Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5737 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2000 16:44:21 -0000 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.85) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Oct 2000 16:44:21 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (pool0827.cvx19-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.247.62]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05644 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39D76A25.6670DD34@earthlink.com> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 09:45:30 -0700 From: alecw Reply-To: errora@earthlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: bill gates, sterling smith, jandek, etc. Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk 'sterling smith' and 'jandek' are probably names the singer/musician/lyric writer heard on all those albums found and liked during his travels. he saw those names and wrote them down, enjoying their odd-ball, behind-the-scenes psuedonym sound.  the name 'bill gates'--if you can detach the name from the famous man--also has this sound.

to me, the names jandek and sterling smith sound like operatives in an ian flemming or john le carre spy novel.

it's interesting to note that 'bill gates' is the name of a magician in the book 'moonchild' written by aleister crowley (a pal of flemming) long before the microsoft fountainhead was born.

goooodenpointenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenen.

--alec Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6290 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2000 16:52:05 -0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.37) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Oct 2000 16:52:05 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id 5.54.a0bbb90 (17081); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:51:30 -0400 (EDT) From: BlackBook78@aol.com Message-ID: <54.a0bbb90.2708c591@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:51:29 EDT Subject: Re: bill gates, sterling smith, jandek, etc. To: errora@earthlink.com, jandek@cs.nwu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 113 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/01/2000 9:44:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, errora@earthlink.com writes: << sterling smith' and 'jandek' are probably names the singer/musician/lyric writer heard on all those albums found and liked during his travels. he saw those names and wrote them down, enjoying their odd-ball, behind-the-scenes psuedonym sound. the name 'bill gates'--if you can detach the name from the famous man--also has this sound. to me, the names jandek and sterling smith sound like operatives in an ian flemming or john le carre spy novel. it's interesting to note that 'bill gates' is the name of a magician in the book 'moonchild' written by aleister crowley (a pal of flemming) long before the microsoft fountainhead was born. goooodenpointenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenen. --alec >> Another spy theory? I suppose it would be possible for "Sterling Smith" and "Jandek" to be pseudonyms or surnames, which is why there are no listings or resources that connect the names....Did anyone recall in the Vine article that she suggested there were people who thought the name "Corwood Industries" incorporated the musicians real name? There is also another possibility (besides the name thing) that all of these recordings were done in the late 60's/70's and shelved until a relative unearthed them, and since he didn't want to be bothered, because they werent his, kept everything behind a closed door. Either way, I still love the music... mike Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 497 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 04:34:12 -0000 Received: from bucky-rwcmex.excite.com (HELO bucky.excite.com) (198.3.99.218) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 04:34:12 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001002043345.RSNC12294.bucky.excite.com@doby.excite.com> for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 21:33:45 -0700 Message-ID: <10393933.970461225357.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 21:33:45 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: religious themes and tribute Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.105.157.146 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hello to you- I'm new to this list. Just had some comments. I'm listening to "Glad To get Away" while reading the lyrics along with it (thank you Seth Tissue for your transcribing). Anyway I noticed from reading the list archives that some are uncomfortable with the Jandek songs with religious themes- well I have to say I feel the opposite way. I think his religious songs are among his most mysterious and beautiful (of what I've heard- I'm a relatively new Jandek fan and have only heard half of the albums). "Moon Dance" on "Glad to Get away" is particularly intense and intriguing. It seems to be about some kind of violent spiritual rebirth, presuming that one takes the lyrics literally, which I'm inclined to do. I got the Jandek tribute. The idea's a nice one but I think most of it is awful, especially the male vocalists who try to mimic Jandek's pronounciation. The high points are Peter Weiss and Brian Charles' version of "Quinn Boys II" (great psych guitar); a beautiful version of "Nancy Sings" by Ivory Elephant; and very original version of "Your Condition" by Amy Denio (who I recently heard on a tour with Francisco Lopez.) Thurston Moore is a prertentious shithead gradually, Ron K _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 25616 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 15:17:40 -0000 Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r17.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.71) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 15:17:40 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id o.21.1a09bae (4222); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:16:57 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <21.1a09bae.270a00e8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:16:56 EDT Subject: Re: religious themes and tribute To: eckankore@excite.com CC: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/2/00 12:34:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eckankore@excite.com writes: > Thurston Moore is a pretentious shithead With that, I say welcome to the list! Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 26408 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 15:32:54 -0000 Received: from the-jci.org (HELO jcint.the-jci.org) (141.214.75.157) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 15:32:54 -0000 Received: by the-jci.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:20:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Hickam, Robert" To: "'NCR13@aol.com'" , eckankore@excite.com Cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:20:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I'm new to the list and a fairly recent Jandek convert. However, given the fact that cds from Corwood are so inexpensive(20 for $80! yippee!) in bulk, I'm tempted to have a "Jandek Christmas" this year and shower friends and relations alike with selections from this Texas enigma's oeuvre. Has anyone had a Jandek-themed holiday before? -----Original Message----- From: NCR13@aol.com [mailto:NCR13@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:17 AM To: eckankore@excite.com Cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: religious themes and tribute In a message dated 10/2/00 12:34:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eckankore@excite.com writes: > Thurston Moore is a pretentious shithead With that, I say welcome to the list! Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27414 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 15:49:20 -0000 Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 15:49:20 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (adsl-141-151-144-94.bellatlantic.net [141.151.144.94]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19767 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:48:26 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Maurice Rickard Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk At 11:20 AM -0400 10/2/00, Hickam, Robert wrote: >Has anyone >had a Jandek-themed holiday before? Not exactly, but when a friend and I were getting into J in the late 80s, my friend had been toying with the idea of doing his own "Christmas Special" video--y'know, where different people "drop in" in a really premeditated way, sing a few songs, etc. My friend came up with the idea that at one point there'd be a knock at the door, and... "Look, honey, it's Jandek!" We found this endlessly funny. "Harmonica" on _Blue Corpse_ does sound like "Silent Night" in places, so I think that would be a good Jandek Christmas song.... Sleep in heavenly peace, Maurice -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 28006 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 15:55:25 -0000 Received: from the-jci.org (HELO jcint.the-jci.org) (141.214.75.157) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 15:55:25 -0000 Received: by the-jci.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:43:28 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Hickam, Robert" To: 'Maurice Rickard' , jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:43:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I like the idea of Jandek dropping in on a Christmas special video...though, from what I've heard, I'm not sure I'd really want him (or them) dropping in on me... -----Original Message----- From: Maurice Rickard [mailto:maurice@mac.com] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:48 AM To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute At 11:20 AM -0400 10/2/00, Hickam, Robert wrote: >Has anyone >had a Jandek-themed holiday before? Not exactly, but when a friend and I were getting into J in the late 80s, my friend had been toying with the idea of doing his own "Christmas Special" video--y'know, where different people "drop in" in a really premeditated way, sing a few songs, etc. My friend came up with the idea that at one point there'd be a knock at the door, and... "Look, honey, it's Jandek!" We found this endlessly funny. "Harmonica" on _Blue Corpse_ does sound like "Silent Night" in places, so I think that would be a good Jandek Christmas song.... Sleep in heavenly peace, Maurice -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29465 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 16:22:10 -0000 Received: from valis.olywa.net (216.173.192.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 16:22:10 -0000 Received: from Internet ([208.1.204.5]) by valis.olywa.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-56662U5000L500S0V35) with SMTP id net; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:53:46 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Mike Haeg" To: "'Maurice Rickard'" , Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:53:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c02c89$06b76d80$60dda8c0@Internet.olywa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk can I be removed from the list please -----Original Message----- From: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu [mailto:owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Maurice Rickard Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:48 AM To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute At 11:20 AM -0400 10/2/00, Hickam, Robert wrote: >Has anyone >had a Jandek-themed holiday before? Not exactly, but when a friend and I were getting into J in the late 80s, my friend had been toying with the idea of doing his own "Christmas Special" video--y'know, where different people "drop in" in a really premeditated way, sing a few songs, etc. My friend came up with the idea that at one point there'd be a knock at the door, and... "Look, honey, it's Jandek!" We found this endlessly funny. "Harmonica" on _Blue Corpse_ does sound like "Silent Night" in places, so I think that would be a good Jandek Christmas song.... Sleep in heavenly peace, Maurice -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4504 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 18:19:08 -0000 Received: from f308.law10.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.14.183) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 18:19:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:18:42 -0700 Received: from 198.103.138.130 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:18:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.103.138.130] From: "Dudley Morris" To: mike@awsp.org, maurice@mac.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:18:42 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2000 18:18:42.0298 (UTC) FILETIME=[31C6E5A0:01C02C9D] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk No >From: "Mike Haeg" >Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:53:55 -0700 > >can I be removed from the list please > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5208 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 18:27:27 -0000 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (128.135.12.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 18:27:27 -0000 Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e92IRRO02194 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:27:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (spleimer@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e92IRQj07063 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:27:26 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: spleimer owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:27:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Sam Leimer X-Sender: spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is not the sort of witty rejoinder I expected from the comical, drunken, homunculus of "Arthur," "Arthur 2: On the Rocks" and "Milo and Otis" fame. Once, I gave my good friend a couple of water damaged cds (that Jandek had sent me) as a birthday present. He was really happy and thought that Jandek (or I) was a very funny practical joker as the packaging had to be destroyed to get the cd to play. Apparently, the insert had become stuck to the surface of the cd and he had to rip it off in order to be able to play the cd. He was like "what did you do to those cds?" I was like, "nothing, Jandek did that," he said, "does he do that on purpose, to all his cds? I said "yes." suffer Mike Haeg! SAM ps. Dudley, is Liza a screamer? On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Dudley Morris wrote: > No > > > >From: "Mike Haeg" > >Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute > >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:53:55 -0700 > > > >can I be removed from the list please > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9492 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 19:22:58 -0000 Received: from f234.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.234) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 19:22:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:22:29 -0700 Received: from 209.91.128.149 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:22:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.149] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: 20 jandek Cd's - You and Me Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:22:29 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2000 19:22:29.0643 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B0D65B0:01C02CA6] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk

My buddy just got his 20 for 80 in the mail today. Really 11 plus 9 duplicates. We were both kinda irked that 20 different cd's didn't come, but we're both idiots for not realizing that only 11 are available on cd.

Are the rest still available on record?

Anyway, he wrote a letter along with the order and the response was this,

"Not a waste of time

We greatly appreciate your thoughts

Concur with the philosophy

And agree with the conclusions

Thanks

Corwood"

 

So there you have it.

M.


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Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31559 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 01:03:50 -0000 Received: from bucky-rwcmex.excite.com (HELO bucky.excite.com) (198.3.99.218) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 01:03:50 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001003010323.ZHHM12294.bucky.excite.com@doby.excite.com> for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:03:23 -0700 Message-ID: <5201285.970535003914.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:03:23 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Another comment on the tribute Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.105.157.6 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I was giving the Jandek "tribute" another listen- or should I say another chance- and I decided that I should revise my previous comment. I originally said it was "awful", but I decided that this is not strong enough. What it really is is a near-worthless piece of shit that actually does Jandek a disservice. Look, dammit, Jandek is not a novelty act. He is a great songwriter whose gifts surpass by a billion-fold the vast majority of the legions of supposedly more "talented" and "skilled: musicians and songwriters out there. But granted, not all of Jandek's songs are great (considering how prolific he is that's no surprise.) The tribute SHOULD have reflected a sampling of his greatest songs: in that category I would put "Can I See You Clock", "What Did I Hear", "The Real You", "Take My Will", "For You and I", "Falling Down Deep", "Moon Dance" etc etc etc. These songs are almost transcendentally eerie and beautiful. Why the hell did no one want to cover any of these songs? Instead we get Thurston Moron doing "Painted My Teeth"! And never mind the goons who do that "Have you ever heard Jandek" atrocity (have you every heard of being so devoid of imagination that you should shut the fuck up?) The ONLY song on the album that *really* does justice to Jandek is "Nancy Sings" by Ivory Elephant. Here's the "constructive" part of my criticism, Eric: let this piece of rot "tribute" go out of print and have Ivory Elephant do an entire album of Jandek covers, much like Kathy McCarthy did for Daniel Johnston on "Dead Dog's Eyeball".. Then you might have something you could be proud of.... Ron k It's the zine writer in me... _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31717 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 01:04:08 -0000 Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (209.89.75.17) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 01:04:08 -0000 Received: from ip198.ottawa11.dialup.canada.psi.net ([154.5.32.198]) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 13gGVg-00071g-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:04:45 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:03:00 -0400 Subject: Re: 20 jandek Cd's - You and Me From: "Sam M." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3053365380_686300_MIME_Part" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3053365380_686300_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ah, but what kind of comment was this in response to, or was it appropos of nothing? From: "Darin Mitchell" Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:22:29 GMT To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: 20 jandek Cd's - You and Me My buddy just got his 20 for 80 in the mail today. Really 11 plus 9 duplicates. We were both kinda irked that 20 different cd's didn't come, but we're both idiots for not realizing that only 11 are available on cd. Are the rest still available on record? Anyway, he wrote a letter along with the order and the response was this, "Not a waste of time We greatly appreciate your thoughts Concur with the philosophy And agree with the conclusions Thanks Corwood" So there you have it. M. --MS_Mac_OE_3053365380_686300_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: 20 jandek Cd's - You and Me Ah, but what kind of comment was this in response to, or was it appropos of= nothing?

From: "Darin Mitchell" <susseddm@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:22:29 GMT
To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu
Subject: 20 jandek Cd's - You and Me


My buddy just got his 20 for 80 in the mail today. Really 11 pl= us 9 duplicates. We were both kinda irked that 20 different cd's didn't come= , but we're both idiots for not realizing that only 11 are available on cd. =
Are the rest still available on record?

Anyway, he wrote a letter along with the order and the response was this, <= BR>
"Not a waste of time

We greatly appreciate your thoughts

Concur with the philosophy

And agree with the conclusions

Thanks

Corwood"


So there you have it.

M.
--MS_Mac_OE_3053365380_686300_MIME_Part-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1220 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 01:32:03 -0000 Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (HELO pimout4-int.prodigy.net) (207.115.63.103) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 01:32:03 -0000 Received: from 1hj73 (nas-216-206.nyc-t.navipath.net [64.20.216.206]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e931VtZ82098; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:31:55 -0400 From: "b&p" To: , Subject: RE: Another comment on the tribute Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:33:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5201285.970535003914.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I like the Quinn Boys II and the Amy Serio (?)(last track--don't have CD iin front of me)interpretations because they really re-imagined and re-conceived the spirit and feeling of the original artist. I was in progressive radio for many years, and one watchword of the tradition was "Don't cover a song unless you're going to do something completely different that will stand on its own, or you're going to reproduce the original better." On the tribute CD, those tracks meet the criteria. I think the rest took the concept that Jandek could be considered wierd, and then just got wierder. To me, among the best of these is "More Oar," the Skip Spence tribute--but I'm sure Summersteps didn't have the budget. Nonetheless, there are lots of albums/CD's I own for fewer than two good tracks........ Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu [mailto:owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu]On Behalf Of eckankore@excite.com Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 9:03 PM To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Another comment on the tribute I was giving the Jandek "tribute" another listen- or should I say another chance- and I decided that I should revise my previous comment. I originally said it was "awful", but I decided that this is not strong enough. What it really is is a near-worthless piece of shit that actually does Jandek a disservice. Look, dammit, Jandek is not a novelty act. He is a great songwriter whose gifts surpass by a billion-fold the vast majority of the legions of supposedly more "talented" and "skilled: musicians and songwriters out there. But granted, not all of Jandek's songs are great (considering how prolific he is that's no surprise.) The tribute SHOULD have reflected a sampling of his greatest songs: in that category I would put "Can I See You Clock", "What Did I Hear", "The Real You", "Take My Will", "For You and I", "Falling Down Deep", "Moon Dance" etc etc etc. These songs are almost transcendentally eerie and beautiful. Why the hell did no one want to cover any of these songs? Instead we get Thurston Moron doing "Painted My Teeth"! And never mind the goons who do that "Have you ever heard Jandek" atrocity (have you every heard of being so devoid of imagination that you should shut the fuck up?) The ONLY song on the album that *really* does justice to Jandek is "Nancy Sings" by Ivory Elephant. Here's the "constructive" part of my criticism, Eric: let this piece of rot "tribute" go out of print and have Ivory Elephant do an entire album of Jandek covers, much like Kathy McCarthy did for Daniel Johnston on "Dead Dog's Eyeball".. Then you might have something you could be proud of.... Ron k It's the zine writer in me... _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3423 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 02:02:04 -0000 Received: from f161.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.161) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 02:02:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:01:33 -0700 Received: from 209.91.129.224 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:01:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.129.224] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: smathesn@istar.ca, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: 20 jandek Cd's - A Reply Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:01:33 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 02:01:33.0551 (UTC) FILETIME=[DABBCFF0:01C02CDD] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >Ah, but what kind of comment was this in response to, or was it >appropos >of nothing? Well, he doesn't mind so below is nearly everything he wrote in the letter, take it as you will I guess: "Corwood Industries, Please find attached a money order for $88.00 US in return for a box of 20 Jandek compact discs. I am unsure if the boxes are prepackaged, but if they are not - and since I do not have any Jandek albums - I was hoping if at all possible that Jandek's first two albums (Ready for the House [0739] and Six and Six [0740]) and Jandek's last two albums (New Town [0765] and The Beginning [0766]) be included in the box. I have also heard things about You Walk Alone [0754] and Somebody in the Snow [0757]. However, as I have previously stated, I have never heard the sounds of Jandek before, so I really do not know what I would prefer either way. Anyway, if not, then I am sure whatever you decide to enclose will be fine. Since I am aware of Jandek's obscurity, I guess I will say a little bit about why a feller from Northern Ontario Canada would be interested in Jandek (or for that matter, to have even heard of him). Interestingly, the "idea" of Jandek appeals to me the most at this point in time. That someone could force the public to accept their art sans image, life style, personal goings-on, etc… is something that not only intrigues me, but something that I fully respect. I also understand how it is also conceivable for this formula to inadvertently (or possibly purposely done, although I sincerely do not think this is the case here) work against the artist (although of no real fault of the artist themselves). But then again, I am only referring to the whole idea of "Jandek" and not of the sounds and overall art of Jandek - since I am unfamiliar with the work of the individual or individuals in question. I must admit that at times, to keep myself preoccupied, I have fallen victim to the "myth" of Jandek: getting caught up in why an individual would release their work without letting more people know who was responsible for the work. Nevertheless, I have a sense that this work is nothing about image; rather it is simply an expression and that is all you get; and really, shouldn't that be all an audience gets anyway? Oscar Wilde said in The Decay of Lying that "If something cannot be done to check, or at least modify our monstrous worship of facts, Art will become sterile, and beauty will pass away from the land." Anyway, that is how I feel about certain things lately. If you still care, I am a ... ...Well I will leave you folks with that. If you did not read this then so be it. If you did, then, why'd ya waste your time like that for? Ok, as I said, whatever the box consists of is fine with me. Take care. Yours, *******" [end] Anyway, that's what he wrote, and again, the Corwood response was: "Not a waste of time We greatly appreciate your thoughts Concur with the philosophy And agree with the conclusions Thanks Corwood" Nice for them to have read it and replied. Have a good night. M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6226 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 02:41:32 -0000 Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r18.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 02:41:32 -0000 Received: from Summersteps@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id l.b7.74630af (17085) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:40:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Summersteps@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:40:51 EDT Subject: Jandek tribute To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hello, Well Ron, I guess you don't like the tribute. I'm very proud of the tribute CD. I guess like Jandek's music the tribute CD is not for everyone. I think the artists all took a different approach to the music some more closely to the traditional Jandek sound and others reimagined the music in a way that was not pleasing to your ears. I think with music as personal as Jandek's it takes on life of it's own inside of the head of the listener. I think each of the artists ( including the ones who did not make Vol I) was sucessful in presenting what their musical experience of Jandek was and I think everyone's is unique and different. I'm sorry if it wasn't for you. Best, Eric Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10267 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 03:46:09 -0000 Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r16.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.70) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 03:46:09 -0000 Received: from Summersteps@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id o.73.74ce444 (3939); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:45:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Summersteps@aol.com Message-ID: <73.74ce444.270ab048@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:45:12 EDT Subject: An open letter in response to Ron To: eckankore@excite.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hello, Ron, I think you've missed some of the points of the tribute CD. First are you even aware that there are some Jandek LPs that sound very similar to Weiss and Charles version of "Quinn Boys II" and their vocals are very similar to Jandek's vocalizations?. I think this was one of your gripes about why it was so "awful". Please check out the "On the Way" LP's version of "Message to Clerk" for a prime example of Jandek letting the psych-blues loose. Another point you missed is that the artists on the tribute not making fun of him. Check out the "Modern Dances" LP it's full of weird jokes and references. He jokes on the "Blue Corpse" LP about eating potatoes and clearly laughs at himself at the end of side one. "The Beginning'" track "moving slow" name checks turkey and juicey juice. I think you've mistaken an appreciation for Jandek's offbeat humor as making fun of him. Perhaps with a deeper appreciation of Jandek's deep body of work of which I think you've only skimmed. You might have realized this. I'd also like to point out that I worked with Corwood Industries themselves on the creation of this tribute. They approved of the track listing and provided cover photo. They were not offended by the content or any aspect of this product. In fact, Corwood has worked with me every step of the way. I have a deep and sincere appreciation of Jandek's work and have spent a year of my life and a fair chunk of money putting this tribute together because of my sincere appreciation for Jandek. I did not do it to have a cheap laugh and I would not have permitted anyone who I thought felt this same way to grace the tribute CD. Thanks, Eric Schlittler Summersteps Records p.s. Ron, please note, I did not have to revert to name calling or personal attacks to make these points. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11338 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 04:01:04 -0000 Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r02.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 04:01:04 -0000 Received: from Summersteps@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id l.5f.b3746c6 (3939) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:00:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Summersteps@aol.com Message-ID: <5f.b3746c6.270ab3e2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:00:34 EDT Subject: Ron's letter To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_5f.b3746c6.270ab3e2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --part1_5f.b3746c6.270ab3e2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_5f.b3746c6.270ab3e2_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) by air-zc05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:54:36 -0400 Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:54:22 -0400 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001003025421.BJR12294.bucky.excite.com@doby.excite.com> for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:54:21 -0700 Message-ID: <2908550.970541661630.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:54:21 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: Summersteps@aol.com Subject: Re: Jandek tribute Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.105.157.6 If I could summarize my gripe in a nutshell (minus four letter words) it's that most of the participants treat Jandek like a big joke, a freak show. I happen to think of Jandek as an artist, just as I view Syd Barrett and Roky Erickson as artists. There's nothing wrong with having a sense of humor, but I hate smug hipper-than-thou arrogance... I think the artists all took a different approach to the music > some more closely to the traditional Jandek sound and others reimagined the > music in a way that was not pleasing to your ears. I think with music as > personal as Jandek's it takes on life of it's own inside of the head of the > listener. I think each of the artists ( including the ones who did not make > Vol I) was sucessful in presenting what their musical experience of Jandek > was and I think everyone's is unique and different. > _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html --part1_5f.b3746c6.270ab3e2_boundary-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 17506 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 05:48:26 -0000 Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r13.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.67) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 05:48:26 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id l.b3.147fc6e (9726) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:47:57 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:47:56 EDT Subject: Re: religious themes and tribute To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > Has anyone > had a Jandek-themed holiday before? My friends and I tried to pull this off 5 or 6 years ago, at school in NY. The holiday was actually "Swope Day" in honor of the film Putney Swope (as well as a dig on Cornell's Slope Day), and we were going to play the yet-unheard copy of Lost Cause I had been displaying on my mantel for a few years. We actually went so far as to promote the idea of a Jandek listening party on local radio, until some guy called up and told me that he himself had tried to do it once and it was just too painful(!) We did eventually have the party, about 2 years later, and I ended up being the only person who didn't walk out. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19697 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 06:34:33 -0000 Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.41) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 06:34:33 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id l.bd.781a4f2 (9726) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:33:56 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:33:56 EDT Subject: Re: An open letter in response to Ron To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I personally can't judge the quality of the tribute, as I have not heard it, but since this debate has been dragged out into the public forum, I will make a few comments. In regards to translating Jandek's offbeat sense of humor, well maybe Jim Carrey understood Andy Kaufman but that doesn't mean Man on the Moon didn't suck. And Ron makes a good point about there being a difference between humor and hipper-than-thou smugness, which is a pretty good description of Thurston, isn't it? I would also agree that the track listing is way, way off in terms of being representative of Jandek's body of work, but then again Eric could only put out what was given to him. I can see both sides of the issue, but ultimately my respect and personal understanding of Jandek tells me that I don't want this CD in my collection. Others may feel differently, that's just a personal thing, but if you want to participate in discussions on this list you should be able to deal with criticism (unfounded or otherwise) . Jandek has been dealing with criticism for over 20 years! Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22098 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 07:06:01 -0000 Received: from penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.134) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 07:06:01 -0000 Received: from [168.191.184.39] (sdn-ar-001txaustP301.dialsprint.net [168.191.184.39]) by penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20115 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010030706.AAA20115@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 01:54:42 -0500 Subject: Re: An open letter in response to Ron From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i've never lintened to a tribute album that wasn't really terrible. i think they are just lame in theory. especially in jandeks case you know like in that saying about comedy "it's all in the delivery". jandek songs don't really seem to lend themselves well to various interpretations. his songs only seem to work and written for the way he plays etc. there are songs that are open to interpretation and then there is jandek. ~J ---------- >From: NCR13@aol.com >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: An open letter in response to Ron >Date: Tue, Oct 3, 2000, 1:33 AM > >I personally can't judge the quality of the tribute, as I have not heard it, >but since this debate has been dragged out into the public forum, I will make >a few comments. In regards to translating Jandek's offbeat sense of humor, >well maybe Jim Carrey understood Andy Kaufman but that doesn't mean Man on >the Moon didn't suck. And Ron makes a good point about there being a >difference between humor and hipper-than-thou smugness, which is a pretty >good description of Thurston, isn't it? I would also agree that the track >listing is way, way off in terms of being representative of Jandek's body of >work, but then again Eric could only put out what was given to him. I can see >both sides of the issue, but ultimately my respect and personal understanding >of Jandek tells me that I don't want this CD in my collection. Others may >feel differently, that's just a personal thing, but if you want to >participate in discussions on this list you should be able to deal with >criticism (unfounded or otherwise) . Jandek has been dealing with criticism >for over 20 years! > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 7332 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 14:04:48 -0000 Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r10.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.10) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 14:04:48 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id f.f9.343ca80 (15864) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.3) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:04:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:04:12 EDT From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Jandek Albums To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hello- I have been searching and searching for these three albums, but to no avail. I was wondering if anyone had these and would be willing to tape them for me: The Rocks Crumble Nine Thirty Interstellar Discussion thank you for any help, mike Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10796 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 15:18:26 -0000 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (128.135.12.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 15:18:26 -0000 Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e93FIQO28622 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:18:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (spleimer@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e93FINh12435 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:18:23 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: spleimer owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:18:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Sam Leimer X-Sender: spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Another comment on the tribute In-Reply-To: <5201285.970535003914.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 eckankore@excite.com wrote: > I was giving the Jandek "tribute" another listen- or should I say another > chance- and I decided that I should revise my previous comment. I originally > said it was "awful", but I decided that this is not strong enough. What it > really is is a near-worthless piece of shit that actually does Jandek a > disservice. Look, dammit, Jandek is not a novelty act. I don't know about that. I mean, having released so many albums on such a regular schedule is a bit of a novelty and the fact that he sounds like nothing else in the world is trully a novelty. I don't think calling anybody a novelty act or freak show isn't necessarily an insult anyway. you probably get offended by the way porn "objectifies people" or some such shit. and who are you to defend Jandek? why can't people laugh at him, don't you think he laughs at himself? I mean, the futility of pouring as much time and effort in his art is pretty amusing, he's never going to become the large scale commodity such that: > the vast majority of the > legions of supposedly more "talented" and "skilled: musicians and > songwriters out there have become. I think one of Jandek's greatest virtues is his commitment to his own style of self-expression without glamorizing his acknowledgable incontestable freak angle (ala Marilyn Manson). > reflected a sampling of his greatest songs: in that category I would put > "Can I See You Clock", "What Did I Hear", "The Real You", "Take My Will", > "For You and I", "Falling Down Deep", "Moon Dance" etc etc etc. These songs yeah, _you_ would put them in that category. > are almost transcendentally eerie and beautiful. Why the hell did no one > want to cover any of these songs? Instead we get Thurston Moron doing > "Painted My Teeth"! it wasn't that bad, like, I thought it was okay until I knew who was "responsible" for it. but it was no "babe I love you," genius! > And never mind the goons who do that "Have you ever > heard Jandek" atrocity (have you every heard of being so devoid of > imagination that you should shut the fuck up?) agreed. that song was one of the worst things I've ever heard. the J.D. Salinger reference totally pegged the song (in the same way that the presence of Catcher in the Rye on the Heartattack reader's poll top 5 favorite books shows us what's wrong with hardcore kids -what's up with all the "non-conformists" identifying with other "non-conformists"? how does that work? god I hate that book). > Ron k > > It's the zine writer in me... but at least here I don't have to have my own zine to respond to you... although, yeah, there was some real crap on that tribute but it wasn't all bad. and Eric, your abstinence from four letter words is L-A-M-E. go ahead, tell us to fuck ourselves, you're not any better a person for not doing it. thanks (to Ron for bringing up his dissatisfaction with the comp and Eric for putting it out), SAM Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12865 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 15:59:32 -0000 Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.49) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 15:59:32 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (pool0146.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.192.146]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28796 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39DA02B4.F8C84249@earthlink.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:00:55 -0700 From: alecw Reply-To: errora@earthlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: false prophets and the Work Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Excerpts from The Priory of Hipness Decree to all Followers of St. Jandek:

...regardless of motivations of the false prophets, the mysteries and "Work" of the true keepers of the True Flame of Hipness and Knowledge of Correct Motivations in the Interpretation of Saint Jandek and his comings and goings, so enigmatic, unfathomable and strange to the non-initiate and neophyte alike, of the true patriarchs of Indie, Obscure, d.i.y., etc. (which never fall into the pits of the Devil Music Industry), the seeker must never sway from the truth as dictated by the "Instructions in Sound" of The Most Holy of Holy trinities, The Golden Trinity:
 

Thurston = Father

Beck = Son

Kurt = Holy Ghost Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14231 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 16:19:01 -0000 Received: from web2304.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.76) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 16:19:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20001003161901.14305.qmail@web2304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.79.204.2] by web2304.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:19:01 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:19:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Subject: false prophets and the Work To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Cc: errora@earthlink.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1681692777-970589941=:14293" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --0-1681692777-970589941=:14293 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Regardless of Jandek's contributions to "music", none of these three has offered anything new and or original to "music". Listen to early Glenn Branca and you'll see where Sonic Youth got their early sound. Beck is one of the biggest chameleons ever in rock history and Kurt Cobain was just yer standard post punk rock musician . While I enjoy all three, there just ain't anything special about them. Your fan boy tendencies are on display. ...regardless of motivations of the false prophets, the mysteries and "Work" of the true keepers of the True Flame of Hipness and Knowledge of Correct Motivations in the Interpretation of Saint Jandek and his comings and goings, so enigmatic, unfathomable and strange to the non-initiate and neophyte alike, of the true patriarchs of Indie, Obscure, d.i.y., etc. (which never fall into the pits of the Devil Music Industry), the seeker must never sway from the truth as dictated by the "Instructions in Sound" of The Most Holy of Holy trinities, The Golden Trinity: Thurston = Father --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! --0-1681692777-970589941=:14293 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Regardless of Jandek's contributions to "music", none of these three has offered anything new and or original to "music".  Listen to early Glenn Branca and you'll see where Sonic Youth got their early sound.  Beck is one of the biggest chameleons ever in rock history and Kurt Cobain was just yer standard post punk rock musician .  While I enjoy all three, there just ain't anything special about them.

Your fan boy tendencies are on display.


...regardless of motivations of the false prophets, the mysteries and "Work" of the true keepers of the True Flame of Hipness and Knowledge of Correct Motivations in the Interpretation of Saint Jandek and his comings and goings, so enigmatic, unfathomable and strange to the non-initiate and neophyte alike, of the true patriarchs of Indie, Obscure, d.i.y., etc. (which never fall into the pits of the Devil Music Industry), the seeker must never sway from the truth as dictated by the "Instructions in Sound" of The Most Holy of Holy trinities, The Golden Trinity:
 

Thurston = Father



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Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! --0-1681692777-970589941=:14293-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15021 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 16:30:03 -0000 Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.74) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 16:30:03 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (pool0146.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.192.146]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13534 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39DA09D5.601EA472@earthlink.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:31:23 -0700 From: alecw Reply-To: errora@earthlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: false prophets and the Work References: <20001003161901.14305.qmail@web2304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk and i hope that greg is the last person on this list who actually took my post seriously thus missing the point entirely.  i was making fun of the darlings' cults, greg.  get it?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Greg wrote:

Regardless of Jandek's contributions to "music", none of these three has offered anything new and or original to "music".  Listen to early Glenn Branca and you'll see where Sonic Youth got their early sound.  Beck is one of the biggest chameleons ever in rock history and Kurt Cobain was just yer standard post punk rock musician .  While I enjoy all three, there just ain't anything special about them.

Your fan boy tendencies are on display.

...regardless of motivations of the false prophets, the mysteries and "Work" of the true keepers of the True Flame of Hipness and Knowledge of Correct Motivations in the Interpretation of Saint Jandek and his comings and goings, so enigmatic, unfathomable and strange to the non-initiate and neophyte alike, of the true patriarchs of Indie, Obscure, d.i.y., etc. (which never fall into the pits of the Devil Music Industry), the seeker must never sway from the truth as dictated by the "Instructions in Sound" of The Most Holy of Holy trinities, The Golden Trinity:
 

Thurston = Father
 


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Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 26374 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 19:49:28 -0000 Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.123) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 19:49:28 -0000 Received: from [63.29.89.22] (1Cust22.tnt1.steamboat-springs.co.da.uu.net [63.29.89.22]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16535 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:49:21 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:49:25 -0600 Subject: People, People Please! From: David Caddell To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Yo y'all, Waz up Alec? With making points and then returning to say "I wadn't all 'dat serious" after some other brother comes down on ya'? Hell, man, I know you dig Thurston, Beck and Kurt, ain't nobady gonna' give you no static for that - go a head and keep it as your own instead of passing off some "don't you know I'm cooler than to get into those fools." But Greg does have a point, your brothers three of the hip trinity are more like figureheads representing three factions of hip/wacked sensibility approach, and who do they have in their wake? Now here's MY list, sheeeeeeee....... Thurston = Jandek + Branca + Stockhausen + James Chance + Clint Ruin + Lamont young + a whole lotta' other crazy mutherfuckers . . . Kurt = Jandek + J. Mascis + Sonic Youth + The Sonics + Big Black + Kevin Shields + a whole lotta' other mutherfuckin' crazies . . . Beck = Jandek + Prince + Jon Spencer Blues Explosion + Beastie Boys + Quintron + a whole lotta' other crazy fuckin' muthers . . . But do the figureheads equal the sum of their parts? If I was inclined to deduct my own holy hip trinity, it would look something similar to this.... Father = Velvet Underground Son = Jandek Holy Ghost = John Coltrane Although Jandek could also sorta' qualify for holy ghost also, but I wouldn't really make such a list, anyway. And ain't that Jandek always showin' up all over the place? No THAT'S a hip brother! David "Slimehead" Slim Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1900 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 22:18:53 -0000 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 22:18:53 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (pool0086.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.192.86]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15860 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39DA5B90.A3F82B33@earthlink.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:20:41 -0700 From: alecw Reply-To: errora@earthlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: cult of the personality and the holy trin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk bloody hell, i was making a point that those three pencil neck wankers get more praise than they deserve, from smart ass critics and such. it's not their fault, it's their cults' faults. we're all guilty of some sort of personality cult affiliation. why else would we be on a list centered on the mysterious "personality" (anti-personality?) of jandek? i presented this in the form of a royal/religious decree. i thought it was funny. i wasn't seriously thinking these guys are worth all this worship so i set up my statement in a sort of worship-like style, as per our judeo-christian-freemason tradition. crikey! that's why i resented this "fan boy" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean) accusation. THAT was the comment that made me think greg missed my point. having said that, i like some sonic youth records, i like one beck record. too much clever boy hype heaped on all of them. i already lived through david byrne. i don't think i like any nirvana but cobain had a knack for pop tunes and an appropriately scratchy sort of voice. MY HOLY TRINITY THING WAS BASED IN SARCASM and not in any "FAN BOY" biz. i DON'T think of them as a holy trinity but as an OVER-HYPED triad that might as well be a HOLY TRINITY. there is a difference. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3835 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 23:28:30 -0000 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@203.109.252.8) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 23:28:30 -0000 Received: from noel-pc.ihug.co.nz (p44-max1.dun.ihug.co.nz [209.76.100.44]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA13913 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:28:22 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp2.ihug.co.nz: Host p44-max1.dun.ihug.co.nz [209.76.100.44] claimed to be noel-pc.ihug.co.nz Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20001004110547.00d07cf0@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: hiatus@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:24:30 +1300 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Hamish Noonan Subject: Re: Another comment on the tribute In-Reply-To: References: <5201285.970535003914.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >I don't know about that. I mean, having released so many albums on such a >regular schedule is a bit of a novelty and the fact that he sounds like >nothing else in the world is trully a novelty. I'm kind of missing the whole novelty act part of his music. its shows the sad state of contemporary music to think of someone following their own voice a novelty. >mean, the futility of pouring as much time and effort in his art is pretty >amusing, he's never going to become the large scale commodity such that: Whats strange about that? Nearly everyone i know is in the same predicament. Another gripe about this list now that i've finally delurked: why do people make such a big deal about the supposed mystery surrounding the man? Jandek gives more of himself on record than nearly any other artist i can think of right now. He doesn't hide behind some fancy production and you can hear more about how hes feeling from his voice than a million rewrites of VU songs on yr local student radio. There is no mystery - Jandek is the person singing the songs. Don't you think that going to a gig and seeing talentless arseholes exhibiting themselves on stage is a bigger freakshow? Or seeing some wanker explain the prententious reasons behind their latest record and the details of their tedious life across the pages of a zine? ========================================= snail: PO Box 6283, Dunedin, New Zealand phone: (03)477-7345 email: hiatus@ihug.co.nz SEA: http://www.converge.org.nz/sea/ HTH: http://unearth.octopig.org.nz/hth/ ========================================= Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8206 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 01:15:26 -0000 Received: from web111.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.81) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 01:15:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 14519 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2000 01:14:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20001004011438.14518.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.246.207.177] by web111.yahoomail.com; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:14:38 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:14:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Be Subject: A few more comments To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 eckankore@excite.com wrote: Look, dammit, Jandek is not a novelty act. --- Sam Leimer wrote: > I don't think calling anybody a novelty act or freak show isn't > necessarily an insult anyway. you probably get offended by the way porn > "objectifies people" or some such shit. and who are you to defend > Jandek? > why can't people laugh at him, don't you think he laughs at himself? The problem is that the "novelty" aspect of Jandek's music comprises roughly 35-45% of his musical output, and about 97% of the journalistic coverage of the music (Byron Coley being the only journalist I can think of that does the music justice.) Jandek has a very healthy sense of humor, and some of the albums are a riot (both intended and residually) from start to finish. However, on other albums, he ain't laughin'. He doesn't let up on the intensity of expression by allowing you to chuckle or smile (if you're really listening.) The so called "novelty" of his business practices does not taint these pieces. --- Sam Leimer wrote: >I mean, the futility of pouring as much time and effort in his art is >pretty amusing I don't consider it futile, and I don't consider it a big joke... The tribute CD was decent. A fair representation of the different sides of the Jandek catalogue. I don't like the previously mentioned T. Moore and "Have you ever heard..." tracks either, but as a whole the CD was worth the purchase. --- Hamish Noonan wrote: > Don't you think that going to a gig and seeing talentless arseholes > exhibiting themselves on stage is a bigger freakshow? Or seeing some > wanker > explain the prententious reasons behind their latest record and the > details > of their tedious life across the pages of a zine? If you release albums and cds, you are prententious. If you write books, you are prententious. If you post to discussion lists defending Jandek, you are prententious. If you exist, you are prententious. If you use the word prententious, you are prententious. If you try to insult people for being prententious, you are kidding yrself! I wish people would stop using this useless, stupid, prententious word. ===== http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9849 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 01:54:24 -0000 Received: from dns2.seanet.com (199.181.164.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 01:54:24 -0000 Received: from pgeren (dialup-63.214.14.116.Seattle1.Level3.net [63.214.14.116]) by dns2.seanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA11858 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001801c02da6$0297d5a0$740ed63f@pgeren> From: "oompa loompa" To: Subject: hmm Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:54:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C02D6B.555ECA40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C02D6B.555ECA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable jandek is some guy who plays guitar and sings. i like his music; any = attempt to decode or make myth of his music would only ruin the = listening experience. that's all. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C02D6B.555ECA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
jandek is some guy who plays guitar and = sings. i=20 like his music; any attempt to decode or make myth of his music would = only ruin=20 the listening experience. that's all.
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C02D6B.555ECA40-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10484 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 02:00:34 -0000 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 02:00:34 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (pool0472.cvx7-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.178.165.217]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17444 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39DA8F92.BF1A2EB1@earthlink.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:02:01 -0700 From: alecw Reply-To: errora@earthlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Mmm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk a list like this sometimes fills in the gaps, decodes, constructs, reconstructs and creates myths surrounding jandek, the guy who just sings and plays guitar. that's also all. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14763 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 03:44:35 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (HELO pimout1-int.prodigy.net) (207.115.63.77) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 03:44:35 -0000 Received: from 1hj73 (nas-128-249.nyc-t.navipath.net [64.20.128.249]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e943iVp182986; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:44:31 -0400 From: "b&p" To: "Hamish Noonan" , Subject: RE: Another comment on the tribute Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:45:27 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.1.20001004110547.00d07cf0@pop.ihug.co.nz> Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >>>>>>>Another gripe about this list now that i've finally delurked: why do people make such a big deal about the supposed mystery surrounding the man? Jandek gives more of himself on record than nearly any other artist i can think of right now. He doesn't hide behind some fancy production and you can hear more about how hes feeling from his voice than a million rewrites of VU songs on yr local student radio. There is no mystery - Jandek is the person singing the songs. Amen to all this. I started thinking Jandek was a sideshow freak--i.e., Irwin's "Incorrect Music"--and now credit him for having and maintaining his own unique voice. It takes guts/vision/a certain degree of insanity to go it this deeply and this much alone, and if it gives Jandek artistic and personal satisfaction to do it "his way," more power to him. If he chooses to cloak himself in impenetrable anonymity, God bless him. (Besides, from everything I've heard and read of his lyrics, I think I'd rather know his music than him personally--no offense meant.) Keep doing what you're doing, Jandek. (Probably reading this listserv and getting a great chuckle out of most of it!) >>>>>>>Don't you think that going to a gig and seeing talentless arseholes exhibiting themselves on stage is a bigger freakshow? Sure do.... >>>>>>>>Or seeing some wanker explain the prententious reasons behind their latest record and the details of their tedious life across the pages of a zine? I've interviewed plenty on the radio. Some artists are quite righteous, but way too many are triumphs of style over substance. Paul Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16503 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 04:22:37 -0000 Received: from emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.31) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 04:22:37 -0000 Received: from [158.252.131.121] (sdn-ar-003txaustP209.dialsprint.net [158.252.131.121]) by emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00347 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010040422.VAA00347@emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:11:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Another comment on the tribute From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk we make a big deal because it's so interesting that they guy would want to remain totally obscure and reclusive. most people would rather become famous or at least more well known for what they do. it adds an entirely different context to the music. and context is important (to me anyway, nope not a purist) ~jason ---------- >From: "b&p" >To: "Hamish Noonan" , >Subject: RE: Another comment on the tribute >Date: Tue, Oct 3, 2000, 10:45 PM > > >>>>>>>>Another gripe about this list now that i've finally delurked: why do >people >make such a big deal about the supposed mystery surrounding the man? Jandek >gives more of himself on record than nearly any other artist i can think of >right now. He doesn't hide behind some fancy production and you can hear >more about how hes feeling from his voice than a million rewrites of VU >songs on yr local student radio. There is no mystery - Jandek is the person >singing the songs. > >Amen to all this. I started thinking Jandek was a sideshow freak--i.e., >Irwin's "Incorrect Music"--and now credit him for having and maintaining his >own unique voice. It takes guts/vision/a certain degree of insanity to go it >this deeply and this much alone, and if it gives Jandek artistic and >personal satisfaction to do it "his way," more power to him. If he chooses >to cloak himself in impenetrable anonymity, God bless him. (Besides, from >everything I've heard and read of his lyrics, I think I'd rather know his >music than him personally--no offense meant.) > >Keep doing what you're doing, Jandek. (Probably reading this listserv and >getting a great chuckle out of most of it!) > >>>>>>>>Don't you think that going to a gig and seeing talentless arseholes >exhibiting themselves on stage is a bigger freakshow? > >Sure do.... > >>>>>>>>>Or seeing some wanker >explain the prententious reasons behind their latest record and the details >of their tedious life across the pages of a zine? > >I've interviewed plenty on the radio. Some artists are quite righteous, but >way too many are triumphs of style over substance. > >Paul > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 20662 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 06:13:48 -0000 Received: from dns2.seanet.com (199.181.164.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 06:13:48 -0000 Received: from pgeren (dialup-63.214.10.233.Seattle1.Level3.net [63.214.10.233]) by dns2.seanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA25856 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001301c02dca$3f44efa0$e90ad63f@pgeren> From: "oompa loompa" To: Subject: nm Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:13:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C02D8F.9197ECC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C02D8F.9197ECC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable jandek is making music for himself. that is why he doesn't care if = people know who he is. he puts it out and maybe people like it, maybe = they don't, but he probably doesn't care. you do it because you have to. = and if you don't want some ego thrown out there, and have people focus = on the music, why get yourself in the way? it's more common than you may think, an artist doing the art for the = sake of it, because he has to. money and recognition is not an issue = when you're negotiating your sanity with music. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C02D8F.9197ECC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
jandek is making music for himself. = that is why he=20 doesn't care if people know who he is. he puts it out and maybe people = like it,=20 maybe they don't, but he probably doesn't care. you do it because you = have to.=20 and if you don't want some ego thrown out there, and have people focus = on the=20 music, why get yourself in the way?
it's more common than you may think, an = artist=20 doing the art for the sake of it, because he has to. money and = recognition=20 is not an issue when you're negotiating your sanity with=20 music.
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C02D8F.9197ECC0-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 23615 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 07:31:34 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 07:31:34 -0000 Received: from [168.191.184.25] (sdn-ar-001txaustP263.dialsprint.net [168.191.184.25]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29789 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010040731.AAA29789@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 02:20:11 -0500 Subject: Re: nm From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3053470811_1485391_MIME_Part" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3053470811_1485391_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i think you are taliking about someone who is just indifferent to not being well known or just being known as a person period. with the overwhelming evidence presented of course i've never talked to jandek thus i can only conclude based his m.o. that he isn't indifferent to it but is specifically against (antagonistic?) it for whatever reason. no one knows specifically why. is he a prankster?, just people phobic? really really shy? just likes the myth context (a' la fahey's Blind Joe Death which was both prank and myth conscious)? or possibly all of these? who knows. i heard this from the management, don't think twice just pay the rent ~jason ---------- From: "oompa loompa" To: Subject: nm Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2000, 1:13 AM jandek is making music for himself. that is why he doesn't care if people know who he is. he puts it out and maybe people like it, maybe they don't, but he probably doesn't care. you do it because you have to. and if you don't want some ego thrown out there, and have people focus on the music, why get yourself in the way? it's more common than you may think, an artist doing the art for the sake of it, because he has to. money and recognition is not an issue when you're negotiating your sanity with music. --MS_Mac_OE_3053470811_1485391_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: nm i think you are taliking about someone who is just indifferent to not being=
well known or just being known as a person period. with the overwhelming evidence presented of course i've never talked to jandek thus i can only co= nclude based his m.o. that he isn't indifferent to it but is specifically ag= ainst (antagonistic?)
it for whatever reason. no one knows specifically why. is he a prankster?, = just
people phobic? really really shy? just likes the myth context (a' la fahey'= s Blind
Joe Death which was both prank and myth conscious)? or possibly all of thes= e?
who knows.

i heard this from the management, don't think twice just pay the rent

~jason
----------
From: "oompa loompa" <sam@seanet.com>
To: <jandek@cs.northwestern.edu>
Subject: nm
Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2000, 1:13 AM


jandek is making music for himself. that is why = he doesn't care if people know who he is. he puts it out and maybe people li= ke it, maybe they don't, but he probably doesn't care. you do it because you= have to. and if you don't want some ego thrown out there, and have people f= ocus on the music, why get yourself in the way?
it's more common than you may think, an artist doing the art for the sake o= f it, because he has to. money and recognition is not an issue when you're n= egotiating your sanity with music.

--MS_Mac_OE_3053470811_1485391_MIME_Part-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1888 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 11:48:44 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 11:48:44 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.48] (sdn-ar-001txaustP064.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.48]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25539 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 04:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010041148.EAA25539@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 06:37:11 -0500 Subject: Re: nm From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3053486231_2413895_MIME_Part" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3053486231_2413895_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit wait i just had a really good idea for a jandek documentary. obviously jandek would'nt be in it but you take his albums and various known facts and get them analised (sp?) by various (fbi or police) criminal profilers. and intermix that with various people could be anybody (a ficticious "search" for jandek) that continuously try to avoid the camera and refuse to answer any questions. have interviews with various professorial musicologist types discussing "primitive isolationism" and what not. kind of like a UFO documentary (yes! wait...no!). even include some eerily(sp?) shot footage like on that ripleys believe it or not show. wait is Jack Palance still alive? he is/was way too cool. on the other hand jack palance might make it too cheezy. ~j --MS_Mac_OE_3053486231_2413895_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: nm wait i just had a really good idea for a jandek documentary. obviously
jandek would'nt be in it but you take his albums and various known facts and get them analised (sp?) by various (fbi or police) criminal profilers.<= BR> and intermix that with various people could be anybody (a ficticious
"search" for jandek) that continuously try to avoid the camera an= d refuse to
answer any questions. have interviews with various professorial musicologis= t types
 discussing "primitive isolationism" and what not. kind of l= ike a UFO documentary (yes! wait...no!). even include some eerily(sp?)
shot footage like on that ripleys believe it or not show. wait is Jack Pala= nce
still alive? he is/was way too cool. on the other hand jack palance might m= ake it
too cheezy.

~j


--MS_Mac_OE_3053486231_2413895_MIME_Part-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5256 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 13:22:15 -0000 Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.123) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 13:22:15 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (pool0132.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.192.132]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14607 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 06:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39DB2F50.D5371F77@earthlink.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 06:23:34 -0700 From: alecw Reply-To: errora@earthlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: laughs at himself Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk he does laugh at himself.  you can even hear it on certain songs. little chuckles here and there further draws the listener in--this listener, excuse me. i remember listening to jandek records in the mostly dark, like his record covers seem to indicate, and i heard the giggled lyrics that happen every so often and felt like i was "let in" on the whole thing.

Sam Leimer wrote:

why can't people laugh at him, don't you think he laughs at himself?
Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8280 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 14:08:04 -0000 Received: from f96.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.96) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 14:08:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:07:38 -0700 Received: from 209.91.128.159 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:07:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.159] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: You Scare Me Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:07:38 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2000 14:07:38.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[73DAFAB0:01C02E0C] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I am stil relatively new to this Jandek thing, but what do y'all think is Jandek's most unsettling, unnerving song? A song that sends shivers down your spine when your listening at night alone? Or are there no songs at all? M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8518 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 14:10:25 -0000 Received: from the-jci.org (HELO jcint.the-jci.org) (141.214.75.157) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 14:10:25 -0000 Received: by the-jci.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:58:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Hickam, Robert" To: 'Darin Mitchell' , jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: You Scare Me Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:58:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk "Hey mister can you tell me", off of Glad to Get Away is my vote... -----Original Message----- From: Darin Mitchell [mailto:susseddm@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 10:08 AM To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: You Scare Me I am stil relatively new to this Jandek thing, but what do y'all think is Jandek's most unsettling, unnerving song? A song that sends shivers down your spine when your listening at night alone? Or are there no songs at all? M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9655 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 14:24:31 -0000 Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.62) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 14:24:31 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (pool0132.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.192.132]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03290 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39DB3DEF.30E56BD6@earthlink.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 07:26:04 -0700 From: alecw Reply-To: errora@earthlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: scared Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk actually, the last time i heard "OM" i got scared. come to think of it, john coltrane's and pharaoh sanders' track "OM" is also scary. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 13550 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 15:27:02 -0000 Received: from fortune-rwcmta.excite.com (HELO fortune.excite.com) (198.3.99.203) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 15:27:02 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001004152636.KORY7178.fortune.excite.com@doby.excite.com> for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:26:36 -0700 Message-ID: <20483344.970673196620.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Most haunting Jandek songs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.233.56.250 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk of what I've heard (don't have all of the albums): "I Knew You Would Leave" (Six and Six) "I'll Sit Alone and think a lot about you" (On the Way) "Only Lover" (Blue Corpse) "Can I See Your Clock" (Six and Six) "Take My Will" (Glad to Get Away) "When the Telephone Melts" (You Walk Alone) and last but not least, the very creepiest and most disturbing: "Could be Anyone" (Twelfth Apostle) Not to flog a dead horse, but no that one had the guts to try to cover any of these songs on the pukey "tribute" CD. ron k _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14646 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 15:48:42 -0000 Received: from bucky-rwcmex.excite.com (HELO bucky.excite.com) (198.3.99.218) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 15:48:42 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001004154842.MWDI12294.bucky.excite.com@doby.excite.com> for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:48:42 -0700 Message-ID: <16695371.970674522236.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Other artists that Jandekheads might like Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.233.56.250 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Just to get this out of the way, I am NOT saying that Jandek was influenced by any of these people. Only that some of their music reminds me of some of Jandek's. A relationship in spirit, in other words: Skip James "The Complete 1931 Sessions" (on Yazoo Records) I mentioned this one before. This is as dark and haunting as acoustic blues has ever gotten Loudon Wainwright III A very obscure singer-songwriter from the 70's who was a semi-regular on early episodes of "MASH". His first two records (cleverly titled "Album I" and "Album II") are all solo acoustic and have some of the off-kilter bizzare sense of humor that Jandek fans might appreciate. These albums show up in used vinyls bins *all the time* so keep an eye out if yr curious and want to spend 99 cents. As a point of reference, some of the songs on "Living in a Moon So Blue" remind me *a lot* of Loudon Wainwright III, especially "Comedy" and "Professional" ron k _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16670 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 16:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.24) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 16:23:55 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.48] (sdn-ar-001txaustP064.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.48]) by eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14691 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010041623.JAA14691@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:12:13 -0500 Subject: Re: nm From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i have no such knowledge of any village voice and regettfully live in austin. i'm assuming parkside lounge is in houston? thanks anyway though. ~J ---------- >From: Jason Cooley >To: jason pierce >Subject: Re: nm >Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2000, 9:41 AM > >if this is the same Jason Pierce that contributed to >the Village Voice's best-of last week, my band James >Kochalka Superstar is playing at Parkside Lounge >(corner of E. Houston and Attorney) on Saturday at >10:00. I think you would like it, if you like >Jandek... >--- jason pierce wrote: >> i think you are taliking about someone who is just >> indifferent to not being >> well known or just being known as a person period. >> with the overwhelming >> evidence presented of course i've never talked to >> jandek thus i can only >> conclude based his m.o. that he isn't indifferent to >> it but is specifically >> against (antagonistic?) >> it for whatever reason. no one knows specifically >> why. is he a prankster?, >> just >> people phobic? really really shy? just likes the >> myth context (a' la fahey's >> Blind >> Joe Death which was both prank and myth conscious)? >> or possibly all of >> these? >> who knows. >> >> i heard this from the management, don't think twice >> just pay the rent >> >> ~jason >> ---------- >> From: "oompa loompa" >> To: >> Subject: nm >> Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2000, 1:13 AM >> >> >> jandek is making music for himself. that is why he >> doesn't care if people >> know who he is. he puts it out and maybe people like >> it, maybe they don't, >> but he probably doesn't care. you do it because you >> have to. and if you >> don't want some ego thrown out there, and have >> people focus on the music, >> why get yourself in the way? >> it's more common than you may think, an artist doing >> the art for the sake of >> it, because he has to. money and recognition is not >> an issue when you're >> negotiating your sanity with music. >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 18162 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 16:56:11 -0000 Received: from eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.24) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 16:56:11 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.48] (sdn-ar-001txaustP064.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.48]) by eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15917 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010041656.JAA15917@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:44:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Other artists that Jandekheads might like From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk does anyone besides myself hear somekind of john lee hooker kind of thing going on as well. i was thinking that earlier. mostly just the way he plays guitar. or maybe john lee hooker records don't quite sound as i remember them. anyway very loose and slightly out of time ~j ---------- >From: eckankore@excite.com >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Other artists that Jandekheads might like >Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2000, 10:48 AM > > >Just to get this out of the way, I am NOT saying that Jandek was influenced >by any of these people. Only that some of their music reminds me of some of >Jandek's. A relationship in spirit, in other words: > >Skip James "The Complete 1931 Sessions" (on Yazoo Records) >I mentioned this one before. This is as dark and haunting as acoustic blues >has ever gotten > >Loudon Wainwright III >A very obscure singer-songwriter from the 70's who was a semi-regular on >early episodes of "MASH". His first two records (cleverly titled "Album I" >and "Album II") are all solo acoustic and have some of the off-kilter >bizzare sense of humor that Jandek fans might appreciate. These albums show >up in used vinyls bins *all the time* so keep an eye out if yr curious and >want to spend 99 cents. As a point of reference, some of the songs on >"Living in a Moon So Blue" remind me *a lot* of Loudon Wainwright III, >especially "Comedy" and "Professional" > >ron k > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Say Bye to Slow Internet! >http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19540 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 17:16:31 -0000 Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 17:16:31 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (adsl-141-151-144-94.bellatlantic.net [141.151.144.94]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08903 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200010041656.JAA15917@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <200010041656.JAA15917@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:15:20 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: Other artists that Jandekheads might like Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hmmm. There's that Lightnin' Hopkins lick in "Down at the Ball Park," which doesn't surprise me at all, considering J's Texan roots. -Maurice At 11:44 AM -0500 10/4/00, jason pierce wrote: >does anyone besides myself hear somekind of john lee hooker >kind of thing going on as well. i was thinking that earlier. >mostly just the way he plays guitar. or maybe john lee hooker records don't >quite >sound as i remember them. anyway very loose and slightly out of time > >~j -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21921 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 17:58:45 -0000 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (128.135.12.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 17:58:45 -0000 Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e94Hwje07449 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:58:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (spleimer@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e94HwjN20788 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:58:45 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: spleimer owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:58:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Sam Leimer X-Sender: spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Another comment on the tribute In-Reply-To: <200010040422.VAA00347@emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, jason pierce wrote: > we make a big deal because it's so interesting that they guy would > want to remain totally obscure and reclusive. most people would > rather become famous or at least more well known for what they do. it adds > an entirely different context to the music. > and context is important (to me anyway, nope not a purist) > > ~jason yeah And I think that's a basis for novelty. I don't think novelty is bad. and my appreciation of the Jandek novelty is not the extent of my appreciation of Jandek. but the novelty that all we're given is these recordings and that we can contextualize them however we want is really exciting. (that's what is good about the summersteps comp, even the ugly fucking wart that is the Bright Eyes track -that guy's "playing" himself). we're left to picture Jandek as a sideshow freak, an incompetent entrepreneur or someguy expressing himself. and those who assert that somebody is myopic and lame because he/she can't relate to Jandek or understand him outside of the context of the status quo recording artist-ship (but _they_ can)? that's pretty fucking pretentious of _them_ (whoever _they_ might be)! "If you don't like how I'm living then fuck you." -Ice Cube SAM Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 7360 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 22:39:28 -0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.37) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 22:39:28 -0000 Received: from Cassierosek@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id l.b5.15edf42 (4399) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:38:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Cassierosek@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:38:48 EDT Subject: Oh, that pukey tribute! To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 104 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Dearest Ron K, Yes, you have shamed me! I am a fucking pussy for not doing one of your favorite songs. Did you ever stop and possibly imagine that others may feel the same way you do about other Jandek songs? I even agree with you about the grotesque Bright Eyes track, but what made you so hostile to completely dismiss everything as a piece of garbage. I chose Spanish in Me because of personal taste and personal reasons that you are too close minded to comprehend. I am not a talented musician, nor do I have a beautiful singing voice, but I put a Iot of myself into my contribution and I know others did as well. I am not asking you to get one out over the whole thing, but I think the "zine writer lameass" in you needs to take a step back. I know you will have some gracious comments to splutter about my track. I pose you show us how to correctly cover someone as "free to interpretation" as Jandek. Please, Ron, post it as an MP3 and we can all relish in its glory. I may not be as gentle as Eric, so Ron, you could eat my cunt! X O X O, Cassie Rose Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8368 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 22:57:06 -0000 Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (209.89.75.17) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 22:57:06 -0000 Received: from ip196.ottawa11.dialup.canada.psi.net ([154.5.32.196]) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 13gxTp-0002Wq-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:57:42 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:55:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Jandek Movie From: "Sam M." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200010041148.EAA25539@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3053530549_175633_MIME_Part" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3053530549_175633_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Actually, this ain't a bad idea at all! I don't know about the fictionalized avoidance segments, but the rest sounds interesting...throw in perhaps interviews with people who've actually made contact or have particular interest (the Irwins & Seths, and that Texas Monthly reporter) and footage of the historically-important-in-the-Corwood-scheme-of-things locations (the PO box, etc)...could have a nice cross between an episode of "Investigative Reports" and one of those underground-rock doc's (eg "The Band Who Would be King", "Hated"). So who's got the seed capital/connexns to arts-funding foundations? From: "jason pierce" Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 06:37:11 -0500 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: nm wait i just had a really good idea for a jandek documentary. obviously jandek would'nt be in it but you take his albums and various known facts and get them analised (sp?) (analyzed - ed) by various (fbi or police) criminal profilers. and intermix that with various people could be anybody (a ficticious "search" for jandek) that continuously try to avoid the camera and refuse to answer any questions. have interviews with various professorial musicologist types discussing "primitive isolationism" and what not. kind of like a UFO documentary (yes! wait...no!). even include some eerily(sp?) shot footage like on that ripleys believe it or not show. wait is Jack Palance still alive? he is/was way too cool. on the other hand jack palance might make it too cheezy. ~j --MS_Mac_OE_3053530549_175633_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Jandek Movie Actually, this ain't a bad idea at all!  I don't know about the fictio= nalized avoidance segments, but the rest sounds interesting...throw in perha= ps interviews with people who've actually made contact or have particular in= terest (the Irwins & Seths, and that Texas Monthly reporter) and footage= of the historically-important-in-the-Corwood-scheme-of-things locations (th= e PO box, etc)...could have a nice cross between an episode of "Investi= gative Reports" and one of those underground-rock doc's (eg "The B= and Who Would be King", "Hated").  So who's got the seed= capital/connexns to arts-funding foundations?

From: "jason pierce" <onyxmirr@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 06:37:11 -0500
To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu
Subject: Re: nm


wait i just had a really good idea for a jandek documentary. ob= viously
jandek would'nt be in it but you take his albums and various known facts and get them analised (sp?) (analyzed - ed) by various (fbi o= r police) criminal profilers.
and intermix that with various people could be anybody (a ficticious
"search" for jandek) that continuously try to avoid the camera an= d refuse to
answer any questions. have interviews with various professorial musicologis= t types
discussing "primitive isolationism" and what not. kind of like a= UFO documentary (yes! wait...no!). even include some eerily(sp?)
shot footage like on that ripleys believe it or not show. wait is Jack Pala= nce
still alive? he is/was way too cool. on the other hand jack palance might m= ake it
too cheezy.

~j




--MS_Mac_OE_3053530549_175633_MIME_Part-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9761 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 23:20:43 -0000 Received: from dns2.seanet.com (199.181.164.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 23:20:43 -0000 Received: from pgeren (dialup-209.245.168.6.Seattle1.Level3.net [209.245.168.6]) by dns2.seanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA22674 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000e01c02e59$b23d4220$06a8f5d1@pgeren> From: "oompa loompa" To: Subject: /object Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:20:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02E1F.04B04A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02E1F.04B04A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i was trying to cover some jandek tracks: figure out the tunings, get = the timing perfected, then realized it would drive me more insane than i = already am. much respect to whoever did jandek covers on that comp. = haven't heard it but it's not as easy as it sounds, trying to replicate = musical silly putty. too many possibilities. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02E1F.04B04A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i was trying to cover some jandek = tracks: figure=20 out the tunings, get the timing perfected, then realized it would drive = me more=20 insane than i already am. much respect to whoever did jandek covers on = that=20 comp. haven't heard it but it's not as easy as it sounds, trying to = replicate=20 musical silly putty. too many possibilities.
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02E1F.04B04A60-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10618 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 23:34:34 -0000 Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 23:34:34 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (adsl-141-151-144-94.bellatlantic.net [141.151.144.94]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA19332 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000e01c02e59$b23d4220$06a8f5d1@pgeren> References: <000e01c02e59$b23d4220$06a8f5d1@pgeren> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:33:00 -0400 To: From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: /object Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk It _is_ tough. (I say this having been one of the people who sent something in, but didn't make the cut.) You have to impose some order to be able to remember the song and play it, but you can't squash the life out of the thing, either. It's a difficult balance. (And try working with a drum machine, too.) 'Course, I haven't heard the tribute yet, so I don't know how other people resolved the problem, but it is a challenge indeed. -Maurice At 4:20 PM -0700 10/4/00, oompa loompa wrote: i was trying to cover some jandek tracks: figure out the tunings, get the timing perfected, then realized it would drive me more insane than i already am. much respect to whoever did jandek covers on that comp. haven't heard it but it's not as easy as it sounds, trying to replicate musical silly putty. too many possibilities. -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11578 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 00:00:01 -0000 Received: from bucky-rwcmex.excite.com (HELO bucky.excite.com) (198.3.99.218) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 00:00:01 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001004235934.QTGN12294.bucky.excite.com@doby.excite.com>; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:59:34 -0700 Message-ID: <13146194.970703974825.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:59:34 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: Cassierosek@aol.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Oh, that pukey tribute! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.105.157.137 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:38:48 EDT, Cassierosek@aol.com wrote: I chose Spanish in Me > because of personal taste and personal reasons that you are too close minded > to comprehend. Actually I don't hate your track like the Bright Eyes and Dapper tracks. I just don't care for it too much. > but I think the "zine writer lameass" in you needs to take a step back. I > know you will have some gracious comments to splutter about my track. Since you asked, I think you sound like Mary lou Lord, who I've never liked. Happy? I pose > you show us how to correctly cover someone as "free to interpretation" as > Jandek. I don't need to Cassie. Listen to the track by Ivory Elephant. They're the only band/performer that did justice to the original and added something of their own to it, which was supposed to be the whole point. > I may not be as gentle as Eric, so Ron, you could eat my cunt! You shouldn't say that to a guy (particularly a fanzine dork guy). They might take you up on it. love ron _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19181 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 02:47:20 -0000 Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r02.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 02:47:20 -0000 Received: from Egg1000@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id l.1e.b8edf16 (6398) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:46:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Egg1000@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.b8edf16.270d4592@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:46:42 EDT Subject: primitive isolationism To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk primitive isolationism? is this stuff for real? if you think of Jandek as being anything more than a guy with a guitar, some poems, and a couple of beers and/or bong hits just doing whatever he feels like and cathcing it all on tape, then you are way off the mark... yes, his records are great, if you're the kind of person who likes that kind of stuff, but no, this man Jandek is certainly not harnessing some creative force called primitive isolationism... he's just playing around... and i can't help but think that Jandek is getting an enormous chuckle out of the prospect of this "tribute album" thing... Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22621 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 04:11:53 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (HELO pimout2-int.prodigy.net) (207.115.63.101) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 04:11:53 -0000 Received: from 1hj73 ([64.20.216.228]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e954BTg87544; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:11:29 -0400 From: "b&p" To: , Subject: RE: Other artists that Jandekheads might like Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:12:52 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <16695371.970674522236.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Loudon Wainwright III A very obscure singer-songwriter from the 70's who was a semi-regular on early episodes of "MASH". His first two records (cleverly titled "Album I" and "Album II") are all solo acoustic and have some of the off-kilter bizzare sense of humor that Jandek fans might appreciate. These albums show up in used vinyls bins *all the time* so keep an eye out if yr curious and want to spend 99 cents. As a point of reference, some of the songs on "Living in a Moon So Blue" remind me *a lot* of Loudon Wainwright III, especially "Comedy" and "Professional" FYI: LW III is hardly obscure, having had hit records (singles and albums) and been married to Kate McGarrigle. Also very self-consciously clever and intelligent--not a bad thing, but hardly is the Jandek league. Son Rufus and daughter Sloane currently recording and being justly well-recognized, too. (FYI, father, Loudon II, was writer for Life Magazine back when that meant something.) Your youth is showing, eck..... Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 23112 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 04:19:59 -0000 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.85) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 04:19:59 -0000 Received: from [63.29.89.109] (1Cust109.tnt1.steamboat-springs.co.da.uu.net [63.29.89.109]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22579 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010050419.VAA22579@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:17:02 -0700 Subject: Somethin' From: "David Caddell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hey brothers n' sisters, can't we please leave some of the angry words for our true adversaries? Don't you see that we are less empowered as a result of our internal bickering and finger pointing? Tribute album, reclusive philosophies, variations in taste - the only reason we are hearing one another's words is because we love someone who holds a special place in our hearts, and, therefore don't we also love one another just a little bit (sniff, sniff...). By the way, has anyone checked out Jandek's biography at The All Music Guide (arguably the most prominent music site on the Internet)? Here's the link: www.allmusic.com/cg/x.dll Is the tribute cd issue yet a dead horse? I think I've read enough insult tennis between ron and everyone else, now here's a question - who wrote the bio for Jandek on the all media guide? Why is the album listing incomplete? And why is there no explanation of the man? By the way, I also sent in a track for the compilation, but I didn't make the cut. I'm sure most of the people reading this would have found it unfitting to their tastes, but I liked it. So that's my point. Ron, you got a problem with the tribute? Then make your own, man, and quit whining! David Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 23622 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 04:28:19 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (HELO pimout2-int.prodigy.net) (207.115.63.101) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 04:28:19 -0000 Received: from 1hj73 (nas-216-228.nyc-t.navipath.net [64.20.216.228]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e954SGg15240; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:28:16 -0400 From: "b&p" To: "jason pierce" , Subject: RE: Other artists and stuff Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:29:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200010041656.JAA15917@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Jason, FYI, The Village Voice is/was probably New York's leading alt weekly--even now, despite corporate ownership. I hear where your John Lee Hooker parallel comes from. Maurice, Lightnin' Hopkins and the other early electric blues guys, too. Y'all could be onto something..... Oompa: rather than replicate Jandek's "tempi," use the original as a starting point and expand the song to how _you_ as an artist would interpret it, as inspiration for your vision. This is where the Skip Spence Oar tribute shines at its best, IMHO. (Oh, I forgot--all tributes are shit, right?! But even if they are, isn't it good that someone cared enough about the artist to assemble one?) (Crass commercial sellouts and ripoffs of million-selling hacks excluded, of course.) Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24105 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 04:33:46 -0000 Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.121) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 04:33:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 5787 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2000 04:33:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20001005043339.5786.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.246.207.47] by web120.yahoomail.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 21:33:39 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:33:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Be Subject: songs that didn't make the cut To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I hope that some of the covers that didn't make the cut for the Summersteps CD will soon be available on mp3, so we can check 'em out. I guess not everyone on the list would be interested in hearing them, but I would. ===== http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24635 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 04:49:17 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 04:49:17 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.220] (sdn-ar-002txaustP180.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.220]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04591 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010050449.VAA04591@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 23:37:31 -0500 Subject: re:isolationism From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk well his music is somewhat primitive. and since he doesn't associate with other musicians or even play out one could call that an isolationist behavior. hence primitive isolationist. another isolationist behavioral pattern he exhibits is that he doesn't musically acknowledge things like current trends, modernity etc. (intentionally conscious of it or not there is no acknowledgement of current musical tastes in his music) did jandek actually tell you that he is just a beer drinker with a guitar and some poems? even if he did (which i seriously doubt) that wouldn't make him any less of a "primitive isolationist". you are evaluating him based on his intentions when you don't know what they are. primitive isolationism is a pretty good term to describe what he DOES not what he is INTENDING TO DO. plus you are missing the point in that whole musicologist theme is a good natured poke at the musicologist phenomena. i like the fact that professorial types sit around and analyze primitive forms of music mostly folk or blues, it is quite interesting. yet it is also very funny as well. and when i see something that is quite serious and scientific yet also has an absurd ironic side to it. i'm thinking "god damn that would make for a fine element in a film" i mean guys with PHDs debating idioms of primative music forms? that is so rich. ~j ---------- >From: Egg1000@aol.com >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: primitive isolationism >Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2000, 9:46 PM > >well his music is somewhat primitive. and since he doesn't associate >with other musicians or even play out one could call that an isolationist >behavior. hence primitive isolationist. another isolationist behavioral pattern >he exhibits is that he doesn't musically acknowledge things like >current trends, modernity etc. (intentionally conscious of it or not >there is no acknowledgement of current musical tastes) > >did jandek actually tell you that he is just a beer drinker with a guitar >and some poems? even if he did (which i seriously doubt) that wouldn't >make him any less of a "primitive isolationist". you are evaluating him >based on his intentions when you don't know what they are. > >primitive isolationism is a pretty good term to describe what >he DOES not what he is INTENDING TO DO. plus you are missing the >point in that whole musicologist theme is a good natured poke >at the musicologist phenomena. i like the fact that professorial >types sit around and analyze primitive forms of music mostly >folk or blues, it is quite interesting. yet it is also very funny as >well. and when i see something that is quite serious and scientific yet >also has an absurd ironic side to it. i'm thinking "god damn >that would make for a fine element in a film" i mean guys with PHDs >debating idioms of primative music forms? that is so rich. > >~j > > >primitive isolationism? is this stuff for real? if you think of Jandek as >being anything more than a guy with a guitar, some poems, and a couple of >beers and/or bong hits just doing whatever he feels like and cathcing it all >on tape, then you are way off the mark... > >yes, his records are great, if you're the kind of person who likes that kind >of stuff, but no, this man Jandek is certainly not harnessing some creative >force called primitive isolationism... he's just playing around... > >and i can't help but think that Jandek is getting an enormous chuckle out of >the prospect of this "tribute album" thing... > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24772 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 04:49:33 -0000 Received: from gigi.excite.com (199.172.152.110) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 04:49:33 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001005044906.PTNR5872.gigi.excite.com@doby.excite.com>; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:49:06 -0700 Message-ID: <23079359.970721346201.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:49:06 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: BSANDPP@prodigy.net, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: Other artists that Jandekheads might like Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.105.157.84 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk FYI: I'm 32 years old. Ain't no goddamn youth... FYI: Don't know who Kate McGargle is, don't fucking care FYI: Like the majority of the world, I don't have the scoop on Loudon Wainwright III's family FYI: I was only comparing THE FIRST TWO Wainwright III albums (the all-acoustic ones) to Jandek. Pay attention, you shit Your pomposity is showing > FYI: LW III is hardly obscure, having had hit records (singles and albums) > and been married to Kate McGarrigle. Also very self-consciously clever and > intelligent--not a bad thing, but hardly is the Jandek league. Son Rufus and > daughter Sloane currently recording and being justly well-recognized, too. > (FYI, father, Loudon II, was writer for Life Magazine back when that meant > something.) > > Your youth is showing, eck..... > _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 25851 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 05:08:06 -0000 Received: from kuku-rwcmta.excite.com (HELO kuku.excite.com) (198.3.99.63) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 05:08:06 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001005050739.ORYO7843.kuku.excite.com@doby.excite.com>; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:07:39 -0700 Message-ID: <20256132.970722459586.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:07:39 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: dullfly@earthlink.net, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Somethin' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.105.157.84 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:17:02 -0700, David Caddell wrote: > Is the tribute cd issue yet a dead horse? I think I've read enough insult > tennis between ron and everyone else, In case you haven't noticed I've posted other messages totally unrelated to the shitty tribute album. I'd be happy if no one mentioned the blasted thing again... Ron, you got > a problem with the tribute? Then make your own, man, and quit whining! I'm not whining at all. It's people who can't take criticism like Ewic and Cassie who are doing the whining love all around, ron _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 28503 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 06:13:26 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 06:13:26 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.220] (sdn-ar-002txaustP180.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.220]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02004 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010050613.XAA02004@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 01:01:37 -0500 Subject: From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i was thinking more to use as a loose model that psuedo? documentary "the falls" by peter greenway. (if no one has seen this as it is a very obcsure early greenway film lasting around four hours, a meticulous catalogue of documentantion of a cross section of victims of the "violent unknown event" ,the victims names have "fall" in them ex. Constance Fallaby etc. then i highly reccomend it). i would totally want to have possibly stated by narrator suspected "associate" of corwood industies so and so "denied any such knowledge of jandek and refused to be interviewed" etc. definately nothing with famous people that think he is cool like beck or something anyway i'm going to try to contact organisations like smithsonian folkways who have a history of interest in documentaries and reasearch. for possible funding or any resource. and if any of those groups decline for lack of interest in jandek (because he may not be folky or historical enough) i'll put that in too. if i can scrape up the money with my lack of documentary experience credentials i'll definately do it. ~j >Actually, this ain't a bad idea at all! I don't know about the >fictionalized avoidance segments, but the rest sounds interesting...throw >in perhaps interviews with people who've actually made contact or have >particular interest (the Irwins & Seths, and that Texas Monthly reporter) >and footage of the historically-important-in-the-Corwood-scheme-of-things >locations (the PO box, etc)...could have a nice cross between an episode of >"Investigative Reports" and one of those underground-rock doc's (eg "The >Band Who Would be King", "Hated"). So who's got the seed capital/connexns >to arts-funding foundations? Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8409 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 11:16:39 -0000 Received: from casbah.acns.nwu.edu (HELO casbah.it.northwestern.edu) (129.105.16.52) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 11:16:39 -0000 Received: (from zomno@localhost) by casbah.it.northwestern.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA16520; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 06:16:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200010051116.GAA16520@casbah.it.northwestern.edu> Subject: Re: Oh, that pukey tribute! To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 06:16:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl Youngdahl" Cc: zomno@casbah.it.northwestern.edu (Carl Youngdahl) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Ron K. says: > In case you haven't noticed I've posted other messages totally unrelated to > the shitty tribute album. I'd be happy if no one mentioned the blasted > thing again... Well, you started it. You know what they say about making your bed... > > Ron, you got > > a problem with the tribute? Then make your own, man, and quit whining! > I'm not whining at all. It's people who can't take criticism like Ewic and > Cassie who are doing the whining They didn't whine any more than you did. It's not at all clear Eric and Cassie "couldn't take the criticism". Rather, they responded to personal attacks, as is natural. In fairness, there was some critique among your bile, and they both responded in a very straightforward, non-whining way to those bits of criticism. But back to the point: instead of taking the personal attacks and rudeness lying down, they fought back. What do you expect? > love all around, That's cool with me -- though you should realize that you're the only person I've ever seen on Jandek-l who came out of nowhere with personal attacks, meaning no one insulted you first. That's including the fact Jandek-l gets pretty testy sometimes. > ron Carl Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10895 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 12:30:42 -0000 Received: from changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (141.211.144.17) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 12:30:42 -0000 Received: from pm683-14.dialip.mich.net (pm683-14.dialip.mich.net [207.73.72.168]) by changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.2r) with ESMTP id IAA21489 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 08:39:52 -0400 From: Greg Baise To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Oh, that pukey tribute! Message-ID: <72583614.970735192@pm683-14.dialip.mich.net> In-Reply-To: <13146194.970703974825.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Originator-Info: login-id=gjbaise; server=g.imap.itd.umich.edu X-Mailer: Mulberry (Win32) [1.4.3, s/n S-399020] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --On Wednesday, October 04, 2000, 4:59 PM -0700 eckankore@excite.com wrote: > a fanzine dork guy you forgot the "frustrated" part. see you in next year's chunklet, buddy. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15166 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 14:27:15 -0000 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (128.135.12.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 14:27:15 -0000 Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e95EREe20705 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:27:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (spleimer@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e95ERDB11923 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:27:13 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: spleimer owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:27:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Sam Leimer X-Sender: spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: re:isolationism In-Reply-To: <200010050449.VAA04591@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, jason pierce wrote: > at the musicologist phenomena. i like the fact that professorial > types sit around and analyze primitive forms of music mostly > folk or blues, it is quite interesting. yet it is also very funny as > well. and when i see something that is quite serious and scientific yet > also has an absurd ironic side to it. i'm thinking "god damn > that would make for a fine element in a film" i mean guys with PHDs > debating idioms of primative music forms? that is so rich. there's a pretty funny Terry Southern story like this, I forget what it's called but it's in the Red Dirt Marijuana compendium. The story is about Jazz and professors (I think it's called "You're too hip baby," but it might be a different story in the book, all my books are in storage). man, the Loudon Wainwright III cd from like 2 years ago was the worst fucking white man contemporary blues album I've ever heard. The Rufus Wainwright stuff is pretty good though (although it's pretty "gay" in all senses of the word). capitol just reissued the Lennon/Plastic Ono Band s/t and Ono/Lennon's double fantasy, weird, SAM Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16259 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 14:48:42 -0000 Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.123) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 14:48:42 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (pool0083.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.192.83]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15826 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39DC951A.2D771FBA@earthlink.com> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 07:50:12 -0700 From: alecw Reply-To: errora@earthlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: primi iso Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk hang about, why is this so rich?  western scientists/PhD types have always done this (analyze stuff).  why wouldn't researchers of this stripe not take that style of analytical observation to music?  in their own way, they obviously care about the music and they describe it in terms that they think best suit what they observe.  how could it be anything besides neither-here-nor-there?  or neither-hear-nor-there.  it can be dry, interesting or informative, depending on what you want to get out of terms like "primitive isolationism."

musical ethnomusicality, this is no different than the field which involves the decoding of so-called "dead" or secret languages or figuring out what 10,000 year-old glyphs on the side of a mountain arnhem land, australia, say about the "native" people who painted, spit or scratched them.

i've got lots of ethnomusicological type of recordings and they're always interesting even though they're completely out of context.

jandek always had a similar feel for me as some of these pretty "way out" sounds of the "primitives".
 

jason pierce wrote:

> at the musicologist phenomena. i like the fact that professorial
> types sit around and analyze primitive forms of music mostly
> folk or blues, it is quite interesting. yet it is also very funny as
> well. and when i see something that is quite serious and scientific yet
> also has an absurd ironic side to it. i'm thinking "god damn
> that would make for a fine element in a film" i mean guys with PHDs
> debating idioms of primative music forms? that is so rich. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 18271 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 15:18:52 -0000 Received: from fortune-rwcmta.excite.com (HELO fortune.excite.com) (198.3.99.203) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 15:18:52 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001005151846.TUPA7178.fortune.excite.com@doby.excite.com>; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:18:46 -0700 Message-ID: <15425471.970759126227.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:18:46 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: errora@earthlink.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: primi iso Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.233.56.250 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Jusy an anecdote: I have the intro to "Remains the Same" on my answering machine. When a colleague of mine who's into world music called me he was puzzled by this. He wanted to know why I was into Japanese koto music all of a sudden. Go figure... ron On Thu, 05 Oct 2000 07:50:12 -0700, errora@earthlink.com wrote: hang about, why is this so rich? western scientists/PhD types have always done this (analyze stuff). why wouldn't researchers of this stripe not take that style of analytical observation to music? in their own way, they obviously care about the music and they describe it in terms that they think best suit what they observe. how could it be anything besides neither-here-nor-there? or neither-hear-nor-there. it can be dry, interesting or informative, depending on what you want to get out of terms like "primitive isolationism." musical ethnomusicality, this is no different than the field which involves the decoding of so-called "dead" or secret languages or figuring out what 10,000 year-old glyphs on the side of a mountain arnhem land, australia, say about the "native" people who painted, spit or scratched them. i've got lots of ethnomusicological type of recordings and they're always interesting even though they're completely out of context. jandek always had a similar feel for me as some of these pretty "way out" sounds of the "primitives". _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19445 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 15:35:01 -0000 Received: from f94.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.94) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 15:35:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:34:34 -0700 Received: from 209.91.128.141 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:34:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.141] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: What Jandek Sounds Like To Me Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:34:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 15:34:34.0917 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3850D50:01C02EE1] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Excuse me if y'all have discussed this stuff before, but I've only been on the list a week or so, so I'm gonna toss out my impressions. When I listen to J on my stereo in the day, (or if my sis happens by she kinda chuckles) and to a point, I enjoy it and say this is difficult stuff to listen to. But when I go to bed and pop J in my portable cd player and put on those headphones, well, there are times when I am truly irked. Fuck it, sometimes I am scared, truly scared. I'll find it even hard to go to sleep. It's so unsettling. It feels like he's right there, singing to me. Anyway, that's that. I also get the impression that this stuff is recorded in a cellar or basement. It has the background sound to it, which I am accustomed to, so that's what I think. The drums on the New Town sleeve are set up for a left handed drummer, if I'm seeing it correctly. Could J be left handed? Do you think he's playing the drums (I do)? I know on another sleeve he's holding the guitar with the other hand, but... I was thinking when listening to J that, without question, he knows how to play guitar. Why he chooses to play out of tune and fractured I don't know (although it fucking works, you tend to pay attention more when things aren't apparently correct). Once i a while I'll try to emulate his style, impossible. So when I tried left handed, and outta tune, it worked a hell of a lot better. But for some reason I get the impression that he can play traditional guitar. Just get that feeling... Has anyone ever wondered that for J's solo-solo stuff if he's recording in a room by himself, or do you think there are other people in the room along with him (for me, that makes it even more spooky)? I don't have the whole J collection: are there any songs where he lets loose and screams? Anyway, I have more to say, no time to say it. Peace. M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 20183 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 15:50:32 -0000 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.22) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 15:50:32 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (pool0959.cvx7-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.178.167.194]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06255 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39DCA384.E29F10F1@earthlink.com> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 08:51:45 -0700 From: alecw Reply-To: errora@earthlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: What Jandek Sounds Like To Me References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk wow, jandek, a left-handed drummer. that would make perfect sense that jandek is left-handed. it just adds to everything left field going on. that's also a good point about daytime vs nightime listening. i have to be in an upbeat mood to take in jandek most of the time. although, as someone pointed out, the jandek thing can take you places when you're in a bad mood too. what i like about daylight listening, though, is that the atmospherics of the household found in his songs (the basement?) are more "trippy" as opposed to depressing and/or scary. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22081 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 16:18:34 -0000 Received: from eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.24) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 16:18:34 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.76] (sdn-ar-001txaustP116.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.76]) by eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12700 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010051618.JAA12700@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:06:46 -0500 Subject: Re: primi iso From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3053588806_1390098_MIME_Part" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3053588806_1390098_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit well everything you say is quite true and i would agree, yet there is i think an ironic side to it in it's absence of context. by archiving "dead" music and removing it's context suggest an entirely different unforseen context. well they best analogy i've heard for this is you go to a museum and locked in a glass case surrounded by guards is an old book with a green velvet cover that has a relief of a pair of female breast protruding out (anatomicaly correct of course) and the title of the book is "touch me" so the richness is in the pileing up of ironies and context. that and it's just quite a very "unprimative" method for studying "primative" music. it just seems to me to be a very complex thing. again i also bring up Faheys "blind joe death" record in that a few "extremely knowledgable" critics mistook it for an "authentic" lost blues recording from the early 1900s or so. that's what i meant by rich i guess. for an even better example visit this link: {www.johnfahey.com/reality.htm} ~j ---------- From: alecw To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: primi iso Date: Thu, Oct 5, 2000, 9:50 AM hang about, why is this so rich? western scientists/PhD types have always done this (analyze stuff). why wouldn't researchers of this stripe not take that style of analytical observation to music? in their own way, they obviously care about the music and they describe it in terms that they think best suit what they observe. how could it be anything besides neither-here-nor-there? or neither-hear-nor-there. it can be dry, interesting or informative, depending on what you want to get out of terms like "primitive isolationism." musical ethnomusicality, this is no different than the field which involves the decoding of so-called "dead" or secret languages or figuring out what 10,000 year-old glyphs on the side of a mountain arnhem land, australia, say about the "native" people who painted, spit or scratched them. i've got lots of ethnomusicological type of recordings and they're always interesting even though they're completely out of context. jandek always had a similar feel for me as some of these pretty "way out" sounds of the "primitives". jason pierce wrote: > at the musicologist phenomena. i like the fact that professorial > types sit around and analyze primitive forms of music mostly > folk or blues, it is quite interesting. yet it is also very funny as > well. and when i see something that is quite serious and scientific yet > also has an absurd ironic side to it. i'm thinking "god damn > that would make for a fine element in a film" i mean guys with PHDs > debating idioms of primative music forms? that is so rich. --MS_Mac_OE_3053588806_1390098_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: primi iso

well everything you say is quite true and i would agree, yet there is i thi= nk
an ironic side to it in it's absence of context. by archiving "dead&qu= ot; music
and removing it's context suggest an entirely different unforseen context.<= BR> well they best analogy i've heard for this is you go to a museum
and locked in a glass case surrounded by guards is an old book with a
green velvet cover that has a relief of a pair of female breast protruding<= BR> out (anatomicaly correct of course) and the title of the book is "touc= h me"
so the richness is in the pileing up of ironies and context. that and it's = just
quite a very "unprimative" method for studying "primative&qu= ot; music. it just
seems to me to be a very complex thing. again i also bring up Faheys
"blind joe death" record in that a few "extremely knowledgab= le" critics  mistook
it for an "authentic" lost blues recording from the early 1900s o= r so.
that's what i meant by rich i guess. for an even better example
visit this link: {www.johnfahey.com/reality.htm}

~j


 
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From: alecw <errora@earthlink.net>
To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu
Subject: primi iso
Date: Thu, Oct 5, 2000, 9:50 AM


hang about, why is this so rich?  western scientist= s/PhD types have always done this (analyze stuff).  why wouldn't resear= chers of this stripe not take that style of analytical observation to music?= in their own way, they obviously care about the music and they describe it = in terms that they think best suit what they observe.  how could it be = anything besides neither-here-nor-there?  or neither-hear-nor-there. it= can be dry, interesting or informative, depending on what you want to get o= ut of terms like "primitive isolationism."

musical ethnomusicality, this is no different than the field which involves= the decoding of so-called "dead" or secret languages or figuring = out what 10,000 year-old glyphs on the side of a mountain arnhem land, austr= alia, say about the "native" people who painted, spit or scratched= them.

i've got lots of ethnomusicological type of recordings and they're always i= nteresting even though they're completely out of context.

jandek always had a similar feel for me as some of these pretty "way o= ut" sounds of the "primitives".
 

jason pierce wrote:

> at the musicologist phenomena. i like the fact that professorial
> types sit around and analyze primitive forms of music mostly
> folk or blues, it is quite interesting. yet it is also very funny as <= BR> > well. and when i see something that is quite serious and scientific ye= t
> also has an absurd ironic side to it. i'm thinking "god damn
> that would make for a fine element in a film" i mean guys with PH= Ds
> debating idioms of primative music forms? that is so rich.
--MS_Mac_OE_3053588806_1390098_MIME_Part-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22406 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 16:22:14 -0000 Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r02.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 16:22:14 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id l.f2.3499fa9 (4225) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:21:31 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:21:30 EDT Subject: Re: What Jandek Sounds Like To Me To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk The drummer might be left handed because he only has a left hand...seriously, whoever is drumming is NOT using two hands, and the drums may be set up to accommodate that style. Who knows... In a message dated 10/5/00 11:35:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, susseddm@hotmail.com writes: > The drums on the New Town sleeve are set up for a left handed drummer, if > I'm seeing it correctly. Could J be left handed? Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24848 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 17:02:20 -0000 Received: from bucky-rwcmex.excite.com (HELO bucky.excite.com) (198.3.99.218) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 17:02:20 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001005170153.EIEA24605.bucky.excite.com@doby.excite.com>; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:01:53 -0700 Message-ID: <26088293.970765313796.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:01:53 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: susseddm@hotmail.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: What Jandek Sounds Like To Me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.233.56.250 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:34:34 GMT, Darin Mitchell wrote: > I don't have the whole J collection: are there any songs where he lets loose > and screams? There are a couple of tracks on "Living in a Moon So Blue", "Supression" and "Professional", where he really sounds agitated and yells the lyrics. There are probably other examples from different albums Ron _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 26305 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 17:24:50 -0000 Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 17:24:50 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (adsl-141-151-144-94.bellatlantic.net [141.151.144.94]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA26917 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:23:40 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: What Jandek Sounds Like To Me Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk At 3:34 PM +0000 10/5/00, Darin Mitchell wrote: > >I don't have the whole J collection: are there any songs where he >lets loose and screams? > I have an affection for _You Walk Alone_ and _Blue Corpse_, which are my first exposure to J's music, and he does some really haunting screams on them. "Your Other Man" has some otherworldly ones, and on "Harmonica" he actually screams through one. (Both on _BC_) "Time and Space," "Quinn Boys II," and "War Dance" (_YWA_) have some good ones. And to tie some stuff together, his guitar playing in that period reveals some chops. After a layoff of keeping up with his stuff, I was shocked a few years ago to hear how he'd turned back to the old style on the CDs. -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27382 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 17:45:52 -0000 Received: from f218.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.218) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 17:45:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:45:23 -0700 Received: from 208.194.203.72 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:45:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.194.203.72] From: "Christina Carter" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Jandek Movie Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:45:23 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 17:45:23.0896 (UTC) FILETIME=[09E03380:01C02EF4] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk When I was working in a record store in Houston around 1990-1991 (?) a fellow came in and said that he was going to make a Jandek documentary movie. Wanted to know our thoughts about it. We were a little confused at the time. Don't know who he was or what he had in mind or if he got it done. Christina >From: "Sam M." >To: >Subject: Re: Jandek Movie >Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:55:49 -0400 > >Actually, this ain't a bad idea at all! I don't know about the >fictionalized avoidance segments, but the rest sounds interesting...throw >in >perhaps interviews with people who've actually made contact or have >particular interest (the Irwins & Seths, and that Texas Monthly reporter) >and footage of the historically-important-in-the-Corwood-scheme-of-things >locations (the PO box, etc)...could have a nice cross between an episode of >"Investigative Reports" and one of those underground-rock doc's (eg "The >Band Who Would be King", "Hated"). So who's got the seed capital/connexns >to arts-funding foundations? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 30250 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 18:51:31 -0000 Received: from f175.law9.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.9.175) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 18:51:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:51:04 -0700 Received: from 209.180.171.84 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:51:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.180.171.84] From: "Ryan Matheson" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: What Jandek Sounds Like To Me Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:51:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 18:51:04.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[36B5C6A0:01C02EFD] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >Has anyone ever wondered that for J's solo-solo stuff if he's recording in >a >room by himself, or do you think there are other people in the room along >with him (for me, that makes it even more spooky)? I was kind of creeped out by "Long Way" on Blue Corpse where another guy laughs audibly at the end. For some reason that shocked me--the fact that someone was there, watching (but most likely that other guy was playing guitar or something). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31716 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 19:16:23 -0000 Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.62) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 19:16:23 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (pool1142.cvx7-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.178.168.122] (may be forged)) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18223; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39DCD3A6.C553354@earthlink.com> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:16:57 -0700 From: alecw Reply-To: errora@earthlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jason pierce CC: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: primi iso References: <200010051618.JAA12700@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i'm a fahey fan also.  he played at eli's mile high club in oakland and The Thurst was in the audience!

yeah, i'm aware of the ironies involved in ethnomusicological analysis.  you brought up a good point about non-primitive methods for studying so-called "primitive" or "dead" (?) musics.  that's just what the western world's this-world-is-all-there-is style of "science" has pretty much been about, since the days of isaac newton and others.

funny, isn't it?

speaking of that fahey example you brought up, the german band can also played on this idea with their ethnographical recordings series, which are really worth listening to.

basically, i'm still a fan of ethnomusicological recordings, decontextualisation and all, just because the sounds of these recordings (people's singing styles, musical scales, harmonies, dis-harmonies) are all so inspiring to the ear.

--a
 
 
 

jason pierce wrote:

 

well everything you say is quite true and i would agree, yet there is i think
an ironic side to it in it's absence of context. by archiving "dead" music
and removing it's context suggest an entirely different unforseen context.
well they best analogy i've heard for this is you go to a museum
and locked in a glass case surrounded by guards is an old book with a
green velvet cover that has a relief of a pair of female breast protruding
out (anatomicaly correct of course) and the title of the book is "touch me"
so the richness is in the pileing up of ironies and context. that and it's just
quite a very "unprimative" method for studying "primative" music. it just
seems to me to be a very complex thing. again i also bring up Faheys
"blind joe death" record in that a few "extremely knowledgable" critics  mistook
it for an "authentic" lost blues recording from the early 1900s or so.
that's what i meant by rich i guess. for an even better example
visit this link: {www.johnfahey.com/reality.htm}

~j
 
 

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From: alecw <errora@earthlink.net>
To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu
Subject: primi iso
Date: Thu, Oct 5, 2000, 9:50 AM
 
 

hang about, why is this so rich?  western scientists/PhD types have always done this (analyze stuff).  why wouldn't researchers of this stripe not take that style of analytical observation to music? in their own way, they obviously care about the music and they describe it in terms that they think best suit what they observe.  how could it be anything besides neither-here-nor-there?  or neither-hear-nor-there. it can be dry, interesting or informative, depending on what you want to get out of terms like "primitive isolationism."

musical ethnomusicality, this is no different than the field which involves the decoding of so-called "dead" or secret languages or figuring out what 10,000 year-old glyphs on the side of a mountain arnhem land, australia, say about the "native" people who painted, spit or scratched them.

i've got lots of ethnomusicological type of recordings and they're always interesting even though they're completely out of context.

jandek always had a similar feel for me as some of these pretty "way out" sounds of the "primitives".
 

jason pierce wrote:

> at the musicologist phenomena. i like the fact that professorial
> types sit around and analyze primitive forms of music mostly
> folk or blues, it is quite interesting. yet it is also very funny as
> well. and when i see something that is quite serious and scientific yet
> also has an absurd ironic side to it. i'm thinking "god damn
> that would make for a fine element in a film" i mean guys with PHDs
> debating idioms of primative music forms? that is so rich.

Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 32353 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 19:24:52 -0000 Received: from fortune-rwcmta.excite.com (HELO fortune.excite.com) (198.3.99.203) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 19:24:52 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001005192425.VVSR7178.fortune.excite.com@doby.excite.com> for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:24:25 -0700 Message-ID: <17437889.970773865500.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:24:25 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: What Jandek Sounds Like To Me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.233.56.250 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > And to tie some stuff together, his guitar playing in that period > reveals some chops. After a layoff of keeping up with his stuff, I > was shocked a few years ago to hear how he'd turned back to the old > style on the CDs. > > > > -- > Maurice Rickard > http://mauricerickard.com/ Those "middle period" Jandek albums have other people on them. Side one of "On the Way" has tracks that feature a full-on (if minimal) garage band. "Follow Your Footsteps" and "You Walk Alone" also seem to have other players on them... Though the truly bizzaro "I Woke Up" has some tracks that feature another vocalist... ron _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1775 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 20:01:57 -0000 Received: from gigi.excite.com (199.172.152.110) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 20:01:57 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001005200156.FIIR8259.gigi.excite.com@doby.excite.com> for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:01:56 -0700 Message-ID: <13604878.970776116093.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:01:56 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Charalambides Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.233.56.250 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:45:23 CDT, Christina Carter wrote: > When I was working in a record store in Houston around 1990-1991 (?) a > fellow came in and said that he was going to make a Jandek documentary > movie. Wanted to know our thoughts about it. We were a little confused at > the time. Don't know who he was or what he had in mind or if he got it done. > > Christina > > You wouldn't happen to be the Christina Carter from Charalambides would you? (I'm new here). If so, I really dig your music (especially "Our Bed is Green" and the track you did on "Harmony of the Spheres"). Heard you did a cover of "Variant". Is that on an album or CD that can be bought anywhere? Ron _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2546 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 20:10:55 -0000 Received: from f176.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.176) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 20:10:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:10:28 -0700 Received: from 209.91.128.145 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 20:10:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.145] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 20:10:28 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 20:10:28.0772 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E62DE40:01C02F08] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Ever wonder if Jandek has ever tried playing live in front of an audience in a bar somewhere (or under a different name some place, some other country?)? Perhaps between '78 and '81 he tried a few times, clearly it would have been a disaster, then he just shelved that idea and went back to recording and releasing. Anyway, I was looking at some more pictures on the sleeves: are you guys sure that's the same person. "Requiem" looks like somebody different: dad perhaps. That also got me thinking, perhaps the guest performers are close relations to Jandek. People, generally, have big mouths, so you would think that someone would have said something about playing with Jandek by now. That's not something you keep secret. In my mind, a family member would be more likely to keep the goods a secret than a friend or an acquaintance. And with the type of listeners Jandek probably has: those that are willing to look for genuine art and those that have no clue and think he's Christ or something - that someone other than the Texas Monthly lady would have tracked him down (perhaps people have and just haven't said anything or nobody believes them). And I find it funny that no weirdo just didn't/doesn't sit in front of the P.O. box in Houston and wait for whoever picks up the daily or weekly mail and talks to them. Not something I would do, but you would think by now... Also, some of the songs I've noticed, musically, sound as if they could have been recorded right after one another. I haven't been listening all that closely, but I wonder if he just doesn't record an entire album in one sitting. Who knows. Who cares? M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 7178 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 21:49:21 -0000 Received: from bert.traverse.net (HELO neumann.traverse.net) (207.140.226.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 21:49:21 -0000 Received: from pm3-c-s16.traverse.net ([207.140.227.16] helo=datapimp.org) by neumann.traverse.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13hIsh-0002Cw-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:48:49 -0400 Message-ID: <39DCF88E.52455F54@datapimp.org> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:54:22 -0400 From: Brian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jandek@cs.northwestern.edu" Subject: Re: What Jandek Sounds Like To Me References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > > When I listen to J on my stereo in the day, (or if my sis happens by she > kinda chuckles) and to a point, I enjoy it and say this is difficult stuff > to listen to. But when I go to bed and pop J in my portable cd player and > put on those headphones, well, there are times when I am truly irked. Fuck > it, sometimes I am scared, truly scared. I'll find it even hard to go to > sleep. It's so unsettling. It feels like he's right there, singing to me. > Anyway, that's that. I've tried something similar which has been quite surreal. One night this summer I was driving down an old country road. It was a full moon, and the sky was clear. I put Jandek in the CD player (I'm not sure but it might have been Living in a Moon So Blue), and turned off my headlights. Pretty creepy (albeit stupid to drive around with no headlights on). Some of Jandek's stuff has that indescribable creepy feeling to it. I get a similar feeling with Zoviet France's "Garista," Charalambides' "Internal Eternal," and the soundtrack to "Silent Hill." > I also get the impression that this stuff is recorded in a cellar or > basement. It has the background sound to it, which I am accustomed to, so > that's what I think. I always pictured Jandek in a big warehouse (either empty or just after hours) for most of his recordings. Although I probably get this impression from the types of reverb he uses. Anyway, that's my 2 pence. -Brian Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9100 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 22:33:22 -0000 Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.121) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 22:33:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 11974 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2000 22:33:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20001005223317.11973.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.41.8.30] by web120.yahoomail.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:33:17 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:33:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Be Subject: Re: What Jandek Sounds Like To Me To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Darin Mitchell wrote: > Has anyone ever wondered that for J's solo-solo stuff if he's recording > in a > room by himself, or do you think there are other people in the room > along > with him (for me, that makes it even more spooky)? On 6&6 you can hear the sound of the tape recorder clicking off. It sounds to me like he just finishes the song, then reaches over & turns the tape machine off himself. No need for an recording engineer :) > I don't have the whole J collection: are there any songs where he lets > loose > and screams? Your Condition, Ballad of Robert, You Painted your teeth, Electric end, You Think You Know How To Score and the wonderful "Message to the clerk" are a few of the screamers... ===== http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 13849 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2000 00:23:57 -0000 Received: from kuku-rwcmta.excite.com (HELO kuku.excite.com) (198.3.99.63) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 6 Oct 2000 00:23:57 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001006002325.VYTW7843.kuku.excite.com@doby.excite.com> for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:23:25 -0700 Message-ID: <3271437.970791805314.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:23:25 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: What Jandek Sounds Like To Me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.105.157.49 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:54:22 -0400, Brian wrote: > I always pictured Jandek in a big warehouse (either empty or just after > hours) for most of his recordings. Although I probably get this > impression from the types of reverb he uses. > > Anyway, that's my 2 pence. > > -Brian On the first couple of tracks on "Twelfth Apostle" you can hear cars passing by in the background, indicating that the tracks (on this album anyway) were probably recorded in a garage...but then there are those photos of the bedroom on come of the covers. Could be anywhere...... Ron _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22411 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2000 03:41:49 -0000 Received: from web112.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.82) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 6 Oct 2000 03:41:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 22852 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2000 03:41:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20001006034145.22851.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.246.207.68] by web112.yahoomail.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 20:41:45 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:41:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Be Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Darin Mitchell wrote: > Ever wonder if Jandek has ever tried playing live in front of an > audience in > a bar somewhere (or under a different name some place, some other > country?)? According to other sources, the 1st Jandek LP was credited to "the units." Mabye somewhere in the world there exists a tape of a live "units" gig??? ===== http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 17661 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 00:38:44 -0000 Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (209.89.75.17) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 00:38:44 -0000 Received: from ip20.ottawa4.dialup.canada.psi.net ([154.5.13.20]) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 13hi1D-0001Vf-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:39:15 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 20:37:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) From: "Sam M." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > Perhaps the guest performers are close > relations to Jandek. People, generally, have big mouths, so you would think > that someone would have said something about playing with Jandek by now. > That's not something you keep secret. You forget how obscure Jandek is to the world at large. The people involved might not even know that the recordings they appeared on are being released, or were more than stoned jam sessions or casual amusements! Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6776 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 10:07:26 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 10:07:26 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.23] (sdn-ar-001txaustP015.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.23]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27705 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 03:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010071007.DAA27705@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 04:55:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Jandek Movie From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk oh no, i hope i'm not just carrying on some tradition of people that SAY they are going to film a jandek documentary. i hereby renounce my official disinterest in beck, once i got past all the mary jane girls and prince references (bad associations with a thankfully bygone era), midnight vultures is quite a good pop record. ~j ---------- >From: "Christina Carter" >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: Jandek Movie >Date: Thu, Oct 5, 2000, 12:45 PM > >When I was working in a record store in Houston around 1990-1991 (?) a >fellow came in and said that he was going to make a Jandek documentary >movie. Wanted to know our thoughts about it. We were a little confused at >the time. Don't know who he was or what he had in mind or if he got it done. > >Christina > > >>From: "Sam M." >>To: >>Subject: Re: Jandek Movie >>Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:55:49 -0400 >> >>Actually, this ain't a bad idea at all! I don't know about the >>fictionalized avoidance segments, but the rest sounds interesting...throw >>in >>perhaps interviews with people who've actually made contact or have >>particular interest (the Irwins & Seths, and that Texas Monthly reporter) >>and footage of the historically-important-in-the-Corwood-scheme-of-things >>locations (the PO box, etc)...could have a nice cross between an episode of >>"Investigative Reports" and one of those underground-rock doc's (eg "The >>Band Who Would be King", "Hated"). So who's got the seed capital/connexns >>to arts-funding foundations? > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 20618 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 17:16:52 -0000 Received: from f266.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.236.144) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 17:16:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:16:26 -0700 Received: from 208.194.206.59 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 17:16:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.194.206.59] From: "Christina Carter" To: bradleybee@yahoo.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 12:16:26 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2000 17:16:26.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[52E8E3D0:01C03082] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hi - Wondered the same thing: did he ever try playing live? Asking around at one point, I ran across someone that claimed to remember The Units playing shows in Houston openint for the group Oz Knozz. Don't know how exactly to explain Oz Knozz (maybe a prog Led Zeppelin) but the possibility is... incredible. But, probably not true. Christina >From: Bradley Be >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:41:45 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Darin Mitchell wrote: > > Ever wonder if Jandek has ever tried playing live in front of an > > audience in > > a bar somewhere (or under a different name some place, some other > > country?)? > >According to other sources, the 1st Jandek LP was credited to "the units." > Mabye somewhere in the world there exists a tape of a live "units" gig??? > > >===== >http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! >http://photos.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 23262 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 18:23:09 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.119) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 18:23:09 -0000 Received: from storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.59]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF9A104F for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id LAA18072; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:23:08 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAixbabHnrgARzF8Bl2Ip3har54BsCFQC1cVqPl6S7BRLJYdNyRovIbQyPcQ== From: Boggia@webtv.net (Jim Boggia) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:23:08 -0400 (EDT) To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Other Ideas Message-ID: <10587-39DF6A0C-2086@storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hi All, This is my 1st delurking (though I'm sendig it now for the third time, I think I finally go it right). Here's my 2 cents on a couple of interesting (at least to me) questions posed by Darin. He wrote: "That also got me thinking, perhaps the guest performers are close relations to Jandek. People, generally, have big mouths, so you would think that someone would have said something about playing with Jandek by now. That's not something you keep secret. In my mind, a family member would be more likely to keep the goods a secret than a friend or an acquaintance." Potentially, those recording with Jandek (which I think we all assume to be a pseudonym) may have no idea how their collaborations are being used. The Jandek myth/legend/music has had such a small audience, particularly until the Chusid book, that if he desired he could easily have invited people over to record for fun and not told them about his alter-ego. I don't know why he would do that, other than his apparent intent on secrecy/mystery and the point that, yup, people do talk, particularly about secrets. Darin also wrote: "Also, some of the songs I've noticed, musically, sound as if they could have been recorded right after one another. I haven't been listening all that closely, but I wonder if he just doesn't record an entire album in one sitting." Well, this is probable. I recall reading in the Chusid book that at the time he (Chusid) first spoke with someone from Corwood, only the first album was out (I believe their conversation took place in 1980) but the Corwood representative claimed to have material for (again, I believe) 10 additional albums already recorded. As I type this a question comes to mind: Does Jandek's "change of style" occur around the 11th or 12th album? That would reinforce the multi-song in a sitting recording theory. Just a couple more Darin comments: "Who knows." None of us for sure. And, finally: "Who cares?" All of us, obviously! Happy to be aboard, Jim Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 23497 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 18:26:13 -0000 Received: from f237.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.237) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 18:26:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:25:47 -0700 Received: from 209.91.129.233 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 18:25:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.129.233] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Check the Reference Section For Details Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 18:25:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2000 18:25:47.0111 (UTC) FILETIME=[030CF770:01C0308C] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Up till now, I never knew it. Nor did I ever notice it. And it just goes to show how much influence spreads across these great plains of ours. In my opinion the bestest band in the land of our era (sorry old folks, you don't count here) is and always has been, always will be the mighty Royal Trux. I am serious when I say this, better than even the Beastie Boys, Dead C, Flaming Lips whoever. Now after I've had a chance to grasp the sound of Jandek I am shocked at the influence I can pick out that he has had on others. In terms of Royal trux, on their first album (and parts of their bizzare second album "TI") owes a great debt to Jandek. Listen closely, I'm sure you can here it too. Who else do you folks here his influence on? My admiration for Jandek grows daily regardless. I was also wondering if many of you have read Chusid's new book and what do y'all think of it (I have it on order)? Does he reveals anything we didn't already know before. Does he dedicate a good enough portion to Jandek? Keep the peace. 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Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24060 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 18:37:07 -0000 Received: from f105.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.105) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 18:37:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:36:40 -0700 Received: from 209.91.129.233 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 18:36:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.129.233] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Ready Steady Monotone Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 18:36:40 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2000 18:36:40.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[88A17AE0:01C0308D] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Here's something else I've been thinking about: what are the chances that this "mystery man" front was by accident? Do you think that possibly Jandek wasn't intentionally trying to be as mysterious as he now is, but one thing led to another and he eventually decided that there might be something to this mystique and he just rolled with it? I've done stuff like this in the past. Things occur and I just run along beside them as if it was intentional and part and parcel of the program. Do you think this could be the case with Jandek? Could you ever imagine that he would ever think that he could have this sort of effect/affect on people? Just something I've been mulling over. Also, to the person running the list and web page (I believe the name is Seth?): have you ever had any contact with the Corwood people? Has anyone ever received a peculiar response in regards to contact with Corwood? Do they have a phone number, and if so has anyone called it and what happened when you did? Ok, take care. 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Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24530 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 18:40:54 -0000 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (128.135.12.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 18:40:54 -0000 Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e97Iese03329 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:40:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (spleimer@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e97IeqE19631 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:40:52 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: spleimer owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:40:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Sam Leimer X-Sender: spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Check the Reference Section For Details In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Sat, 7 Oct 2000, Darin Mitchell wrote: > I was also wondering if many of you have read Chusid's new book and what do > y'all think of it (I have it on order)? Does he reveals anything we didn't > already know before. Does he dedicate a good enough portion to Jandek? having seen Chusid speak 2 nights ago: a) he is the king of smarm and b) he is a mark. the guy hates Jandek's music and described it as "not having a melody or rhythm," 'hated listening to it,' and 'Jandek sounds like a mumbling sleepwalker strumming a tennis racket.' I think he basically took the Cobain thing to heart "Jandek is pretentious, but people who listen to him are," and decided he didn't want to be pretentious. fuck what Chusid thinks, SAM Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 26381 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 19:25:39 -0000 Received: from eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.24) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 19:25:39 -0000 Received: from [168.191.184.68] (sdn-ar-002txaustP266.dialsprint.net [168.191.184.68]) by eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10873 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010071925.MAA10873@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:13:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Other Ideas jandek profile From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk ---------- From: "jason pierce" To: Jim Boggia Subject: Re: Other Ideas jandek profile Date: Sat, Oct 7, 2000, 2:11 PM well yeah that and jandek has a tendancy to shun things like time signature. and his approach seems pretty improvisational, i doubt hes ever played a song the same way twice or even played a song twice at all maybe. except just to get used to playing with his lyrics in order to record. to accompany jandek you could only do it in a certain way (very minimally). since no one knows who he is he probably doesn't have a whole lot of people knocking on his door to accompany him. i seriously doubt he is an alter ego of another musician. it just doesn't make sense. his m.o. is way too idiosyncratic and obscure to be invented. so we should dismiss this alter ego theory. unless it's a multiple personalty disorder kind of thing. and those personalities would have to be totally unaware of each other. it's just too highly implausible. the texas monthly thing seems to make sense in that he probably has a normal 9to5 job that he isn't that he's not all that into. and he has at least an above average acute intelligence. and enjoys his anonymity based on consistent perpetuation. which which exhibits that he is at least aware of his anonymity context. i would propose that jandek has no other artistic outlet other than just being jandek. ~j > >---------- >>From: Boggia@webtv.net (Jim Boggia) >>To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >>Subject: Re: Other Ideas >>Date: Sat, Oct 7, 2000, 1:23 PM >> > >>Hi All, >>This is my 1st delurking (though I'm sendig it now for the third time, I >>think I finally go it right). >> >>Here's my 2 cents on a couple of interesting (at least to me) questions >>posed by Darin. He wrote: >>"That also got me thinking, perhaps the guest performers are close >>relations to Jandek. People, generally, have big mouths, so you would >>think that someone would have said something about playing with Jandek >>by now. That's not something you keep secret. In my mind, a family >>member would be more likely to keep the goods a secret than a friend or >>an >>acquaintance." >> >>Potentially, those recording with Jandek (which I think we all assume to >>be a pseudonym) may have no idea how their collaborations are being >>used. The Jandek myth/legend/music has had such a small audience, >>particularly until the Chusid book, that if he desired he could easily >>have invited people over to record for fun and not told them about his >>alter-ego. I don't know why he would do that, other than his apparent >>intent on secrecy/mystery and the point that, yup, people do talk, >>particularly about secrets. >> >>Darin also wrote: >>"Also, some of the songs I've noticed, musically, sound as if they could >>have been recorded right after one another. I haven't been listening all >>that closely, but I wonder if he just doesn't record an entire album in >>one sitting." >> >>Well, this is probable. I recall reading in the Chusid book that at the >>time he (Chusid) first spoke with someone from Corwood, only the first >>album was out (I believe their conversation took place in 1980) but the >>Corwood representative claimed to have material for (again, I believe) >>10 additional albums already recorded. As I type this a question comes >>to mind: Does Jandek's "change of style" occur around the 11th or 12th >>album? That would reinforce the multi-song in a sitting recording >>theory. >> >>Just a couple more Darin comments: >>"Who knows." >> >>None of us for sure. >> >>And, finally: >>"Who cares?" >> >>All of us, obviously! >> >>Happy to be aboard, >>Jim >> >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27309 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 19:42:49 -0000 Received: from eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.24) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 19:42:49 -0000 Received: from [168.191.184.68] (sdn-ar-002txaustP266.dialsprint.net [168.191.184.68]) by eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13914 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010071942.MAA13914@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:31:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Ready Steady Monotone From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk highly plausible yet i think at first he would have to be at least subconscious of the context of his anonymity. it's also very plausible that at first he very well intended to play out alot yet may have found no place that wanted him to play there as in the early eighties (?) there wouldn't have been a great demand for his style of music. and thought fuck it i'm just going to make records and put them out myself and found that this suited him quite well. and could have felt that doing what it takes to play out alot would somehow dilute his like for playing music. his m.o. would also tend to suggest at least a passing disinterest in the way things are or are usually done. consistent pattern for people with reclusive tendancies. all highly plausible. ~j ---------- >From: "Darin Mitchell" >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Ready Steady Monotone >Date: Sat, Oct 7, 2000, 1:36 PM > >Here's something else I've been thinking about: what are the chances that >this "mystery man" front was by accident? Do you think that possibly Jandek >wasn't intentionally trying to be as mysterious as he now is, but one thing >led to another and he eventually decided that there might be something to >this mystique and he just rolled with it? > >I've done stuff like this in the past. Things occur and I just run along >beside them as if it was intentional and part and parcel of the program. > >Do you think this could be the case with Jandek? Could you ever imagine that >he would ever think that he could have this sort of effect/affect on people? > >Just something I've been mulling over. > >Also, to the person running the list and web page (I believe the name is >Seth?): have you ever had any contact with the Corwood people? > >Has anyone ever received a peculiar response in regards to contact with >Corwood? Do they have a phone number, and if so has anyone called it and >what happened when you did? > >Ok, take care. M. >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 28698 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 20:17:26 -0000 Received: from eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.24) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 20:17:26 -0000 Received: from [168.191.184.68] (sdn-ar-002txaustP266.dialsprint.net [168.191.184.68]) by eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07031 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010072017.NAA07031@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 15:05:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Check the Reference Section For Details From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i've never understood the profound allergic reaction most people have for the possibility for pretention. this "reaction" seems to be the worst form of anal retention. i propose that it is pretentious to have a dislike for pretention. and that pretention in most cases is completely irrelevant. and is generally assigned to people who aren't interested in being exactly like everyone else.(not to be confused with those who are interested in being superior to and dominating everyone else) best explained by darwins theory and gene variation. you are born with the "disinterest in being like everyone else" gene while the masses with the "humble conformity" gene call you pretentious and possibly assault you with rocks and sticks and what not INORDER TO PERPETUATE THEIR OWN GENE DOMINANCE. zus ve zee ze life und death shtruggle zat is und common to ze human race und most specie of ze antarctic penguin persuasion. ~j ---------- >From: Sam Leimer >Subject: Re: Check the Reference Section For Details >Date: Sat, Oct 7, 2000, 1:40 PM > > >On Sat, 7 Oct 2000, Darin Mitchell wrote: > >> I was also wondering if many of you have read Chusid's new book and what do >> y'all think of it (I have it on order)? Does he reveals anything we didn't >> already know before. Does he dedicate a good enough portion to Jandek? > >having seen Chusid speak 2 nights ago: >a) he is the king of smarm >and >b) he is a mark. the guy hates Jandek's music and described it as "not >having a melody or rhythm," 'hated listening to it,' and 'Jandek sounds >like a mumbling sleepwalker strumming a tennis racket.' I think he >basically took the Cobain thing to heart "Jandek is pretentious, but >people who listen to him are," and decided he didn't want to be >pretentious. > >fuck what Chusid thinks, >SAM > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29229 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 20:30:24 -0000 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (128.135.12.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 20:30:24 -0000 Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e97KUOe26626 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:30:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (spleimer@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e97KUM129312 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:30:22 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: spleimer owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:30:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Sam Leimer X-Sender: spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Check the Reference Section For Details In-Reply-To: <200010072017.NAA07031@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Sat, 7 Oct 2000, jason pierce wrote: > i've never understood the profound allergic reaction > most people have for the possibility for pretention. > this "reaction" seems to be the worst form > of anal retention. i propose that it is pretentious > to have a dislike for pretention. word. SAM Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 30011 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 20:42:39 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.118) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 20:42:39 -0000 Received: from storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.35]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1B22D43B for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id NAA01086; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:42:34 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAqHPV8cKI75IQWfchcBqbaSDiz78CFQDHxUjFc40ZRDQFEslns5o9fvbGSw== From: Boggia@webtv.net (Jim Boggia) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:42:34 -0400 (EDT) To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Other Ideas Message-ID: <17591-39DF8ABA-3818@storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Jason, I agree with you completely. My use of the term "alter-ego" was only meant to indicate that Jandek is not his actual name, so those playing with him posiibly would not know about the Jandek identity of the guy they got together and recorded with. As a musician myself, I find it very hard to play as though I DON'T know how to play, so your premise about the authenticity of Jandek's primitivism is something I also concur with. See ya, Jim Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 30521 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 20:50:57 -0000 Received: from smtp.gwi.net (207.5.128.11) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 20:50:57 -0000 Received: from mail.gwi.net (root@mail.gwi.net [207.5.128.142]) by smtp.gwi.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e97KouL08864 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwi.net (d-207-5-175-131.gwi.net [207.5.175.131]) by mail.gwi.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e97KoN903463 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DF8D05.4530FA47@gwi.net> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 16:52:21 -0400 From: Will Berdan II X-Sender: "Will Berdan II" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Other Ideas References: <17591-39DF8ABA-3818@storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Can anyone on here tell me how difficult the many Jandek LPs are to find? And is there any knowledge on how many were pressed? Willie Jim Boggia wrote: > > Jason, > > I agree with you completely. My use of the term "alter-ego" was only > meant to indicate that Jandek is not his actual name, so those playing > with him posiibly would not know about the Jandek identity of the guy > they got together and recorded with. > > As a musician myself, I find it very hard to play as though I DON'T know > how to play, so your premise about the authenticity of Jandek's > primitivism is something I also concur with. > > See ya, > Jim Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31267 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 21:06:04 -0000 Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r18.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 21:06:04 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id j.c5.9e00f8c (4564); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 17:05:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BlackBook78@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 17:05:26 EDT Subject: Re: Other Ideas To: wberdan@gwi.net, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 113 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/07/2000 1:51:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wberdan@gwi.net writes: << Can anyone on here tell me how difficult the many Jandek LPs are to find? And is there any knowledge on how many were pressed? Willie >> Near impossible......Ebay is a good source but expect to pay around $50, at least thats how much I paid for Blue Corpse and Modern Dances (my personal favorite)...It is pretty unfortunate, considering in the 80's, people like Irwin Chusid were sent boxes of 50 or so for free and used them as car seats....Who is to know how many were pressed...I read awhile back, in an interview with a band, one of the members mentioned he had a few Jandek stories (none of which were mentioned) and a test pressing of a few of the records, and that was it... mike PS I received the two new reissues today, along with a few words from Corwood. They are currently working on reissuing Your Turn to Fall, The Rocks Crumble, Interstellar Discussion, and Nine Thirty...He also mentioned "the house won't exactly be on the cover, but......" Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 32181 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 21:28:06 -0000 Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r14.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.68) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2000 21:28:06 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id l.be.a4d7159 (7066) for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 17:27:47 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 17:27:46 EDT Subject: Re: Check the Reference Section For Details To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Another comparison: RTX tend to produce some of the most adverse reactions I've ever seen, at least among people I know. Who knows why...Personally I like their new album a lot, but I had a hard time with Twin Infinitives. In a message dated 10/7/00 2:26:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, susseddm@hotmail.com writes: > In my opinion the bestest band in the land of our era (sorry old folks, you > don't count here) is and always has been, always will be the mighty Royal > Trux. I am serious when I say this, better than even the Beastie Boys, Dead > C, Flaming Lips whoever. Now after I've had a chance to grasp the sound of > Jandek I am shocked at the influence I can pick out that he has had on > others. In terms of Royal trux, on their first album (and parts of their > bizzare second album "TI") owes a great debt to Jandek. Listen closely, I'm > sure you can here it too. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5683 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 00:15:27 -0000 Received: from law2-f180.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.180) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 00:15:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 17:15:00 -0700 Received: from 203.96.55.13 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 00:15:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.96.55.13] From: "Campbell&Diane ... Gordon Productions" To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 13:15:00 NZDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2000 00:15:00.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC654E30:01C030BC] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Two thoughts: 1.There can't really be any doubts about Jandek's ability to play can there? Both within the self-defined musical rules he works under - where everything is always consistent with itself, if not yr expectations - but also without, and in the context of other people's perspective of music. Go and listen to some of the non-piano songs on The Beginning if you don't know what I mean... they're extremely lucidly organised musically. 2. There's no reason to assume Jandek or the person behind Jandek is only interested in expression through music... I can imagine similarly cathartic painting fitting in there, and I recall Chusid mentioning novels that had been burnt when rejected by publishers - now there's a thought to conjure with. There's no reason to expect little groups within other circles of artforms couldn't be having these same conversations about the same person... CW _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12033 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 19:02:56 -0000 Received: from changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (141.211.144.17) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 19:02:56 -0000 Received: from pm683-34.dialip.mich.net (pm683-34.dialip.mich.net [207.73.72.188]) by changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.2r) with ESMTP id PAA07462; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 15:12:10 -0400 From: Greg Baise To: "Campbell&Diane ... Gordon Productions" cc: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: Message-ID: <355321714.971017930@pm683-34.dialip.mich.net> In-Reply-To: Originator-Info: login-id=gjbaise; server=g.imap.itd.umich.edu X-Mailer: Mulberry (Win32) [1.4.3, s/n S-399020] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk also check out "A Real Number," which seems to be more of a qualitative assessment than a math reference ... --On Sunday, October 08, 2000, 1:15 PM +0000 "Campbell&Diane ... Gordon Productions" wrote: > Go and listen to > some of the non-piano songs on The Beginning if you don't know what I > mean... they're extremely lucidly organised musically. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14755 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 20:05:30 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (HELO pimout2-int.prodigy.net) (207.115.63.101) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 20:05:30 -0000 Received: from 1hj73 (nas-217-138.nyc-t.navipath.net [64.20.217.138]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e98K5Sg160908; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:05:28 -0400 From: "b&p" To: "Sam Leimer" , Subject: RE: Irwin Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:06:49 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >>>>fuck what Chusid thinks, SAM<<<<<<<< If you wish. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, which I respect--but he's the reason many more folks (including myself) know about Jandek. Give the man credit where due. To the folks wondering about Songs In the Key Of Z--I think it's a good overview of outsider/"incorrect" music as Irwin sees it and plays it on his show ("regular programming" 12-3pm and "Incorrect Music" 3-4pm Eastern Time, www.wfmu.org or 91.1 in metro NYC and 90.1 in the Catskills). To fairly regular listeners, the book is not a revelation, although it is informative; to others with the appropriate curiosity, I highly recommend it. And no, I'm not a charter member of Irwin's fan club or anything; I just think the man is committed to what he believes, highly knowledgeable about all kinds of music, and a decent guy to know, all of which I respect. Paul Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14995 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 20:10:17 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (HELO pimout2-int.prodigy.net) (207.115.63.101) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 20:10:17 -0000 Received: from 1hj73 (nas-217-138.nyc-t.navipath.net [64.20.217.138]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e98KADg140836; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:10:14 -0400 From: "b&p" To: "jason pierce" , Subject: RE: Check the Reference Section For Details Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:11:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200010072017.NAA07031@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Is it thus also pretentious to communicate with conscious disregard for stanbdard upper-and-lower-case punctuation> Just askin'... Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu [mailto:owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu]On Behalf Of jason pierce Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:06 PM To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Check the Reference Section For Details i've never understood the profound allergic reaction most people have for the possibility for pretention. this "reaction" seems to be the worst form of anal retention. i propose that it is pretentious to have a dislike for pretention. and that pretention in most cases is completely irrelevant. and is generally assigned to people who aren't interested in being exactly like everyone else.(not to be confused with those who are interested in being superior to and dominating everyone else) best explained by darwins theory and gene variation. you are born with the "disinterest in being like everyone else" gene while the masses with the "humble conformity" gene call you pretentious and possibly assault you with rocks and sticks and what not INORDER TO PERPETUATE THEIR OWN GENE DOMINANCE. zus ve zee ze life und death shtruggle zat is und common to ze human race und most specie of ze antarctic penguin persuasion. ~j Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16330 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 20:42:00 -0000 Received: from f151.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.151) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 20:42:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:41:33 -0700 Received: from 208.194.204.239 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 20:41:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.194.204.239] From: "Christina Carter" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: Irwin (Jandek's letter) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 15:41:32 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2000 20:41:33.0170 (UTC) FILETIME=[24E4AD20:01C03168] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk There are a few revelations in the chapter on Jandek. Chusid includes excerpts of a letter from Sterling Smith (I suppose there's no reason not to believe it is from him). Smith says in part: "Nancy was Nancy [Chusid withholds her last name], a southern Ohio cosmopolitan hillbilly type who ran across my path one day and I asked her to sing what I had written as I played the guitar....The cut 'No Break'...features her sister Pat on vocals, myself on elec guitar and Nancy in a very unagressive drum stint... "[Other tracks feature] myself on 6 string elec guitar + vocals, John on base [sic] and John 'Poe' on drums. They were around the house 'Poe' lived there next door. I asked them to sit in. I don't believe 'Poe' ever played drums before. I was so impressed. I couldn't think of another drummer so absolute except maybe Ginger Baker from Cream... "There is a multitude of further electric composition. With a myriad (maybe 12) other performers. Also cuts on entire sides of myself overdubbing base, 6 string, vocals and drums..." So, that's why I got the book. Christina >From: "b&p" >To: "Sam Leimer" , > >Subject: RE: Irwin >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:06:49 -0400 > > > >>>>fuck what Chusid thinks, >SAM<<<<<<<< > >If you wish. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, which I >respect--but >he's the reason many more folks (including myself) know about Jandek. Give >the man credit where due. > >To the folks wondering about Songs In the Key Of Z--I think it's a good >overview of outsider/"incorrect" music as Irwin sees it and plays it on his >show ("regular programming" 12-3pm and "Incorrect Music" 3-4pm Eastern >Time, >www.wfmu.org or 91.1 in metro NYC and 90.1 in the Catskills). To fairly >regular listeners, the book is not a revelation, although it is >informative; >to others with the appropriate curiosity, I highly recommend it. > >And no, I'm not a charter member of Irwin's fan club or anything; I just >think the man is committed to what he believes, highly knowledgeable about >all kinds of music, and a decent guy to know, all of which I respect. > >Paul > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16780 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 20:44:28 -0000 Received: from ewey-rwcmta.excite.com (HELO ewey.excite.com) (198.3.99.191) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 20:44:28 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001008204424.OTBM18064.ewey.excite.com@doby.excite.com>; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:44:24 -0700 Message-ID: <23002248.971037864355.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:44:24 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu, BSANDPP@prodigy.net Subject: RE: Irwin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.105.157.86 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:06:49 -0400, b&p wrote: > To the folks wondering about Songs In the Key Of Z--I think it's a good > overview of outsider/"incorrect" music as Irwin sees it "As he sees it" is the key phrase here. Although I did like the book, some things about his criteria for "outsider" music don't make sense to me. How are recordings by household-name celebrities "outisider" music. William Shatner, for example, is no outsider at all. He's worshipped by jillions of mutton-headed Trekkies. Chusid seems to feel that because it's irritating novelty music by a well-known non-musician it's outsider music, but if it's a well-known "musician" making novelty music (a la Weird Al Whatshisname) it isn't. Well that makes no sense at all- neither one is outsider music. And I'm going by the criteria that's been used for outsdier art for a long time now. Jandek, Daniel Johnston and Wild Man Fischer are clearly outsiders. William Shitner and Leonard Nimoy are not. If I wanted to split hairs i'd go so far to say that Syd Barrett wasn't an outsider either, but then his solo albums are so bizzarly great I won't really argue. ron _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16999 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 20:45:46 -0000 Received: from merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.156) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 20:45:46 -0000 Received: from [158.252.131.20] (sdn-ar-003txaustP012.dialsprint.net [158.252.131.20]) by merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22500 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010082045.NAA22500@merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 15:33:56 -0500 Subject: Re: informed conjecture From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk 1. well the only doubt would be his exact knowlege of things like improvisation or just how informed he is in general (nievete'?) i've never thought the way he plays is due to lack of skill. he coul've become a much more "pollished (sp?)" musician by now if he wanted. he has an almost derek baileyish disinterest (or disdain?) in virtuosity. it's just unknown if he is as knowledgable of it as say derek bailey. 2. if this was in response to the comments i said on the alter ego potential, i didn't mean to suggest that he wasn't interested in other media, just that he wasn't (most likely) some more well known guy with a secret music life. music is probably his most successful outlet. ~j ---------- >From: "Campbell&Diane ... Gordon Productions" >To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu >Date: Sun, Oct 8, 2000, 8:15 AM > >Two thoughts: >1.There can't really be any doubts about Jandek's ability to play can there? >Both within the self-defined musical rules he works under - where everything >is always consistent with itself, if not yr expectations - but also without, >and in the context of other people's perspective of music. Go and listen to >some of the non-piano songs on The Beginning if you don't know what I >mean... they're extremely lucidly organised musically. >2. There's no reason to assume Jandek or the person behind Jandek is only >interested in expression through music... I can imagine similarly cathartic >painting fitting in there, and I recall Chusid mentioning novels that had >been burnt when rejected by publishers - now there's a thought to conjure >with. There's no reason to expect little groups within other circles of >artforms couldn't be having these same conversations about the same >person... >CW > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 18055 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 21:05:07 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (HELO pimout2-int.prodigy.net) (207.115.63.101) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 21:05:07 -0000 Received: from 1hj73 (ip-20-129-84.nyc-t.navipath.net [64.20.129.84]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e98L53g108342; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 17:05:04 -0400 From: "b&p" To: , Subject: RE: Irwin Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 17:06:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <23002248.971037864355.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Agree with your comments--I never did understand how the "celebrity throats" type music dovetailed with the "inspired oblivious" types. Both can be funny, both can be pathetic, both can be sad, etc.--although the celeb type certainly involves more laughing AT than laughing WITH. I guess outsider music is like porn--you it when you hear it! Just a thought: obviously now that he's playing on it on the Priceline ads, was Shatner serious on "Transformed Man"? (Wouldn't put it past him....) I do remember the howls and retches of disbelief it received when it was sent to the radio station I was working at when it first came out.... Paul -----Original Message----- From: eckankore@excite.com [mailto:eckankore@excite.com] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 4:44 PM To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; BSANDPP@prodigy.net Subject: RE: Irwin On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:06:49 -0400, b&p wrote: > To the folks wondering about Songs In the Key Of Z--I think it's a good > overview of outsider/"incorrect" music as Irwin sees it "As he sees it" is the key phrase here. Although I did like the book, some things about his criteria for "outsider" music don't make sense to me. How are recordings by household-name celebrities "outisider" music. William Shatner, for example, is no outsider at all. He's worshipped by jillions of mutton-headed Trekkies. Chusid seems to feel that because it's irritating novelty music by a well-known non-musician it's outsider music, but if it's a well-known "musician" making novelty music (a la Weird Al Whatshisname) it isn't. Well that makes no sense at all- neither one is outsider music. And I'm going by the criteria that's been used for outsdier art for a long time now. Jandek, Daniel Johnston and Wild Man Fischer are clearly outsiders. William Shitner and Leonard Nimoy are not. If I wanted to split hairs i'd go so far to say that Syd Barrett wasn't an outsider either, but then his solo albums are so bizzarly great I won't really argue. ron _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 18364 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 21:11:03 -0000 Received: from merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.156) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 21:11:03 -0000 Received: from [158.252.131.20] (sdn-ar-003txaustP012.dialsprint.net [158.252.131.20]) by merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22832 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010082110.OAA22832@merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 15:59:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Check the Reference Section For Details From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk [sorry, i have made the neccesary corrections below.] *sic ~j ---------- >From: "b&p" >To: "jason pierce" , >Subject: RE: Check the Reference Section For Details >Date: Sun, Oct 8, 2000, 3:11 PM > >Is it thus also pretentious to communicate with conscious disregard for >stanbdard upper-and-lower-case punctuation> Just askin'... > >Paul > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >[mailto:owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu]On Behalf Of jason pierce >Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:06 PM >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: Check the Reference Section For Details > > >[I*sic]'ve never understood the profound allergic reaction >most people have for the possibility for pretention. >[T*sic]his "reaction" seems to be the worst form >of anal retention. [I*sic] propose that it is pretentious >to have a dislike for pretention[ sic] and that pretention [<- intentional run on sentance*sic] >in most cases is completely irrelevant [,as it*sic] is generally >assigned to people who aren't interested in being exactly like >everyone else[,*sic](not to be confused with those who are interested in being >superior to and dominating everyone else) [.This is*sic] best explained by [D*sic]arwin['*sic]s theory >and [theory of (author unknown to me)*sic] gene variation. >[Y*sic]ou are born with the "disinterest in being like everyone >else" gene while the masses with the "humble conformity" gene >call you pretentious and possibly assault you with rocks >and sticks and what not[,*sic] INORDER TO PERPETUATE THEIR OWN GENE DOMINANCE. > >zus ve zee ze life und death shtruggle zat is und common to >ze human race und most specie of ze antarctic penguin persuasion.[<- german accent* sic] > >~j > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19656 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 21:36:57 -0000 Received: from f242.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.242) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 21:36:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:36:29 -0700 Received: from 208.194.203.215 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 21:36:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.194.203.215] From: "Christina Carter" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: What Jandek Sounds Like To Me Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 16:36:29 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2000 21:36:29.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1BCB4F0:01C0316F] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk One of the most chilling songs to me is the last song on New Town. He addresses the listener directly with what is maybe one of his most concise and personal statements on the purpose of his music: And how about you there Do you know what you are No matter who you are there You must get the point I came to ask you Just who you think you are A friend and I also got the feeling when we listened to New Town that there were other people in the room while he was recording. Maybe it is really a feeling of ourselves. Christina >From: "Darin Mitchell" >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: What Jandek Sounds Like To Me >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:34:34 GMT > It feels like he's right there, singing >to me. >Has anyone ever wondered that for J's solo-solo stuff if he's recording in >a >room by himself, or do you think there are other people in the room along >with him (for me, that makes it even more spooky)? > >Anyway, I have more to say, no time to say it. > >Peace. M. >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21512 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 22:26:22 -0000 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (128.135.12.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 22:26:22 -0000 Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e98MQLE17979 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 17:26:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (spleimer@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e98MQJZ18123 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 17:26:19 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: spleimer owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 17:26:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Sam Leimer X-Sender: spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: Irwin In-Reply-To: <23002248.971037864355.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 eckankore@excite.com wrote: > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:06:49 -0400, b&p wrote: > > > To the folks wondering about Songs In the Key Of Z--I think it's a good > > overview of outsider/"incorrect" music as Irwin sees it > > "As he sees it" is the key phrase here. Although I did like the book, some > things about his criteria for "outsider" music don't make sense to me. How This was the most obnoxious thing about Chusid's presentation. Basically we were just watching musical "freaks," some of which had a lot of formal training (the lack of formal training is what characterizes a visual outsider artist). Chusid made it clear that outsider artists are not analagous to outsider musicians however, since he coined the term, he also got to define it. My understanding of Chusid's outsider musicians is that they are non-conventional sort of unpopular performers who are "sincere" about their "art," and either don't understand or don't care of how the rest of world receives their art. This is way to subjective for me, basically, it's whatever Chusid wants it to be. that nothwithstanding, he's still smarmy. he also disqualified Shatner, Nimoy and Savallas as non-outsider artists at the presentation. (for what that's worth). SAM Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27225 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2000 01:06:28 -0000 Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r16.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.70) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2000 01:06:28 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id l.a2.a749bfc (4006) for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:05:49 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:05:48 EDT Subject: Re: Irwin (Jandek's letter) To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk A CREAM reference....I have had this feeling that "Alehouse Blues" was Jandek's homage to "Crossroads" (isn't this his last electric blues cut on LP, for that matter?). Like that sound was the pinnacle of what he wanted to attain with the "blues era" records. In a message dated 10/8/00 4:42:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, flowerparade@hotmail.com writes: > I don't believe 'Poe' ever played > drums before. I was so impressed. I couldn't think of another drummer so > absolute except maybe Ginger Baker from Cream... Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1111 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2000 04:13:52 -0000 Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r04.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.4) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2000 04:13:52 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id l.11.a2551d4 (3844) for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 00:13:14 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <11.a2551d4.27129fda@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 00:13:14 EDT Subject: Jandek tattoos declared "lame" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Found this little nugget you may or may not find amusing: http://www.fezine.com/TORTOISE.HTM Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 17413 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2000 11:29:59 -0000 Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (root@203.109.252.5) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2000 11:29:59 -0000 Received: from noel-pc.ihug.co.nz (p13-max9.dun.ihug.co.nz [203.173.238.13]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA07243 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:29:55 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host p13-max9.dun.ihug.co.nz [203.173.238.13] claimed to be noel-pc.ihug.co.nz Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20001010000933.00b4ed20@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: hiatus@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:16:47 +1300 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Hamish Noonan Subject: Shifter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Not sure if this has been mentioned on this list yet but i've just seen this fantastic film called Shifter that has incidental and closing music by Jandek. Wasn't expecting it because the program said "music by Jan Bek". It worked really well - i usually don't like it when i hear favourite songs in films but the filmmakers used it subtly without overbearing the visuals or storyline. ========================================= snail: PO Box 6283, Dunedin, New Zealand phone: (03)477-7345 email: hiatus@ihug.co.nz SEA: http://www.converge.org.nz/sea/ HTH: http://unearth.octopig.org.nz/hth/ ========================================= Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29045 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2000 16:28:24 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2000 16:28:24 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.104] (sdn-ar-001txaustP168.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.104]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20900 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010091628.JAA20900@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 11:16:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Irwin (Jandek's letter) From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk ofcourse anything that chusid claims jandek said has to be taken with a bit of skepticism. he could've made that letter up knowing no one would step up to refute it. why was he the only one to get a letter like that if he is the only one? ~j ---------- >From: NCR13@aol.com >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: Irwin (Jandek's letter) >Date: Sun, Oct 8, 2000, 8:05 PM > >A CREAM reference....I have had this feeling that "Alehouse Blues" was >Jandek's homage to "Crossroads" (isn't this his last electric blues cut on >LP, for that matter?). Like that sound was the pinnacle of what he wanted to >attain with the "blues era" records. > >In a message dated 10/8/00 4:42:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >flowerparade@hotmail.com writes: > >> I don't believe 'Poe' ever played >> drums before. I was so impressed. I couldn't think of another drummer so >> absolute except maybe Ginger Baker from Cream... > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29833 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2000 16:41:42 -0000 Received: from mail.enteract.com (207.229.143.33) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2000 16:41:42 -0000 Received: from shell-1.enteract.com (bedmonds@shell-1.enteract.com [207.229.143.40]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA63004 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:41:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bedmonds@enteract.com) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:41:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Edmonds cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Irwin (Jandek's letter) In-Reply-To: <200010091628.JAA20900@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, jason pierce wrote: > ofcourse anything that chusid claims jandek said > has to be taken with a bit of skepticism. > he could've made that letter up knowing > no one would step up to refute it. > why was he the only one to get a letter > like that if he is the only one? > well, i guess at some point you just have to assume that chusid's telling the truth, at least about his interactions with jandek. or not. my bigger problem is his whole attitude towards jandek (and towards "outsider" musicians in general), which i think ends up being extremely condescending, both on paper or in person when you hear him talk. when i saw him last thursday, he commented that jandek hadn't sold more than a few hundred albums in his career, which i think is pretty clearly inaccurate. i think sam pretty much covered the other stupid things chusid said in the jandek part of the presentation. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 848 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2000 17:41:36 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2000 17:41:36 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.104] (sdn-ar-001txaustP168.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.104]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08576 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010091741.KAA08576@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 12:29:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Irwin (Jandek's letter) From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Wow, a friend let me borrow "ready for the house" (his first album i think) and on the track "european jewel (incomplete)" his standard "inept" sounding playing seems to disappear on this particular track. major implications, it would seem to sugest the jandek "sound" would be intentionally cultivated with disregard (instead of inabilty) for virtuosity or status quo playing "standards". his often dissonant tunings (purely intentional) avoidance of time signatures (purely intentional) he seems way too knowledgeable of what he is doing (in comparison to other musics) to be even considered in passing an "outsider" or "nieve"(sp?) artist. shows how much chusid knows! (i have not read his book, i perhaps go too far!) this may even go so far as to throw further skepticism in regards the alleged "cream" referance. why would he specifically refer to cream when his playing is decidedly intentionally in opposition to the cream aesthetic. though he may have only refered to ginger bakers' jazz like improvisations within a 4/4 beat. yet still purely conjecture. ~j [sic] Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2208 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2000 18:00:02 -0000 Received: from mail.enteract.com (207.229.143.33) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2000 18:00:02 -0000 Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (bedmonds@shell-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.42]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA05628 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:00:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bedmonds@enteract.com) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:00:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Edmonds To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: chusid on jandek Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk while i'm almost certain this has been posted here before (and maybe by me) i thought it'd be worth doing again given all the irwin chusid talk lately. the link below is to a fairly long article on jandek that chusid wrote for the wfmu magazine. evidently it's an abbreviated version of the chapter in his new book. i learned a lot about early jandek history by reading this, but i also decided that irwin chusid is kind of a jerk. http://www.wfmu.org/LCD/22/jandek.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5259 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2000 19:03:09 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2000 19:03:09 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.104] (sdn-ar-001txaustP168.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.104]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28026 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010091903.MAA28026@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 13:51:24 -0500 Subject: Re: chusid on jandek From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk hmm... so much for at least an attempt at objective journalism. the only thing that can be drawn from this article is that a) chusid doesn't like jandeks music b) he admits that he doesn't understand jandeks aesthetic c) he likes to portray things he doesn't understand in an unflattering manner. (what was the point in him conveying his fears that jandek may stalk him?) ~j [sic] ---------- >From: Benjamin Edmonds >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: chusid on jandek >Date: Mon, Oct 9, 2000, 1:00 PM > >while i'm almost certain this has been posted here before (and maybe by >me) i thought it'd be worth doing again given all the irwin chusid talk >lately. the link below is to a fairly long article on jandek that chusid >wrote for the wfmu magazine. evidently it's an abbreviated version of the >chapter in his new book. i learned a lot about early jandek history by >reading this, but i also decided that irwin chusid is kind of a jerk. > >http://www.wfmu.org/LCD/22/jandek.html > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12421 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2000 20:56:55 -0000 Received: from bert.traverse.net (HELO neumann.traverse.net) (207.140.226.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2000 20:56:55 -0000 Received: from pm3-3-s26.traverse.net ([207.140.225.234] helo=datapimp.org) by neumann.traverse.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13ijyU-0007iH-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 16:56:42 -0400 Message-ID: <39E23264.93317521@datapimp.org> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:02:28 -0400 From: Brian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jandek@cs.northwestern.edu" Subject: Re: chusid on jandek Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk If you ever have the chance to check out the book, Chusid is nearly as scathing to Wesley Willis as well. I find it funny, though, that out of all the artists on the SITKOZ disc, it was those two I found most interest in. It's almost as if Chusid was saying, "Well, here's two I felt kind of sorry for, so I stuck them in. But, over here, we have the Shaggs. Lemme tell you how great they are..." So, perhaps I like Jandek to spite all the Irwins and Glenns out there. Pfffffft. -Brian jason pierce wrote: > > hmm... so much for at least an attempt at objective journalism. > the only thing that can be drawn from this article is that > > a) chusid doesn't like jandeks music > b) he admits that he doesn't understand jandeks aesthetic > c) he likes to portray things he doesn't understand in an unflattering > manner. (what was the point in him conveying his fears that jandek > may stalk him?) > > ~j [sic] > ---------- > >From: Benjamin Edmonds > >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > >Subject: chusid on jandek > >Date: Mon, Oct 9, 2000, 1:00 PM > > > > >while i'm almost certain this has been posted here before (and maybe by > >me) i thought it'd be worth doing again given all the irwin chusid talk > >lately. the link below is to a fairly long article on jandek that chusid > >wrote for the wfmu magazine. evidently it's an abbreviated version of the > >chapter in his new book. i learned a lot about early jandek history by > >reading this, but i also decided that irwin chusid is kind of a jerk. > > > >http://www.wfmu.org/LCD/22/jandek.html > > > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12669 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2000 20:58:47 -0000 Received: from bert.traverse.net (HELO neumann.traverse.net) (207.140.226.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2000 20:58:47 -0000 Received: from pm3-3-s26.traverse.net ([207.140.225.234] helo=datapimp.org) by neumann.traverse.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13ik0I-0007sY-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 16:58:35 -0400 Message-ID: <39E232D4.E7DE1D69@datapimp.org> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:04:20 -0400 From: Brian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jandek@cs.northwestern.edu" Subject: Jandek Radio Tribute Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I thought I'd let everyone know I've decided to re-schedule the previously mention Jandek show to Oct 22. This decision was inspired by the talk of Jandek Halloween parties on this list lately! -Brian Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 17559 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2000 22:38:10 -0000 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (128.135.12.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2000 22:38:10 -0000 Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e99McAE02582 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:38:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (spleimer@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e99Mc9f19638 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:38:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: spleimer owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:38:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Sam Leimer X-Sender: spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu cc: "jandek@cs.northwestern.edu" Subject: Re: chusid on jandek In-Reply-To: <39E23264.93317521@datapimp.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Brian wrote: > > If you ever have the chance to check out the book, Chusid is nearly as > scathing to Wesley Willis as well. I find it funny, though, that out of > all the artists on the SITKOZ disc, it was those two I found most > interest in. weird, I imagine that you hadn't heard a Wesley Willis album before this. Although it may be dangerous to generalize, it's much more true for Wesley than for any other recording artist that "if you've heard one Wesley Willis song, you've heard them all." And after repeatedly having to deal with him at Chicago shows, let me tell you, the mystique has worn very thin. Besides his sort of boorish self-importance/self-promotion, he's a pretty nice guy and (if we're allowed to laugh at his schizophrenia) he's pretty funny. One time, he walked into a Dr. Wax (local record franchise) store, started yelling at the manager, telling everyone he was Wesley Willis, threw up and passed out, hitting his head on the counter on the way to the floor. (I don't know what part of this you might find funny -I find the whole thing both funny and sad- but it's almost like the performative equivalent of his musical aesthetic.) Now imagine him doing that over and over for the length of a cd. then it's not so funny. > It's almost as if Chusid was saying, "Well, here's two I felt kind of > sorry for, so I stuck them in. But, over here, we have the Shaggs. Lemme > tell you how great they are..." > > So, perhaps I like Jandek to spite all the Irwins and Glenns out there. > Pfffffft. or Irwin could just hate Jandek to spite us all. "pretentious people "listen" to Jandek but even-more pretentious people say they don't like him," SAM Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21242 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 00:04:22 -0000 Received: from f16.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.16) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 00:04:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:03:55 -0700 Received: from 209.91.128.145 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:03:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.145] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: CMJ Jandek Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:03:55 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 00:03:55.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[94BFC400:01C0324D] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Anyone ever take a peak at the CMJ's reviews of Jandek's albums (there are 7 I think). It's here if you want: http://www.cmj.com/reviews/search.php?artistName=JANDEK&artistOption=equals or simply: www.cmj.com/ Here's a sampling: JANDEK Graven Image It's been a full year and a half since the last Jandek record, and the wait made us worry about this reclusive mystery man. Since 1978, Jandek has sent out 23 message-in-a-bottle albums to a mostly uncaring world to which he is seemingly oblivious. Although it's a bit startling to hold a Corwood Industries compact disc, Graven Image is another perfect, uncompromised opus from this unorthodox and dogged songwriter. Another blurry photo of his white house graces the cover of another album of meandering blues-inflected guitar phrases accompanying cryptic and anguished lyrics. What Jandek's music lacks in conventional skill and grace it makes up for in intimacy and sincerity. His enigmatic blues meditations are a unique and compelling personal mode of communication. There are, as usual, little surprises for Jandek aficionados (an accordion solo on "A Real Number" and a crazy, light-hearted harmonica blues number called "Janky"), but overall he remains remarkably consistent and true to his original vision, however obscure that vision might be. On the aptly-titled opening track, "Remain The Same," he sings "I drive, I don't know where I'm driving. I am-I don't know what it is to be.. You can just find me floating, sometimes, down rivers of tears.....Plus c'est la même chose, plus c'est la même chose... -DAVID NEWGARDEN _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2728 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 05:28:08 -0000 Received: from law2-f204.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.204) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 05:28:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:27:41 -0700 Received: from 203.96.26.98 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 05:27:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.96.26.98] From: "Campbell&Diane ... Gordon Productions" To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: shifter Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:27:41 NZDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 05:27:41.0656 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF971D80:01C0327A] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I'd kinda been meaning to mention Shifter on the list sometime (I produced/shot/ played the character who plays Jandek in the film). It features short bursts of several songs from mostly the later CDs in the first 10 minutes, plus They Told Me About You at the end. Corwood were v enthusiastic about having Jandek appear in a film soundtrack, so its fully authorised. its only airings outside NZ were a week or two ago in the Vancouver Film Festival. We shot it for NZ$110 last year, finished for NZ$2500 (maybe US$1200) this year... Its kind of a minimal, bleak urban tale about paranoia and dislocation, if anyone's interested. MAybe eventually we'll find a way to play it more widely, but don't hold yr breath... difficult no budget DV movies from New Zealand don't get played in many places... If anybody wants to know more give me a yell. Cheers, Campbell _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2973 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 05:31:00 -0000 Received: from web1401.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.23.165) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 05:31:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 4927 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2000 05:30:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20001010053059.4926.qmail@web1401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.20.208.17] by web1401.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 22:30:59 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:30:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "O.K. Robot" Subject: Re: Irwin (Jandek's letter) To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I sure hope Irwin made it up. I hate to think that Jandek uses music-writer words like "cut" and "stint" when talking about his music!! --- jason pierce wrote: > ofcourse anything that chusid claims jandek said > has to be taken with a bit of skepticism. > he could've made that letter up knowing > no one would step up to refute it. > why was he the only one to get a letter > like that if he is the only one? > > > > > >A CREAM reference....I have had this feeling that > "Alehouse Blues" was > >Jandek's homage to "Crossroads" (isn't this his > last electric blues cut on > >LP, for that matter?). Like that sound was the > pinnacle of what he wanted to > >attain with the "blues era" records. > > > >In a message dated 10/8/00 4:42:15 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > >flowerparade@hotmail.com writes: > > > >> I don't believe 'Poe' ever played > >> drums before. I was so impressed. I couldn't > think of another drummer so > >> absolute except maybe Ginger Baker from Cream... > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 18774 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 12:17:14 -0000 Received: from penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.134) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 12:17:14 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.90] (sdn-ar-001txaustP154.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.90]) by penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA01392 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 05:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010101217.FAA01392@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:05:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Jandek tattoos declared "lame" From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk "greatest band since stars of the lid"?? and a suggestion for violence no doubt. my tatoo artist asures me with the upmost conviction that i am the only person alive with a jandek tatoo and i am in no way affiliated with drag city. so there ~j ---------- >From: NCR13@aol.com >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Jandek tattoos declared "lame" >Date: Sun, Oct 8, 2000, 11:13 PM > >Found this little nugget you may or may not find amusing: > >http://www.fezine.com/TORTOISE.HTM > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 26274 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 15:14:30 -0000 Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 15:14:30 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (adsl-141-151-144-94.bellatlantic.net [141.151.144.94]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA17279; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:13:01 -0400 To: "Campbell&Diane ... Gordon Productions" , jandek@cs.nwu.edu From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: shifter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk At 6:27 PM -0400 10/10/00, Campbell&Diane ... Gordon Productions wrote: > (I produced/shot/ played the character who plays Jandek in the film). Too cool! I'd love to see this sometime... >MAybe eventually we'll find a way to play it more widely, but don't >hold yr >breath... difficult no budget DV movies from New Zealand >don't get played in >many places... If anybody wants to know more >give me a yell. Well, there's a fairly vibrant film scene here in America's Rust Belt. Check out http://www.pghfilmmakers.org/ and see if they might be willing to do something with you. Best of luck, Maurice -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3945 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 18:11:26 -0000 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (128.135.12.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 18:11:26 -0000 Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9AIBQE21172 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:11:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (spleimer@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9AIBNJ26071 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:11:23 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: spleimer owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:11:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Sam Leimer X-Sender: spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Jandek tattoos declared "lame" In-Reply-To: <200010101217.FAA01392@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk "a Jandek tattoo is stupid even when compared to a Zoviet France tatoo." and how many Burning Witch songs has Pimpin Leon produced? SAM On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, jason pierce wrote: > "greatest band since stars of the lid"?? and a suggestion for violence no > doubt. > my tatoo artist asures me with the upmost conviction that i am the only > person alive with a jandek tatoo and i am in no way affiliated with > drag city. so there > > ~j > ---------- > >From: NCR13@aol.com > >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > >Subject: Jandek tattoos declared "lame" > >Date: Sun, Oct 8, 2000, 11:13 PM > > > > >Found this little nugget you may or may not find amusing: > > > >http://www.fezine.com/TORTOISE.HTM > > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4258 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 18:16:38 -0000 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.36) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 18:16:38 -0000 Received: from Masseymail@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id l.bb.7b272b4 (3984) for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:16:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Masseymail@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:16:34 EDT Subject: Re: Jandek tattoos declared "lame" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i think anyone with a jandek tattoo should get into all jandek shows free, for life. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5392 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 18:35:06 -0000 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (128.135.12.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 18:35:06 -0000 Received: from doshm288 (doshm288.uchicago.edu [128.135.57.100]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e9AIZ4E10301; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:35:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200010101835.e9AIZ4E10301@midway.uchicago.edu> X-Sender: bce2@nsit-popmail.uchicago.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:20:28 -0500 To: venom8888@earthlink.net, js24@midway.uchicago.edu From: bce2 Subject: Re: Jandek tattoos declared "lame" Cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Found this little nugget you may or may not find amusing: http://www.fezine.com/TORTOISE.HTM "a Jandek tattoo is stupid even when compared to a Zoviet France tatoo." Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2895 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2000 17:48:20 -0000 Received: from trowel.purchase.edu (192.73.64.4) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 11 Oct 2000 17:48:20 -0000 Received: from localhost (tothj@localhost) by trowel.purchase.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA29312; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:53:28 -0400 (EDT) From: James Toth To: Cassierosek@aol.com cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Naked in the Afternoon-A Tribute to Jandek In-Reply-To: <1e.b635019.2707aa90@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk despite the fact that golden calves were unceremoniously ommitted, i thought the comp was rather good. Ivory Elephant's rendering of "Nancy Sings" was great, i was also suprised by how much i enjoyed Low's contribution. i didn't, however, enjoy the fact that i had to pay for my copy, after contributing to this comp. the least Eric could have done was send us a free one or two. whatever, that's showbiz i guess. jjt On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 Cassierosek@aol.com wrote: > I also really enjoyed The Couple Scene's version of "Babe, I love > you." I felt that overall that Summersteps complied a pretty solid monument > to Jandek. I, being a close friend of Eric's was privileged enough to hear > all submissions. In my opinion, there were quite a few that I wish I could > have seen make it onto the final product. Yet, due to time constraints, of > course, many had to be eliminated. It was most intriguing to hear people's > "feel" and "impressions" of Jandek. Some interpreted the songs very > straight forward, leaving a fine line of delineation between the original > song structures. Others reconfigured his works letting the power of his > prose be our main focus. I felt that the biggest problem was, "How does one > actually judge a Jandek cover in terms of being successful or not?" It was > not like your typical tribute compilation where most of the songs are a > pretty accurate rendering of the original where you could see they used all > the same paint strokes. I haven't heard much about people's reaction to the > CD. With all this in mind, I was wondering how others felt. Was it > successful or not? If so, what do you define as a poor or superb Jandek > cover? I'd greatly appreciate some insight. > > Thanks, > > Cassie > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11715 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2000 20:40:56 -0000 Received: from f12.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 11 Oct 2000 20:40:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:40:29 -0700 Received: from 208.194.207.231 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:40:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.194.207.231] From: "Christina Carter" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Irwin (Jandek's letter) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:40:29 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2000 20:40:29.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E660B70:01C033C3] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk A perceptive friend of mine pointed out the inconsistencies between the chapter on Jandek in the Key of Z and the Original Disconnect article. And she pointed out this supposed letter from Sterling Smith quoted in the Disconnect article: "You'll not be forgotten - ever... The story must be crafted from what you have and know from the music. We cannot provide interviews or other exchanges of information outside of the releases at present. It's probable that your crafted story would be more interesting than any other. Intrigue goes a long way sometimes." So, who knows... Christina >From: "O.K. Robot" >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: Irwin (Jandek's letter) >Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:30:59 -0700 (PDT) > >I sure hope Irwin made it up. I hate to think that >Jandek uses music-writer words like "cut" and "stint" >when talking about his music!! > >--- jason pierce wrote: > > ofcourse anything that chusid claims jandek said > > has to be taken with a bit of skepticism. > > he could've made that letter up knowing > > no one would step up to refute it. > > why was he the only one to get a letter > > like that if he is the only one? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 13868 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2000 21:12:38 -0000 Received: from f21.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.21) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 11 Oct 2000 21:12:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:12:11 -0700 Received: from 208.194.207.231 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:12:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.194.207.231] From: "Christina Carter" To: susseddm@hotmail.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:12:11 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2000 21:12:11.0463 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBD72D70:01C033C7] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Can't remember, but the Post Office may have been talked about before. It isn't the kind of place that one could sit comfortably and unnoticed for any length of time. It is very small and there's not much else around it. There are 2 or 3 rows of parking. It doesn't get very busy. There is a small cemetery to the left, a school across the street, and some apartments down the road. A stray dog or two. Christina >From: "Darin Mitchell" >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 20:10:28 GMT > >And with the type of listeners Jandek probably has: those that are willing >to look for genuine art and those that have no clue and think he's Christ >or >something - that someone other than the Texas Monthly lady would have >tracked him down (perhaps people have and just haven't said anything or >nobody believes them). And I find it funny that no weirdo just >didn't/doesn't sit in front of the P.O. box in Houston and wait for whoever >picks up the daily or weekly mail and talks to them. Not something I would >do, but you would think by now... > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9270 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2000 18:56:44 -0000 Received: from f252.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.236.130) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 12 Oct 2000 18:56:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:56:18 -0700 Received: from 209.91.128.110 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:56:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.110] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Yearly Release Dates Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:56:18 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2000 18:56:18.0434 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AAB6E20:01C0347E] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hey, when does Jandek generally release his new albums? I mean is there a certain month each year that he releases them? And wasn't The Beginning released in 1999? Wouldn't that mean that he should have another one coming before xmas? Or am I mistaken? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 18143 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2000 21:10:29 -0000 Received: from penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.134) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 12 Oct 2000 21:10:29 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.138] (sdn-ar-002txaustP026.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.138]) by penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10718 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010122110.OAA10718@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:58:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk my theory is that no one wants to wait around every day for maybe up to a month or so. seems like after the first week or so one would start to completely lose it. now say if there were a cofee shop across the street (apparently not) it'd be ok to wait there during lunch hour (assuming he has a 9 to 5 and prob picks up his mail during lunch, or after, depending on how late the po box is open). it'd probably be much more fun to track him down some other way. ~j ---------- >From: "Christina Carter" >To: susseddm@hotmail.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) >Date: Wed, Oct 11, 2000, 4:12 PM > >Can't remember, but the Post Office may have been talked about before. It >isn't the kind of place that one could sit comfortably and unnoticed for any >length of time. It is very small and there's not much else around it. There >are 2 or 3 rows of parking. It doesn't get very busy. There is a small >cemetery to the left, a school across the street, and some apartments down >the road. A stray dog or two. > >Christina > > > >>From: "Darin Mitchell" >>To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >>Subject: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) >>Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 20:10:28 GMT >> > >>And with the type of listeners Jandek probably has: those that are willing >>to look for genuine art and those that have no clue and think he's Christ >>or >>something - that someone other than the Texas Monthly lady would have >>tracked him down (perhaps people have and just haven't said anything or >>nobody believes them). And I find it funny that no weirdo just >>didn't/doesn't sit in front of the P.O. box in Houston and wait for whoever >>picks up the daily or weekly mail and talks to them. Not something I would >>do, but you would think by now... >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19410 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2000 21:35:19 -0000 Received: from f96.law4.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.149.96) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 12 Oct 2000 21:35:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:34:49 -0700 Received: from 216.66.142.23 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:34:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.66.142.23] From: "josh ." To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:34:49 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2000 21:34:49.0848 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FEA0780:01C03494] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk actually, I don't think it would be very nice to track the guy down. I think people need the respect a certain element of jandek. Namely his privacy. His art is merged with his solitude. >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:58:35 -0500 > >my theory is that no one wants to wait around every day for maybe >up to a month or so. seems like after the first week or so one >would start to completely lose it. now say if there were a cofee shop > >acrossthe street (apparently not) it'd be ok to wait there during >lunch >hour(assuming he has a 9 to 5 and prob picks up his mail during >lunch, or >after, depending >on how late the po box is open). it'd probably be much more fun to >track >him down some other way. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22801 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2000 22:38:27 -0000 Received: from dns2.seanet.com (199.181.164.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 12 Oct 2000 22:38:27 -0000 Received: from pgeren (dialup-63.214.12.198.Seattle1.Level3.net [63.214.12.198]) by dns2.seanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA09372 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001101c0349d$1e0619c0$c60cd63f@pgeren> From: "oompa loompa" To: Subject: privacy Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:38:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C03462.70C56D40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C03462.70C56D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what is being discussed is also known as stalking. the man didn't want = to be known in the first place; attempting to track him down is not only = in bad taste, it's illegal. i wouldn't want to be stalked, and neither = would most people, whatever the motive. best to leave the poor guy = alone. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C03462.70C56D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what is being discussed is also known = as stalking.=20 the man didn't want to be known in the first place; attempting to = track him=20 down is not only in bad taste, it's illegal. i wouldn't want to be = stalked, and=20 neither would most people, whatever the motive. best to leave the poor = guy=20 alone.
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C03462.70C56D40-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 26455 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2000 23:28:17 -0000 Received: from penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.134) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 12 Oct 2000 23:28:17 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.138] (sdn-ar-002txaustP026.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.138]) by penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22278 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010122328.QAA22278@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:16:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk who cares about being nice.. you don't think getting 10 people together to hide, wait for him to show up and then.... JUMP HIM! would be a good idea? if he didn't want to be stalked then he shouldn't have made it such an interesting challenge. i once stalked keiji heino for a few blocks (until he went into a starbucks, there is no point in stalking a starbucks patron). stalking is a highly underestimated activity. i don't think we were talking about actually doing it but more why no one has done it yet. and just following someone isn't illegal, private investigators do it all the time. for it to be illegal you would have to harass , threaten the victim or break in to their property or something. ~j[sic] ---------- >From: "josh ." >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) >Date: Thu, Oct 12, 2000, 4:34 PM > > actually, I don't think it would be very nice to track the guy down. I >think people need the respect a certain element of jandek. >Namely his privacy. His art is merged with his solitude. > >>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:58:35 -0500 >> >>my theory is that no one wants to wait around every day for maybe >>up to a month or so. seems like after the first week or so one >>would start to completely lose it. now say if there were a cofee shop >> >acrossthe street (apparently not) it'd be ok to wait there during >lunch >>hour(assuming he has a 9 to 5 and prob picks up his mail during >lunch, or >>after, depending >>on how late the po box is open). it'd probably be much more fun to >track >>him down some other way. > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27083 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2000 23:37:16 -0000 Received: from fortune-rwcmta.excite.com (HELO fortune.excite.com) (198.3.99.203) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 12 Oct 2000 23:37:16 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001012233649.IJPH25485.fortune.excite.com@doby.excite.com> for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:36:49 -0700 Message-ID: <10192250.971393809747.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:36:49 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.105.157.54 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:16:33 -0500, jason pierce wrote: > if he didn't want to be stalked then he shouldn't have made it such an > interesting challenge. What the hell are you doing listen to Jandek? Go back to listening to Limp Bizkit. Given your "mentality" you'd be right at home at their concerts, and mabye you'll have the opportunity to rape someone as well. ron listen to Jandek's music, but leave him the hell alone... _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27765 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2000 23:55:13 -0000 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.38) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 12 Oct 2000 23:55:13 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id l.a1.bce42b2 (4312) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:54:43 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:54:42 EDT Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Well, for the newcomers, let me assure you that there is indeed a Jandek stalker out there, though I haven't heard about their activites in a while. If you look on the net or list archives you'll find the evidence. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29071 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 00:16:44 -0000 Received: from web119.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.120) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 00:16:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 19973 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2000 00:16:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20001013001638.19972.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.218.245.10] by web119.yahoomail.com; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:16:38 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Be Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk If Jandek didn't want to be stalked, why does he have all the album covers with his shirt off? Listen to the words to "New Town." He's practically begging for it ! --- eckankore@excite.com wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:16:33 -0500, jason pierce wrote: > > > if he didn't want to be stalked then he shouldn't have made it such > an > > interesting challenge. > > What the hell are you doing listen to Jandek? Go back to listening to > Limp > Bizkit. Given your "mentality" you'd be right at home at their concerts, > and > mabye you'll have the opportunity to rape someone as well. > > ron > > listen to Jandek's music, but leave him the hell alone... > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > ===== http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29358 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 00:24:47 -0000 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (128.135.12.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 00:24:47 -0000 Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9D0OlH12934 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:24:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (spleimer@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9D0Ok429272 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:24:46 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: spleimer owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:24:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Sam Leimer X-Sender: spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu cc: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) In-Reply-To: <20001013001638.19972.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk TRUE, Jandek knows SEX SELLS! AND if Christina Carter were stalking him, we'd probably right her off as a some sort of nympho-groupie! my question to you stupid Jandek list, how do we know Jason Pierce is not some sort of sex starved Jandek-groupie/Corn-fan??? you sexist pigs, SAM On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Bradley Be wrote: > If Jandek didn't want to be stalked, why does he have all the album covers > with his shirt off? Listen to the words to "New Town." He's practically > begging for it ! > > --- eckankore@excite.com wrote: > > > > On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:16:33 -0500, jason pierce wrote: > > > > > if he didn't want to be stalked then he shouldn't have made it such > > an > > > interesting challenge. > > > > What the hell are you doing listen to Jandek? Go back to listening to > > Limp > > Bizkit. Given your "mentality" you'd be right at home at their concerts, > > and > > mabye you'll have the opportunity to rape someone as well. > > > > ron > > > > listen to Jandek's music, but leave him the hell alone... > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29832 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 00:26:59 -0000 Received: from penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.134) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 00:26:59 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.138] (sdn-ar-002txaustP026.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.138]) by penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21976 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010130026.RAA21976@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:15:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Other Ideas [footnoted] From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i was joking, <-[serious] oficially i have no interest in stalking jandek. <-[serious] i thought i had already established a tendancy towards a sarcastic sense of humor here. did anyone else think i was serious about having him beat up?<-[serious] i am completely insulted by your limp bizkit referance <-[joke] if we were face to face i would have no recourse but to remove my glove and bring it hard across your face and there would have to be a duel of some sort. <-[joke] ~j[sic]<-[neither joking nor serious but a statement of fact] <-[joke] i will resubmit the previous post with footnotes <-[joke] >who cares about being nice.. you don't think getting 10 people together >to hide, wait for him to show up and then.... JUMP HIM! would be a good >idea?<-[joke] >if he didn't want to be stalked then he shouldn't have made it such an >interesting challenge.<-[joke] i once stalked keiji heino for a few blocks (until he >went into a starbucks, >there is no point in stalking a starbucks patron).<-[joke] stalking is a highly >underestimated >activity.<-[joke] > >i don't think we were talking about actually doing it but more why no one >has done it yet. and just following someone isn't illegal, private >investigators do it all the time.<-[statement of fact] >for it to be illegal you would have to harass , threaten the victim or break >in to their property or something.<-[statement of fact] ---------- >From: eckankore@excite.com >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) >Date: Thu, Oct 12, 2000, 6:36 PM > > >On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:16:33 -0500, jason pierce wrote: > >> if he didn't want to be stalked then he shouldn't have made it such an >> interesting challenge. > >What the hell are you doing listen to Jandek? Go back to listening to Limp >Bizkit. Given your "mentality" you'd be right at home at their concerts, and >mabye you'll have the opportunity to rape someone as well. > >ron > >listen to Jandek's music, but leave him the hell alone... > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Say Bye to Slow Internet! >http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 30393 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 00:37:32 -0000 Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 00:37:32 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (adsl-141-151-144-94.bellatlantic.net [141.151.144.94]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA10093 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200010130026.RAA21976@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <200010130026.RAA21976@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:36:06 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: Other Ideas [footnoted] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Jason, I think you're on to something. <-[serious] Just annotate all your posts in the same way, <-[serious] and it may spread out over the Web, viral/meme-like... <-[serious _and_ joke] Flame wars may become a thing of the past. <-[exaggeration] Cheers, <-[standard signoff] Maurice <-[name] At 7:15 PM -0500 10/12/00, jason pierce wrote: >i was joking, <-[serious] >i will resubmit the previous post with footnotes <-[joke] > -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31854 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 01:07:18 -0000 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.85) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 01:07:18 -0000 Received: from [63.29.89.197] (1Cust197.tnt1.steamboat-springs.co.da.uu.net [63.29.89.197]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26705 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:07:06 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:06:42 -0600 Subject: How do we know... From: David Caddell To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk How do we know, for that matter, that Jason Pierce wasn't in Spacemen 3? Well, I doubt any member of Spacemen 3 would follow Keiji Heino into a Starbucks, but still . . . ~me Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1884 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 02:03:21 -0000 Received: from penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.134) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 02:03:21 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.138] (sdn-ar-002txaustP026.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.138]) by penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05045 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010130203.TAA05045@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:51:38 -0500 Subject: Re: How do we know... From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i must note that i infact did not follow mr heino INTO the starbucks. i veered off just in the nick of time, before he could fully open the door and step inside. BIG DIFFERANCE.<-[serious] <-[joke] ~j[sic] ---------- >From: David Caddell >To: >Subject: How do we know... >Date: Thu, Oct 12, 2000, 8:06 PM > >How do we know, for that matter, that Jason Pierce wasn't in Spacemen 3? >Well, I doubt any member of Spacemen 3 would follow Keiji Heino into a >Starbucks, but still . . . > >~me > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2815 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 02:19:00 -0000 Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (209.89.75.17) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 02:19:00 -0000 Received: from ip202.ottawa11.dialup.canada.psi.net ([154.5.32.202]) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 13juRb-0000Gp-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:19:36 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:18:43 -0400 Subject: Re: How do we know... From: "Sam M." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200010130203.TAA05045@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Geez, and now we'll never know whether Mr Heino is...a YUPPIE/Blandoid in disguise! I mean, would he order a plain ol'coffee (ie, house blend), or is he a mochacchino kinda guy? > From: "jason pierce" > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:51:38 -0500 > To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > Subject: Re: How do we know... > > i must note that i infact did not follow mr heino INTO the starbucks. > i veered off just in the nick of time, before he could fully open the door > and > step inside. BIG DIFFERANCE.<-[serious] <-[joke] <-[sic] > > ~j[sic] > > > > ---------- >> From: David Caddell >> To: >> Subject: How do we know... >> Date: Thu, Oct 12, 2000, 8:06 PM >> > >> How do we know, for that matter, that Jason Pierce wasn't in Spacemen 3? >> Well, I doubt any member of Spacemen 3 would follow Keiji Heino into a >> Starbucks, but still . . . > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5557 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 03:26:12 -0000 Received: from eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.24) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 03:26:12 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.138] (sdn-ar-002txaustP026.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.138]) by eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26148 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010130326.UAA26148@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:14:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk no i think it's all the same guy. just think that those photos could have been taken at any point over the last 20 years. or even before that like 25 years. alot of the photos look like they are taken from photo albums. like the cover to the first album looks like an old polaroid from a family photo album and he may have cut the people out. well like if the photo panned a bit you'd see an old woman with granny glasses on. or a wierd uncle or something. it's madening that i can't tell what that book on the sill is. ~j[sic] ---------- ---------- >From: "Darin Mitchell" >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) >Date: Thu, Oct 5, 2000, 3:10 PM > >Anyway, I was looking at some more pictures on the sleeves: are you guys >sure that's the same person. "Requiem" looks like somebody different: dad >perhaps. That also got me thinking, perhaps the guest performers are close >relations to Jandek. People, generally, have big mouths, so you would think >that someone would have said something about playing with Jandek by now. >That's not something you keep secret. In my mind, a family member would be >more likely to keep the goods a secret than a friend or an acquaintance. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6058 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 03:28:39 -0000 Received: from f224.law8.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.224) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 03:28:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:28:12 -0700 Received: from 192.211.16.8 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 03:28:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [192.211.16.8] From: "aerick duckhugger" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: the Jandek tribute rules, dudes!!! Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 03:28:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2000 03:28:12.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DF2CA70:01C034C5] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk geesh, i go away from all computers for 2 weeks or so and come back to find the jandek list flooded w/ negative debate and comments concerning the Summerstep's Jandek Tribute CD... i really don't know why all yall think so poorly of the tribute, eh.... i happen to like it quite abit... and despite whether it does Jandek any thread of justice or not i think it's fun to see how others interperated and reformed Jandek's songs, eh... perhaps all of you are just taking Jandek way too seriously... i'm on that comp. trk #10 Early Morning Initials - remain the same... i wasn't trying to encompass the spirit of Jandek nessicarily or remain true to anything Jandek stands for... i was trying to have some fun covering a song by an artist who (at various points throughout time) has inspired me.... and i think that's all there should be to it... abunch of Jandek lovin' kooks playing, toying with, recreating, or butchering Jandek songs... hooray hooray for Jandek... float a boat for the mystery king!!!... long live the Jandek tribute!! -aerick duckhugger -plastic duck recordings -http://www.geocities.com/agentduckhugger/pdr1.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8232 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 04:13:05 -0000 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 04:13:05 -0000 Received: from cinci.infi.net (A010-1211.CNCN.splitrock.net [209.255.139.195]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA23026 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E6B64B.CBE7D788@cinci.infi.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:14:18 -0700 From: "C. Spencer Yeh" Reply-To: wyvern@cinci.infi.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: How do we know... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Duh, Haino likes his coffee BLACK. best, Spencer "Sam M." wrote: > Geez, and now we'll never know whether Mr Heino is...a YUPPIE/Blandoid in > disguise! I mean, would he order a plain ol'coffee (ie, house blend), or is > he a mochacchino kinda guy? > > > From: "jason pierce" > > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:51:38 -0500 > > To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > > Subject: Re: How do we know... > > > > i must note that i infact did not follow mr heino INTO the starbucks. > > i veered off just in the nick of time, before he could fully open the door > > and > > step inside. BIG DIFFERANCE.<-[serious] <-[joke] <-[sic] > > > > ~j[sic] > > > > > > > > ---------- > >> From: David Caddell > >> To: > >> Subject: How do we know... > >> Date: Thu, Oct 12, 2000, 8:06 PM > >> > > > >> How do we know, for that matter, that Jason Pierce wasn't in Spacemen 3? > >> Well, I doubt any member of Spacemen 3 would follow Keiji Heino into a > >> Starbucks, but still . . . > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9368 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 04:39:04 -0000 Received: from ewey-rwcmta.excite.com (HELO ewey.excite.com) (198.3.99.191) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 04:39:04 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001013043837.UBNJ23819.ewey.excite.com@doby.excite.com> for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:38:37 -0700 Message-ID: <27323365.971411917354.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:38:37 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: the Jandek tribute rules, dudes!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.105.157.26 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 03:28:12 GMT, aerick duckhugger wrote: i really don't know why all yall think so > poorly of the tribute, eh.... because 17 of the 21 tracks suck shit perhaps all of > you are just taking Jandek way too seriously... I'm not so much taking him "seriously" and thinking that music so unique and special deserves a certain amount of respect. i'm on that comp. trk #10 > Early Morning Initials - remain the same... i wasn't trying to encompass the > spirit of Jandek nessicarily or remain true to anything Jandek stands for... No kidding- it sounds like you thought you were on a Skankin' Pickle tribute album I hope someday someone does justice to the idea of a "tribute"- real difficult one, huh? ron _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Message-ID: <20001013045320.10126.qmail@cs.nwu.edu> Received: (qmail 10117 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 04:53:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO Godzilla.cs.nwu.edu) (tisue@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 04:53:19 -0000 To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: the Jandek tribute rules, dudes!!! From: Seth Tisue In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:38:37 PDT." <27323365.971411917354.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:53:19 -0500 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >>>>> "eckankore" == eckankore writes: >> i really don't know why all yall think so >> poorly of the tribute, eh.... eckankore> because 17 of the 21 tracks suck shit Hey, I think you made your point a long time ago, OK? Let's not have another flamewar about it. Seth seth@tisue.net http://tisue.net Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11190 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 05:07:15 -0000 Received: from web6304.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.22.141) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 05:07:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20001013050714.24959.qmail@web6304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.54.153.91] by web6304.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:07:14 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:07:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Cooley Subject: Re: .... To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk annoying. You are annoying me. Discussion, yes. Insults and bickering, no. Not "can't we all just get along", but more like "Jesus...what is your problem?" Obviously if someone has heard of Jandek and has put together a piece of music paying tribute to Jandek, then that person is cool because they dig Jandek. And obviously Jandek himself is into it, too. So you're not impressing anyone. It's one thing to have an opinion, but another to just act like a dink. Come on, you can't be that hardcore...your name is "Ronald". > On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 03:28:12 GMT, aerick duckhugger > wrote: > > i really don't know why all yall think so > > poorly of the tribute, eh.... > > because 17 of the 21 tracks suck shit > > perhaps all of > > you are just taking Jandek way too seriously... > > I'm not so much taking him "seriously" and thinking > that music so unique and > special deserves a certain amount of respect. > > i'm on that comp. trk #10 > > Early Morning Initials - remain the same... i > wasn't trying to encompass > the > > spirit of Jandek nessicarily or remain true to > anything Jandek stands > for... > > No kidding- it sounds like you thought you were on a > Skankin' Pickle tribute > album > I hope someday someone does justice to the idea of a > "tribute"- real > difficult one, huh? > > ron > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11437 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 05:09:04 -0000 Received: from web6301.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.22.138) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 05:09:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20001013050903.11379.qmail@web6301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.54.153.91] by web6301.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:09:03 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:09:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Cooley Subject: Re: the Jandek tribute rules, dudes!!! To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk oh, man, Seth beat me to the punch... --- Seth Tisue wrote: > >>>>> "eckankore" == eckankore > writes: > > >> i really don't know why all yall think so > >> poorly of the tribute, eh.... > > eckankore> because 17 of the 21 tracks suck shit > > Hey, I think you made your point a long time ago, > OK? Let's not have > another flamewar about it. > > Seth > seth@tisue.net > http://tisue.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14868 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 06:37:54 -0000 Received: from f223.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.223) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 06:37:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:37:27 -0700 Received: from 208.194.202.246 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:37:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.194.202.246] From: "Christina Carter" To: onyxmirr@earthlink.net, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:37:26 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2000 06:37:27.0123 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D8FF230:01C034E0] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I was trying to discourage the idea by describing why it would be impractical. Christina >From: "jason pierce" >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:16:33 -0500 > >i don't think we were talking about actually doing it but more why no one >has done it yet. and just following someone isn't illegal, private >investigators do it all the time. >for it to be illegal you would have to harass , threaten the victim or >break >in to their property or something. > >~j[sic] >---------- > >From: "josh ." > >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > >Subject: Re: Other Ideas (not hiding my curiosity) > >Date: Thu, Oct 12, 2000, 4:34 PM > > > > > actually, I don't think it would be very nice to track the guy down. I > >think people need the respect a certain element of jandek. > >Namely his privacy. His art is merged with his solitude. > > > >>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:58:35 -0500 > >> > >>my theory is that no one wants to wait around every day for maybe > >>up to a month or so. seems like after the first week or so one > >>would start to completely lose it. now say if there were a cofee shop > >> >acrossthe street (apparently not) it'd be ok to wait there during > >lunch > >>hour(assuming he has a 9 to 5 and prob picks up his mail during >lunch, >or > >>after, depending > >>on how late the po box is open). it'd probably be much more fun to > >track > >>him down some other way. > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15129 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 06:43:10 -0000 Received: from changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (141.211.144.17) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 06:43:10 -0000 Received: from pm680-31.dialip.mich.net (pm680-31.dialip.mich.net [207.73.72.41]) by changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.2r) with ESMTP id CAA24937 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 02:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 02:52:31 -0400 From: Greg Baise To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: .... Message-ID: <742942354.971405551@pm680-31.dialip.mich.net> Originator-Info: login-id=gjbaise; server=g.imap.itd.umich.edu X-Mailer: Mulberry (Win32) [1.4.3, s/n S-399020] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --On Thursday, October 12, 2000, 10:07 PM -0700 Jason Cooley wrote: > It's one thing to have > an opinion, but another to just act like a dink. ain't just a dink -- a frustrated dink! and he ain't acting [<--non-ironic] and that's lame [<--serious] Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29732 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 12:41:58 -0000 Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.33) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 12:41:58 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id l.6b.ae3e80f (15904) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web36.aolmail.aol.com (web36.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.12]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:41:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:41:26 EDT From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Jandek Does Ebay To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <6b.ae3e80f.27185cf7@aol.com> Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hey, Just thought I'd mention that someone on Ebay is selling a few Jandek CD's on Ebay starting at 27.50, and claiming that they all were originally issued in 1981 (!!) and have been out of print for quite awhile! I love Ebay, but some sellers stretch the truth just a little too much. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 30409 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 12:51:03 -0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.37) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 12:51:03 -0000 Received: from GJCLIMER@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id l.98.b48c274 (3891) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:50:34 -0400 (EDT) From: GJCLIMER@aol.com Message-ID: <98.b48c274.27185f1a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:50:34 EDT Subject: list size To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 111 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I get about 10 to 20 emails a day from this list. as im sure you all know, because you get them too! Im on another email list that sends out one big email every night with everyones comments on it. its like the readers digest version. Is there any way i can set this list up to do that for me? That list is run by egroups.com. I love all the talk about J but this system is flooding my mailbox unless i check it every day! talk soon greg orlando fl Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1912 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 14:15:11 -0000 Received: from emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.31) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 14:15:11 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.94] (sdn-ar-001txaustP158.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.94]) by emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15255 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010131415.HAA15255@emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:03:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Jandek Does Ebay From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk they also had jandek cd's starting at $6.00. maybe they are the same cds to wich you refer but have been didded up. why would someone pay 27 dollar for the same cd you could get from corwood for much cheaper? ebay had quite a few jandek vinyl too. last i checked they were around 18 $ i got my copy of "staring at the cellophane" lp for like 4 bucks of course not at ebay though. ebay is evil, i saw a copy of H.N.A.S. "book of Dingenskirchen" for only 80$. i was thinking wow great deal because a. thats my favorite band b. there are only 70 copies of this record in existance c. i do not have a copy YET i was unaware of the minimum bid procedure of ebay. hence i got into a bidding duel with a preset maximum bid. auctions prey heavily on your ego. needless to say if my bid holds i could end up paying 160$ for "der holie grailen" of super obscure krautrock records? ~j[sic] ---------- >From: BlackBook78@aol.com >To: >Subject: Jandek Does Ebay >Date: Fri, Oct 13, 2000, 7:41 AM > >Hey, > >Just thought I'd mention that someone on Ebay is selling >a few Jandek CD's on Ebay starting at 27.50, and claiming that they all >were originally issued in 1981 (!!) and have been out of print for quite >awhile! I love Ebay, but some sellers stretch the truth just a little too much. > > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2517 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 14:23:09 -0000 Received: from smtp.gwi.net (207.5.128.11) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 14:23:09 -0000 Received: from mail.gwi.net (root@mail.gwi.net [207.5.128.142]) by smtp.gwi.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9DEN9L10929 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwi.net (d-207-5-172-163.gwi.net [207.5.172.163]) by mail.gwi.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9DEMpp18868 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E71B3C.A400658C@gwi.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:25:00 -0400 From: Will Berdan II X-Sender: "Will Berdan II" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Jandek Does Ebay References: <200010131415.HAA15255@emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk this is what that ebayer wrote... it was actually for 5 CDs not one..: ------- This collection contains 1 each of the following CD's: 0740 Six and Six, 0741 Later On, 0742 Chair Beside A Window, 0743 Living In A Moon So Blue, and 0744 Staring At The Cellophane. All CD's are brand new and still wrapped in cellophane. These titles were originally released in 1981 and 1982 have have been out of print for some time. ----------- -will jason pierce wrote: > > they also had jandek cd's starting at $6.00. maybe they are the same > cds to wich you refer but have been didded up. > why would someone pay 27 dollar for the same cd you could get > from corwood for much cheaper? > > ebay had quite a few jandek vinyl too. > last i checked they were around 18 $ > i got my copy of "staring at the cellophane" lp for like 4 bucks > of course not at ebay though. > > ebay is evil, i saw a copy of H.N.A.S. "book of Dingenskirchen" > for only 80$. i was thinking wow great deal because a. thats my favorite > band > b. there are only 70 copies of this record in existance > c. i do not have a copy > YET i was unaware of the minimum bid procedure of ebay. hence i got into > a bidding duel with a preset maximum bid. auctions prey heavily on your ego. > needless to say if my bid holds i could end up paying 160$ for "der holie > grailen" of super obscure krautrock records? > > ~j[sic] > ---------- > >From: BlackBook78@aol.com > >To: > >Subject: Jandek Does Ebay > >Date: Fri, Oct 13, 2000, 7:41 AM > > > > >Hey, > > > >Just thought I'd mention that someone on Ebay is selling > >a few Jandek CD's on Ebay starting at 27.50, and claiming that they all > >were originally issued in 1981 (!!) and have been out of print for quite > >awhile! I love Ebay, but some sellers stretch the truth just a little too much. > > > > > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3677 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 14:46:36 -0000 Received: from f273.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.236.151) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 14:46:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:46:09 -0700 Received: from 209.91.128.146 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:46:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.146] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: onyxmirr@earthlink.net, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Ready For the House Sill Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:46:09 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2000 14:46:09.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[533FD180:01C03524] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >it's madening that i can't tell what that book on the sill is. When I showed my ma the album cover of R4tH she said, "Oh, look, he put a small picture of himself on the cover." I sorta agree with her. I have never though of it being a book on the sill however; rather I just figured it was a picture of someone. What do y'all think? Is that a photo of someone or a book? I think it's a photo, possibly of himself. Take care. M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4106 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 14:48:16 -0000 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.36) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 14:48:16 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id f.df.af2aaaf (15893); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web28.aolmail.aol.com (web28.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.4]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:47:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:47:42 EDT From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Re: Jandek Does Ebay To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hey- The seller was actually auctioning a set of CD's, but still, with the listing price of 27.50, you'd pay more with shipping. Generally, most people aren't even aware that you can still buy the material, so they will overpay, that is until Corwood starts advertising in SPIN. Who knows if the people who bid will actually listen to the album though. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4813 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 14:58:16 -0000 Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r03.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.3) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 14:58:16 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id i.f2.38457ab (15890); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web28.aolmail.aol.com (web28.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.4]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:57:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:57:20 EDT From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Re: Ready For the House Sill To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I beleive it has been speculated that it could be a copy of a work by either Spinoza or Shakespeare. Perhaps its the cover of another album cover, or one that will appear in the future....It'd be interesting to think that the new album will have a similar cover to RFTH, since Corwood, in a letter, stated that "The Beginning" was an end to something, but the beginning of something else, and that the house wont exactly be on the cover, but....." I've noticed, after hearing most of the albums, that Jandek is consistent in working upon layers and layers of his own work (album titles in songs, recurrent names i.e nancy/john) and he even overdubs a backwards track on a song in Chair Beside a Window (Your condition from later on)So he either recycles music from improv jams, or treads upon similar topics in order to contemplate single factors in his life that have caused pain, anguish, sadness, happiness, joy etc etc Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5302 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 15:02:06 -0000 Received: from f287.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.236.165) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 15:02:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:01:39 -0700 Received: from 209.91.128.146 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:01:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.146] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Not Paying Attention Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:01:39 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2000 15:01:39.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D7171F0:01C03526] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Yeah, I think you're right, that is a book. I just went and grabbed my cd and you can kinda tell that the "yellow" on the side of the book goes beyond the shade screen. Someone with it on record would have a better chance of seeing what it is. Perhaps a Dostoyevsky book? M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5512 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 15:02:28 -0000 Received: from emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.31) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 15:02:28 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.94] (sdn-ar-001txaustP158.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.94]) by emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06022 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010131502.IAA06022@emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:50:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Ready For the House Sill From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk it's definately a book and the more i look at it the more it looks like an image of shakespeare(sp). i have seen books that look like that and it's usually a writer or philosopher from the 18th or 19th century or earlier. only thing though is that the whoever it is isn't wearing one of those round frilly collar things like with most images of shakespeare. it could also be the "three musketeers", "don quixote" or something like that. ~j ---------- >From: "Darin Mitchell" >To: onyxmirr@earthlink.net, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: Ready For the House Sill >Date: Fri, Oct 13, 2000, 9:46 AM > >>it's madening that i can't tell what that book on the sill is. > >When I showed my ma the album cover of R4tH she said, "Oh, look, he put a >small picture of himself on the cover." I sorta agree with her. > >I have never though of it being a book on the sill however; rather I just >figured it was a picture of someone. > >What do y'all think? Is that a photo of someone or a book? I think it's a >photo, possibly of himself. > >Take care. M. > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6174 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 15:08:54 -0000 Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.241) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 15:08:54 -0000 Received: from freeron ([63.204.12.178]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0G2D00LJ0J75D0@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:08:11 -0700 From: Ron Dulin Subject: Re: Ready For the House Sill To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Message-id: <002301c03527$676bf960$b20ccc3f@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 References: X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On the LP, it's pretty clear the book (and it's definitely a book) is one of those old Viking or Signet trade pb Shakespeare editions. -Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Darin Mitchell To: ; Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 7:46 AM Subject: Re: Ready For the House Sill > >it's madening that i can't tell what that book on the sill is. > > When I showed my ma the album cover of R4tH she said, "Oh, look, he put a > small picture of himself on the cover." I sorta agree with her. > > I have never though of it being a book on the sill however; rather I just > figured it was a picture of someone. > > What do y'all think? Is that a photo of someone or a book? I think it's a > photo, possibly of himself. > > Take care. M. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6451 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 15:15:32 -0000 Received: from mail.enteract.com (207.229.143.33) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 15:15:32 -0000 Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (bedmonds@shell-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.42]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA29646 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:15:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bedmonds@enteract.com) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:15:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Edmonds cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Ready For the House Sill In-Reply-To: <200010131502.IAA06022@emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, jason pierce wrote: > it's definately a book and the more i look at it > the more it looks like an image of shakespeare(sp). > i have seen books that look like that and it's > usually a writer or philosopher from the 18th or 19th century > or earlier. only thing though is that the whoever it is > isn't wearing one of those round frilly collar things > like with most images of shakespeare. it could also > be the "three musketeers", "don quixote" or something like that. > it could also be a big volume of klassic komix. why assume? you know what happens when you do. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 7798 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 15:38:29 -0000 Received: from web6305.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.22.142) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 15:38:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20001013153828.15553.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.54.156.166] by web6305.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:38:28 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:38:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Cooley Subject: Re: Ready For the House Sill To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk a friend of mine recently recognized it as a paperback copy of "Comedy of Errors". --- Ron Dulin wrote: > On the LP, it's pretty clear the book (and it's > definitely a book) is one of > those old Viking or Signet trade pb Shakespeare > editions. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8443 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 15:48:58 -0000 Received: from fortune-rwcmta.excite.com (HELO fortune.excite.com) (198.3.99.203) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 15:48:58 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001013154832.NDRD25485.fortune.excite.com@doby.excite.com> for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:48:32 -0700 Message-ID: <9304613.971452112168.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Jandek Does Ebay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.233.56.250 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Some of the Jandek titles on ebay tend to be vinyl albums that have not been issued on CD yet and are selling for an arm and a leg. These ones tend to be subject to the nastiest bidding wars. I would swear on my grandma's grave that at least a few of these people doing the insanely high bidding are collector scum, not fans. Collectors look for rare items in general, and it's the rarity of the item that makes them go after it, not the music itself. Me, I just want to hear the stuff, and I figure it'll be a while (if when) till Corwood reissues the later vinyl releases on CD. An earlier message this month related that Corwood would be reissuing some more of the early LP's ron the dink On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:47:42 EDT, BlackBook78@aol.com wrote: > Hey- > > The seller was actually auctioning a set of CD's, but still, with the listing price of 27.50, you'd pay more with shipping. Generally, most people aren't even aware that you can still buy the material, so they will overpay, that is until Corwood starts advertising in SPIN. Who knows if the people who bid will actually listen to the album though. _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8853 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 15:55:07 -0000 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.36) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 15:55:07 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id o.55.c06e354 (15859); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web35.aolmail.aol.com (web35.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.11]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:54:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:54:57 EDT From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Re: Jandek Does Ebay To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <55.c06e354.27188a51@aol.com> Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I only want to hear the material...Most of the bidding I've done on Ebay for Jandek LP's has turned into a last minute war where everytime you reload the page someone else is the high bidder. I fought like hell for Somebody in the Snow, it ended at around 60 with 16 bids to it. Thats the highest price I've seen so far. The lowest Ive paid was for one foot in the north, which ended at 18, quite a bargain! Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9780 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 16:07:04 -0000 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.35) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 16:07:04 -0000 Received: from Jlizard@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id l.95.1bfe7d6 (15814) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web25.aolmail.aol.com (web25.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.1]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:06:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:06:35 EDT From: Jlizard@aol.com Subject: Jandek CD's on Ebay To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <95.1bfe7d6.27188d0b@aol.com> Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In defense of some of the earlier posts for the 5 CD Jandek collection on Ebay, I am the one who is selling them. I did not intend on misleading anyone or care to make a huge profit. I simply make a bulk order (to get a better price on the CD's) and am selling the rest. I was going to let the newsgroup know first, but I was not sure if everyone likes reading "for sale" posts. But since someone else aready brought it up, I do have one additional set of the following 5 CD's; six and six, later on, chair beside a window, living in a moon so blue, and staring at the cellophane. If anyone is interested in getting this entire set, i will sell them for $28.20 (priority mail shipping included). First reply first reserve. Payment must be made via www.Paypal.com. P.S., if you don't have a Paypal account - they give you $5 free just for signing up. Peace, Glen Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10361 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 16:10:27 -0000 Received: from emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.31) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 16:10:27 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.94] (sdn-ar-001txaustP158.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.94]) by emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20614 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010131610.JAA20614@emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:58:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Ready For the House Sill From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i'm not assuming anything. i have seen books that look like that. that definately looks like shakepeare. or at least another writer, philosopher or poet from that era. i can definately make out an elizebethean goatee. unless it's a guy wearing overalls, or liederhosen i'm pretty sure he's wearing an elizebethean or puritan (similiar) style collar. im about 75 % sure that is a shakespeare book. the book is too small to be a big volume of anything. it is smaller than the ashtray and that doesnt look like a huge ashtray. it's a normal sized cheap paperback. it just looks like the book was put there specifically for this photo. it looks like it is on display. this could be a clue of somesort, a lead to go on etc. ~j[sic] ---------- >From: Benjamin Edmonds >Subject: Re: Ready For the House Sill >Date: Fri, Oct 13, 2000, 10:15 AM > >>it could also be a big volume of klassic komix. why assume? you know what >>happens when you do. > > >On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, jason pierce wrote: > >> it's definately a book and the more i look at it >> the more it looks like an image of shakespeare(sp). >> i have seen books that look like that and it's >> usually a writer or philosopher from the 18th or 19th century >> or earlier. only thing though is that the whoever it is >> isn't wearing one of those round frilly collar things >> like with most images of shakespeare. it could also >> be the "three musketeers", "don quixote" or something like that. >> > > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11272 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 16:21:47 -0000 Received: from emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.31) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 16:21:47 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.94] (sdn-ar-001txaustP158.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.94]) by emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19288 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010131621.JAA19288@emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:10:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Ready For the House Sill From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk that totally makes sense. it seems a pretty self conscious referance as i assume jandek is not the most happy go lucky guy in the world. ~j ---------- >From: Jason Cooley >To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu >Subject: Re: Ready For the House Sill >Date: Fri, Oct 13, 2000, 10:38 AM > > >a friend of mine recently recognized it as a paperback >copy of "Comedy of Errors". > >--- Ron Dulin wrote: >> On the LP, it's pretty clear the book (and it's >> definitely a book) is one of >> those old Viking or Signet trade pb Shakespeare >> editions. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12064 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 16:31:08 -0000 Received: from ha1.rdc1.kt.home.ne.jp (HELO mail.rdc1.kt.home.ne.jp) (203.165.9.242) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 16:31:08 -0000 Received: from [203.165.101.178] by mail.rdc1.kt.home.ne.jp (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20001013163100.BJHO15224.mail.rdc1.kt.home.ne.jp@[203.165.101.178]>; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:31:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: paul@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <55.c06e354.27188a51@aol.com> References: <55.c06e354.27188a51@aol.com> Homepage: http://noise.as JALT: http://jalt.org KitakyushuJALT: http://www.seafolk.ne.jp/kqjalt Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:30:55 +0900 To: BlackBook78@aol.com, , From: Paul Collett Subject: Jandek Does Japan Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Interesting "cross-cultural" perspective re. the auctions. Three LPs are currently offered on the Yahoo Japan auction site - The Living End, On the Way and Twelth Apostle. The seller lists them as "Acid Folk", Texas's Mikami Kan (If the name is not familiar, Japanese "folk" artist who plays with Keiji Haino in Vajra etc). Starting prices are 2800 yen for Twelth Apostle - about US$25 and 6500 ($62) yen for the other two...zero bids in two weeks. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14483 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 17:02:45 -0000 Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r03.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.3) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 17:02:45 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id l.58.1d9a7a6 (4421) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:02:10 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <58.1d9a7a6.27189a12@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:02:10 EDT Subject: Re: Jandek Does Ebay To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 106 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Did anyone notice that one of the LPs on Ebay right now has an accompanying picture that's, well...NOT a Jandek album? I've seen the prices of Jandek LPs on Ebay skyrocketing ever since the reissue CDs started coming out. A little over a year ago I got a sealed copy of Twelfth Apostle for $12, and I was the only bidder! Even a few months ago I picked up mint copies of Foreign Keys and Telegraph Melts for $20 each. There was a dealer I found online (not on Ebay) who listed sealed copies of the first 4 "Jandek" (not Units) LPs for $10 each; "Good Lord!", you say, but of course he had already sold them by the time I wrote to him. He asked me what he could've gotten away with charging for them, and not wanting to give a dealer the upper hand, I said, "Oh, $20 each easily". So a few days ago I checked out the same dealer's site, and he's selling On the Way for fucking $75!!! It's a crazy world... Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15564 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 17:16:38 -0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.37) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 17:16:38 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id l.86.16bd93b (15883); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web34.aolmail.aol.com (web34.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.10]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:16:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:16:05 EDT From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Re: Jandek Does Ebay To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <86.16bd93b.27189d55@aol.com> Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk The covers obviously arent Jandek, they're GWAR!! Who was that dealer that was selling the LP's? I've already acquired two sealed albums, but I noticed that that doesnt seem to create a high demand...I suppose people think the same of all of them, regardless of the condition. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24374 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 20:22:21 -0000 Received: from f30.law10.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.30) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 20:22:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:21:55 -0700 Received: from 198.103.138.130 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:21:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.103.138.130] From: "Dudley Morris" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Paypal sucks (Was: Jandek CDs on Ebay) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:21:54 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2000 20:21:55.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[3ABA75F0:01C03553] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is as good an opportunity to ask this as any: Why do so many Ebay sellers insist on using Paypal over Billpoint? I understand the former is less secure, having been hacked in the past, and it is a pain in the ass for those of us who don't live in the USA, and thus can't use it, and end up having to shell out $$$$ for overpriced MO's as many sellers don't take cheques. Come on! What's the advantage? >From: Jlizard@aol.com >To: >Subject: Jandek CDs on Ebay >Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:06:35 EDT > >In defense of some of the earlier posts for the 5 CD Jandek collection on >Ebay, I am the one who is selling them. I did not intend on misleading >anyone or care to make a huge profit. I simply make a bulk order (to get a >better price on the CD's) and am selling the rest. I was going to let the >newsgroup know first, but I was not sure if everyone likes reading "for >sale" >posts. But since someone else aready brought it up, I do have one >additional >set of the following 5 CD's; six and six, later on, chair beside a window, >living in a moon so blue, and staring at the cellophane. If anyone is >interested in getting this entire set, i will sell them for $28.20 >(priority >mail shipping included). First reply first reserve. Payment must be made >via www.Paypal.com. P.S., if you don't have a Paypal account - they give >you >$5 free just for signing up. > >Peace, >Glen > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 25328 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 20:40:51 -0000 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (128.135.12.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 20:40:51 -0000 Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9DKeoH12153 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:40:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (spleimer@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9DKelr25019 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:40:47 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: spleimer owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:40:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Sam Leimer X-Sender: spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Paypal sucks (Was: Jandek CDs on Ebay) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Dudley Morris wrote: > This is as good an opportunity to ask this as any: Why do so many Ebay > sellers insist on using Paypal over Billpoint? I understand the former is > less secure, having been hacked in the past, and it is a pain in the ass for > those of us who don't live in the USA, and thus can't use it, and end up > having to shell out $$$$ for overpriced MO's as many sellers don't take > cheques. Come on! What's the advantage? well, now that we're totally off topic: a) it consolidates your bills and you can pay them all electronically b) you don't have to "go get" overpriced mo's both of which are great for me because I ripped up my checkbook in a drunken rage. c) you don't have to go to the bank/atm/etc. to deposit/cash checks or mo's and you don't have to wait for them to clear (as your bank or credit card account is automatically adjusted) I guess it does suck for you, outside-of-the-USA guy, obviously though, the sellers are reducing the bidding market for their items... SAM > >From: Jlizard@aol.com > >To: > >Subject: Jandek CDs on Ebay > >Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:06:35 EDT > > > >In defense of some of the earlier posts for the 5 CD Jandek collection on > >Ebay, I am the one who is selling them. I did not intend on misleading > >anyone or care to make a huge profit. I simply make a bulk order (to get a > >better price on the CD's) and am selling the rest. I was going to let the > >newsgroup know first, but I was not sure if everyone likes reading "for > >sale" > >posts. But since someone else aready brought it up, I do have one > >additional > >set of the following 5 CD's; six and six, later on, chair beside a window, > >living in a moon so blue, and staring at the cellophane. If anyone is > >interested in getting this entire set, i will sell them for $28.20 > >(priority > >mail shipping included). First reply first reserve. Payment must be made > >via www.Paypal.com. P.S., if you don't have a Paypal account - they give > >you > >$5 free just for signing up. > > > >Peace, > >Glen > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31472 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 22:21:19 -0000 Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (209.89.75.17) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 22:21:19 -0000 Received: from ip211.ottawa7.dialup.canada.psi.net ([154.5.69.211]) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 13kDD8-0000gV-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:21:54 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:21:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Paypal sucks (Was: Jandek CDs on Ebay) From: "Sam M." CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > From: Sam Leimer > On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Dudley Morris wrote: > >> This is as good an opportunity to ask this as any: Why do so many Ebay >> sellers insist on using Paypal over Billpoint? I understand the former is >> less secure, having been hacked in the past, and it is a pain in the ass for >> those of us who don't live in the USA, and thus can't use it, and end up >> having to shell out $$$$ for overpriced MO's as many sellers don't take >> cheques. Come on! What's the advantage? > > well, now that we're totally off topic: > a) it consolidates your bills and you can pay them all electronically > b) you don't have to "go get" overpriced mo's > > both of which are great for me because I ripped up my checkbook in a > drunken rage. > > c) you don't have to go to the bank/atm/etc. to deposit/cash checks or > mo's and you don't have to wait for them to clear (as your bank or credit > card account is automatically adjusted) > > I guess it does suck for you, outside-of-the-USA guy, > obviously though, the sellers are reducing the bidding market for their > items... ABsolutley. This dosen't explain why sellers won't opt for payment via Billpoint in addition to PP, though, but it's good promo for the non-Ebay applications of PayPal. Anyway, I'll pay more for an Ebay item if the seller accepts Billpoint over an identical item sold by a guy who dosen't, if sending non-US bank cheques isn't an option. It's too expensive (th ePO charges a premium on the exchange rate, too) and too much of a hassle to buy MOs, and sending cash is always a dicey proposition. And this isn't strictly off-topic - the guy selling the 5 Jandek CDs, recall, only accepted PayPal, and thus was my rant spurred. Of course, he won't sell 'em to non-Americans anyway, so it dosen't affect me either way, but still. Back to our regularly scheduled program! Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 32236 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 22:37:24 -0000 Received: from f71.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.71) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Oct 2000 22:37:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:36:58 -0700 Received: from 209.91.128.143 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:36:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.143] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: The Mighty Journalist Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:36:57 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2000 22:36:58.0020 (UTC) FILETIME=[187DAE40:01C03566] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Does anyone here find it odd that in the Chusid article (I am unaware if he also does it in the book), "The Original Disconnect," he refers to that fellow 'Glenn' in the GBV chat list? How substantial can that be? The first time I read it I thought the kid was probably just getting Chusid going, especially about having the friend named "Max," and the Jandek "stalking" bit. I thought that was a bit absurd, and I find that it works against the article in general. I seriously doubt that was the case anyhow. I mean what kind of professional writing is that anyway? An internet chatroom or list or whatever is not a place you go for credible information about someone, i don't think. Also, it makes me wonder if he used that to knock the listen-ability of Jandek's music (the "it's just pathetic" quote). Furthermore, doesn't Chusid say at the end of the article that he hoped in heaven or something that all that was played was Jandek's music?** I thought he supposedly disliked Jandek's music (in regards to what some on the list said earlier)? Any clarification on this point? I admit that the "Glenn" quotes were "intriguing" in their gossip-y sense, but, come on, I am really sure that Jandek got to know "Max's" family members and such. I don't know, I just don't buy it. Just more myth making in my opinion. No fact. Just gossip. Any thoughts? M. **"If so, by failing to fully grasp his aesthetic, I have forsaken salvation. And come Armageddon, while Jandek ascends with his disciples to a place where harps strum gently all day, I will descend to a region where mighty loudspeakers pipe in nothing but Jandek records for eternity." _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29123 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2000 11:40:02 -0000 Received: from eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.24) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 14 Oct 2000 11:40:02 -0000 Received: from [168.191.184.50] (sdn-ar-001txaustP312.dialsprint.net [168.191.184.50]) by eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04196 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010141140.EAA04196@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 06:28:15 -0500 Subject: Re: The Mighty Journalist From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk if you read closely he says he DESCENDS. you do not descend into heaven. there is no portrayal of heaven anywhere where one descends to heaven. it is quite unclear but i believe he is actually refering to hell. to paraphrase chusid suggest that jandek goes to heaven or whatever and chusid goes to hell and has to listen to jandek records for all eternity. it seems chusid is refering to being punished. it's quite mean spirited sarcasm. ok maybe it's not that unclear. ~j ---------- >From: "Darin Mitchell" >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: The Mighty Journalist >Date: Fri, Oct 13, 2000, 5:36 PM > >Furthermore, doesn't Chusid say at the end of the article that he hoped in >heaven or something that all that was played was Jandek's music?** I thought >he supposedly disliked Jandek's music (in regards to what some on the list >said earlier)? Any clarification on this point? >**"If so, by failing to fully grasp his aesthetic, I have forsaken >salvation. And come Armageddon, while Jandek ascends with his disciples to a >place where harps strum gently all day, I will descend to a region where >mighty loudspeakers pipe in nothing but Jandek records for eternity." > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27743 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2000 01:54:44 -0000 Received: from f109.law8.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.109) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 15 Oct 2000 01:54:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:54:17 -0700 Received: from 192.211.25.65 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:54:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [192.211.25.65] From: "aerick duckhugger" To: eckankore@excite.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: jandek horns Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:54:16 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2000 01:54:17.0216 (UTC) FILETIME=[D39D6000:01C0364A] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >No kidding- it sounds like you thought you were on a Skankin' Pickle >tribute album just for the record the Early Morning Initials is not a ska band... but we felt at the time that it would be fun to cover that track of Jandek's with a poppy rhythm and horns... not to mention that one of those horns was an old coronet that had been run over by a truck far previous to it being used on that track... i'm a person of absurdist sensibilities and i thought it was perfectly absurd to cover a Jandek song that way.. and thus, perfect to cover the song that way, eh. -aerick duckhugger -http://www.geocities.com/agentduckhugger _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19518 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2000 15:55:45 -0000 Received: from f92.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.92) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 17 Oct 2000 15:55:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:55:18 -0700 Received: from 209.91.128.114 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:55:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.114] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Tribute Jandek (1 More Time) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:55:18 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2000 15:55:18.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5D02810:01C03852] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >From Pitchfork Online (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/j/jandek/naked-in-the-afternoon.shtml): Various Artists Naked in the Afternoon: A Tribute to Jandek [Summersteps] Rating: 5.5 In the suburban neighborhood of independent music, Jandek is the subject of Tom Waits' "What's He Building?"-- the guy in the shuttered, run-down house at the far end of the street that no one ever sees, let alone talks to. But every now and then, you can catch a fleeting half-glimpse of him passing by a window, or hear strange, sad noises emanating from the house late at night. It's not that he's scary or creepy or anything, he just keeps to himself a lot. All the time, actually. Composer of some 28 (!) albums since 1978-- all released on what one assumes is his own Corwood Industries label-- nobody really knows anything about Jandek beyond his records. He's obscurity personified, and as such, quite a cult has sprung up around his artistic vision. But while his influence on other musicians is negligible at best, the music community holds him in an odd sort of esteem; hence, Naked in the Afternoon, a wide-ranging assortment of Jandek covers that certainly captures his particular charms and even sometimes manages to be listenable. As with most small-label "tribute albums" or compilations, Naked in the Afternoon functions as a vehicle for exposure of artists on the hitherto unknown Summersteps label. In fact, there are only a few recognizable names on the track listing, so chances are that you're not going to be too interested in this album for the people that play on it. And since the selections cover such a wide range of Jandek's catalog, it's doubtful that any listener has heard even half the originals, so you're probably not going to listen to this album to see how the artists interpret individual songs. But Naked in the Afternoon still does a pretty good job of acting as a fractured prism through which one may get a glimpse of Jandek from the point of view of his musical peers. Most of the musicians on Naked in the Afternoon begin with Jandek's sparse aesthetic-- poorly tuned, clumsily played acoustic guitar, low moaning vocals, a general eerie-basement-netherworld atmosphere-- and combine it with their own sound. Retsin's folky but still mildly dissonant "New Town" and Low's spooky floating-tone "Carnival Queen" complement Jandek's stark uneasiness quite well. Pipes You See, Pipes You Don't (featuring Will Cullen Hart of Olivia Tremor Control) are less successful, sticking a Jandek stand-in in front of OTC-like weird noisy overdubs. Some people focus on bringing out the songs' melodic sides; Kid Icarus turns "She Fell Down" into a sorrowful slice of lo-fi bedroom pop, and Ivory Elephant's quiet, mournful acoustic picking turns "Nancy Sings" into a genuinely pretty moment. Some of the other tracks on Naked in the Afternoon take an experimental tack, with wildly varying results. Dapper (featuring Thurston Moore) leans toward the less enjoyable dissonant-noise side of Jandek, with four minutes of annoying clanging and banging that barely masks their ironic snickering. Bright Eyes, evidently taking the "tribute to Jandek" angle a bit too seriously, contributes not a Jandek cover but a pretty lousy sound-collage piece wherein disembodied voices attempt to explain the Jandek phenomenon. More successful are the predominantly ambient tracks, particularly Amy Denio's "Your Condition," her ethereal vocals hovering over a bed of industrial-sounding noise loops. Finally, there are the tracks which sound nothing like Jandek whatsoever. Peter Weiss and Brian Charles do a rockabilly version of "Quinn Boys II," the Early Morning Initials turn "Remain the Same" into subdued two-tone ska, and the Goblins turn in a primitive garage-rock version of "War Dance." So, no one's doubting that this compilation boasts diversity. Still, as a whole, Naked in the Afternoon doesn't rise above the level of "vaguely appealing curiosity," even if those unfamiliar with Jandek may find it to be an unusual but nonetheless effective introduction to his music. -Nick Mirov _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12878 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2000 01:40:55 -0000 Received: from merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.156) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 Oct 2000 01:40:55 -0000 Received: from [168.191.184.43] (sdn-ar-001txaustP305.dialsprint.net [168.191.184.43]) by merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17835 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010190140.SAA17835@merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:28:37 -0500 Subject: Public service announcement From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk no body here cept us crickets! ~j Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4061 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2000 10:49:19 -0000 Received: from web2305.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.80) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 Oct 2000 10:49:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20001019104918.7234.qmail@web2305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.79.204.2] by web2305.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 03:49:18 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 03:49:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Subject: what's in print To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1231192379-971952558=:26685" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --0-1231192379-971952558=:26685 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone know which cds, lps are currently available and what reissues are on the horizion? 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It's FREE. --0-1231192379-971952558=:26685-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11532 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2000 14:15:47 -0000 Received: from mail.enteract.com (207.229.143.33) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 Oct 2000 14:15:47 -0000 Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (bedmonds@shell-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.42]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25455 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:15:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bedmonds@enteract.com) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:15:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Edmonds cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: what's in print In-Reply-To: <20001019104918.7234.qmail@web2305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Greg wrote: > > Does anyone know which cds, lps are currently available and what reissues are on the horizion? > > none of the lps are in print. the cds that are currently in print are all available through forced exposure, so i'd check their website and see what they list. i don't know about what's coming up soon but if you order from corwood they'll tell you if you ask. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Message-ID: <20001019143005.12568.qmail@cs.nwu.edu> Received: (qmail 12558 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2000 14:30:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO Godzilla.cs.nwu.edu) (tisue@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Oct 2000 14:30:04 -0000 To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu cc: Greg Subject: Re: what's in print From: Seth Tisue In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Oct 2000 03:49:18 PDT." <20001019104918.7234.qmail@web2305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:30:04 -0500 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Greg" == Greg writes: Greg> Does anyone know which cds, lps are currently available and Greg> what reissues are on the horizion? All the LP's are out of print. The following reissue CD's are available: 1978 READY FOR THE HOUSE (Corwood 0739) 1981 SIX AND SIX (Corwood 0740) 1981 LATER ON (Corwood 0741) 1982 CHAIR BESIDE A WINDOW (Corwood 0742) 1982 LIVING IN A MOON SO BLUE (Corwood 0743) 1982 STARING AT THE CELLOPHANE (Corwood 0744) The reissues have been coming out at a pretty fast clip (all of the above in only a little over a year), so presumably it'll only be a few more years before everything is available again. The following new CD's are available: 1994 GRAVEN IMAGE (Corwood 0761) 1994 GLAD TO GET AWAY (Corwood 0762) 1996 WHITE BOX REQUIEM (Corwood 0763) 1997 I WOKE UP (Corwood 0764) 1998 NEW TOWN (Corwood 0765) 1999 THE BEGINNING (Corwood 0766) "The Beginning" came out just slightly over a year ago, so we're due for a new one anytime now... Seth seth@tisue.net http://tisue.net Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 20142 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2000 17:01:19 -0000 Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r03.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.3) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 Oct 2000 17:01:19 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 5.64.78b1027 (15895); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web37.aolmail.aol.com (web37.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.13]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.20) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:00:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:00:29 EDT From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Re: what's in print To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <64.78b1027.272082ad@aol.com> Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Seth seth@tisue.net http://tisue.net Santa has come to town!! It's so rare you ever see that sig in this newsgroup anymore..I suspect that nobody still thinks Seth is Jandek:) Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10216 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2000 00:46:00 -0000 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.36) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Oct 2000 00:46:00 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id f.5c.224d325 (4220) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:45:35 -0400 (EDT) From: BlackBook78@aol.com Message-ID: <5c.224d325.2720efaf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:45:35 EDT Subject: Jandek Talks! To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 115 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Thought this was a little amusing: Re: jandek! Apparently Jandeks email address is Jandek@corwood.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10840 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2000 00:57:14 -0000 Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Oct 2000 00:57:14 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (adsl-141-158-66-37.pittpa.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.158.66.37]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA10901 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5c.224d325.2720efaf@aol.com> References: <5c.224d325.2720efaf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:55:47 -0400 To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: Jandek Talks! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk OTOH, check out who owns the domain. Name look familiar? http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois/?STRING=corwood.com Maurice At 8:45 PM -0400 10/19/00, BlackBook78@aol.com wrote: >Thought this was a little amusing: > > Re: jandek! > >Apparently Jandeks email address is Jandek@corwood.com -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14318 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2000 02:12:29 -0000 Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (209.89.75.17) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Oct 2000 02:12:29 -0000 Received: from ip201.ottawa4.dialup.canada.psi.net ([154.5.13.201]) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 13mRg2-0004fw-00 for jandek@cs.nwu.edu; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:12:59 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:11:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Jandek Talks! From: "Sam M." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk No. Fill us in? > From: Maurice Rickard > Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:55:47 -0400 > To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu > Subject: Re: Jandek Talks! > > OTOH, check out who owns the domain. Name look familiar? > > http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois/?STRING=corwood.com > > Maurice > > At 8:45 PM -0400 10/19/00, BlackBook78@aol.com wrote: >> Thought this was a little amusing: >> >> Re: jandek! >> >> Apparently Jandeks email address is Jandek@corwood.com Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15176 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2000 02:30:48 -0000 Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Oct 2000 02:30:48 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (adsl-141-158-66-37.pittpa.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.158.66.37]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA12974 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:29:04 -0400 To: From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: Jandek Talks! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Nick Mirov, reviewer for Pitchfork...the recent reviewer, in fact, of the Summersteps tribute. http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/j/jandek/naked-in-the-afternoon.shtml Not a grand mystery or conspiracy or anything, but it suggests to me that Mr. Mirov may well be putting on the posters to the kpunk board, posting as Janky. -Maurice At 10:11 PM -0400 10/19/00, Sam M. wrote: >No. Fill us in? > >> From: Maurice Rickard >> >> OTOH, check out who owns the domain. Name look familiar? >> >> http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois/?STRING=corwood.com >> >> Maurice -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16025 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2000 02:47:50 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Oct 2000 02:47:50 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.167] (sdn-ar-002txaustP079.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.167]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28485 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010200247.TAA28485@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:35:35 -0500 Subject: re: jandek talks!!! From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk maybe we should email "jandek" and tell him what we want for christmas. "jandek is that really you? let's see i've been pretty good. i want a new tricycle, a carton of smokes, a pet marmoset......... "etc anyway that's really obscure and i apologize ~j ---------- >From: Maurice Rickard >To: >Subject: Re: Jandek Talks! >Date: Thu, Oct 19, 2000, 9:29 PM > >Nick Mirov, reviewer for Pitchfork...the recent reviewer, in fact, of >the Summersteps tribute. >http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/j/jandek/naked-in-the-afternoon.shtml > >Not a grand mystery or conspiracy or anything, but it suggests to me >that Mr. Mirov may well be putting on the posters to the kpunk board, >posting as Janky. > >-Maurice Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21191 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2000 05:00:41 -0000 Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r12.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.66) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Oct 2000 05:00:41 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id q.48.c66ac2c (4228); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:00:09 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <48.c66ac2c.27212b59@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:00:09 EDT Subject: Re: Jandek Talks! To: maurice@mac.com CC: jandek@cs.nwu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Nobody knows who the "Janky" of Jandek.com is yet...or do they? In a message dated 10/19/00 10:31:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, maurice@mac.com writes: > Not a grand mystery or conspiracy or anything, but it suggests to me > that Mr. Mirov may well be putting on the posters to the kpunk board, > posting as Janky. > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 25013 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2000 19:13:00 -0000 Received: from penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.134) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Oct 2000 19:13:00 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.105] (sdn-ar-001txaustP193.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.105]) by penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23951 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010201913.MAA23951@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:00:43 -0500 Subject: Re: jandek talks!!! From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk ---------- >From: Maurice Rickard >To: "jason pierce" >Subject: re: jandek talks!!! >Date: Fri, Oct 20, 2000, 8:12 AM > you though i was joking about the Norseguaard dissadent relocation theory? they are infiltrating our country and breeding Norseguaard fundamentalist sympathisers. though it has been going on much longer than i had previously assumed. was this the origin of jandek? ~j >Did you know that > there are living more > people of Norwegian > origin in the USA than > in Norway ? > > In the period of 1825 -1930 a > lot of Norwegians, due to a > rather poor period of our long > history, choose to emigrate - > mostly to the USA. Today 4,7 > million of Norwegian origin > lives in the USA. In Norway > we are 4,35 million people. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 25386 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2000 19:19:32 -0000 Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Oct 2000 19:19:32 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (adsl-141-158-66-37.pittpa.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.158.66.37]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA28987 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200010201913.MAA23951@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <200010201913.MAA23951@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:18:07 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: jandek talks!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I don't think I sent you the Norwegian information. But don't worry--just get in the Saab; we have people who'll take care of everything. -Maurice At 2:00 PM -0500 10/20/00, jason pierce wrote: >---------- >>From: Maurice Rickard >>To: "jason pierce" >>Subject: re: jandek talks!!! >>Date: Fri, Oct 20, 2000, 8:12 AM >> >you though i was joking about the Norseguaard dissadent relocation theory? >they are infiltrating our country and breeding Norseguaard fundamentalist >sympathisers. though it has been going on much longer than i had previously >assumed. >was this the origin of jandek? > >~j > >>Did you know that >> there are living more >> people of Norwegian >> origin in the USA than >> in Norway ? >> >> In the period of 1825 -1930 a >> lot of Norwegians, due to a >> rather poor period of our long >> history, choose to emigrate - >> mostly to the USA. Today 4,7 >> million of Norwegian origin >> lives in the USA. In Norway >> we are 4,35 million people. -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3608 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2000 20:53:42 -0000 Received: from f292.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.236.170) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Oct 2000 20:53:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:53:15 -0700 Received: from 208.194.207.71 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:53:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.194.207.71] From: "Christina Carter" To: bob@thirtythreedegrees.com Subject: Fwd: end of ktru? Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 15:53:14 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2000 20:53:15.0210 (UTC) FILETIME=[191FFAA0:01C03C6A] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >Hi - I am sending this notice to anyone that I think might remotely be >interested in the fate of a University Radio Station that is about to be >decimated by the Campus Administration. Thanks for your interest and >patience. Apologies to anyone that is _not_ interested after all. >(Apologies also if anyone receives this twice). > >KTRU 91.7 fm is a 50,000 watt station (yes, 50,000! It can be heard for >almost an hour outside of the Houston area) that has been broadcasting for >about 7 years at that wattage, with a total of about 25 years broadcasting. >It is a phenomenal station that supports local music, experimental, modern >classical, country and urban blues, folk and pop musics from all over the >world, punk, etc. In short _any_ music that you won't be able to hear on >commercial radio stations. It has a huge importance to the music community >in Houston and beyond. Unfortunately the Administration doesn't see it that >way and will be replacing the many fine shows (including the excellent Jazz >& Improvised Music and Modern & Contemporary Classical programs) with up to >12 HOURS A DAY of sports and lectures. Especially since the station >increased its wattage the audience and community that this station >broadcasts to and helps create goes way beyond the campus walls! > >Please, write to the administration and let them know your thoughts on the >importance and significance of free form college radio. KTRU is one of the >few things that helps Houston, Texas have a viable music culture. > >Thank you >Christina Carter > > >>From: Rosa Guerrero >>Reply-To: "Hawthorne Improv Collective" >>To: HawthorneImprovColl@listbot.com >>Subject: end of ktru? >>Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:37:12 -0500 >> >>Hawthorne Improv Collective - http://www.hichouston.org >> >>This story appeared on the front page of this morning's Thresher (Rice's >>student run newspaper): >> >>http://riceinfo.rice.edu/projects/thresher/current/news/story3.html >> >>I won't paraphrase the article since it is relatively short. I just might >>suggest that if you are interested in hearing your favorite show on KTRU >>this time next week, you might think of dropping a letter or fax or email >>to Dr. Zenaido Camacho, Vice President for Student Affairs MS-6, P.O. Box >>1892, Houston, TX, 77251. His email is vpsa@rice.edu and their fax is >>713.348.5322. >> >>Honestly, I think it comes down to fact that Rice administration doesn't >>realize what a huge part of the community KTRU has become since its >>inception. And how would they know unless we give KTRU's audience a face >>and a name? >> >>Feel free to forward this to other KTRU fans. >> >>-Rosa >> >>The future of KTRU is indeed in danger. If you are interested in voicing >>your opinion, please address your concerns to: > > > >KTRU-FM >ATTN: Programming Support >P.O. Box 1892 >Houston, TX 77251 > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14766 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2000 01:49:22 -0000 Received: from f174.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.174) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Oct 2000 01:49:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:48:55 -0700 Received: from 209.91.128.160 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:48:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.160] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: The Recapture of Vimy Ridge Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:48:55 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2000 01:48:55.0339 (UTC) FILETIME=[6710D7B0:01C03C93] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me if Corwood Industries is in fact a real physical place? I know it has a phone number (713-926-4044) and all, but does it have a real location (besides the P.O. Box that is)? What does the address 3333 Cummins Houston, TX 77027 have to do with all this? That's from this link: http://www.kasley.com/jandek/pix.html If you didn't already know. Does anyone recognize any of the Summersteps pictures Corwood took for the tribute album? Are the pictures from the Houston area or outside that area? Has anyone ever called the above number and received a response? What was it? Anywho, enjoy the night. M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 17060 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2000 02:39:21 -0000 Received: from web108.mail.yahoo.com (HELO web108.yahoomail.com) (205.180.60.75) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Oct 2000 02:39:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 22992 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Oct 2000 02:39:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20001023023919.22991.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.218.245.10] by web108.yahoomail.com; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:39:19 PDT Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:39:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Be Subject: Re: The Recapture of Rimy Vidge To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Darin Mitchell wrote: > Can anyone tell me if Corwood Industries is in fact a real physical > place? Corwood Industries is not limited by the physical realm. Corwood Industries is in the sky, in the water, in the exaust of car fumes, inside small grooves etched on vinyl. There is a little Corwood Industries in each and every one of us. > What does the address 3333 Cummins Houston, TX 77027 have to do with all > this? The building at this address is obviously a decoy. Jandek would never have so much lawn area without a garden cut into the corner... or just off the driveway. Not even at "corporate headquarters!!" > Does anyone recognize any of the Summersteps pictures Corwood took for > the tribute album? No > Has anyone ever called the above number and received a response? What > was it? I called the number many years ago. A man answered. I asked which vinyl releases were still available (he still had the last 4 or 5 LP releases available at the time.) He answered. I thanked him & hung up. By the way... the CD version of "The First End" fades out differently than the LP version, and also is missing the backwards "Your Condition" mixed into it. In fact, the whole CD sounds clearer than the LP, with a little reverb added in. I'm guessing that the origional LP was mastered off of a cassette mix, and the new CD re-release is re-mastered off of the origional master tape. Hmmmmm. Could be! ===== http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 17619 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2000 02:54:55 -0000 Received: from adsl-63-194-217-205.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO kasley.com) (admin@63.194.217.205) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Oct 2000 02:54:55 -0000 Received: from [10.10.100.3] by kasley.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:58:18 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:54:46 -0700 To: "Darin Mitchell" , jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Ian Kasley Subject: Re: The Recapture of Vimy Ridge Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk At 1:48 AM +0000 10/23/00, Darin Mitchell wrote: >Can anyone tell me if Corwood Industries is in fact a real physical place? I >know it has a phone number (713-926-4044) and all, but does it have a real >location (besides the P.O. Box that is)? > >What does the address 3333 Cummins Houston, TX 77027 have to do with all >this? that address was given for Corwood Industries when i did a search on Infospace.com... http://yp.infospace.com/info/searchyp?srchyp=1&?BP=1&BR=&QS=tx&QN=corwood+indust ries&QK=20&seed=23733&20457 i stopped by and snapped a couple of pictures from across the street one day back when i was still living in Houston. just an apartment complex, nothing particularly interesting that i noticed. i mean, other than the Corwood connection. >That's from this link: http://www.kasley.com/jandek/pix.html >If you didn't already know. > >Does anyone recognize any of the Summersteps pictures Corwood took for the >tribute album? Are the pictures from the Houston area or outside that area? i believe someone said they thought may have been taken at Glenwood Cemetery... http://houston.citysearch.com/E/V/HOUTX/0001/11/25/cs1.html http://www.findagrave.com/cemeteries/441.html >Has anyone ever called the above number and received a response? What was >it? people here on the list had mentioned that there was an answering machine on that line, so i called to record it, figuring no one would answer. much to my surprise, someone actually did... http://kasley.com/jandek/corwood_4.28.99.mp3 http://kasley.com/jandek/corwood_4.28.99.ram even if i hadn't have been stunned, i couldn't have talked back anyway because at the time i was calling with one of those voice-over-IP programs, and didn't have a microphone hooked up to my computer. i tried a few more calls for a week or so after that, still hoping to get the answering machine, but it just rang and rang. -ian Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5944 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2000 11:31:41 -0000 Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r15.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.69) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Oct 2000 11:31:41 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id r.63.cb850de (5712); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web49.aolmail.aol.com (web49.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.10]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.20) with ESMTP; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:30:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:30:28 EDT From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Re: The Recapture of Rimy Vidge To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <63.cb850de.27257b54@aol.com> Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk By the way... the CD version of "The First End" fades out differently than the LP version, and also is missing the backwards "Your Condition" mixed into it. In fact, the whole CD sounds clearer than the LP, with a little reverb added in. I'm guessing that the origional LP was mastered off of a cassette mix, and the new CD re-release is re-mastered off of the origional master tape. Hmmmmm. Could be! I moticed that too. I played my taped copy of the LP compared to the cd and found that there was no hissing or audible backwards harmonica...I guess they really cleaned it up.. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10858 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2000 13:57:33 -0000 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.38) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Oct 2000 13:57:33 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id f.93.22ec809 (15882) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web48.aolmail.aol.com (web48.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.9]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.20) with ESMTP; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:57:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:57:02 EDT From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Clanky Janky To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <93.22ec809.27259dae@aol.com> Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk It seems I'm on Ebay 24 hours a day lately, and constantly scour the Jandek listings. I find it amusing when people mistake the song titles, such as the current listing for The Living End LP: Skinky's Paradise (Slinky Parade) Cazy (Crazy) Or the rave reviews the Seller gives the songs: "On The Way, which includes the "classic" "I'll Sit Alone and Think A Lot About You" or "Janitors Dead" An absolute MUST HEAR and instant classic!!!! Now if only I could get a hold of "Rocks are Ready to Rumble".. oh well.. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31329 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2000 19:54:11 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Oct 2000 19:54:11 -0000 Received: from [168.191.184.31] (sdn-ar-001txaustP293.dialsprint.net [168.191.184.31]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13918 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010231954.MAA13918@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:41:55 -0500 Subject: some advice From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk o.k. i bought an hnas record from some guy in germany off of ebay(162.00$) i mailed the money order to him and got this reply: >Hi Jason, > >Klaus phoned me from Holland. Please be patient for a few weeks. His mother >is seriously ill and must be operated. He will be back as soon as possible >and will ship the record. > >Yours, Thees does this sound suspicious? what are the odds of this guys mother getting seriously ill coincidentally the same time as he gets the money order? and also that his mother is in a hospital in holland, this seems awfully convenient for some one if they wanted to delay shipping a record or not ship it at all or they never had it. i'm thinking they are attempting to delay me filing mail fraud charges until it is too late or something. i'm possibly being paranoid but i'm just going on the facts that i have. any suggestions on what i should do? i apologize for the lack of jandek content. ~j Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 32143 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2000 20:00:47 -0000 Received: from mail.enteract.com (207.229.143.33) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Oct 2000 20:00:47 -0000 Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (bedmonds@shell-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.42]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA17715 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:00:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bedmonds@enteract.com) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:00:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Edmonds cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: some advice In-Reply-To: <200010231954.MAA13918@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, jason pierce wrote: > > does this sound suspicious? what are the odds of this guys mother getting > seriously ill coincidentally the same time as he gets the money order? and > also > that his mother is in a hospital in holland, this seems awfully convenient well, what's the guy's feedback rating on ebay? if he's got high positives then maybe this is for real. it's at least worth a few more emails to get some answers before panicking (not that i blame you for being suspicious, since this is a little odd, but who knows?). although with a guy named "thees" you can't be sure about anything! Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10475 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2000 22:54:58 -0000 Received: from albqpop1.albq.uswest.net (207.108.240.1) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Oct 2000 22:54:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 72325 invoked by alias); 23 Oct 2000 22:39:31 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 69888 invoked by uid 0); 23 Oct 2000 22:37:53 -0000 Received: from albqdslgw1poolb113.albq.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.227.105.113) by albqpop1.albq.uswest.net with SMTP; 23 Oct 2000 22:37:53 -0000 Message-ID: <39F4BDA8.1CE6B3CD@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:37:28 -0600 From: Chris Woodward X-Sender: "Chris Woodward" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: re: some advice Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk that sounds like it's probably for real, I mean, why bother replying at all if they're scamming you, right? nevertheless - fellow Jandek fans - be wary of ebay.. be very cautious, check into the person's sales history, consider their payment req's (if they *require* you send a money order, that should put you on guard right away), consider everything carefully before you bid. the thought of ever pouring $162 into a **money order** and sending it to some stranger overseas is about the most incomprehensible thing I can think of at this moment.. you have absolutely no recourse if you get screwed.. aside from complaining to ebay, but that won't get your money back. this is another problem with money orders - it's the same thing as cash. at least if it were a check (or maybe if it was a money order and you had a carbon copy), in the united states you can always file a complaint with the district attorney's office in the crook's home state, but even then, you're at the mercy of some weird bureaucracy in another state. for example, in my state (NM), the d.a. doesn't even investigate bounced check claims anymore, their caseload is too great to bother. best, Chris Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15064 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 00:23:53 -0000 Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r15.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.69) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 00:23:53 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id f.a8.c2dc566 (4394); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:23:04 -0400 (EDT) From: BlackBook78@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:23:04 EDT Subject: Re: some advice To: onyxmirr@earthlink.net, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 115 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/23/2000 12:55:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, onyxmirr@earthlink.net writes: << >Hi Jason, > >Klaus phoned me from Holland. Please be patient for a few weeks. His mother >is seriously ill and must be operated. He will be back as soon as possible >and will ship the record. > >Yours, Thees does this sound suspicious >> Well why doesnt Thees send the record herself if she is aware of everything? Also, how is his feedback? I'd give them a time frame and if nothing shows file for fraud..."Please be patient for A FEW WEEKS?" Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15740 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 00:31:58 -0000 Received: from eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.24) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 00:31:58 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.31] (sdn-ar-001txaustP023.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.31]) by eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26737 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010240031.RAA26737@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:19:37 -0500 Subject: Re: some advice ebay insured up to 200$ From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk well actually all items are insured against deception or fraud. if you pay for one thing and say get something different or nothing at all. you can file an insurance claim and get your money back. as far as money orders go you have written proof that payment is recieved. i wouldn't even consider buying anything on ebay if it were'nt insured. there's no way ebay could exist without this insurance as no one would use it. i'm not worried so much about losing my money so much as having it be a complete pain in the butt to get it back.(this is prob a logical assumption) ofcourse unless i completely misunderstood ebays explicitly written out insurance policy, nevertheless i would be the last person to discourage wariness concerning ebay. ~j ---------- >From: Chris Woodward >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: re: some advice >Date: Mon, Oct 23, 2000, 5:37 PM > >that sounds like it's probably for real, I mean, why bother replying at >all if they're scamming you, right? > >nevertheless - fellow Jandek fans - be wary of ebay.. be very cautious, >check into the person's sales history, consider their payment req's (if >they *require* you send a money order, that should put you on guard >right away), consider everything carefully before you bid. the thought >of ever pouring $162 into a **money order** and sending it to some >stranger overseas is about the most incomprehensible thing I can think >of at this moment.. you have absolutely no recourse if you get screwed.. >aside from complaining to ebay, but that won't get your money back. > >this is another problem with money orders - it's the same thing as cash. >at least if it were a check (or maybe if it was a money order and you >had a carbon copy), in the united states you can always file a complaint >with the district attorney's office in the crook's home state, but even >then, you're at the mercy of some weird bureaucracy in another state. >for example, in my state (NM), the d.a. doesn't even investigate bounced >check claims anymore, their caseload is too great to bother. > >best, > >Chris > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16386 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 00:40:26 -0000 Received: from eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.24) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 00:40:26 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.31] (sdn-ar-001txaustP023.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.31]) by eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27400 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010240040.RAA27400@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:28:11 -0500 Subject: Re: some advice From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >this kind of stuff happens in Europe all of the time. is this the guy who >offers the autographed HNAS rarities? I've heard he's a good guy ... > everything by hnas is a rarity and often signed. ishould've totally interrogated the guy about it, considering the multiple mysteries surrounding that particular record. oh well, live and learn ~j > >--On Monday, October 23, 2000, 2:41 PM -0500 jason pierce > wrote: > >> >> o.k. i bought an hnas record from some guy in germany off of ebay(162.00$) >> i mailed the money order to him and got this reply: >> >>> Hi Jason, >>> >>> Klaus phoned me from Holland. Please be patient for a few weeks. His >>> mother is seriously ill and must be operated. He will be back as soon >>> as possible and will ship the record. >>> >>> Yours, Thees >> >> does this sound suspicious? what are the odds of this guys mother getting >> seriously ill coincidentally the same time as he gets the money order? and >> also >> that his mother is in a hospital in holland, this seems awfully convenient >> for some >> one if they wanted to delay shipping a record or not ship it at all or >> they never >> had it. i'm thinking they are attempting to delay me filing mail fraud >> charges >> until it is too late or something. i'm possibly being paranoid but i'm >> just going on the facts that i have. any suggestions on what i should do? >> >> i apologize for the lack of jandek content. >> >> ~j > > > > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21369 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 02:29:59 -0000 Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (209.89.75.17) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 02:29:59 -0000 Received: from ip1.ottawa12.dialup.canada.psi.net ([154.5.33.1]) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 13ntr9-0001MI-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:30:28 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:29:43 -0400 Subject: Re: some advice From: "Sam M." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39F4BDA8.1CE6B3CD@uswest.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Also: when buying an LP, be sure to contact the seller and get a personal guarantee as to the condition of the disc, in case you need ammo for a complaint/claim later. Based on my experience, about half the vinyl sellers on Ebay think nothing of selling dirty/scuffed/scratched records as "mint"! > From: Chris Woodward > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:37:28 -0600 > To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > Subject: re: some advice > > that sounds like it's probably for real, I mean, why bother replying at > all if they're scamming you, right? > > nevertheless - fellow Jandek fans - be wary of ebay.. be very cautious, > check into the person's sales history, consider their payment req's (if > they *require* you send a money order, that should put you on guard > right away), consider everything carefully before you bid. the thought > of ever pouring $162 into a **money order** and sending it to some > stranger overseas is about the most incomprehensible thing I can think > of at this moment.. you have absolutely no recourse if you get screwed.. > aside from complaining to ebay, but that won't get your money back. > > this is another problem with money orders - it's the same thing as cash. > at least if it were a check (or maybe if it was a money order and you > had a carbon copy), in the united states you can always file a complaint > with the district attorney's office in the crook's home state, but even > then, you're at the mercy of some weird bureaucracy in another state. > for example, in my state (NM), the d.a. doesn't even investigate bounced > check claims anymore, their caseload is too great to bother. > > best, > > Chris > > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29558 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 05:55:10 -0000 Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r14.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.68) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 05:55:10 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id l.54.ae6e723 (4340) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:54:35 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <54.ae6e723.27267e1a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:54:34 EDT Subject: Re: some advice To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I think Ebay is kinda going to hell...Just in the past 4-5 weeks I have been stiffed 3 times by buyers (twice for the same item). The penalties for screwing up just aren't strong enough for these jerks to care. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31403 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 06:35:19 -0000 Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.74) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 06:35:19 -0000 Received: from [63.29.89.108] (1Cust108.tnt1.steamboat-springs.co.da.uu.net [63.29.89.108]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15672 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:35:13 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 02:32:03 -0700 Subject: HNAS? From: David Caddell To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3055199523_45390_MIME_Part" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3055199523_45390_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "everything by hnas is a rarity and often signed." Sorry for my ignorance, but who's HNAS? Thankx, David --MS_Mac_OE_3055199523_45390_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit HNAS? "everything by hnas is a rarity and often signed."

Sorry for my ignorance, but who's HNAS?

Thankx,

David
--MS_Mac_OE_3055199523_45390_MIME_Part-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1506 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 07:34:09 -0000 Received: from web118.mail.yahoo.com (HELO web118.yahoomail.com) (205.180.60.99) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 07:34:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 23144 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2000 07:34:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20001024073409.23143.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.218.245.10] by web118.yahoomail.com; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:34:09 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:34:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Be Subject: Re: HNAS? To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- David Caddell wrote: > "everything by hnas is a rarity and often signed." > > Sorry for my ignorance, but who's HNAS? > HNAS is Christoph Heemann and Achim P.Li Khan. Check out http://brainwashed.com/hnas/ I will definitely check out the Mirror show in Austin next month. ===== http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15058 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 12:00:16 -0000 Received: from web3801.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.172) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 12:00:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20001024115950.3367.qmail@web3801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.243.134.73] by web3801.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:59:50 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:59:50 -0700 (PDT) From: PID Subject: Re: some advice To: NCR13@aol.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk What are you selling? --- NCR13@aol.com wrote: > I think Ebay is kinda going to hell...Just in the > past 4-5 weeks I have been > stiffed 3 times by buyers (twice for the same item). > The penalties for > screwing up just aren't strong enough for these > jerks to care. ===== ===== Presented by: The APE In the Moon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31585 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 17:04:05 -0000 Received: from law-f68.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.131) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 17:04:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:03:38 -0700 Received: from 204.187.69.4 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:03:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.187.69.4] From: "bad stone" To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: the real deal? Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:03:38 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2000 17:03:38.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF6750B0:01C03F6E] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk not sure if anyone has seen this yet, but you should: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=480008695 .t. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 836 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 17:27:54 -0000 Received: from mail.enteract.com (207.229.143.33) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 17:27:54 -0000 Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (bedmonds@shell-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.42]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA63340; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:27:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bedmonds@enteract.com) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:27:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Edmonds To: bad stone cc: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: the real deal? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, bad stone wrote: > not sure if anyone has seen this yet, but you should: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=480008695 > well, i'm sure it was signed by _someone_. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2866 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 18:01:47 -0000 Received: from web3801.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.172) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 18:01:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20001026180116.4271.qmail@web3801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.243.134.73] by web3801.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:01:16 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:01:16 -0700 (PDT) From: PID Subject: Re: the real deal? To: bad stone , jandek@cs.nwu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk COuld someone (seriously) tell me what Stellazine is? --- bad stone wrote: > not sure if anyone has seen this yet, but you > should: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=480008695 > > .t. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > ===== ===== Presented by: The APE In the Moon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3470 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 18:08:58 -0000 Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r15.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.69) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 18:08:58 -0000 Received: from Oogsab@aol.com by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id f.44.8622ed7 (4364) for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:08:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Oogsab@aol.com Message-ID: <44.8622ed7.2729cd10@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:08:16 EDT Subject: Re: the real deal? To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 114 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I think that Stellazine is some kind of anti-depressant... Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3743 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 18:12:34 -0000 Received: from adsl-63-194-217-205.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO kasley.com) (admin@63.194.217.205) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 18:12:34 -0000 Received: from [10.10.100.3] by kasley.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:16:06 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001026180116.4271.qmail@web3801.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:12:29 -0700 To: PID , bad stone , jandek@cs.nwu.edu From: Ian Kasley Subject: Re: the real deal? Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk At 11:01 AM -0700 10/26/00, PID wrote: >COuld someone (seriously) tell me what Stellazine is? Stelazine (the correct spelling) is a drug used to treat schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders... http://www.mayohealth.org/usp/html/202457.htm Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4915 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 18:27:37 -0000 Received: from f253.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.236.131) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 18:27:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:27:10 -0700 Received: from 209.91.128.137 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:27:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.137] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: the real deal? Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:27:10 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2000 18:27:10.0446 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A9220E0:01C03F7A] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >not sure if anyone has seen this yet, but you should: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=480008695 Well, if it's true then that's the fuckin coolest. It's kinda what I've been talking about: the people who must have been around in the early days probably have tons of shit like that, not knowing how much info it could actually contain for us folks in the future. Who knew this Sterling fella would be around over 20 years and put out some of the most brilliant art these ears have ever heard. What do you folks think of this? Well, I am usually skeptical to this sort of thing, but I am willing to believe. But, just not willing to believe at a starting price of 35 bucks hehe. Anyway, has anyone heard any word about the up-coming album? If you glance at your calenders there are only 2 months left before the new year; wouldn't that mean if it wasn't released it would be the first one in a long while not to be released in a following year? - am I mistaken, or isn't that how its been working for the longest while? Anyway, later. M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5352 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 18:32:03 -0000 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (128.135.12.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 18:32:03 -0000 Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9QIW3E10438 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:32:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (spleimer@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9QIW1F04843 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:32:01 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: spleimer owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:32:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Sam Leimer X-Sender: spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: the real deal? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Darin Mitchell wrote: > >not sure if anyone has seen this yet, but you should: > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=480008695 > > > Well, if it's true then that's the fuckin coolest. I know right?! Jandek, a severe hiccuper! who knew?! SAM Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6365 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 18:39:44 -0000 Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.41) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 18:39:44 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id f.bf.819c462 (15908) for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web46.aolmail.aol.com (web46.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.7]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.20) with ESMTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:39:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:39:13 EDT From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Jandeks "Autograph" Speculated To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk It is very likely someone signed the LP themselves to increase the value of the LP, since all of the information on the album is basic knowledge/opinion of anyone who listens to Jandek, or likens him to even. They may have even added a bit of personal humor with the Stellazine bit (do you think Jandek is a borderline psychotic?) Though, there is really no way to verify...Again, we are left to our mythologies. In reference to Irwins Book, if those letters are true, then Jandek/Sterling Smith was in fact, a very "open and inviting" character looking for support and recognition, but eventually just stopped all contact...Who knows.... Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6749 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 18:44:52 -0000 Received: from f196.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.196) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 18:44:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:44:25 -0700 Received: from 209.91.128.137 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:44:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.137] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Hear a Crooked Voice Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:44:25 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2000 18:44:25.0293 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3633FD0:01C03F7C] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I know it's about the "music" or "art" or whatever, but this is such intriguing stuff, no question. What the hell is going on down there in Houston Texas? How does the hand-writing on that record match up with the letters (hard to call most of em letters, but...) we've all received over the years? I am going to check mine later, just to see. Wanna hear something weird? 3 weeks ago this guy I know called Corwood and, 2 weeks after his call, he received a reponse. He said the guys voice sounded kinda weird, and there was pauses and grunts in his delivery. After he thought about it for a while, he was convinced that the person he was talking to was using a voice harmonizer to disguise his voice (maybe he's on this list! ha!). Now, I respect this fella a lot, and I know he was being honest, but I just couldn't believe it. But then again, you never know. Then I was thinking, why would a Corwood "representative" (if this was even the case, which it probably wasn't) use a voice harmonizer unless he wanted to disguise his voice for some reason? Unless this person had a recognizable voice (you know what I'm digging at) that he didn't want heard. But, then again, it is about the work. Yup, just the work. M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 7018 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 18:45:56 -0000 Received: from penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.134) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 18:45:56 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.119] (sdn-ar-001txaustP207.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.119]) by penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16799 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010261845.LAA16799@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:33:41 -0500 Subject: Re: the real deal? From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk yeah, anyone could've signed it. is that a trademark (tm) symbol next to the word "kafka"? someone should contact corwood and ask if that is real. though i am already skeptical seeing as that is his first album. the signing almost implies that he is already well known or something. seem much more ego oriented than his MO would suggest. since the seller says that he has owned that album since 1980? (meaning that "jandek" couldn't have signed it with knowledge of the "jandek" phenomena.) the wording of it seems "after the fact" almost. but not completely implausible. if it's real it must have been written to someone that had contact with him (chusid?). i can't see him signing it just for the sake of signing a record. or maybe he was just really excited to put out his first record and it went to his head. pure conjecture. real or not it's an interesting artifact. i can almost see something like this (fraud potential) becoming a big thing and becoming worth more than an authenticated artifact. like if you knew it was real it would be worth much less. ~j[sic] ---------- >From: Benjamin Edmonds >To: bad stone >Subject: Re: the real deal? >Date: Thu, Oct 26, 2000, 12:27 PM > > > >On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, bad stone wrote: > >> not sure if anyone has seen this yet, but you should: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=480008695 >> >well, i'm sure it was signed by _someone_. > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10401 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 19:24:30 -0000 Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.49) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 19:24:30 -0000 Received: from earthlink.net (pool0313.cvx39-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [216.244.37.58]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA13542 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4120001042619248870@earthlink.net> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 X-Priority: Reply-To: murderedman@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 5.02.8 (Windows) From: "Gregg Lopez" To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: RE: Jandeks "Autograph" Speculated Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:24:8 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk It's interesting that this record was originally found in NYC. I took Stelazine from 1990-92 when I lived there. It was an older, inexpensive generic drug that I took on top of the newer, more expensive anti-depressant Pamalor. Stelazine was more of a tranquilizer, unlike Prozac and it's ilk which are more "ups." It sounds like someone in New York, in their wry way, making a joke like: "It sounds like this guy is on Stelazine and he's had like one week of guitar lessons!" I used to get a lot of indie records through mail order; they were almost always accompanied by a note written on scrap paper, never on the cover. Also, many of my rare, independent records (not Jandek) were stolen from me by my junkie East Village roommates. They later turned up at Venus Records which is where I bought many of them (for a tremendous, no-doubt-drug-related discount) in the first place. This probably has nothing to do with anything. Sorry for clogging your mail. G.Luvox mp3.com/murderedman Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11838 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 19:37:46 -0000 Received: from penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.134) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 19:37:46 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.119] (sdn-ar-001txaustP207.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.119]) by penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10023 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010261937.MAA10023@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:25:32 -0500 Subject: Re: the real deal? From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk true, and i covered that (somewhat indirectly)...yet the "signing" suggest he already had his MO by then. so it's somewhat contradictory. or it could just be side effects of the stellazine? >or maybe he was just really excited to put out his first record and it >went to his head. pure conjecture. i offer this excited/side effects of stellazine(?) theory as the only reason i can't dismiss the "signing" completely. and the "tainted" quality of the chusid article can't be trusted as evidence of his early "openess". though it could actually be the cause for his reluctance to communicate with outsiders. (certainly understandable) would this "signing" be jandeks only reference to kafka? as i have not heard all of his records. the kafka reference seems more like an assumption of an observer possibly. ~j ---------- >Then again he was young back then and maybe his "MO" >wasn't yet formed...who knows what he thought he might become? > >===== >===== >Presented by: The APE In the Moon > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12292 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 19:42:08 -0000 Received: from penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.134) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 19:42:08 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.119] (sdn-ar-001txaustP207.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.119]) by penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16991 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010261942.MAA16991@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:29:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Jandeks "Autograph" Speculated From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk my point exactly.. i totally agree ~j ---------- >From: "Gregg Lopez" >To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu >Subject: RE: Jandeks "Autograph" Speculated >Date: Thu, Oct 26, 2000, 2:00 PM > > Stelazine was more of a tranquilizer, unlike Prozac and it's ilk which >are more "ups." It sounds like someone in New York, in their wry way, >making a joke like: "It sounds like this guy is on Stelazine and he's had >like one week of guitar lessons!" > >G.Luvox >mp3.com/murderedman > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14171 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 20:05:36 -0000 Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r09.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.9) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 20:05:36 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id f.ae.c554172 (15870) for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web25.aolmail.aol.com (web25.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.1]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.20) with ESMTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:04:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:04:53 EDT From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Corwood To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Out of boredom at work, I did a Corwood search on the AOL yellow pages. It came up as: 4326 Scotland Street Houston TX Under "non-classified establishments"..And the 333 Cummins comes up as "Place at Greenview" or something to that effect... Wonder if the house on Scotland street is the one on the albums?? Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16585 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 20:55:10 -0000 Received: from f300.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.236.178) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 20:55:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:54:43 -0700 Received: from 209.91.128.155 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:54:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.155] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Fwd: Put My Dream On This Planet Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:54:43 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2000 20:54:43.0473 (UTC) FILETIME=[F762D810:01C03F8E] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Thanks for the info. Good title. M. >From: Summersteps@aol.com >To: >Subject: Put My Dream On This Planet >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:42:07 EDT > > Hello, > According to communication I recieved from Corwood the new CD >is >going to be called "Put My Dream On This Planet" and it should be out by >the >end of the year. > > Best, > Eric _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 17800 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 21:15:54 -0000 Received: from f106.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.106) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 21:15:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:15:27 -0700 Received: from 209.91.128.155 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:15:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.155] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Jail House Rock Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:15:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2000 21:15:27.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCFC6470:01C03F91] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I've been noticing references to being in jail in a few of Jandek's songs. I wonder if its symbolic or really experienced. Perhaps, his pops spent some time in jail or something... "It's a cold and bitter tale/ About a man whose spent his time in jail" "Thanks for all the thoughts/ Came rolling in on feathered drums/ I've been in jail before/ Been lead out to... " and others.... I guess its not important. M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 18380 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 21:21:25 -0000 Received: from mail.enteract.com (207.229.143.33) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 21:21:25 -0000 Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (bedmonds@shell-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.42]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA90218 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:21:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bedmonds@enteract.com) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:21:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Edmonds cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Jail House Rock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Darin Mitchell wrote: > I've been noticing references to being in jail in a few of Jandek's songs. I > wonder if its symbolic or really experienced. Perhaps, his pops spent some > time in jail or something... > well, jail's a pretty big theme in blues songs, and if you buy that jandek's music is, at least in some ways, very "bluesy" then it makes sense that he'd use that trope in his songs too. seems kind of dangerous to assume that every theme/setting/whatever that _any_ songwriter uses comes directly from personal experience, much less jandek. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 25070 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 22:53:32 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 22:53:32 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.119] (sdn-ar-001txaustP207.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.119]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25194 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010262253.PAA25194@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:41:14 -0500 Subject: all will be revealed From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i have the photo that solves every single mystery known to man as well as the veiled cloud surrounding our beloved jandek. this photo is the key to the universe. when i discovered this photo and recognized it's implications i was bombarded by various death threats from groups that don't want this sort of information revealed. let's just say Carl Sagan was way off and leave it at that. see for yourself: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thespeckledmarmoset?ge&.alabel=alb1&.pindex=5&s tart=1 ~j[sic] Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29828 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 23:02:30 -0000 Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.33) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 23:02:30 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id y.41.294aa5b (4309); Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:01:21 -0400 (EDT) From: BlackBook78@aol.com Message-ID: <41.294aa5b.272a11c0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:01:20 EDT Subject: Re: Jail House Rock To: bedmonds@enteract.com CC: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 115 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/26/2000 2:22:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bedmonds@enteract.com writes: << seems kind of dangerous to assume that every theme/setting/whatever that _any_ songwriter uses comes directly from personal experience, much less jandek >> So you _don't_ think most of Jandeks songs are from personal experience? How many of the albums have you listened to? You can tell by how he sings certain subjects that something obviously affected him.....You may be right about the Blues thing, I mean, most of his hardcore blues songs cannot be taken seriously like "Message to the Clerk" (one of his best songs imo) but that doesnt cancel his entire output as just "songs"...... Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 30591 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 23:12:31 -0000 Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 23:12:31 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (adsl-141-158-69-49.pittpa.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.158.69.49]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA18109 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200010262253.PAA25194@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <200010262253.PAA25194@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:12:07 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: all will be revealed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Okay, Tantalus, any clues for getting into the members-only area? Or do you mean to turn us away, Studio-54-like, at the velvet-roped entryway? -Maurice At 5:41 PM -0500 10/26/00, jason pierce wrote: >i have the photo that solves every single mystery known to man... >see for yourself: > >http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thespeckledmarmoset?ge&.alabel=alb1&.pindex=5&s >tart=1 > >~j[sic] -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 32053 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 23:31:42 -0000 Received: from mail.enteract.com (207.229.143.33) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 23:31:42 -0000 Received: from shell-1.enteract.com (bedmonds@shell-1.enteract.com [207.229.143.40]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA31830 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:31:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bedmonds@enteract.com) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:31:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Edmonds cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Jail House Rock In-Reply-To: <41.294aa5b.272a11c0@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 BlackBook78@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/26/2000 2:22:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > bedmonds@enteract.com writes: > > << seems kind of dangerous > to assume that every theme/setting/whatever that _any_ songwriter uses > comes directly from personal experience, much less jandek >> > > So you _don't_ think most of Jandeks songs are from personal experience? read what i wrote. i said "not every." plus, how in the world can i, you, or anyone else know what jandek is talking about from his personal experience as opposed to what he makes up outright, or what he sings about that is inspired by personal experience in some ways but that he makes into a fictionalized song expressing those real experiences in a different setting or what have you? > How > many of the albums have you listened to? probably at least 15-20. i really don't remember the exact number. i dj at a station that has the complete set. > You can tell by how he sings > certain subjects that something obviously affected him.. well sure, i'm just saying that for jandek, as for _any_ songwriter, it doesn't make any sense to posit a 1:1 correlation between any particular subject matter in a song and a songwriter's direct personal experience. i mean, it's nothing new to see artists as using metaphors, symbols, etc. in their work, so i really don't see why you're taking issue with what i say. i think this is even more important for jandek, since, unlike most singers, there's simply no way to get an answer out of him as to what's "real" and what's not. i mean, you can speculate all you want but it's not like you'll ever know. ...You may be right > about the Blues thing, I mean, most of his hardcore blues songs cannot be > taken seriously like "Message to the Clerk" (one of his best songs imo) but > that doesnt cancel his entire output as just "songs"...... > that's not what i said. moreover, why is there anything wrong with "songs"? nobody's arguing that jandek isn't a creative person and i'm assuming most of the people on this list really like his music. you could just as easily argue that, if all jandek is doing is making up songs about stuff that actually happened to him that he's a _less_ creative person since he doesn't have any imagination. i'm not making that argument, but it's about as valid as saying that jandek's work is less interesting or valid if it isn't almost entirely based in his life experiences. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 651 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 23:53:09 -0000 Received: from penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.134) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 23:53:09 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.119] (sdn-ar-001txaustP207.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.119]) by penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22869 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010262353.QAA22869@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:40:50 -0500 Subject: Re: all will be revealed From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk this is a blatant attempt to thwart me by aforementioned people, by ruining my credibility. i apologize. this one should work. http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/coranj?e&.intl=us&.flabel=fld3&.from=c&.pindex=1& start=1&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/coranj%3fc%26.flabel=fld3 %26.intl=us ~j ---------- >From: Maurice Rickard >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: all will be revealed >Date: Thu, Oct 26, 2000, 6:12 PM > >Okay, Tantalus, any clues for getting into the members-only area? Or >do you mean to turn us away, Studio-54-like, at the velvet-roped >entryway? > >-Maurice > >At 5:41 PM -0500 10/26/00, jason pierce wrote: >>i have the photo that solves every single mystery known to man... >>see for yourself: >> Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 918 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 23:57:56 -0000 Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.1) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 23:57:56 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id q.cb.a9f6ea1 (4398); Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:57:21 -0400 (EDT) From: BlackBook78@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:57:20 EDT Subject: Re: all will be revealed To: maurice@mac.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 115 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/26/2000 4:13:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, maurice@mac.com writes: << Okay, Tantalus, any clues for getting into the members-only area? Or do you mean to turn us away, Studio-54-like, at the velvet-roped entryway? -Maurice >> I wouldn't suggest it.........I took the post as another piece of spam laced with propaganda and only proved it later when they let me in only because I came with Andy Warhol.. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6360 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2000 01:46:43 -0000 Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Oct 2000 01:46:43 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (adsl-141-158-69-49.pittpa.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.158.69.49]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA26589 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:46:11 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: all will be revealed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk At 7:57 PM -0400 10/26/00, BlackBook78@aol.com wrote: > >I wouldn't suggest it.........I took the post as another piece of spam laced >with propaganda and only proved it later when they let me in only because I >came with Andy Warhol.. 's all right--I waited a while, and snuck in behind Liza Minelli. But I think the spam was laced with something a little stronger.... -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15388 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2000 18:05:05 -0000 Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r19.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.73) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Oct 2000 18:05:05 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id f.5f.c272223 (15893); Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web51.aolmail.aol.com (web51.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.12]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.20) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:04:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:04:18 EDT From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Re: all will be revealed To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <5f.c272223.272b1da2@aol.com> Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk OK, so what is the picture supposed to be, Liza stole my brochure... Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16418 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2000 18:26:51 -0000 Received: from merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.156) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Oct 2000 18:26:51 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.39] (sdn-ar-001txaustP055.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.39]) by merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00125 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010271826.LAA00125@merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:14:34 -0500 Subject: Re: all will be revealed From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk it's "paranormal". it points out everything that is NOT in the photo. no marmosets there, jandek isn't in that photo, you name it, it's not there..... it's pure genius. i downloaded it from a paranormal phenomena website. by looking at the photo i can't remember why it's so "paranormal". so the photo itself is paranormal though nothing IN the photo is. nevertheless there is nothing in that photo yet all is revealed. ~j ---------- >From: BlackBook78@aol.com >To: , >Subject: Re: all will be revealed >Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2000, 1:04 PM > >OK, so what is the picture supposed to be, Liza stole my brochure... > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 26401 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2000 22:05:32 -0000 Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.34) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Oct 2000 22:05:32 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id l.49.2ae8485 (17234) for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:05:04 -0400 (EDT) From: BlackBook78@aol.com Message-ID: <49.2ae8485.272b560f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:05:03 EDT Subject: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 115 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/27/2000 1:51:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, weirdomusic@wxs.nl writes: << > >> Irwin, I think I'm in love with you > > >Aren't we all? > > Naturally. After all, he's got that certain Irwinesque je ne sais quoi... On the Jandek mailinglist they hate his guts. Marco >> On the "Outsider Mailing List", our dear friend Irwin posted a reply to the article commenting on the concert held for BJ Snowden, Wesley Willis, and others..... Jandek seems to be the least liked.....Irwin, in the article, called Jandeks piano piece a "banging on the keyboard free for all"....The clip is posted from a letter on that list, I thought it was funny.....Do we really hate Irwins guts, I mean all of us, or are some of you in love with him also? :) Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 28494 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2000 22:54:01 -0000 Received: from merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.156) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Oct 2000 22:54:01 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.39] (sdn-ar-001txaustP055.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.39]) by merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17961 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010272254.PAA17961@merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:41:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk chusid is an ASS with very narrow minded idea of music. i mean "banging on the keyboard free for all"? i imagine he would say the same about Cecil Taylor, well... late cecil taylor. of course i'm only comparing taylor and jandeks piano playing in regards that both are pure improve and theres a common diregard for tonal relationships. nevertheless chusid is an ass! i've never met him so i can't say if i hate him or not. i hate some of the things he's written. i don't know.. i probably hate him. i haven't really thought about that. ~j ---------- >From: BlackBook78@aol.com >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice >Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2000, 5:05 PM > >In a message dated 10/27/2000 1:51:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >weirdomusic@wxs.nl writes: > ><< > >> Irwin, I think I'm in love with you > > > > >Aren't we all? > > > > Naturally. After all, he's got that certain Irwinesque je ne sais > quoi... > > On the Jandek mailinglist they hate his guts. > > Marco > >> > > >On the "Outsider Mailing List", our dear friend Irwin posted a reply to the >article commenting on the concert held for BJ Snowden, Wesley Willis, and >others..... Jandek seems to be the least liked.....Irwin, in the article, >called Jandeks piano piece a "banging on the keyboard free for all"....The >clip is posted from a letter on that list, I thought it was funny.....Do we >really hate Irwins guts, I mean all of us, or are some of you in love with >him also? :) > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 30321 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2000 23:35:50 -0000 Received: from merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.156) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Oct 2000 23:35:50 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.39] (sdn-ar-001txaustP055.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.39]) by merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27148 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010272335.QAA27148@merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:23:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk actually the whole chusid thing brings up a larger issue. i get the impression, and i've seen this more that 8 times that there's a tendancy for certain critic types like chusid to single out certain types of musicians for ridicule. i have seen this particular attitude displayed in regards to folks like nicks cave and drake, smog, jandek of course, obviously cecil taylor (that's not quite the same though), morissey (actually probably deservedly so, as i tend to ridicule morrisey myself! forget i mentioned him...), probably leonard cohen and scott walker, syd barrett? etc etc......while at the same time applauding much more "pop" conscious derivative types. i may go into this more if anyones interested in it, anyway that's the impression i get..........come to think of it i could care less. over all it's probably actually a good thing. ~j ---------- >From: BlackBook78@aol.com >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice >Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2000, 5:05 PM > >In a message dated 10/27/2000 1:51:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >weirdomusic@wxs.nl writes: > ><< > >> Irwin, I think I'm in love with you > > > > >Aren't we all? > > > > Naturally. After all, he's got that certain Irwinesque je ne sais > quoi... > > On the Jandek mailinglist they hate his guts. > > Marco > >> > > >On the "Outsider Mailing List", our dear friend Irwin posted a reply to the >article commenting on the concert held for BJ Snowden, Wesley Willis, and >others..... Jandek seems to be the least liked.....Irwin, in the article, >called Jandeks piano piece a "banging on the keyboard free for all"....The >clip is posted from a letter on that list, I thought it was funny.....Do we >really hate Irwins guts, I mean all of us, or are some of you in love with >him also? :) > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 30843 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2000 23:48:56 -0000 Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 27 Oct 2000 23:48:56 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (adsl-141-158-69-49.pittpa.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.158.69.49]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA11994 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200010272335.QAA27148@merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <200010272335.QAA27148@merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:48:40 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk At 6:23 PM -0500 10/27/00, jason pierce wrote: >there's a tendancy for certain critic types like chusid to single >out certain types of musicians for ridicule. Sure. This kind of thing puts me in mind of my grad school experiences. One of the best writers I studied with, when confronted with the first responses of the class to the first workshopped story (and not-yet--gotten-to-story) of the semester, said, "Y'all are much better critics than y'are writers." Same seems true of music, of course. Whatever Chusid's carrying as baggage, it's his problem. The rest of us, with our individual responses to music in general and Jandek in particular, have responses just as authentic and worthy of comment as he does. That said, what are your responses to Jandek songs? What are your favorites? -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 32682 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2000 00:37:20 -0000 Received: from web3805.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.176) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Oct 2000 00:37:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20001028003654.17982.qmail@web3805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.67.2.106] by web3805.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:36:54 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: PID Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice To: BlackBook78@aol.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I have to say i was not all that impressed with Mr. Chusid's book or the cd for that matter - jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj that's my niece what made those j's excuse me - Why did he even include Jandek if he feels so strongly that his music sucks? --- BlackBook78@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/27/2000 1:51:40 PM Pacific > Daylight Time, > weirdomusic@wxs.nl writes: > > << > >> Irwin, I think I'm in love with you > > > > >Aren't we all? > > > > Naturally. After all, he's got that certain > Irwinesque je ne sais > quoi... > > On the Jandek mailinglist they hate his guts. > > Marco > >> > > > On the "Outsider Mailing List", our dear friend > Irwin posted a reply to the > article commenting on the concert held for BJ > Snowden, Wesley Willis, and > others..... Jandek seems to be the least > liked.....Irwin, in the article, > called Jandeks piano piece a "banging on the > keyboard free for all"....The > clip is posted from a letter on that list, I thought > it was funny.....Do we > really hate Irwins guts, I mean all of us, or are > some of you in love with > him also? :) ===== ===== Presented by: The APE In the Moon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1510 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2000 01:06:10 -0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.37) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Oct 2000 01:06:10 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id f.26.c897ca4 (8391); Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:05:38 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <26.c897ca4.272b8062@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:05:38 EDT Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice To: onyxmirr@earthlink.net CC: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I don't see how the ridicule Jandek and, say, Scott Walker would receive can be compared...Does Scott Walker even get ridiculed? In a message dated 10/27/00 7:36:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, onyxmirr@earthlink.net writes: > there's a tendancy for certain critic types like chusid to single > out certain types of musicians for ridicule. i have seen this particular > attitude displayed in regards to folks like nicks cave and drake, > smog, jandek of course, obviously cecil taylor (that's not quite the same > though), morissey (actually probably deservedly so, as i tend to ridicule > morrisey myself! forget i mentioned him...), probably leonard cohen and > scott walker, > syd barrett? etc etc......while at the same time applauding much more > "pop" conscious derivative types. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2424 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2000 01:27:24 -0000 Received: from fireball.blast.net (207.162.131.33) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Oct 2000 01:27:24 -0000 Received: from fireball (clinton-nj.ts18.dialup008.blast.net [207.162.152.70]) by fireball.blast.net (8.9.3/8.10.2) with SMTP id VAA57813; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00ae01c0407e$a83b7620$6398a2cf@blast.net> From: "Jeff Grimshaw" To: "PID" , , Cc: "Outsider Music" References: <20001028003654.17982.qmail@web3805.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:30:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk As somebody who's on the record as a Jandek fan, I'd like to point out that I never heard (or for that matter, heard of) Jandek until I got Key of Z. Despite all the (comic, I think) invective directed at Jandek in the book, the descriptions of the music ("cave-dweller primitivism" "spooky, slightly demented stream of consciousness rambling," etc) made me think it might be right up my alley. Ditto the quoted lyrics. And especially ditto the 5 minute-plus song on the CD (the longest cut included by a considerable margin, not incidentally). If an unfavorable review gives you enough data to think you'd probably like the thing getting the bad review-- that is, if he plays fair enough to make you think you'd disagree with his conclusion-- isn't that about as much as you can legitimately ask? Isn't it to Irwin's credit that Wesley Willis and Jandek are on board DESPITE the fact that he doesn't much like their music? The fact is, MOST people don't like Jandek's stuff. I (we all) like a lot of stuff MOST people don't like. And that's okay; I know some perfectly nice people who dismiss entire GENRES as crap (country music is for retards, baroque is strictly for snobs-- I'm sure everybody knows the drill). Their loss, is how I look at it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "PID" To: ; Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice > I have to say i was not all that impressed with Mr. > Chusid's book or the cd for that matter - > jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj that's my niece what made those j's > excuse me - Why did he even include Jandek if he feels > so strongly that his music sucks? > > > --- BlackBook78@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/27/2000 1:51:40 PM Pacific > > Daylight Time, > > weirdomusic@wxs.nl writes: > > > > << > >> Irwin, I think I'm in love with you > > > > > > >Aren't we all? > > > > > > Naturally. After all, he's got that certain > > Irwinesque je ne sais > > quoi... > > > > On the Jandek mailinglist they hate his guts. > > > > Marco > > >> > > > > > > On the "Outsider Mailing List", our dear friend > > Irwin posted a reply to the > > article commenting on the concert held for BJ > > Snowden, Wesley Willis, and > > others..... Jandek seems to be the least > > liked.....Irwin, in the article, > > called Jandeks piano piece a "banging on the > > keyboard free for all"....The > > clip is posted from a letter on that list, I thought > > it was funny.....Do we > > really hate Irwins guts, I mean all of us, or are > > some of you in love with > > him also? :) > > > ===== > ===== > Presented by: The APE In the Moon > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2673 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2000 01:31:06 -0000 Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r17.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.71) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Oct 2000 01:31:06 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id r.27.cb937cc (5774); Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:30:15 -0400 (EDT) From: BlackBook78@aol.com Message-ID: <27.cb937cc.272b8627@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:30:15 EDT Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice To: newdeliverer@yahoo.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 115 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/27/2000 5:37:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, newdeliverer@yahoo.com writes: << Why did he even include Jandek if he feels so strongly that his music sucks? >> Most likely because he thinks he is the "outsider music guru", and though Jandek remains a mystery to most people, he received numerous letters from the person behind the music, therefore, the case is closed, according to the book....From the first few sentence you know that Irwin loathes the music, and the entire chapter could not run on speculation, he needed a figure, or some actual clues (i.e. letters, phone calls) Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9463 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2000 05:00:09 -0000 Received: from merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.156) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Oct 2000 05:00:09 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.167] (sdn-ar-002txaustP079.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.167]) by merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05013 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010280500.WAA05013@merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:47:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i have no idea, since i was too young to remember when he would have been ridiculed. same for cohen except i remember reading somewhere he was thoroughly attacked by critics in regards to "death of a ladies man". and from what i can tell basically just for not being bob dylan and not having some sort of universal societal message. i kind of assumed scott walker would be the type to get it from chusid types. thats why i said "probably". i apologize..... ~j ---------- > >I don't see how the ridicule Jandek and, say, Scott Walker would receive can >be compared...Does Scott Walker even get ridiculed? > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11935 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2000 06:00:37 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (HELO pimout3-int.prodigy.net) (207.115.63.102) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Oct 2000 06:00:37 -0000 Received: from 1hj73 (nas-216-200.nyc-t.navipath.net [64.20.216.200]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e9S60Xj147926; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:00:34 -0400 From: "b&p" To: "jason pierce" , Subject: RE: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:01:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <200010280500.WAA05013@merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk A memory check from an "old man" on the list--if it sounded wierd, it was ridiculed. Bob Dylan was "John Hammond's folly" at Columbia Records. His success enabled Columbia to get brave enough to later release the likes of Skip Spence and Andy Pratt--outsiders on inside labels. Patti Smith's debut album arrived at only the most progressive of radio stations with a letter from Clive Davis himself making the case for her music. (I've still got the album--wish I still had the letter.) Maybe one of the odd folks we love could be the "next big thing." (Heck, even the Beatles has 45's released int he US in '62 and '63 which sank like stones for being too wierd--and you know what a '63 Beatles "From Me To You" on VJ is worth these days!) BTW, if I remember in the context of the times, Leonard Cohen's voice was "forgiven" because of the power of his lyrics and melodies; he was already a respected novelist, and his songs had been covered and established by mainstream artists like Judy Collins and Tom Rush. Interesting comment about Scott Walker, who made the "reverse" trip--from insider to outsider.... Paul - i have no idea, since i was too young to remember when he would have been ridiculed. same for cohen except i remember reading somewhere he was thoroughly attacked by critics in regards to "death of a ladies man". and from what i can tell basically just for not being bob dylan and not having some sort of universal societal message. i kind of assumed scott walker would be the type to get it from chusid types. thats why i said "probably". i apologize..... ~j ---------- > >I don't see how the ridicule Jandek and, say, Scott Walker would receive can >be compared...Does Scott Walker even get ridiculed? > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 18219 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2000 08:52:47 -0000 Received: from f199.law3.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.241.199) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Oct 2000 08:52:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 01:52:21 -0700 Received: from 62.54.65.5 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 08:52:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.54.65.5] From: "Colin Meeder" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 08:52:21 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2000 08:52:21.0206 (UTC) FILETIME=[62353F60:01C040BC] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I don't hate Irwin Chusid. His article that's crawled into so many of y'all's panties made me seek out Jandek in the first place. SO much of the reaction to him that I've read about on this list seems a bit simplistic. Many people I respect hate music I love and vice versa. And Chusid is not blind about his reaction to Jandek -- I think he's fascinated, and continues to expose himself to it, despite (or because) of his reactions to it. And Jesus Christ, people, anybody whose knowledge of Jazz goes deeper than the current issue of the Wire knows that the Cecil Taylor/Jandek comparisons are laughable at best, insulting at worst. And Irwin plays both artists on the radio. C. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1763 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2000 16:01:51 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Oct 2000 16:01:51 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.243] (sdn-ar-002txaustP227.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.243]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29218 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 09:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010281601.JAA29218@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 10:49:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk oh man look i said i was only comparing the piano playing because both are pure improv and minimal concern for tonal relationships. and that's the only thing. i don't have anything else to compare it too not alot of dissonant piano improvisers running around. and just who would that be insulting too??? conservatory jazz snobs? for the record i wasn't even evaluating cecil taylor as a jazz guy anyway but just as an improviser. just for kicks though and to insult anyone who needs to be insulted. and if this doesn't insult you enough next i will compare taylor and LIBERACE: I WILL COMPARE JANDEK AND CECIL TAYLOR: i'll admit cecil taylor is quite abit more of a virtuoso than jandek is. but to jandeks' credit he probably doesn't play piano nowhere near as much as cecil taylor. on the one hand cecil taylor grew up with a classical music back ground and has had quite extensive conservatory classical and jazz SCHOOLIN'. whereas jandek HAS NO TRAINING or minimal at best. IS ONE METHOD BETTER THAN THE OTHER? NOT REALLY though having no or minimal training is MUCH CHEAPER. one could say (and i bet derek bailey would say this) that A HIGH DEGREE OF TRAINING GETS IN THE WAY AND NEEDS TO BE SUBVERTED TO BE A GREAT IMPROVISER. arguably taylor has spent much of his career trying to play the way jandek plays now. if you look at his progression he sounds much more like jandek now than when he started out. jandeks playing is purely idiomatic whereas taylors music is based on panidiomatic dialogues. taylor is black, jandek is white, taylor is homosexual , jandek is straight (i'm assuming. re nancy years, he could be bi though) ~j --------- > >And Jesus Christ, people, anybody whose knowledge of Jazz goes deeper than >the current issue of the Wire knows that the Cecil Taylor/Jandek comparisons >are laughable at best, insulting at worst. > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3195 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2000 16:42:01 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Oct 2000 16:42:01 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.243] (sdn-ar-002txaustP227.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.243]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04832 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 09:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010281642.JAA04832@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 11:29:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >and just who would that be insulting too??? conservatory jazz snobs? i amend this statement to conservatory jazz elitist. which is ironic when the majority of jazz's origional appeal was because it was void of this conservatory elitism. and this is in no way a knock on cecil taylor. as i consider him to be a great improviser. i've read nothing written by him that would suggest he would be insulted by having jandek compared to him as an improviser. i've read most of the things he's written and quite a good number of his interviews. he does say "miles davis was a nasty motherfucker" though. ~j ---------- >> >>And Jesus Christ, people, anybody whose knowledge of Jazz goes deeper than >>the current issue of the Wire knows that the Cecil Taylor/Jandek comparisons >>are laughable at best, insulting at worst. >> > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5056 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2000 17:25:13 -0000 Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r15.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.69) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Oct 2000 17:25:13 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id l.e8.bbfed01 (4401) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:24:39 -0400 (EDT) From: BlackBook78@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:24:39 EDT Subject: The Autographed LP To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 115 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Just to let anyone know that may be thinking of owning a very interesting piece of Jandek history, the signed "Ready for the House" LP is a fraud.........Of course most of us already beleive that to be true, but I contacted Corwood and was told by Mr. Smith himself that he would never/had never done such a thing. ---------------- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10347 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2000 19:57:16 -0000 Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r12.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.66) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Oct 2000 19:57:16 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id f.dd.b7076d4 (4568); Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:56:36 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:56:36 EDT Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice To: onyxmirr@earthlink.net CC: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I'm not saying that there aren't any grounds for criticism as far as Scott Walker is concerned, he just seems to fall into the Pet Sounds/"You don't know what great pop music is until you've heard this" category among music journalists. In a message dated 10/28/00 1:00:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, onyxmirr@earthlink.net writes: > societal message. i kind of assumed scott walker > would be the type to get it from chusid types. thats why i said "probably". > i apologize..... Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14482 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2000 21:58:50 -0000 Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r05.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.5) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Oct 2000 21:58:50 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id l.dd.b71d3d3 (7360) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 17:58:18 -0400 (EDT) From: BlackBook78@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 17:58:17 EDT Subject: Scott Walker, "Whats The Deal?" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 115 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >I don't see how the ridicule Jandek and, say, Scott Walker would receive can >be compared...Does Scott Walker even get ridiculed? Speaking of Scott Walker, I bought "Tilt" a few months ago (my first Walker experience) and was wondering what everyones thoughts were concerning this album.....It is quite interesting, but it just doesn't move me...I suppose I was expecting something different, I dont know............ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15712 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2000 22:32:02 -0000 Received: from harumscarum.mr.itd.umich.edu (141.211.125.17) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Oct 2000 22:32:02 -0000 Received: from pm681-41.dialip.mich.net (pm681-41.dialip.mich.net [207.73.72.99]) by harumscarum.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.3s) with ESMTP id SAA02541; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:41:40 -0400 From: Greg Baise To: BlackBook78@aol.com cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: The Autographed LP Message-ID: <2095891804.972758500@pm681-41.dialip.mich.net> In-Reply-To: Originator-Info: login-id=gjbaise; server=g.imap.itd.umich.edu X-Mailer: Mulberry (Win32) [1.4.3, s/n S-399020] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk well? aren't you going to transcribe the conversation? or maybe post it as an mp3? --On Saturday, October 28, 2000, 1:24 PM +0000 BlackBook78@aol.com wrote: > I > contacted Corwood and was told by Mr. Smith himself that he would > never/had never done such a thing. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16187 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2000 22:39:40 -0000 Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r03.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.3) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 Oct 2000 22:39:40 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id a.bc.c16eeb4 (7360); Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:39:08 -0400 (EDT) From: BlackBook78@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:39:08 EDT Subject: Re: The Autographed LP To: gjbaise@umich.edu CC: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 115 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/28/2000 3:32:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gjbaise@umich.edu writes: << well? aren't you going to transcribe the conversation? or maybe post it as an mp3? >> No. That is all that I'd like to post pertaining to the current topic. I certainly would never post an MP3 of the conversation because I respect his privacy, that wouldn't be fair to him, and I'm not a stalker. I called for a reason, not to simply record a "Hello? Hello??" which is rude, IMO.... Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 20968 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2000 00:38:48 -0000 Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (209.89.75.17) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 29 Oct 2000 00:38:48 -0000 Received: from ip86.ottawa10.dialup.canada.psi.net ([154.5.31.86]) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 13pgVO-0004oa-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:39:22 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:38:37 -0400 Subject: Re: The Autographed LP From: "Sam M." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Ah, but that could be disinformation to help maintain the mystery! When it comes to confirmation of actual contact on the part of the J-man, one can never be sure of the veracity of that cagey Corwood lot... > From: BlackBook78@aol.com > Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:24:39 EDT > To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > Subject: The Autographed LP > > Just to let anyone know that may be thinking of owning a very interesting > piece of Jandek history, the signed "Ready for the House" LP is a > fraud.........Of course most of us already beleive that to be true, but I > contacted Corwood and was told by Mr. Smith himself that he would never/had > never done such a thing. > > ---------------- > > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24258 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2000 02:10:10 -0000 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.35) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 29 Oct 2000 02:10:10 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id 7.6d.b2ea53f (4205); Sat, 28 Oct 2000 22:09:29 -0400 (EDT) From: BlackBook78@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.b2ea53f.272ce0d9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 22:09:29 EDT Subject: Re: The Autographed LP To: smathesn@istar.ca, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 115 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/28/2000 5:39:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, smathesn@istar.ca writes: << Ah, but that could be disinformation to help maintain the mystery! When it comes to confirmation of actual contact on the part of the J-man, one can never be sure of the veracity of that cagey Corwood lot... >> Beleive what you want.....From speaking with Sterling for more than five minutes, my personal belief is that it is not valid.......He didn't even know what Stellazine was, and when I explained it, he chuckled heartily........Are you the seller of the LP? Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27469 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2000 19:32:02 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 29 Oct 2000 19:32:02 -0000 Received: from [168.191.184.84] (sdn-ar-002txaustP282.dialsprint.net [168.191.184.84]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26656 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:32:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200010291932.LAA26656@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:18:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > Whatever Chusid's carrying as baggage, it's his problem. >The rest of us, with our individual responses to music in general and >Jandek in particular, have responses just as authentic and worthy of >comment as he does. > >That said, what are your responses to Jandek songs? What are your favorites? i haven't listened to all of jandeks records yet but my favorite song so far is "all in an apple orchard". as that (living in a moon...) and "staring at the cellophane", right now, my favorite albums of his. i generally relate quite a bit relate to jandek as may years ago i had an idea for playing that was similiar to the jandek thing. except i was going to play out, pretend to be a blind heroin addict and play very "dark" dissonant blues thing (i was listening to caves "the firstborn is dead...alot). with alot of foot stomping! (foot stomping is a huge lost art in my book). because i was reading alot about john lee hooker and how he used to "rig" things up to amplify his foot stomping when he recorded. for example he would take a piece of board and cover a toilet bowl and put a mike in the bowl and stomp on that. only thing that prevented me from doing this was that i lived in austin and came to equate any blues thing with idiots. (you know stevie ray vaughn and all that crap). plus i didn't want it to be considered a novelty "act". so alot of the problems i had with doing that jandek seemed to solve by being a recluse. so that aspect of him to me is somewhat admirable seeing as that takes quite a bit of strength. i don't know if this is well known or not but most women tend not to go for reclusive types (from experience). ~j[sic] Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27928 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2000 19:38:40 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 29 Oct 2000 19:38:40 -0000 Received: from [168.191.184.84] (sdn-ar-002txaustP282.dialsprint.net [168.191.184.84]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26383 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:38:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200010291938.LAA26383@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:25:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk pretend is not the right word, i amend to "personify" ~j ---------- >except i was >>going to play out, pretend to be a blind heroin addict and play >>very "dark" dissonant blues thing (i was listening to caves "the firstborn >>is > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 28485 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2000 19:46:31 -0000 Received: from gigi.excite.com (199.172.152.110) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 29 Oct 2000 19:46:31 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001029194631.WWSH9467.gigi.excite.com@doby.excite.com> for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:46:31 -0800 Message-ID: <16865380.972848791152.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:46:31 -0800 (PST) From: Ronald Karlin To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 204.120.48.3 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:18:54 -0500, jason pierce wrote: > > Whatever Chusid's carrying as baggage, it's his problem. > >The rest of us, with our individual responses to music in general and > >Jandek in particular, have responses just as authentic and worthy of > >comment as he does. > > > >That said, what are your responses to Jandek songs? What are your favorites? > > i haven't listened to all of jandeks records yet but my favorite song > so far is "all in an apple orchard". as that (living in a moon...) and > "staring at the cellophane", right now, my favorite albums of his. I haven't heard all of the albums either but right now I'd say my fave song is a toss-up between "Angel" (from "One foot in the North") and "I Knew You Would Leave" (from "Six and Six"). Also, some of his more bizarre religious songs like "Moon Dance" and "Bring it in a Manger" sound like nothing anyone else has ever done. so alot of the > problems i had with doing that jandek seemed to solve by being a recluse. > so that aspect of him to me is somewhat admirable seeing as > that takes quite a bit of strength. i don't know if this is well known > or not but most women tend not to go for reclusive types (from experience). Couldn't agree with you more. Being seen by women as being "weird" or mysterious is the kiss of death. Is there not anything between conformity and celibacy? ron the dink _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 30167 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2000 20:26:22 -0000 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.85) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 29 Oct 2000 20:26:22 -0000 Received: from [63.29.89.58] (1Cust58.tnt1.steamboat-springs.co.da.uu.net [63.29.89.58]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17486 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:26:20 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:25:39 -0700 Subject: Oh, now wait a minute.... From: David Caddell To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Fellas, fellas, please....... "i don't know if this is well known > or not but most women tend not to go for reclusive types (from experience)." "Couldn't agree with you more. Being seen by women as being "weird" or mysterious is the kiss of death. Is there not anything between conformity and celibacy? ron the dink" Guys, don't you know that it is exactly the weird dudes who corral the love? I mean, normal gents are boring idiotic jocks, and ladies love being fascinated and entertained by stuff they don't understand. You just have to have one thing that jocks do have - balls (that is, they play with them a lot). If you portray yourself as holding a myriad of wondrous secrets, you got the normal-lookin', catalog-shoppin', "Men's Health"-readin', Hootie-and-the-suckfish-listenin', SUV-drivin', Momma's-boy beat - unless, of course, you opt to beat yourself (double entendre). I invite our Jandekian sisters to reply in support or rebuff. Got get 'em wack jobs! Sincerely, David "Loveline" Caddell Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 32524 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2000 21:21:36 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 29 Oct 2000 21:21:36 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.142] (sdn-ar-002txaustP030.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.142]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07974 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:21:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200010292121.NAA07974@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:08:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Oh, now wait a minute.... From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk my origional statement wasn't meant as an "indictment" of women in general by any means. i was refering to specific examples from experience but didn't want to bore anyone with the gory details. and iwasn't refering to "weird" but to being "reclusive". it's a proven fact on average, chicks dig more sociable fellows regardless of weirdness or conformity. ofcourse there's a double meaning to that..... this is a generalisation yet as true as o generalization can be: women tend to equate sociability with being good at romantic relationships. yeah i know thats just like equating being good with relationships with being good at relationships. so if by "balls" you mean "being more sociable" then i would agree. hehe let me rate this in regards to attraction: <= [goofy] 1. "wierd" yet sociable guys [women getting it both ways] 2. average yet sociable guys [gets by] 3. wierd reclusive types [slim pickins was very underrated as an actor! best not screw it up!] 4. average reclusive types* [no chance by any stretch, future suicide is immenent] *if the average reclusive guy has alot of money he can manage to "hook" someone* and thus prevent an almost certain demise. * pathological socially "stiff" supermodels, exotic dancers, any woman affiliated with the "sex industry" etc. etc. ~j[sic] ---------- > >Guys, don't you know that it is exactly the weird dudes who corral the love? >I mean, normal gents are boring idiotic jocks, and ladies love being >fascinated and entertained by stuff they don't understand. You just have to >have one thing that jocks do have - balls (that is, they play with them a >lot). If you portray yourself as holding a myriad of wondrous secrets, you >got the normal-lookin', catalog-shoppin', "Men's Health"-readin', >Hootie-and-the-suckfish-listenin', SUV-drivin', Momma's-boy beat - unless, >of course, you opt to beat yourself (double entendre). I invite our >Jandekian sisters to reply in support or rebuff. > >Got get 'em wack jobs! > >Sincerely, >David "Loveline" Caddell > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 615 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2000 21:34:28 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 29 Oct 2000 21:34:28 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.142] (sdn-ar-002txaustP030.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.142]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02014 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:34:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200010292134.NAA02014@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:21:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Oh, now wait a minute.... From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk we "3"s tend to think of "2"s as scum...... i would also like to extend my apologies to anyone that read my previous post. ~j ---------- > >hehe let me rate this in regards to attraction: <= [goofy] > >1. "wierd" yet sociable guys [women getting it both ways] >2. average yet sociable guys [gets by] >3. wierd reclusive types [slim pickins was very underrated as an actor! best >not > screw it up!] >4. average reclusive types* [no chance by any stretch, future suicide is >immenent] > >*if the average reclusive guy has alot of money he can manage to "hook" >someone* > and thus prevent an almost certain demise. >* pathological socially "stiff" supermodels, exotic dancers, any woman >affiliated >with the "sex industry" etc. etc. > >> >> > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1389 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2000 21:52:47 -0000 Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r03.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.3) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 29 Oct 2000 21:52:47 -0000 Received: from Cassierosek@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id l.ac.c4cf1e0 (16634) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:52:43 -0500 (EST) From: Cassierosek@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:52:41 EST Subject: Jandek. . .an aphrodisiac? To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 126 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I certainly cannot speak for other ladies, but I find Jandek rather sexy. Many of Jandek's bellows sometimes translate to me as having hints of being sexually charged. I even find it kind of intriguing to be listening to Jandek's albums while engaging in "certain activities." The reclusive aspect just adds to it all. On the other hand, I also find Woody Allen to be pretty hot. So, I guess my sexual preferences are not really an accurate survey. Cassie Rose Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1946 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2000 22:00:36 -0000 Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r09.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.9) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 29 Oct 2000 22:00:36 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id l.28.c8a3570 (4005) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:00:06 -0500 (EST) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <28.c8a3570.272df7e6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:00:06 EST Subject: Re: Oh, now wait a minute.... To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Well if Jad Fair doesn't drive the ladies completely wild, I don't know who does... > > > > >Guys, don't you know that it is exactly the weird dudes who corral the love? > > >I mean, normal gents are boring idiotic jocks, and ladies love being > >fascinated and entertained by stuff they don't understand. You just have to > >have one thing that jocks do have - balls (that is, they play with them a > >lot). If you portray yourself as holding a myriad of wondrous secrets, you > >got the normal-lookin', catalog-shoppin', "Men's Health"-readin', > >Hootie-and-the-suckfish-listenin', SUV-drivin', Momma's-boy beat - unless, > >of course, you opt to beat yourself (double entendre). I invite our > >Jandekian sisters to reply in support or rebuff. > > > >Got get 'em wack jobs! > > > >Sincerely, > >David "Loveline" Caddell > > > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2524 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2000 22:09:52 -0000 Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r13.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.67) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 29 Oct 2000 22:09:52 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id o.41.2aed6d1 (17386); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:09:00 -0500 (EST) From: BlackBook78@aol.com Message-ID: <41.2aed6d1.272df9fb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:08:59 EST Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice To: eckankore@excite.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/29/2000 11:47:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, eckankore@excite.com writes: > I haven't heard all of the albums either but right now I'd say my fave song > is a toss-up between "Angel" (from "One foot in the North") and "I Knew You > Would Leave" (from "Six and Six"). Also, some of his more bizarre religious > songs like "Moon Dance" and "Bring it in a Manger" sound like nothing anyone > else has ever done. > > Then the entirety of Modern Dances would be up your alley, the Jandek "Gospel Album", especially "Nothing Is Better Than God"..... (yes ron, Im still working the tapes, sorry :) m Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3497 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2000 22:28:23 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 29 Oct 2000 22:28:23 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.142] (sdn-ar-002txaustP030.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.142]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15868 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:28:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200010292228.OAA15868@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:15:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Jandek. . .an aphrodisiac? From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk yeah woody would definately be a "1" i suspect many women to engage in congress with "2"s while listening to records made by "3"s. not suspecting miss Rose does that but suspecting it is done in general. hence some bitterness on the part of 3s? <=[silly yet also serious, more of a tease actually.....]<=[statement of fact]<=[very silly]<=[stop it!]<=[don't tell me what to do]<=[you and what army?]<=[multiple personality disorder]<=[silly]<=[look, i said cut it out!]<=[don't make me come over there].........this ongoing stream of observations is hereby interupted do to technical difficulties please stand by...... ~j ---------- >From: Cassierosek@aol.com >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Jandek. . .an aphrodisiac? >Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000, 4:52 PM > > I certainly cannot speak for other ladies, but I find Jandek rather >sexy. Many of Jandek's bellows sometimes translate to me as having hints of >being sexually charged. I even find it kind of intriguing to be listening to >Jandek's albums while engaging in "certain activities." The reclusive aspect > just adds to it all. On the other hand, I also find Woody Allen to be >pretty hot. So, I guess my sexual preferences are not really an accurate >survey. > > > Cassie Rose > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8891 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2000 00:51:45 -0000 Received: from emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.31) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 30 Oct 2000 00:51:45 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.216] (sdn-ar-002txaustP176.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.216]) by emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05194 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:51:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200010300051.QAA05194@emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:38:32 -0500 Subject: ............ From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i want to take time to apologize for my previous post. formerly ~j Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10368 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2000 01:18:08 -0000 Received: from web3802.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.173) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 30 Oct 2000 01:18:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20001030011736.19918.qmail@web3802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.111.17.99] by web3802.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:17:36 PST Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:17:36 -0800 (PST) From: PID Subject: Re: [outsidermusic] Chusid replies to the Village Voice To: jason pierce , jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Chusid's problem seems to be he cannot distinguish "outsider musician" from "novelty act" - Jandek is genuine OUTSIDER music, likewise Wesley Willis and early 1/2 Japanese and uh SUCKDOG and so on - but a lot of the people and music he covers are just cornball kitsch meisters... ===== ===== Presented by: The APE In the Moon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15499 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2000 02:55:33 -0000 Received: from f115.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.115) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Oct 2000 02:55:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:55:06 -0800 Received: from 209.91.128.111 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:55:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.111] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Bump the Mic Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:55:06 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2000 02:55:06.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9605D40:01C042E5] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Listening to my CD version of Six and Six I hear no mic bump on Point Judith. Am i missing it or something? Is it still on there? Perhaps it was removed like the song in the background on one of the other songs when transfered from record to CD. Am I deaf? Is it real suttle? Whatever. M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16925 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2000 03:22:30 -0000 Received: from web9706.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.129.241) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Oct 2000 03:22:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20001031032203.80223.qmail@web9706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.29.109.63] by web9706.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:22:03 PST Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:22:03 -0800 (PST) From: Mic Ronis Subject: Re: Bump the Mic To: Darin Mitchell , jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Please someone tell me how to save myself from the list. --- Darin Mitchell wrote: > Listening to my CD version of Six and Six I hear no > mic bump on Point > Judith. Am i missing it or something? Is it still on > there? > > Perhaps it was removed like the song in the > background on one of the other > songs when transfered from record to CD. > > Am I deaf? Is it real suttle? > > Whatever. M. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12713 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2000 15:08:59 -0000 Received: from f37.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.37) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 31 Oct 2000 15:08:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:08:33 -0800 Received: from 209.91.128.112 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:08:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.112] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: mronis1@yahoo.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Bump the List Member Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:08:33 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2000 15:08:33.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F74E080:01C0434C] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >Please someone tell me how to save myself from the >list. I am gonna let that one offend me and put me in a bad mood for the rest of the day, ok? I think the question is somewhat interesting. Someone said the CD version Chair Beside a Window didn't have the backwards track on The First End and I just wondered if Corwood was going back and cleaning up these records at all (removing hissing, background junk etc..)... Terribly sorry I put you out. There is a delete button on the right hand corner of your screen y'know. Take care. M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12176 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2000 02:15:03 -0000 Received: from web109.mail.yahoo.com (HELO web109.yahoomail.com) (205.180.60.76) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Nov 2000 02:15:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 1210 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2000 02:15:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20001101021502.1209.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.218.245.10] by web109.yahoomail.com; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:15:02 PST Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:15:02 -0800 (PST) From: Bradley Be Subject: Re: Bump the Mic To: jandek list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Mic Ronis wrote: > Please someone tell me how to save myself from the list. Right on !!! Why are we wasting our time posting about Jandek's music. This list is to be used as a networking tool for stalkers only ! > --- Darin Mitchell wrote: > > Listening to my CD version of Six and Six I hear no > > mic bump on Point > > Judith. Am i missing it or something? Is it still on > > there? I don't have the CD yet, but on the LP it's towards the end of the song. It's right before the line: "The country's cleaner and I've earned a fortune and You don't have to pay ." If the master tape has the vocal and guitar track mixed together then it would be pretty hard to take the banging sound out. If the two tracks are split, he could concevably turn down the microphone signal to edit out the 'bang' while leaving the guitar track at a steady volume. However, if he hit the mic stand with the guitar during the recording, then the bang would be heard through both tracks. Then the only option would be to load the track into a computer, sample the sould of banging a mic stand, and then try to digitally filter out the sound. I'm glad that Jandek is putting the effort into cleaning up the sound for the re-releases, and I now understand why it is taking so long. Just as long as he doesn't try to add a drum machine to anything :) ===== http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12806 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2000 02:27:21 -0000 Received: from web9705.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.129.143) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Nov 2000 02:27:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20001101022654.14642.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.29.109.63] by web9705.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:26:54 PST Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:26:54 -0800 (PST) From: Mic Ronis Subject: Re: Bump the Mic To: Bradley Be , jandek list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk No really how do I unsubscribe myself from the endless menagerie of nerd diatribes? --- Bradley Be wrote: > --- Mic Ronis wrote: > > Please someone tell me how to save myself from the > list. > > Right on !!! Why are we wasting our time posting > about Jandek's music. > This list is to be used as a networking tool for > stalkers only ! > > > --- Darin Mitchell wrote: > > > Listening to my CD version of Six and Six I hear > no > > > mic bump on Point > > > Judith. Am i missing it or something? Is it > still on > > > there? > > I don't have the CD yet, but on the LP it's towards > the end of the song. > It's right before the line: "The country's cleaner > and I've earned a > fortune and You don't have to pay ." If the master > tape has the vocal and > guitar track mixed together then it would be pretty > hard to take the > banging sound out. If the two tracks are split, he > could concevably turn > down the microphone signal to edit out the 'bang' > while leaving the guitar > track at a steady volume. However, if he hit the > mic stand with the > guitar during the recording, then the bang would be > heard through both > tracks. Then the only option would be to load the > track into a computer, > sample the sould of banging a mic stand, and then > try to digitally filter > out the sound. > > I'm glad that Jandek is putting the effort into > cleaning up the sound for > the re-releases, and I now understand why it is > taking so long. Just as > long as he doesn't try to add a drum machine to > anything :) > > > > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts > has your answer. > http://experts.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/