58bc.289117bc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    John Alexander is clearly in the retarded-singer-songwriter category. If
this were something unique, it would at least be a good curiosity piece. But
I can testify, as a South Bend, IN record store worker of 10+ years, that
every city has three or four of these types, who are probably the combination
of a little bit of college and a lot of LSD. Every so often, some aged hippie
will stumble into my store with a CD for consignment, and it'll have that
"cracked/bedroom" smell about it. My initial reaction, as usual, is "geez I
gotta listen to this, maybe it's a lost classic of spastic outsider
mysticism." Almost invariably, it's a 4-track hiss disaster, bedroom Buddhism
drenched in clueless gtr-strum execution. This Alexander is surely a cut
above yr average "I know about D.I.Y. and I majored in Philosophy" nerdist
rocker, and I'd surely catch a live gig, if only to observe the reactions of
the rest of the audience when Alexander does his "thing."

--and as far as the radio thing is concerned, Irwin Chusid was a surprise
disappointment: the way he used the word "talentless" implied that he got
into Jandek on a merely "so bad it's good" level, which is obviously a ponce
angle, and surely not Chusid's real stance. Byron Coley, thankfully, was
there to save the day with his reference to the importance of a YOU VS.
JANDEK one-on-one session, where you confront the artist's music directly. No
one I know has regretted that experience, and it's the purest testimony to
our man's compelling vision and genius.

                  -- Jack Walton, South Bend Hermetic Music Society --part1_128.1fb58bc.289117bc_boundary-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16510 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 15:40:18 -0000 Received: from ewey-rwcmta.excite.com (HELO ewey.excite.com) (198.3.99.191) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Jul 2001 15:40:18 -0000 Received: from speedy.excite.com ([199.172.152.78]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010726153947.QJDJ4973.ewey.excite.com@speedy.excite.com> for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:39:47 -0700 Message-ID: <30622224.996161987159.JavaMail.imail@speedy.excite.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:39:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Karlin To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: "Basement psych" weirdos etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.233.56.250 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk First of all thanks to whoever put that link up for the John Alexander site. That guy is clearly an off-kilter nutbar, no posturing at all. I think he's found a new fan in me. I'm up for hearing music by whacked-out loners any day. But as has been mentioned, this is NOT the same thing as music made by self-conscious record-collecting college nerds. That whole thing with "outsider psych" artists or what have you is usually collector scum overkill but there are a couple that I know of that are worth hearing: Stone Harbour "Emerge"- midwestern duo from the early 70's. These guys were idiot savant brilliant, and they wrote great (off-key) songs Oliver "Standing Stone"- early 70's again, a loner type from the UK. Not Jandek-like really (nowhere near that good) but the slightly off-kiler wahwah lonely white boy blues he makes are pretty special. Both of the LP's have been bootlegged on CD and I've seen them floating around used both in the real world and online so keep a lookout... P.S. Irwin Chusid is a fuckhead. It there was no Jandek or Shaggs he would have no subject matter and no book and no one would give a rat's ass about his smarmy snotty opinion. So Chuspuss should if anything be thanking Jandek. cordially, ron _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11591 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 22:41:27 -0000 Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.103) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Jul 2001 22:41:27 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id o.18.fe3923b (3703); Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:41:20 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <18.fe3923b.2891f68f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:41:19 EDT Subject: Re: "Basement psych" weirdos etc. To: eckankore@excite.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Isn't it time somebody wrote a derogatory and condescending article about Chusid? Would it be that hard? In a message dated 7/26/01 11:40:48 AM, eckankore@excite.com writes: << P.S. Irwin Chusid is a fuckhead. It there was no Jandek or Shaggs he would have no subject matter and no book and no one would give a rat's ass about his smarmy snotty opinion. So Chuspuss should if anything be thanking Jandek. >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14396 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 23:20:50 -0000 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (207.217.121.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Jul 2001 23:20:50 -0000 Received: from [64.152.166.34] (dialup-64.152.166.34.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net [64.152.166.34]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00636 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <18.fe3923b.2891f68f@aol.com> References: <18.fe3923b.2891f68f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:20:15 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: daniel rios Subject: Re: "Basement psych" weirdos etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >Isn't it time somebody wrote a derogatory and condescending article about >Chusid? >Would it be that hard? now, now. i too dislike chusid, but his article in WFMU's Least Common Denominaor Magazine is how i heard of Jandek. The article was an excerpt from the book, giving a lukewarm review towards Jandek. How many of us on this list have NOT heard of Jandek through chusid? *daniel Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16217 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 23:50:28 -0000 Received: from f28.law4.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.149.28) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Jul 2001 23:50:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:50:01 -0700 Received: from 216.232.232.123 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:50:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.232.232.123] From: "josh ." To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: "Basement psych" weirdos etc. Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:50:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 23:50:01.0798 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF919E60:01C1162D] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Its pretty unfortunate that he treats a lot of these people as novelty acts and not as individuals that have a totally different slant on music and art. They don't want to be involved in a community. Jandek is way beyond most music today. It doesn't even real have a time. Its what makes it so beautiful. I sight the 2nd side of "Your Turn to Fall" as probably the best modern folklore I've ever heard. >Isn't it time somebody wrote a derogatory and condescending article about >Chusid? >Would it be that hard? > >In a message dated 7/26/01 11:40:48 AM, eckankore@excite.com writes: > ><< P.S. Irwin Chusid is a fuckhead. It there was no Jandek or Shaggs he >would >have no subject matter and no book and no one would give a rat's ass about >his smarmy snotty opinion. So Chuspuss should if anything be thanking >Jandek. >> > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19224 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 00:32:54 -0000 Received: from 209-23-48-90.ip.termserv.net (HELO mhonline.net) (209.23.48.90) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 00:32:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 16335 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 00:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mhonline.net) ([209.23.50.109]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.mhonline.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Jul 2001 00:36:44 -0000 Message-ID: <3B60B664.F643099C@mhonline.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:31:32 -0400 From: nevermor@mhonline.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jandek@cs.northwestern.edu" Subject: [ "Basement psych" weirdos etc.] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E3E21D7D1697F6AE915F15BB" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E3E21D7D1697F6AE915F15BB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------E3E21D7D1697F6AE915F15BB Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3B60B632.ECE6B8A4@mhonline.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:30:42 -0400 From: nevermor@mhonline.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NCR13@aol.com Subject: Re: "Basement psych" weirdos etc. References: <18.fe3923b.2891f68f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit M mmm, I hate to admit it.. (I Think) but the reason I discovered Jandek was through Irwin. I thought jandek might be right up my alley. And he was. I actually bought Irwan's book in the hope that it contained some information about Jowe Head or the Television Personalities. They have both been on his show soley and together, and I really like both. Anyone else a fan of them? NCR13@aol.com wrote: > Isn't it time somebody wrote a derogatory and condescending article about > Chusid? > Would it be that hard? > > In a message dated 7/26/01 11:40:48 AM, eckankore@excite.com writes: > > << P.S. Irwin Chusid is a fuckhead. It there was no Jandek or Shaggs he would > have no subject matter and no book and no one would give a rat's ass about > his smarmy snotty opinion. So Chuspuss should if anything be thanking > Jandek. >> --------------E3E21D7D1697F6AE915F15BB-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22496 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 01:31:08 -0000 Received: from f57.law4.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.149.57) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 01:31:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:30:41 -0700 Received: from 142.179.4.100 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:30:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.179.4.100] From: "josh ." To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: "Basement psych" weirdos etc. Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:30:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 01:30:41.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF5959B0:01C1163B] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I would think a lot of us have heard Jandek long before Chudid's book. I heard him when I was 14 volunteering at a radio station in Northern Canada. They have about the entire vinyl collection there. The man liked to spead his seeds. They were planted in me. >How many of us on this list have NOT heard of Jandek through chusid? > >*daniel _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 23421 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 01:41:35 -0000 Received: from smtp.ca.inter.net (38.210.35.210) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 01:41:35 -0000 Received: from ip18.ottawa18.dialup.canada.psi.net ([154.11.100.18]) by smtp.ca.inter.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15PwdK-0001qP-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:41:42 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:41:13 -0400 Subject: Where'd you pick up on Jandek? From: "Sam M." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I first heard of Jandek via John Trubee's article in issue 5 of SPIN, waay back in 1985, and later through the Coley/Johnson raves in Forced Exposure. These ultimately prompted me to actually buy some of his stuff. This was all 10 years before I read Chusid's WFMU article online... on 7/26/01 9:30 PM, josh . at magneticring@hotmail.com wrote: > I would think a lot of us have heard Jandek long before Chudid's book. I > heard him when I was 14 volunteering at a radio station in Northern Canada. > They have about the entire vinyl collection there. The man liked to spead > his seeds. They were planted in me. > > >> How many of us on this list have NOT heard of Jandek through chusid? >> >> *daniel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 25154 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 02:05:23 -0000 Received: from jhuml3.jhu.edu (128.220.2.66) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 02:05:23 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.jhuml3.jhu.edu by jhuml3.jhu.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #47562) id <0GH400I010GYN0@jhuml3.jhu.edu> for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from circ04.mse.jhu.edu (circ04.mse.jhu.edu [128.220.8.56]) by jhuml3.jhu.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #47562) id <0GH400I010GYMY@jhuml3.jhu.edu> (original mail from lgielec@mse.jhu.edu) for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from circ04.mse.jhu.edu (circ04.mse.jhu.edu [128.220.8.56]) by jhuml3.jhu.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #47562) with ESMTP id <0GH400I4U0GY8L@jhuml3.jhu.edu> for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:05:18 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Linda Gielec Subject: Re: "Basement psych" weirdos etc. In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: lgielec@flux.mse.jhu.edu To: "josh ." Cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i'd randomly taped an unknown, but most beautifully & perfecly mournful, clip of song off the university of de's wvud radio station in about 1995. after being mesmerized by the taped bit of song for nearly a year, i played the still unidentified bit for an old music wiz friend of mine in hopes that he'd know what it was. and, low and behold, i was introduced to the ephemeral Jandek! =]. apparently the song was something off one foot in the north. i've still yet to hear the whole album...or the entire song. someone a wvud stole all the jandek lps before i got my brief stint as a wvud dj. so, thats how i found jandek, sans choseed, or whatever his name is. *linda g... the doily girl of a few years ago...and i still feel bad about the missing purple doily!* On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, josh . wrote: > I would think a lot of us have heard Jandek long before Chudid's book. I > heard him when I was 14 volunteering at a radio station in Northern Canada. > They have about the entire vinyl collection there. The man liked to spead > his seeds. They were planted in me. > > > >How many of us on this list have NOT heard of Jandek through chusid? > > > >*daniel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 26227 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 02:19:12 -0000 Received: from newmail1.one.net (HELO us.net) (qmailr@216.23.22.181) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 02:19:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 10740 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jul 2001 02:18:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oemcomputer) (216.23.122.118) by newmail1.one.net with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 02:18:58 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01c11643$338293e0$8208e40a@oemcomputer> From: "atholbrose" To: References: Subject: Re: Where'd you pick up on Jandek? Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:24:02 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >> on 7/26/01 9:30 PM, josh . at magneticring@hotmail.com wrote: >> How many of us on this list have NOT heard of Jandek through chusid? >"Sam M." wrote: > I first heard of Jandek via John Trubee's article in issue 5 of SPIN, > waay back in 1985, and later through the Coley/Johnson raves in Forced > Exposure. These ultimately prompted me to actually buy some of his > stuff. This was all 10 years before I read Chusid's WFMU article > online... For me, it was a thread on Salon's Table Talk called -- forgive me -- "Unlistenable Crap". I did the same thing with this thread that I did with the one about books people hated -- promptly investigated a lot of them and bought quite a few. It didn't quite work that way with music, but I was intrigued by Jandek, through Seth's web site and Ian Kasley's music samples. Then someone mentioned Chusid's book, which sounded fascinating, so I bought it at the local bookstore. I find it hard reading, really; while the really awful musicians are worth a giggle, I find it hard to find any sort of amusement in mental problems. Wesley Willis, for example, I can't listen to. I just read it in short chunks. Anyhow, I just today got my first 3 Jandek CDs, from Forced Exposure (where I'm not likely to order again; sending me an e-mail on the 18th telling me my package has been shipped and charging my card and then actually shipping the package on the 25th is NOT a good way to get me to order from you again) -- Ready for the House, Your Turn To Fall, and The Beginning. (Graven Image was out of stock, alas.) Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29386 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 03:19:37 -0000 Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.102) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 03:19:37 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id l.102.667bde0 (17085) for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:19:33 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <102.667bde0.289237c4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:19:32 EDT Subject: Re: Where'd you pick up on Jandek? To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Got Lost Cause for free at a Taco Bell grand opening celebration in Ithaca, NY. It was over a year old and had never been opened. I kept it for a few years before I opened it-but it sat prominently on my mantle, and my friends and I would often wonder what it sounded like. Later I found out he had more than one LP (through the Rollerderby "record cover review" of Somebody in the Snow, ironically). Soon after, a friend of mine found The Living End at a church rummage sale. On my school's indie radio show, I mentioned that at the end of the year there would be a Jandek album-opening celebration on the air, not that I thought anyone listening would care...But immediately an anonymous caller phoned in to tell me I had a lot of guts to be playing Jandek on the radio. He had tried to do the same years earlier but found it an uncomfortable experience. However, he could not give me an accurate description of what it sounded like at all...the only word was "sparse". So after that, I wanted to make the Jandek opening an even bigger deal, but to make a long story short it never happened. Soon after that, I was working at Tower and their free monthly mag had one of Chusid's articles about "musical savants", including Jandek (described as a "mumbling sleepwalker playing a tennis racket" if I remember correctly). Considering he was lumped in with hipster kitsch like Tiny Tim and Wesley, it just sounded kind of lame to be honest. Then at some point in '98 I found Seth's site and decided to open up Lost Cause after all. Got some friends together and played it...but what happened was my friend put it on the turntable B-side first-"The Electric End", perhaps the most atypical Jandek track prior to his latest a capella LP. I was SO pissed off, because after 5 years of waiting, I was now hearing the album out of sequence. The damage was done, so I just flipped it over and started from the beginning. And it ended up being pretty damn cool. Now here I am, 22 albums deep....And I have never understood what Chusid's agenda is for writing what he does about Jandek. Is it because there are enough books out there that are "just" about Syd Barrett, so he needs to pad his own with other "loonies" of his own creation? I dunno, but bottom like is he sucks... Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29835 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 03:20:32 -0000 Received: from ewey-rwcmta.excite.com (HELO ewey.excite.com) (198.3.99.191) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 03:20:32 -0000 Received: from baldy.excite.com ([199.172.148.228]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010727032000.UTRW4973.ewey.excite.com@baldy.excite.com> for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:20:00 -0700 Message-ID: <26604941.996204000181.JavaMail.imail@baldy.excite.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:20:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Karlin To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Where'd you pick up on Jandek? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.255.239.244 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I first heard of Jandek cause there was that issue of Forced Exposure back in 95 or so with Chris Knox on the cover and they were selling Jandek records for five bucks apiece and I was intrigued so I bought "Twelth Apostle". I really didn't know what to make of it. I didn't listen to it much and it stayed in the back of my collection. Then Disinformation.com did a dossier on him a couple of years ago and I listened to the files on the Kasley site and that made my drag out Twelth Apostle and I was hooked. That's still my favorite Jandek album... I hate Chusid as you know but I have to admit he is funny in a condescending kind of way The chapter on the Cherry Sisters was pretty damn funny. But those comments he made about Jandek- he deserves a face full of teeth for that... On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:24:02 -0400, atholbrose wrote: > > >> on 7/26/01 9:30 PM, josh . at magneticring@hotmail.com wrote: > >> How many of us on this list have NOT heard of Jandek through chusid? > >"Sam M." wrote: > > I first heard of Jandek via John Trubee's article in issue 5 of SPIN, > > waay back in 1985, and later through the Coley/Johnson raves in Forced > > Exposure. These ultimately prompted me to actually buy some of his > > stuff. This was all 10 years before I read Chusid's WFMU article > > online... > > For me, it was a thread on Salon's Table Talk called -- forgive me -- > "Unlistenable Crap". I did the same thing with this thread that I did with > the one about books people hated -- promptly investigated a lot of them and > bought quite a few. It didn't quite work that way with music, but I was > intrigued by Jandek, through Seth's web site and Ian Kasley's music samples. > > Then someone mentioned Chusid's book, which sounded fascinating, so I bought > it at the local bookstore. I find it hard reading, really; while the really > awful musicians are worth a giggle, I find it hard to find any sort of > amusement in mental problems. Wesley Willis, for example, I can't listen to. > I just read it in short chunks. > > Anyhow, I just today got my first 3 Jandek CDs, from Forced Exposure (where > I'm not likely to order again; sending me an e-mail on the 18th telling me > my package has been shipped and charging my card and then actually shipping > the package on the 25th is NOT a good way to get me to order from you > again) -- Ready for the House, Your Turn To Fall, and The Beginning. (Graven > Image was out of stock, alas.) > > _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31067 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 03:40:30 -0000 Received: from kuku-rwcmta.excite.com (HELO kuku.excite.com) (198.3.99.63) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 03:40:30 -0000 Received: from baldy.excite.com ([199.172.148.228]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010727034003.MGAL22587.kuku.excite.com@baldy.excite.com> for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:40:03 -0700 Message-ID: <8877775.996205203342.JavaMail.imail@baldy.excite.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:40:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Karlin To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Jandek is not alone... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.255.239.244 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Regarding Mr. Alexander: I don't know if this guy's mentally challenged or what, but his voice is extremely eerie and his music just gives me the willies. I can't think of too many other living artists I could say that about...except Jandek of course Not that this is anything but a bizarre cosmic coincidence but there's a marked similarity between JA's "Don't Worry Dear,Bleeding Hills Are Near" and "Yellow Pages" on "One Foot in the North". I think he should be signed to Corwood... ron On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:24:53 -0500, jason pierce wrote: > did you read his biography? he's an idiot....and i quote > > >I am a Native American folk singer, who attempts to link special interest > > groups (Woman, Veterans, Music Fans, Labor Unions, Athletes, Students and Every Day Equal Rights People) to the injustice > > dealt Native Americans in form of genocide, land theft and cultural destruction. ........ > > then > > >as a modern family oriented liberal democrat > > atheletes?!!? > > did someone said something about him being a james taylor fan? [shudder] > i don't know i think he is fith column, he makes any leftist political views > sound so dorky. then he says he is a democrat? i don't think he actually knows what > he is talking about...it sounds as if he's just glumming on to the native american > thing because thats what folk singers are supposed to do or something. he's like > too much of a goofy archetype or cliche or something. > > ~json > > > > > >http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/johnpalexander/ > > > >I don't think this guy's kidding, either. Do two artists of the same generation equal a subgenre? > > > >C. > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31981 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 03:52:51 -0000 Received: from f238.law8.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.238) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 03:52:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:52:24 -0700 Received: from 65.3.159.24 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:52:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.3.159.24] From: "aerick duckhugger" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: "Basement psych" weirdos etc. Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:52:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 03:52:24.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B8D8660:01C1164F] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk

(danielrios@earthlink.net wrote....)
How many of us on this list have NOT heard of Jandek through chusid?

(i reply...)
I heard about Jandek first from KAOS, a local station that has a nice little collection of some Jandek LPs and CDs.... I didn't find out about Irwin Chusid till later on, eh.

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Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 32393 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 03:53:15 -0000 Received: from host5.inviteinternet.com (209.239.38.74) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 03:53:15 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (adsl-141-158-71-194.pittpa.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.158.71.194]) by host5.inviteinternet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f6R3r7T13153 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:53:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <18.fe3923b.2891f68f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:52:42 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: "Basement psych" weirdos etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk At 7:20 PM -0400 7/26/01, daniel rios wrote: >How many of us on this list have NOT heard of Jandek through chusid? For me, it was Byron Coley's discography in SPIN many years back. -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2127 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 04:09:56 -0000 Received: from cascadia.drizzle.com (root@216.162.192.17) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 04:09:56 -0000 Received: from default.newsguy.com (mud44.drizzle.com [216.162.193.59]) by cascadia.drizzle.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6R49sw13018 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:09:55 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010726210522.02784980@pop.newsguy.com> X-Sender: crgre00@pop.newsguy.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:10:14 -0700 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Peter Willard Subject: Re: Where'd you pick up on Jandek? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk At 09:41 PM 7/26/01 -0400, you wrote: > >> How many of us on this list have NOT heard of Jandek through chusid? Back in '87, when I was the bad college type of person mentioned previously. I just liked the cover photos. I played "The Cat Who Walked From Shelbyville" on my college radio show repeatedly. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6775 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 05:30:43 -0000 Received: from kiwi.negia.net (206.61.0.5) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 05:30:43 -0000 Received: from [208.30.15.108] (b7ppp108.negia.net [208.30.15.108]) by kiwi.negia.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6R5SQ217485 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:28:26 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:31:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Where'd you pick up on Jandek? From: Nick Phillips To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <102.667bde0.289237c4@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk for me it was the discography in the zine badaboom gramaphone, which did an issue on "bands not in the trouser press guide to alternative rock," or something like that. i think seth tisue did the discography? in any case, it made him sound weird enough that i picked a CD at random from the 10 or so they had at this NYC record store and it was all downhill from there... nick ++++++++++++++++ +nick phillips +452 atlanta ave. +athens, ga 30601 +706.208.1181 +http://f-matic.net +----------->modular arts network ++++++++++++++++ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 7574 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 05:41:45 -0000 Received: from mail.rpi.edu (128.113.22.40) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 05:41:45 -0000 Received: from cortez.sss.rpi.edu (cortez.sss.rpi.edu [128.113.113.33]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6R5fia74870 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:41:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (murphj@localhost) by cortez.sss.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA87280 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:41:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: murphj owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:41:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Baby Lemonade X-Sender: murphj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Where'd you pick up on Jandek? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I had heard much about him from various email lists and had heard him name-dropped by many diferent artists (the first being Kurt Cobain a ways back in Spin). I happened across "Graven Image" in the used bin at a local Albany, NY record store recently and was hooked. As we speak, an $80 check sits in front of me, ready to go off and get me the rest of the CDs (I can't wait)... Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10824 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 06:39:47 -0000 Received: from f4.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.4) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 06:39:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:39:19 -0700 Received: from 63.25.2.38 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 06:39:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.25.2.38] From: "Colin Andrew Sheffield" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: I first heard about Jandek.... Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:39:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 06:39:19.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD63B920:01C11666] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I'd heard Jandek's name and "legend" for a long, long time before I ever actually listened to his music. I eventually happened upon a sealed copy of each of the "You Walk Alone" and "Lost Cause" LPs (which I, of course, immediately bought). I've been a fan ever since. To be perfectly honest though, it was more intrigue than aesthetics that got me interested in Jandek. Don't get me wrong, I like his recordings very much (and his music, of course, is what keeps me coming back for more). However, I have to wonder what I might have thought of Jandek had he initially been introduced to me as a touring artist who was signed to Sub Pop or something.... Any thoughts? What role does the Jandek "mystique" play in your appreciation of him? PS - I, too, am a huge Television Personalities fan. I'm not so much into Jowe Head, but a lot of the early TVPs stuff is some of my favorite music of all time. Dan Treacy (of the TVPs) might be considered an "acid casualty" alongside the likes of Syd Barrett and/or Alexander "Skip" Spence, yet his name never really pops up.... Perhaps he isn't mysterious enough. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2560 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 13:01:32 -0000 Received: from 209-23-48-90.ip.termserv.net (HELO mhonline.net) (209.23.48.90) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 13:01:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 7414 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 13:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mhonline.net) ([209.23.50.192]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.mhonline.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Jul 2001 13:05:43 -0000 Message-ID: <3B6165D8.93A224FA@mhonline.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:00:09 -0400 From: nevermor@mhonline.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Where'd you pick up on Jandek? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Baby Lemonade wrote: > As we speak, an > $80 check sits in front of me, ready to go off and get me the rest of the > CDs (I can't wait)... I sent in my money order for $80 just over a week ago. Does anyone know how long it usually take to receive the package? Does he ship the 20 cds via media mail as he does with single titles? Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3700 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 13:16:58 -0000 Received: from web11301.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.131.204) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 13:16:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727131658.78381.qmail@web11301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.79.204.2] by web11301.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 06:16:58 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 06:16:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Subject: Re: Where'd you pick up on Jandek? To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Same here. A roommate of mine went out and bought Telegraph Melts and we all loved it. By the way, will they ever print Forced Exposure again? I still have a few issues in my subscription? At 09:41 PM 7/26/01 -0400, you wrote: I first heard of Jandek via John Trubee's article in issue 5 of SPIN, waay back in 1985, and later through the Coley/Johnson raves in Forced Exposure. These ultimately prompted me to actually buy some of his stuff. This was all 10 years before I read Chusid's WFMU article online... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4131 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 13:17:49 -0000 Received: from web13208.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.174.193) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 13:17:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727131748.22926.qmail@web13208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.177.59.149] by web13208.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 06:17:48 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 06:17:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "M.B." Subject: Re: Corwood Ordering To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <3B6165D8.93A224FA@mhonline.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- nevermor@mhonline.net wrote: > > > Baby Lemonade wrote: > > > As we speak, an > > $80 check sits in front of me, ready to go off and > get me the rest of the > > CDs (I can't wait)... > > I sent in my money order for $80 just over a week > ago. Does anyone know how > long it usually take to receive the package? Does he > ship the 20 cds via > media mail as he does with single titles? > > I think this question should be the first in what Seth could create as the "Jandek FAQ". I've ordered from Corwood dozens of times and it has always taken a flat two weeks. I also don't recommend preordering the new releases either, unless you're on the sterling smith VIP list and gets a cd at random upon arrival. ps: I never order the jandek titles from forced exposure, also coupled with the fact that the service I received there was below average and I waited over 3 weeks for a confirmed order from a money order they claimed they hadnt received in two weeks..... pps: Any new information about "This narrow road"?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4763 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 13:21:17 -0000 Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.8) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 13:21:17 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id l.125.24da782 (25509) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:20:44 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <125.24da782.2892c4ac@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:20:44 EDT Subject: TVPs To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Is Dan Treacy really an acid casualty? I never got that impression-but then again where has he been for the past 4-5 years? I actually heard a "Where's Dan Treacy Now" song on the radio recently... In a message dated 7/27/01 2:40:09 AM, eeaoa@hotmail.com writes: << Dan Treacy (of the TVPs) might be considered an "acid casualty" alongside the likes of Syd Barrett and/or Alexander "Skip" Spence, yet his name never really pops up.... Perhaps he isn't mysterious enough. >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5298 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 13:29:12 -0000 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.161) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 13:29:12 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id l.d7.9d89e09 (25509) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:28:41 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:28:40 EDT Subject: Re: Where'd you pick up on Jandek? To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/27/01 1:42:07 AM, murphj@rpi.edu writes: << I had heard much about him from various email lists and had heard him name-dropped by many diferent artists (the first being Kurt Cobain a ways back in Spin). >> Yeah, the Kurt quote is actually the first place I heard of him, come to think of it... but I had forgotten who he was talking about by the time I got my first Jandek LP. I could remember the whole quote except for the artist. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6972 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 13:57:05 -0000 Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (HELO albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.120) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 13:57:05 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.143] (sdn-ar-002txaustP031.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.143]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09551 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 06:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:48:06 -0500 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: jason pierce Subject: re:wher'd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i picked up "cellophane.." at s.exchange in austin for 5$. i can't remember if i had heard of him prior to that. .....but ever since then i have been an everyday equal rights person that tries to link atheletes to the injustices dealt native americans..... i also enjoy lifetimes. ~json Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8326 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 14:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.easynet.co.uk) (212.135.67.194) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 14:10:21 -0000 Received: from jt5ij [212.135.67.197] (jamesk@poptones.co.uk); Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:17:44 +0100 X-WM-Posted-At: smtp.easynet.co.uk; Fri, 27 Jul 01 15:17:44 +0100 Message-ID: <01d401c116a6$c842fca0$c54387d4@jt5ij> Reply-To: "James Kyllo" From: "James Kyllo" To: References: <125.24da782.2892c4ac@aol.com> Subject: Re: TVPs Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:16:52 +0100 Organization: Poptones MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk No, he's not. Dan is a heroin casualty. Last I heard he was living in the YMCA near Tottenham Court Road station in London. James ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: TVPs > Is Dan Treacy really an acid casualty? I never got that impression-but then > again where has he been for the past 4-5 years? I actually heard a "Where's > Dan Treacy Now" song on the radio recently... > > In a message dated 7/27/01 2:40:09 AM, eeaoa@hotmail.com writes: > > << Dan Treacy (of the TVPs) might be considered an "acid casualty" > alongside the likes of Syd Barrett and/or Alexander "Skip" Spence, yet his > name never really pops up.... > Perhaps he isn't mysterious enough. >> > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9677 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 14:21:19 -0000 Received: from 209-23-48-90.ip.termserv.net (HELO mhonline.net) (209.23.48.90) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 14:21:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 20340 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 14:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mhonline.net) ([209.23.55.166]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.mhonline.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Jul 2001 14:25:34 -0000 Message-ID: <3B617888.C289EEA1@mhonline.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:19:52 -0400 From: nevermor@mhonline.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: TVPs References: <125.24da782.2892c4ac@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk NCR13@aol.com wrote: > Is Dan Treacy really an acid casualty? I never got that impression-but then > again where has he been for the past 4-5 years? The last time Dan Treacy ever played live was in June of 1996, it was at the Dublin Castle. I've got a recording of that gig and it's quite sad. It was a "benefit" for Matthew Fletcher, the drummer of Heavenly who had killed himself. Acid casualty? No, but something else.... As James at Poptones has mentioned. Hey James say hi to Lee! > I actually heard a "Where's > Dan Treacy Now" song on the radio recently... That would mostly be the song I don't know where Dan Treacy Lives by the Mr. T Experience. Quite touching tribute. The song it self is a take off of the TVPs song I Know Where Syd Barrett Lives. It's great to know there are other TVP fans on this list! Anyone into trading tapes? Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19059 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 16:47:09 -0000 Received: from law2-f120.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.120) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 16:47:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:46:43 -0700 Received: from 192.107.43.130 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:46:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [192.107.43.130] From: "genuine gold-tone ranking monkey" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Where'd you pick up on Jandek? Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:46:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2001 16:46:43.0061 (UTC) FILETIME=[B727AA50:01C116BB] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >How many of us on this list have NOT heard of Jandek through chusid? i discovered him through various reviews and catalog descriptions; i think i saw about 20 forced exposure listings that said "an almost jandek-ian sense of despair" or something in regard to things that i liked before some synapse feebly snapped to life in my brain and i thought, "hey? who the fuck is jandek?!" and one day at the princeton record exchange i found a couple of LPs (i think they were backup copies from some college station, not WPRB though) and bought _blue corpse_. $10 and worth every penny... -b. [ radio, record label, reviews - http://aum.homestead.com/ ] "I don't want harmony; I want harmony." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21600 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 17:22:45 -0000 Received: from web10805.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.130.247) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 17:22:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727172244.2453.qmail@web10805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.184.136.225] by web10805.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:22:44 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:22:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Danen Jobe Subject: Re: Where'd you pick up on Jandek? To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- "Sam M." wrote: > I first heard of Jandek via John Trubee's article in > issue 5 of SPIN, waay > back in 1985, Wow me too! I then spent 7 years trying to figure out how to track him down. I went to work at the University of Arkansas student station (KRFA) in 1993 and they had 'The Living End' and 'Somebody in the Snow' (as well as some Daniel Johnston and Half Japanese, my other first outsiders). When the station was closed I took the records (they were at the time just going to give them to the classical station) and figured he'd probably disappeared... then a few years later I stumbled onto Forced Exposure and bought up everything I could. Through Ebay I got Blue Corpse and a handful of others. I knew who Chusid was, and my recent posts tell you all you need to know about what I feel there. He's a valuable guy but, as someone else pointed out, he'd rather be listening to Esquival. Danen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22076 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 17:23:36 -0000 Received: from ewey-rwcmta.excite.com (HELO ewey.excite.com) (198.3.99.191) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 17:23:36 -0000 Received: from seamore.excite.com ([199.172.148.163]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010727172304.YXMP4973.ewey.excite.com@seamore.excite.com>; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:23:04 -0700 Message-ID: <22197256.996254584550.JavaMail.imail@seamore.excite.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:23:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Karlin To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu, magneticring@hotmail.com Subject: beauty vs. stupidity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.233.56.250 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:50:01 -0700, josh . wrote: > Its pretty unfortunate that he treats a lot of these people as novelty acts > and not as individuals that have a totally different slant on music and art. > They don't want to be involved in a community. > Jandek is way beyond most music today. It doesn't even real have a time. > Its what makes it so beautiful. > I sight the 2nd side of "Your Turn to Fall" as probably the best modern > folklore I've ever heard. Yes, that's it, you've got it. No one seems to pay enough attention to the unearthly beauty in Jandek's music. "Dance of Death" and "Morning Drum" and "Upon the Grandeur" are just a few examples. They make the smarmy criticisms of soulless assholes like Chusid look like the bullshit that it is. ron _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22615 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 17:28:22 -0000 Received: from web10802.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.130.244) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 17:28:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20010727172822.50291.qmail@web10802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.184.136.225] by web10802.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:28:22 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:28:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Danen Jobe Subject: PAINT CHUSID'S TEETH! To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <26604941.996204000181.JavaMail.imail@baldy.excite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk But > those comments he made about Jandek- he deserves a > face full of teeth for > that... No, Chusid does not deserve a face full of teeth... he deserves PAINTED TEETH!!!!!!!;) I also wanted to mention that the Jandek albums I inherited from KRFA had big x's marked through the songs and the station manager had written "DO NOT PLAY ON AIR" on the vinyl. I'm proud to own that. Of course, I played "Om" and "Sense of Reason" frequently on my show. Don't paint your teeth, Danen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15780 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2001 00:16:22 -0000 Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.164) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Jul 2001 00:16:22 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id l.76.db40ae0 (3734) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:15:50 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <76.db40ae0.28935e36@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:15:50 EDT Subject: Re: beauty vs. stupidity To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk The problem is that Chusid probably never listened past the first two tracks of any LP-all those songs are in the middle! Seriously though, the first song on the second side is often a keeper: I Know You Well Upon The Grandeur The Way That You Act I'll Sit Alone... Governor Rhodes Harmonica ;) In a message dated 7/27/01 1:24:04 PM, eckankore@excite.com writes: << Yes, that's it, you've got it. No one seems to pay enough attention to the unearthly beauty in Jandek's music. "Dance of Death" and "Morning Drum" and "Upon the Grandeur" are just a few examples. They make the smarmy criticisms of soulless assholes like Chusid look like the bullshit that it is. >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16538 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2001 00:21:40 -0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.37) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Jul 2001 00:21:40 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id l.36.1933d51c (3734) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:21:05 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <36.1933d51c.28935f71@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:21:05 EDT Subject: Thank you, John P. Alexander To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/27/01 9:57:34 AM, onyxmirr@earthlink.net writes: << ..... i also enjoy lifetimes. >> Is this the outsider music version of "all your base are belong to us"? Props to Mr. Alexander for getting this list going again. Good luck to all you cool people! Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31465 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2001 05:28:38 -0000 Received: from mail.icehouse.net (204.203.53.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Jul 2001 05:28:38 -0000 Received: from default (cust-140-95.as02.sttl.eli.net [209.210.140.95]) by mail.icehouse.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id WAA13343 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:29:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.icehouse.net: Host cust-140-95.as02.sttl.eli.net [209.210.140.95] claimed to be default Message-ID: <004801c11727$6a674240$5f8cd2d1@default> From: "Michael Olcsvary" To: Subject: Re: Where'd you pick up on Jandek? Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:37:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >How many of us on this list have NOT heard of Jandek through Chusid? I first heard of him through a posting on the Marquee Moon mailing list from another poster on this list. That led me to Seth's website. Shortly after that, I found Chusid's book at Confounded Books in Seattle. I'd relocated here from NJ and was a longtime FMU listener, though I was never really fond of Chusid's show. Anyway, that led to my ordering "Ready for the House" and "Chair Beside a Window" from Forced Exposure (got my copies in a week and a half). Like a lot of others, I feel Chusid fell short of the mark, but on the other hand, why preach to the converted? Those who were likely/curious/interested/heeled enough to buy his stuff without prompting probably had; then there were the rest of us who might actually dig it if it sounded interesting and/or twisted enough. While the mailing list posting had more weight, I can't deny Chusid's devoting a whole chapter to Jandek wasn't a factor in my decision to hear the stuff. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1980 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2001 00:46:40 -0000 Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.4) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Jul 2001 00:46:40 -0000 Received: from Dialleft@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 7.113.26e884b (17231); Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:46:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Dialleft@aol.com Message-ID: <113.26e884b.289759d2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:46:10 EDT Subject: Re: Where'd you pick up on Jandek? To: smathesn@istar.ca, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk forced exposure wrote about jandek for three or four issues in arow. capsule reviews but quite intriguing also coley really did him up in spin.whos irwin chusid? only kidding Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Message-ID: <20010731122840.9696.qmail@cs.nwu.edu> Received: (qmail 9687 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2001 12:28:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO Godzilla.cs.nwu.edu) (tisue@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 Jul 2001 12:28:38 -0000 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: More Jandek Sound Effects From: Seth Tisue In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Jul 2001 02:01:42 BST." <000201c11429$478e3040$046b1f3e@nyro> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:28:38 -0500 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Jamie" == Jamie Morrison writes: Jamie> Am I going crazy, or is that a telephone ringing at the end of Jamie> 'Quinn Boys II', on 'You Walk Alone'? Or is this just because Jamie> I've got the mp3 version? Does anyone know if it's on the Jamie> record? It's on the record. Seth seth@tisue.net http://tisue.net Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Message-ID: <20010731162551.26293.qmail@cs.nwu.edu> Received: (qmail 26284 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2001 16:25:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO Godzilla.cs.nwu.edu) (tisue@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 Jul 2001 16:25:50 -0000 Subject: Jandek lyrics updated To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu From: Seth Tisue Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:25:50 -0500 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Added to Jandek lyrics page at http://tisue.net/jandek/lyrics.html: - complete lyrics to Living in a Moon So Blue (thank you Christina Carter!) - partial lyrics to Staring at the Cellophane (thank you Irwin Chusid!) - complete lyrics to Follow Your Footsteps (thank you Nate Reilly!) - partial lyrics to On the Way (thank you Nate Reilly!) - complete lyrics to I Woke Up (thank you Christina Carter!) - partial lyrics to Put My Dream On This Planet (thank you Mike!) Plus dozens of small corrections to the lyrics (thank you Christina Carter and others!). I'm all caught up now on lyrics additions and corrections that have been sent to me or the list. (If something you sent didn't get added, please re-send.) The lyrics pages are still missing lyrics for these albums. Anyone feel like transcribing them? Staring at the Cellophane (most songs missing) (*) Your Turn To Fall (*) The Rocks Crumble Modern Dances You Walk Alone On the Way (many songs missings) The Living End (side 2 missing) Somebody in the Snow One Foot in the North White Box Requiem (*) Put My Dream On This Planet (2 songs missing) (*) (The starred albums are available on CD.) Seth seth@tisue.net http://tisue.net Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27198 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2001 16:34:36 -0000 Received: from ha1.rdc1.kt.home.ne.jp (HELO mail.rdc1.kt.home.ne.jp) (203.165.9.242) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Jul 2001 16:34:36 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([203.165.101.178]) by mail.rdc1.kt.home.ne.jp (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010731163427.TQVF22524.mail.rdc1.kt.home.ne.jp@[192.168.1.100]>; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:34:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: paul@netmail.home.ne.jp Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <113.26e884b.289759d2@aol.com> References: <113.26e884b.289759d2@aol.com> Homepage: http://noise.as JALT: http://jalt.org KitakyushuJALT: http://jalt.org/chapters/kq Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 01:34:23 +0900 To: Dialleft@aol.com, smathesn@istar.ca, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Paul Collett Subject: Re: Where'd you pick up on Jandek? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk At 8:46 PM -0400 01.7.30, Dialleft@aol.com wrote: >whos irwin >chusid? >=DDonly kidding Valid question. I first heard of Jandek when...13 or 14 years ago, via Forced Exposure in Christchurch, New Zealand. First heard Jandek 9 years ago, again via Forced Exposure, this time deep in rural Japan. Irwin Chusid? First heard of him a few months back on this list. Ask around, Europe, Japan, Australasia, you'll find people who know Jandek. But who's Irwin Chusid? Seriously? Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29532 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2001 17:05:14 -0000 Received: from web13202.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.174.187) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Jul 2001 17:05:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20010731170514.17559.qmail@web13202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.177.59.149] by web13202.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:05:14 PDT Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "M.B." Subject: Re: Where'd you pick up on Jandek? To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1595589485-996599114=:16136" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --0-1595589485-996599114=:16136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-1595589485-996599114=:16136 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from [199.177.59.149] by web13204.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:44:20 PDT Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:44:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "M.B." Subject: Re: Where'd you pick up on Jandek? To: Paul Collett In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 965 --- Paul Collett wrote: > At 8:46 PM -0400 01.7.30, Dialleft@aol.com wrote: > >whos irwin > >chusid? > >İonly kidding > > > Valid question. I first heard of Jandek when...13 or > 14 years ago, > via Forced Exposure in Christchurch, New Zealand. > First heard Jandek > 9 years ago, again via Forced Exposure, this time > deep in rural > Japan. Irwin Chusid? First heard of him a few months > back on this > list. Ask around, Europe, Japan, Australasia, you'll > find people who > know Jandek. But who's Irwin Chusid? Seriously? This has been discussed earlier, but does anyone here think that the "Letter" that Chusid received from Sterling Smith is valid? Chusid knows at this point that even if the letter were fake, Jandek would never go public to denounce it. Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-1595589485-996599114=:16136-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Message-ID: <20010731170834.30121.qmail@cs.nwu.edu> Received: (qmail 30112 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2001 17:08:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO Godzilla.cs.nwu.edu) (tisue@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 Jul 2001 17:08:33 -0000 Subject: I.C. To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Seth Tisue Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:08:33 -0500 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I think it's now pretty well established that: - some of us first learned about Jandek from Irwin Chusid, many didn't (to some, perhaps surprisingly many) - many of us disagree with Chusid's take on Jandek; some of us are outright offended by it, some aren't It's actually the second time around for the latter of these discussions, so let's put that one to rest, please. Your list admin, Seth seth@tisue.net http://tisue.net Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 7488 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2001 19:50:29 -0000 Received: from pcow029o.blueyonder.co.uk (HELO blueyonder.co.uk) (195.188.53.123) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Jul 2001 19:50:29 -0000 Received: from nyro ([62.31.102.48]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:14:25 +0100 Message-ID: <003201c119ec$2f01ade0$30661f3e@nyro> Reply-To: "Jamie Morrison" From: "Jamie Morrison" To: Subject: Re: Jandek lyrics updated Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:11:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > Added to Jandek lyrics page at http://tisue.net/jandek/lyrics.html: Ooh, great! I don't have 'Staring at the Cellophane' yet. Hey, has anyone here heard 'Michael' by the Red House Painters? What a rip-off!!!! By the way, I would do 'You Walk Alone' if no-one else would. Nothing to do with my lack of enthusiasm, I just gave 'I Know the Times' a bash and it's not exactly easy. But I'll try! Love Jamie Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 13700 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2001 21:15:19 -0000 Received: from web10803.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.130.245) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Jul 2001 21:15:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20010731211519.11855.qmail@web10803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.184.114.26] by web10803.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:15:19 PDT Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:15:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Danen Jobe Subject: Re: Jandek lyrics updated To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <003201c119ec$2f01ade0$30661f3e@nyro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hi Jamie, well I just emailed Seth and said I'd take a crack at 'You Walk ALone' and 'Snow' but if you'll take the first I'll go ahead and get a head start on the second. Danen --- Jamie Morrison wrote: > > Added to Jandek lyrics page at > http://tisue.net/jandek/lyrics.html: > > Ooh, great! I don't have 'Staring at the Cellophane' > yet. Hey, has anyone > here heard 'Michael' by the Red House Painters? What > a rip-off!!!! > > By the way, I would do 'You Walk Alone' if no-one > else would. Nothing to do > with my lack of enthusiasm, I just gave 'I Know the > Times' a bash and it's > not exactly easy. But I'll try! > > Love Jamie > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 23683 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 00:16:23 -0000 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.6) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Aug 2001 00:16:23 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id l.9e.17f6e7e7 (17080) for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:15:58 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.17f6e7e7.2898a43e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:15:58 EDT Subject: Re: Jandek lyrics updated To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I'll take a bash at these LPs for the next few days: Modern Dances On the Way (the 2 songs I missed) One Foot in the North (I DID transcribe the whole thing 2 years ago-then lost my notebook!) maybe: The Living End (side 2) if nobody else wants to do it.