[Jandek] RE: jandek Digest, Vol 55, Issue 103

alex langer alanger at hotmail.co.uk
Sun May 6 07:10:54 PDT 2007


i can hear hints of Jandeks "early" voice on later recordings. mainly on 
Raining Down Diamonds.

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>    1. Does anyone ever get the feeling? (Alimarea Vasquez)
>    2. Re: Does anyone ever get the feeling? (Simon Greenwood)
>    3. [RE][Jandek] Does anyone ever get the feeling? (Dave Parent)
>    4. Re: Does anyone ever get the feeling? (Spencer Graham)
>    5. RE: Does anyone ever get the feeling? (Bob Lukomski)
>    6. Re: Scott Walker doc (Paul Condon)
>    7. Re: Does anyone ever get the feeling? (Jandekian Jandekian)



>From: "Alimarea Vasquez" <beachdame125 at hotmail.com>
>To: jandek at mylist.net
>Subject: [Jandek] Does anyone ever get the feeling?
>Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 10:00:17 -0400
>Lately I have found that when I listen to the old records especially that 
>it almost feels like an entirely different person then the recent live 
>shows.  The diction, the release, the overall vocalizing seems like a 
>completely different person.  I know that your voice changes over time, but 
>ever since these live shows have been happening ......  I don't know what I 
>am getting at but damn.
>
>I mean we have the famous ear photo comparisons and they match... and he 
>probably would have no reason to switch out with someone else, but for some 
>reason my heart tells me differently.
>
>Has anyone ever had that feeling?
>
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>From: Simon Greenwood <simon.greenwood at mac.com>
>To: Jandek <jandek at mylist.net>
>Subject: Re: [Jandek] Does anyone ever get the feeling?
>Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 15:16:23 +0100
>No, I think it's the same person. I still stick to the theory that  the 
>Representative retired from his day job a couple of years ago  either 
>through ill health (which has possibly been recurrent for  quite some time) 
>or simply because he had reached retirement age, and  decided to take to 
>the road. What might have happened is that he  hadn't recorded for some 
>time, and built up a backlog which were  slowly being released as time and 
>money allowed and now that he is  free to travel, play and release the live 
>shows, there will be fewer  'studio' CDs. The live environment also gives 
>him the opportunity to  open up and sing, which isn't always easy if you're 
>recording in your  basement at night or something.
>
>It does give rise to an idea that I have been juggling with for a  while 
>though... what if a Jandek gig was announced and when everyone  got there, 
>it was a different Representative?
>
>Simon
>
>
>On 5 May 2007, at 15:00, Alimarea Vasquez wrote:
>
>>Lately I have found that when I listen to the old records  especially that 
>>it
>>almost feels like an entirely different person then the recent live  
>>shows.
>>The diction, the release, the overall vocalizing seems like a  completely
>>different person.  I know that your voice changes over time, but  ever 
>>since
>>these live shows have been happening ......  I don't know what I am  
>>getting
>>at but damn.
>>
>>I mean we have the famous ear photo comparisons and they match...  and he
>>probably would have no reason to switch out with someone else, but  for 
>>some
>>reason my heart tells me differently.
>>
>>Has anyone ever had that feeling?
>>
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>From: "Dave Parent" <dave9199 at lycos.com>
>To: <jandek at mylist.net>
>Subject: [RE][Jandek] Does anyone ever get the feeling?
>Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 10:58:56 -0400 (EDT)
>You're insane, that's what my heart tells me.
>
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> > Subject : [Jandek] Does anyone ever get the feeling?
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> > Date : Sat, 05 May 2007 10:00:17 -0400
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> > From : "Alimarea Vasquez"
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> >Lately I have found that when I listen to the old records especially that 
>it
>
> >almost feels like an entirely different person then the recent live 
>shows.
>
> >The diction, the release, the overall vocalizing seems like a completely
>
> >different person.  I know that your voice changes over time, but ever 
>since
>
> >these live shows have been happening ......  I don't know what I am 
>getting
>
> >at but damn.
>
> >
>
> >I mean we have the famous ear photo comparisons and they match... and he
>
> >probably would have no reason to switch out with someone else, but for 
>some
>
> >reason my heart tells me differently.
>
> >
>
> >Has anyone ever had that feeling?
>
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>From: Spencer Graham <soccerdude219 at yahoo.com>
>To: Jandek <jandek at mylist.net>
>Subject: Re: [Jandek] Does anyone ever get the feeling?
>Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 09:25:21 -0700 (PDT)
>I chalk it up to changes in his timbre over the years but also in artistic 
>affectation. Jandek's music, despite its improvisational nature, is very 
>considered tonally, and if he tunes his guitar in such a crazy way, might 
>he also adopt different voices for different moods? After listening to You 
>Walk Alone and Blue Corpse yesterday, I've also rejected the "Eddie" theory 
>I'd had for a very long time. I now think it was just Jandek doing a fake 
>"blues" voice, and overdubbing himself. But of course impossible to ever 
>know for sure, unless the J-man grants a third interview.
>
>
>Alimarea Vasquez <beachdame125 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>   Lately I have found that when I listen to the old records especially 
>that it
>almost feels like an entirely different person then the recent live shows.
>The diction, the release, the overall vocalizing seems like a completely
>different person. I know that your voice changes over time, but ever since
>these live shows have been happening ...... I don't know what I am getting
>at but damn.
>
>I mean we have the famous ear photo comparisons and they match... and he
>probably would have no reason to switch out with someone else, but for some
>reason my heart tells me differently.
>
>Has anyone ever had that feeling?
>
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>From: "Bob Lukomski" <lukomski at hotmail.com>
>To: beachdame125 at hotmail.com, jandek at mylist.net
>Subject: RE: [Jandek] Does anyone ever get the feeling?
>Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 13:35:32 -0400
>It certainly depends on which records you are listening to.
>There are other male vocalists on some of the records.
>That being said, if you compare Ready for the House with any recent live 
>recording, despite changes in style and inflection, that same twangy, 
>slightly strangled timbre is there.  Hell, even when you hear someone 
>screaming "Don't Paint Your Teeth!" on Telegraph Melts, the same sonic 
>imprint is evident.
>
>I am a trained professional vocalist (not that that gives me special 
>knowledge or reason to opine), and I know that over the past 20 years as an 
>"adult" my overall style of singing has changed dramatically, including 
>inflection and how I choose to contour a phrase, as well as how I use 
>breath support, etc.  This applies not only to my own work, but how I 
>approach church music, jazz singing, what have you.  It seems that the live 
>Jandek shows are cast in a different musical mold, both in terms of process 
>and form, than what the man was doing 20 years ago, and that can't help but 
>change the vocal approach as well.  Mark E. Smith of the Fall has a very 
>distinctive vocal inflection, but compare "Repetition" with say "Shake 
>Off!" and there's a world of difference.
>
>I think you're picking up on some subtle nuances in the man's vocal growth, 
>and that is *really* cool.  It got me thinking about what he's doing 
>vocally again (was at the Manhattan show last month, but it left me very 
>fatigued)... I'm gonna have to go back and listen some more...
>
>THANKS!
>
>Bob
>
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>>From: "Alimarea Vasquez" <beachdame125 at hotmail.com>
>>To: jandek at mylist.net
>>Subject: [Jandek] Does anyone ever get the feeling?
>>Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 10:00:17 -0400
>>
>>Lately I have found that when I listen to the old records especially that 
>>it
>>almost feels like an entirely different person then the recent live shows.
>>The diction, the release, the overall vocalizing seems like a completely
>>different person.  I know that your voice changes over time, but ever 
>>since
>>these live shows have been happening ......  I don't know what I am 
>>getting
>>at but damn.
>>
>>I mean we have the famous ear photo comparisons and they match... and he
>>probably would have no reason to switch out with someone else, but for 
>>some
>>reason my heart tells me differently.
>>
>>Has anyone ever had that feeling?
>>
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>From: "Paul Condon" <paulgcondon at gmail.com>
>To: "Jandek List" <jandek at mylist.net>
>Subject: Re: [Jandek] Scott Walker doc
>Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 20:49:10 +0100
>On 5/4/07, Knott, Evan <Eknott at andersonkill.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I haven't yet seen the Scott Walker documentary, but would certainly
>>vouch for the amazingness of his music and his background story.  For the
>>uninitiated, pick up any copy of Scott 1, Scott 2, Scott 3, or Scott 4, 
>>all
>>of which have been re-released and remastered.  Amazing stuff.
>>
>
>Or - and particularly for Jandek fans - The Drift, Tilt, or Climate of
>Hunter.





>From: Jandekian Jandekian <jandekian at yahoo.com>
>To: jandek at mylist.net
>Subject: Re: [Jandek] Does anyone ever get the feeling?
>Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 18:28:45 -0700 (PDT)
>the corwood rep doesn't record in a basement.  there are no basements here 
>in houston.
>
>   jandekian
>   texas
>
>
>
>Simon Greenwood <simon.greenwood at mac.com> wrote:
>   No, I think it's the same person. I still stick to the theory that
>the Representative retired from his day job a couple of years ago
>either through ill health (which has possibly been recurrent for
>quite some time) or simply because he had reached retirement age, and
>decided to take to the road. What might have happened is that he
>hadn't recorded for some time, and built up a backlog which were
>slowly being released as time and money allowed and now that he is
>free to travel, play and release the live shows, there will be fewer
>'studio' CDs. The live environment also gives him the opportunity to
>open up and sing, which isn't always easy if you're recording in your
>basement at night or something.
>
>It does give rise to an idea that I have been juggling with for a
>while though... what if a Jandek gig was announced and when everyone
>got there, it was a different Representative?
>
>Simon
>
>
>On 5 May 2007, at 15:00, Alimarea Vasquez wrote:
>
> > Lately I have found that when I listen to the old records
> > especially that it
> > almost feels like an entirely different person then the recent live
> > shows.
> > The diction, the release, the overall vocalizing seems like a
> > completely
> > different person. I know that your voice changes over time, but
> > ever since
> > these live shows have been happening ...... I don't know what I am
> > getting
> > at but damn.
> >
> > I mean we have the famous ear photo comparisons and they match...
> > and he
> > probably would have no reason to switch out with someone else, but
> > for some
> > reason my heart tells me differently.
> >
> > Has anyone ever had that feeling?
> >
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