Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15242 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 06:56:56 -0000 Received: from adsl-63-194-217-205.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO kasley.com) (admin@63.194.217.205) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 May 2001 06:56:56 -0000 Received: from [10.10.100.3] by kasley.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Tue, 1 May 2001 23:57:21 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 23:56:49 -0700 Subject: "Anton Gustavsson is the Jandek of the Iron Maiden fan milieu" From: Ian Kasley To: Jandek Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk found this Jandek mention (sort of) on disinfo.com... Anton Gustavsson: Anton Maiden Swede Anton Gustavsson is the Jandek of the Iron Maiden fan milieu: check out his unique Anton Maiden tribute (vocals over MIDI tracks), and download some MP3 samples. One of the funniest things we have ever heard! http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id385/pg1/ (BTW, I actually have the Anton Maiden CD, and it's every bit as bad as the description sounds. Maybe worse. Highly recommended.) -ian Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6305 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 15:20:11 -0000 Received: from web6304.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.22.141) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 May 2001 15:20:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010502152007.28651.qmail@web6304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.30.6.66] by web6304.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 May 2001 08:20:07 PDT Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 08:20:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Cooley Subject: Re: "Anton Gustavsson is not the Jandek of the Iron Maiden fan milieu" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I have the Anton Maiden CD. It's pretty funny, especially to my housemate, who knows every Maiden tune note for note, but Jandek is far more talented and listenable. To mention the two in the same sentence is sort of an insult to Janky. The other day I was on a long drive and somehow ended up listening to "Painted Your Teeth" over and over and over again. I was really getting into it. The sound started to get sort of soothing, kind of like Alvin Lucier's "I Am Sitting In A Room". --- Ian Kasley wrote: > found this Jandek mention (sort of) on > disinfo.com... > > Anton Gustavsson: Anton Maiden > Swede Anton Gustavsson is the Jandek of the Iron > Maiden fan milieu: check > out his unique Anton Maiden tribute (vocals over > MIDI tracks), and download > some MP3 samples. One of the funniest things we have > ever heard! > > http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id385/pg1/ > > > (BTW, I actually have the Anton Maiden CD, and it's > every bit as bad as the > description sounds. Maybe worse. Highly > recommended.) > > > > -ian > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22402 invoked from network); 20 May 2001 20:22:26 -0000 Received: from wpk-smtp-relay2.cwci.net (HELO wpk-smtp-relay.cwci.net) (195.44.63.19) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 May 2001 20:22:26 -0000 Received: from nyro ([195.44.222.25]) by wpk-smtp-relay.cwci.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Sun, 20 May 2001 21:21:27 +0100 Message-ID: <002701c0e16a$742a8320$19de2cc3@nyro> From: "Jamie Morrison" To: References: <20010502152007.28651.qmail@web6304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: "Anton Gustavsson is not the Jandek of the Iron Maiden fan milieu" Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:21:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > I have the Anton Maiden CD. It's pretty funny, > especially to my housemate, who knows every Maiden > tune note for note, but Jandek is far more talented > and listenable. To mention the two in the same > sentence is sort of an insult to Janky. I agree..... but well, it's quite typical, I think. Not meaning to sound snobby or anything, but I find that some people like 'unconventional' artists for their novelty value, and indeed I've found that some even listen to them because they seem to find their rejection of typically 'proficient' musical methods in some way funny. Another example would be Daniel Johnston being referred to as the 'Ed Wood of rock'. I find it pretty annoying, to say the least! I mean, if I don't understand something I don't laugh at or condemn it...... it's different if I don't like it, of course. Love Jamie Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22978 invoked from network); 20 May 2001 20:27:44 -0000 Received: from wpk-smtp-relay2.cwci.net (HELO wpk-smtp-relay.cwci.net) (195.44.63.19) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 May 2001 20:27:44 -0000 Received: from nyro ([195.44.222.25]) by wpk-smtp-relay.cwci.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Sun, 20 May 2001 21:26:30 +0100 Message-ID: <003301c0e16b$3153ce20$19de2cc3@nyro> From: "Jamie Morrison" To: Subject: Jandek and Nancy Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:26:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I was just listening to 'On The Planes'...... and it suddenly struck me how similar Nancy's vocal delivery is to Jandek's. I mean, she practically parallels him. Again, forgive me if I'm being the ignorant newbie here, but has it ever been hazarded that Jandek and Nancy are actually brother and sister? I realise that that leaves a big question mark over 'Governor Rhodes', but it's obvious even from what he told Irwin Chusid that he wants to keep his fans guessing - maybe it was a misdirection? Love Jamie Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 26769 invoked from network); 20 May 2001 20:50:04 -0000 Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.39) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 May 2001 20:50:03 -0000 Received: from CanryLITE@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.10.) id j.ac.15370962 (15871); Sun, 20 May 2001 16:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web33.aolmail.aol.com (web33.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.9]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.37) with ESMTP; Sun, 20 May 2001 16:49:33 -0400 Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 16:49:33 EDT From: CanryLITE@aol.com Subject: Re: "Anton Gustavsson is not the Jandek of the Iron Maiden fan milieu" To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >"but I find that some people like 'unconventional' >artists for their novelty value, and indeed I've found >that some even listen >to them because they seem to find their rejection of >typically >'proficient' musical methods in some way funny. Another >example would be >Daniel Johnston being referred to as the 'Ed Wood of >rock'. I find it pretty >annoying, to say the least! I mean, if I don't >understand something I don't >laugh at or condemn it...... it's different if I don't >like it, of course." Hmm, I agree with you on Daniel Johnston, I love his work for its unpretentiousness and also just because I love the music. However, you cant listen to someone like Weseley Willis and not be at all amused. -Colin Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22387 invoked from network); 21 May 2001 05:42:21 -0000 Received: from web14503.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.66) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 May 2001 05:42:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20010521054136.11867.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.54.156.191] by web14503.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 20 May 2001 22:41:36 PDT Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:41:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Cooley Subject: Re: doy rehtaf To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk MAN, if there is one thing that bugs the shit out of me, it's when people put someone like Daniel Johnston in even the vaguest, remote area as someone like Wesley Willis...I consider Daniel (and I guess you all do, too) to be an example of the ultimate born-songwriter. Classic structure, and melody, and Plastic Ono Band-calibur (I'm going to hell) honesty. And not to shit on WW (yeah, he's fucking hilarious), but you know, come on. I guess I feel the same about Jandek and Anton. What am I trying to say? Here's the words to a song Wesley Willis did about Jandek. It's called "Jandek" You are a strange musician. You are a mystery to the world. The people flock to wonder about you. You are a good person. Jaaannnndek Jaaaannndek Jaaaannndek Jaaaaanndek In 1988 you released an album called "Blue Corpse" People don't know who you are. You release an album a year. You want to be left alone. Jaaaaanndek Jaaaaanndek Jaaaaanndek Jaaaaanndek --- CanryLITE@aol.com wrote: > >"but I find that some people like 'unconventional' > >artists for their novelty value, and indeed I've > found >that some even listen > >to them because they seem to find their rejection > of >typically > >'proficient' musical methods in some way funny. > Another >example would be > >Daniel Johnston being referred to as the 'Ed Wood > of >rock'. I find it pretty > >annoying, to say the least! I mean, if I don't > >understand something I don't > >laugh at or condemn it...... it's different if I > don't >like it, of course." > > Hmm, I agree with you on Daniel Johnston, I love > his work for its unpretentiousness and also just > because I love the music. However, you cant listen > to someone like Weseley Willis and not be at all > amused. > > -Colin > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22812 invoked from network); 21 May 2001 05:44:30 -0000 Received: from web14503.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.66) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 May 2001 05:44:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20010521054345.12119.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.54.156.191] by web14503.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 20 May 2001 22:43:45 PDT Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:43:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Cooley Subject: Re: doy rehtaf To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk MAN, if there is one thing that bugs the shit out of me, it's when people put someone like Daniel Johnston in even the vaguest, remote area as someone like Wesley Willis...I consider Daniel (and I guess you all do, too) to be an example of the ultimate born-songwriter. Classic structure, and melody, and Plastic Ono Band-calibur (I'm going to hell) honesty. And not to shit on WW (yeah, he's fucking hilarious), but you know, come on. I guess I feel the same about Jandek and Anton. What am I trying to say? Here's the words to a song Wesley Willis did about Jandek. It's called "Jandek" You are a strange musician. You are a mystery to the world. The people flock to wonder about you. You are a good person. Jaaannnndek Jaaaannndek Jaaaannndek Jaaaaanndek In 1988 you released an album called "Blue Corpse" People don't know who you are. You release an album a year. You want to be left alone. Jaaaaanndek Jaaaaanndek Jaaaaanndek Jaaaaanndek --- CanryLITE@aol.com wrote: > >"but I find that some people like 'unconventional' > >artists for their novelty value, and indeed I've > found >that some even listen > >to them because they seem to find their rejection > of >typically > >'proficient' musical methods in some way funny. > Another >example would be > >Daniel Johnston being referred to as the 'Ed Wood > of >rock'. I find it pretty > >annoying, to say the least! I mean, if I don't > >understand something I don't > >laugh at or condemn it...... it's different if I > don't >like it, of course." > > Hmm, I agree with you on Daniel Johnston, I love > his work for its unpretentiousness and also just > because I love the music. However, you cant listen > to someone like Weseley Willis and not be at all > amused. > > -Colin > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4029 invoked from network); 21 May 2001 22:50:41 -0000 Received: from web12407.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.173.134) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 May 2001 22:50:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20010521225037.51985.qmail@web12407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.194.137] by web12407.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 21 May 2001 15:50:37 PDT Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:50:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Samland Subject: Blanket Syndrome To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21150 invoked from network); 22 May 2001 03:31:16 -0000 Received: from web14502.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.65) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 May 2001 03:31:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010522033032.84538.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.54.156.204] by web14502.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 21 May 2001 20:30:32 PDT Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:30:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Cooley Subject: Re: Blanket Syndrome To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20010521225037.51985.qmail@web12407.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I'll look for you on Napster. --- Wes Samland wrote: > Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket > Syndrome > Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket > Syndrome > Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket > Syndrome > Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket > Syndrome > Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket > Syndrome > Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket > Syndrome > Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket > Syndrome > Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket > Syndrome > Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket > Syndrome > Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket > Syndrome > Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket > Syndrome > Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket > Syndrome > Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket > Syndrome > Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket > Syndrome > Blanket Syndrome Blanket Syndrome Blanket > Syndrome > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11287 invoked from network); 22 May 2001 09:46:31 -0000 Received: from pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk (HELO blueyonder.co.uk) (195.188.53.121) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 May 2001 09:46:31 -0000 Received: from nyro ([213.48.63.111]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 22 May 2001 09:48:34 +0000 Message-ID: <006901c0e2a4$07707ba0$6f3f30d5@nyro> Reply-To: "Jamie Morrison" From: "Jamie Morrison" To: References: <20010521054345.12119.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: doy rehtaf Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:46:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > MAN, if there is one thing that bugs the shit out of > me, it's when people put someone like Daniel Johnston > in even the vaguest, remote area as someone like > Wesley Willis...I consider Daniel (and I guess you all > do, too) to be an example of the ultimate > born-songwriter. Classic structure, and melody, and > Plastic Ono Band-calibur (I'm going to hell) honesty. > And not to shit on WW (yeah, he's fucking hilarious), > but you know, come on. I guess I feel the same about > Jandek and Anton. Yeah, of course!! It's not like you can sit back, listen to a Wesley Willis song and marvel at the structure/melody/poetry of the songs etc., is it? (With the possible exception of 'Cut the Mullet', of course!) His appeal seems to have a great deal to do with his schizophrenia, wheras Daniel's illness is the only thing that holds him back. > In 1988 you released an album called "Blue Corpse" > People don't know who you are. > You release an album a year. > You want to be left alone. > > Jaaaaanndek > Jaaaaanndek > Jaaaaanndek > Jaaaaanndek He doesn't whup a donkey's ass though, what a shame...... Love Jamie Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19014 invoked from network); 25 May 2001 16:33:18 -0000 Received: from web13206.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.174.191) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 May 2001 16:33:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20010525163309.69341.qmail@web13206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.177.59.174] by web13206.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 25 May 2001 09:33:09 PDT Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:33:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "M.B." Subject: Jandek To: Jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Gotta love those Jandek descriptions on Ebay. People sure do take advantage of sir jandeks anonymity... "JANDEK -12th Apostle (corwood) 1993?/USA This oddball eccentric brutally real person from Texas issued like 20+ or so LPs on this factory label. I remember seeing an ad in some local mag from Corwood advertising "We'll press your record for you,cheap!". I wonder if any other losers have LPs on this label. Perfect Sealed Copy!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19449 invoked from network); 26 May 2001 19:39:20 -0000 Received: from f107.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.107) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 May 2001 19:39:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 May 2001 12:38:53 -0700 Received: from 209.91.184.15 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 May 2001 19:38:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.184.15] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: It's His House Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 19:38:53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2001 19:38:53.0572 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F020C40:01C0E61B] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I've been thinking a lot about the new Jandek album. Y'know, it really makes sense to me in away. Kinda like he has gone full circle. Or no circle. Or something. What's that? When I first heard 'of' Jandek, I was intrigued. So, like most, I ventured over to Seth's site and began reading Jandek's lyrics. I was impressed by his clarity and his use of everyday and larger themes throughout his work. Nearly all of it I viewed as poetry. Then I heard the music. Of course I was perplexed at first. It seemed like many of the albums were, musically, in unison. As if they were all one, all the way though. It occurred to me early on that perhaps Jandek was simply a poet who used "music" as a medium to submit his work to a larger audience than the one he would have received otherwise. Or maybe not. Now, while there are days I give his music credit (especially the final track on the Beginning), there are times when I think, "what's the point?" Of course, it generally forces the listener to focus in more on the lyrics, but sometimes the repetition gets, well, repetitive. So for a while, and even now I guess, I thought Jandek was just reading poetry over a constant sound, call it music, call it whatever. And this time out, he just dropped the sound and left the poetry. Although, as I right this, I'm in a happy, Jandek-does-good-music-mood so maybe what I'm saying doesn't make sense. In fact, I'm sure it doesn't make any sense. I don't know, his new album is just amazing. I love it. Take care, M. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4602 invoked from network); 27 May 2001 01:33:39 -0000 Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.98) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 May 2001 01:33:39 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id i.ac.1599cecd (3311); Sat, 26 May 2001 21:33:31 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:33:31 EDT Subject: Re: It's His House To: susseddm@hotmail.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 5/26/01 12:39:42 PM, susseddm@hotmail.com writes: << Now, while there are days I give his music credit (especially the final track on the Beginning), there are times when I think, "what's the point?" If your opinion of his music is based on what is currently available, yeah...but he killed the whole "music" angle with Lost Cause almost 10 years ago. I wish I knew why...15 years of progress, and then he goes back to square one. It is cool to see that he is trying something different these days, but the stuff that hasn't gone onto CD yet is much more interesting IMO. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 26116 invoked from network); 27 May 2001 17:35:11 -0000 Received: from f256.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.236.134) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 May 2001 17:35:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 27 May 2001 10:34:44 -0700 Received: from 209.91.184.24 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 May 2001 17:34:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.184.24] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: It's His House Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 17:34:44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2001 17:34:44.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[515C8640:01C0E6D3] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >If your opinion of his music is based on what is currently available, >yeah... Actually, yeah, I should have clarified that. I don't have the full picture yet, cause I don't have all the albums. Only those on cd. >but he killed the whole "music" angle with Lost Cause almost 10 years >ago. Then forget what said. Well, at least we're talking again. M. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6963 invoked from network); 27 May 2001 21:39:40 -0000 Received: from fortune-rwcmta.excite.com (HELO fortune.excite.com) (198.3.99.203) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 May 2001 21:39:40 -0000 Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010527213908.PVRM4228.fortune.excite.com@prickles> for ; Sun, 27 May 2001 14:39:08 -0700 Message-ID: <4889537.990999548473.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 14:39:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Karlin To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: It's His House Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.255.239.211 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Jandek did not "kill" the whole "music" angle, whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean. He changed his approach and stop relying so much on the outside musicians that were prominent on albums that at this point have not made it to CD. Those albums have Jandek experimenting with a number of approaches that were not revisted afterwards (check out "Om" or "Bring it in a Manger" from "Somebody in the Snow")The album after "Lost Cause", "Twelth Apostle" is a weird, creepy, amazing album that doesn't really resemble the earlier all-acoustic albums even though it's just him solo on guitar and voice. I shouldn't even need to say this, bout artists tend to change, evolve, etc. Because Jandek is not yammering about himself to critics in music magazines those who listen to him must put the pieces the puzzle together themselves. I have the utmost repect for Jandek for not wanting to represent himself in any way other than the music itself. And by the way, if you think his music is shoddy or amateurish, go back to listening to your fucking Goo Goo Dolls or whatever shit you listen to. I for one do not think that the weird tunings he uses are an accident at all. They represent a different approach to playing. Open your ears love ron On Sun, 27 May 2001 17:34:44 , Darin Mitchell wrote: > >If your opinion of his music is based on what is currently available, > >yeah... > > Actually, yeah, I should have clarified that. I don't have the full picture > yet, cause I don't have all the albums. Only those on cd. > > >but he killed the whole "music" angle with Lost Cause almost 10 years > >ago. > > Then forget what said. > > Well, at least we're talking again. > > M. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29027 invoked from network); 28 May 2001 05:16:38 -0000 Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (64.136.24.74) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 May 2001 05:16:38 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"ki1X92maXV6QklUPABtL0SBUWpNcy/E9CKvsZZy34Gk/nGdrEjHk8w=="> Received: (from benthos@juno.com) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F6HK2V5X; Mon, 28 May 2001 01:16:27 EDT To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:16:33 -0600 Subject: Re: It's His House Message-ID: <20010527.231634.-1899759.0.benthos@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.31 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,11,13,15-18,30-31,33-34 From: Chris D Woodward Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk in response to the rather innocuous statement that somebody made.. > >but he killed the whole "music" angle with Lost Cause almost 10 years > >ago. .."ron" responds: >Jandek did not "kill" the whole "music" angle, whatever the fuck that is >supposed to mean. >And by the way, if you think his music is shoddy or amateurish, go back to >listening to your fucking Goo Goo Dolls or whatever shit you listen to. I >for one do not think that the weird tunings he uses are an accident at all. >They represent a different approach to playing. >Open your ears geez louise! what crawled up your ass and died? I haven't followed this thread too carefully, but did anyone use the expression "shoddy" or "amateurish"? I don't believe anyone other than "ron" did. whether or not the "music angle died" is open to contention (certainly, there's no "music" per se on the latest record), but this kind of flaming is uncalled for, and I personally don't like to see it. people who subscribe to this list presumably do so 'cause they like listening to Jandek - so what's the need for this kind of negative commentary? "ron" may think himself the defender of the free world, but instead he comes off like an asshole and a bit of a hypocrite (with that snide "open yer ears" comment), and that's a shame, 'cause somewhere in there there's a point to be made. sometimes I think the little old lady next door was right: "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." Chris ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31434 invoked from network); 30 May 2001 02:55:14 -0000 Received: from blkbox.com (root@206.109.97.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 30 May 2001 02:55:14 -0000 Received: from preferred (s2.houston.box.net [206.109.96.31]) by blkbox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA28591 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 21:54:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010529214944.007f8b90@blkbox.com> X-Sender: mantler@blkbox.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:49:44 -0500 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Rick Mantler Subject: Re: It's His House In-Reply-To: <20010527.231634.-1899759.0.benthos@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Yep. I've been lurking on this list for a while now and have noticed a fairly consistent tendency towards "I'm a sophmore in college" style flaming and exchanges of ideas that don't produce much more than tired bad alt-rock journalism static. I'll be honest in that I do not understand what it is about Jandek's music and its attendant myths that inspire such silly bickering. I've only heard a very small fragment of his total output and found it thoroughly fascinating, terrifying, hypnotic, and from time to time, soul numbing. I can only assume, perhaps wrongly, that Jandek would be laughing his ass off right now if he could see these electronic grenade throwing exercises that are clearly and exclusively the result of his perfectly innocent efforts to make genuinely bizarre records. I doubt if he cares if anybody likes his records, and I more seriously doubt the likelihood that he lurks on lists such as these waiting to see what the vintage record store crowd thinks about him and his efforts. BTW, it isn't all that hard to figure out who (or where) he is. I know with certainty that he's no more than two miles away from me (being that I live in Houston, I have something of an advantage on other Jandek seekers). You don't have to live in Houston to figure it out. Consider the oceans of public databases available online (voter's registration, property tax records). Hint: don't use "Jandek" as the search name. I've opted to leave the guy alone. I suspect the female writer from Texas Monthly got about as close as he'll permit, and who knows- maybe it wasn't even him. She never identified him positively by any stretch of the imagination. You might want to consider ceasing deifying this guy. He'd probably find it outright dull. -Rick Mantler _____________________________________ At 11:16 PM 5/27/01 -0600, Chris D Woodward wrote: > >in response to the rather innocuous statement that somebody made.. >> >but he killed the whole "music" angle with Lost Cause almost 10 years >> >ago. > >.."ron" responds: > >>Jandek did not "kill" the whole "music" angle, whatever the fuck that is >>supposed to mean. > >>And by the way, if you think his music is shoddy or amateurish, go back >to >>listening to your fucking Goo Goo Dolls or whatever shit you listen to. >I >>for one do not think that the weird tunings he uses are an accident at >all. >>They represent a different approach to playing. >>Open your ears > >geez louise! what crawled up your ass and died? I haven't followed this >thread too carefully, but did anyone use the expression "shoddy" or >"amateurish"? I don't believe anyone other than "ron" did. whether or not >the "music angle died" is open to contention (certainly, there's no >"music" per se on the latest record), but this kind of flaming is >uncalled for, and I personally don't like to see it. people who subscribe >to this list presumably do so 'cause they like listening to Jandek - so >what's the need for this kind of negative commentary? "ron" may think >himself the defender of the free world, but instead he comes off like an >asshole and a bit of a hypocrite (with that snide "open yer ears" >comment), and that's a shame, 'cause somewhere in there there's a point >to be made. > >sometimes I think the little old lady next door was right: "if you can't >say something nice, don't say anything at all." > >Chris >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5243 invoked from network); 30 May 2001 04:28:20 -0000 Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.175.43) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 30 May 2001 04:28:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20010530042819.88204.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.27.3.52] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 29 May 2001 21:28:19 PDT Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:28:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Be Subject: Re: It's His House To: jandek list Cc: mantler@blkbox.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010529214944.007f8b90@blkbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Rick Mantler wrote: > I've opted to leave the guy alone. I suspect the female writer > from Texas > Monthly got about as close as he'll permit..... I haven't seen a picture of Katy Vine, but I bet that Jandek wouldn't give a male journalist the time of day. Just like any other self-respecting rock star, Jandek has plenty of "sophmore in college" mentality male fans bugging him, but he's really interested in the females... ===== http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 25503 invoked from network); 31 May 2001 01:23:15 -0000 Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (64.136.24.74) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 May 2001 01:23:15 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"ki1X92maXV6QklUPABtL0TCxowgWEzy+cp7QriBcCc5oe1ZgnzgBEg=="> Received: (from benthos@juno.com) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F6QVVES9; Wed, 30 May 2001 21:22:55 EDT To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:22:59 -0600 Subject: Re: It's His House Message-ID: <20010530.192301.-414025.0.benthos@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.31 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-6,18-19 From: Chris D Woodward Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Tue, 29 May 2001 21:49:44 -0500 Rick Mantler writes: > > You might want to consider ceasing deifying this guy. He'd probably > find it outright dull. it's been my experience that, er, "celebrities" tend to be fairly boring people, and artists in particular are usually either much more drab in person, or much more shallow than you'd expect - which could be part of the "deifying" you mention - we prop up our idols and then they don't match our expectations. or perhaps, like schizophrenic folks, artists' creations reflect an alter-aspect of their personalities. I don't know that I'd ever be interesting in gabbing with herr j.. although from time to time I'll hear a reference in one of his songs that's familiar, and wonder if he's read the same book, heard that particular old blues song, etc..there are at least a couple expressions I've heard that harken back to old Texas blues musicians' recordings (though I can't remember them right now for the life of me). Chris ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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