[Jandek] damn you guys are harsh

Justin Bailey alfredggnome at yahoo.com
Sun Nov 28 20:15:17 PST 2004


I hereby take back all said comments. They were simply
inaccurate and poorly conceived. 

/Justin
--- John Eastridge <johneastridge at hotmail.com> wrote:

> i totally disagree with the comments below on MMM
> and music of the like. 
> tony conrad's 'four violins' is even sparser than
> MMM and is an AMAZING 
> musical experience. the MMM discussion is older than
> the hills and this 
> being a jandek list we should not go into it.
> basically it is my view that 
> the artist's intention does not matter, the only
> thing that matters is what 
> is there and that goes for everything. does jandek's
> intention really 
> matter? i say not really. fact is, there is some
> astounding music on those 
> corwood releases, whether it is "serious" or not. i
> would say (though not in 
> the same league as jandek) MMM is quite an
> experience regardless of what lou 
> reed says.
> 
> john
> 
> >From: Justin Bailey <alfredggnome at yahoo.com>
> >To: jandek at mylist.net
> >Subject: Re: [Jandek] damn you guys are harsh
> >Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:22:44 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Yeah, but you can't throw bands together like that.
> >Every artist is unique, they can't just be tossed
> >arbitrarily into some boxes labeled "indie" and
> >"mainstream" so you can separate yourself from the
> >bourgeio
> >
> >The atonality of Jandek is very different from that
> of
> >"Metal Machine Music". it's impossible for anyone
> to
> >like the latter unless hanging out in a
> construction
> >yard is their idea of a mind-blowing musical
> >experience. It's just noise with no structure for
> 80
> >some odd minutes. It's not even a piece of music as
> >much as it is a sonic installation- better as a
> topic
> >of discussion than something that's stimulating to
> >listen to. Jandek, on the other hand, is musical.
> He
> >has a beat, lyrics, and melody. His experiments
> tried
> >to capture genuine emotion in new ways; Reed's were
> >cynical attempts to see how much hipsters like you
> >could swallow (and apparently, it's quite a lot).
> As
> >Reed himself said: "Anyone who gets to side four is
> >dumber than I am." Jandek, on the other hand, takes
> >his stuff seriously and hopes for the same in his
> >listener. Lou Reed just put out that album because
> he
> >knew a bunch of hipsters like you would get it and
> be
> >like "wow, here's something I can pretend to
> >understand and then make fun of people for not
> >getting." It bugs me that some people have the same
> >attitude towards Jandek.
> >
> >If you're a Jandek fan just to go against the grain
> of
> >the mainstream bands you mentioned, and you only
> put
> >it on to show how unique and cultured your tastes
> are,
> >then you've got less integrity than the people
> you're
> >making fun of. Now who's a sad, sad person? I like
> all
> >those bands and Jandek and Lou Reed too. Where do
> you
> >put me?
> >
> >/Justin
> >--- konajinx at comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > > Interesting, as I repeatedly tell this to anyone
> who
> > > wants to play bands such as The White Stripes,
> U2,
> > > Linkin Park, and Matchbox 20.  They always
> comply as
> > > well because then I pull out the Jandek and/or
> Lou
> > > Reed's Metal Machine Music and it gets the point
> > > across.  Oh, when will these sad, sad people
> ever
> > > learn.
> > >
> > > Matchbox 20.  Christ.
> > >
> > > J.
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >
> > > > I'd never tell someone to break up with a
> loved
> > > one for not liking a band,
> > > > no...but I'd definitely have second thoughts
> about
> > > someone who'd think it
> > > > was OK to say something like "Turn that off.
> Never
> > > play that again." to me. >
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