Message-ID: <19991105201804.1194.rocketmail@web1403.mail.yahoo.com> From: Taped Tapes To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: you are repressed, but you're remarkably dressed Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:18:04 -0800 (PST) hi all. does anyone have any information re: who's doing what on the jandek tribute? just curious about what songs are taken... from a flower to a garden, a.g. Message-Id: <199911052045.OAA02626@harper.uchicago.edu> From: Ben Evans To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: you are repressed, but you're remarkably dressed Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 14:45:03 -0600 In-Reply-To: <19991105201804.1194.rocketmail@web1403.mail.yahoo.com> I second that emotion. Message-ID: <19991109113922.7709.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Mikko Kuorinki" To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: name us Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 03:39:22 PST i am in a band and we are changing our name. please jandek people help us, we just can't find any suitable name... some names (evil tao, autum, ono foot) have dropped but we are not happy with them... are they any good? special message for MArkus: miten olisi torstaina, millanen aikataulu silloin sulla? t.mikko Message-ID: From: Sam Leimer To: Mikko Kuorinki cc: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: name us Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:26:21 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <19991109113922.7709.qmail@hotmail.com> I was think about using this one but if you use it, more power to you: Sexual Horseshit oh the entendre! Sam or you could name it after a The The song. Message-ID: From: Edward Andrew Reno To: Mikko Kuorinki cc: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: name us Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:49:11 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <19991109113922.7709.qmail@hotmail.com> three times four is twenty-seven streaking giraffe jaws of murmur pending doom european jewel Message-ID: <19991110041017.28630.rocketmail@web114.yahoomail.com> From: Bradley Be To: jandek list Subject: Irwin Chisud Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:10:17 -0800 (PST) I just noticed Jandek and Peter Grudzien on playlists for Irwin Chisud's radio show on WFMU. A link to info on his show is at http://www.wfmu.org/sched.html#P31500 I know I called him a dick-head a while ago, but since he's playing Jandek (fairly often) on the radio, I guess he's not all bad :) It's on tomorrow, and there is a real-audio link at their site. Message-ID: <19991110123551.11142.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Mikko Kuorinki" To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: name us Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 04:35:51 PST >Please do not name your band "evil tao". I think this would evoke a >precious goth techno ensemble... okey then! now that you mention it does sound like a really crappy industrial techno goth thing... we got all the names with using CUT-UP machine... "Paint Your Teeth" sounds nice at the moment, we'll keep thinking, thank you to all. mikko Message-ID: <19991110234127.94268.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Campbell&Diane ... Gordon Productions" To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: more comparisoning Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:41:26 NZDT Just another comparison to go with the others from a week or two ago... I was playing Ready for the House in the video shop I work in, enjoying the vaguely dread atmosphere it seemed to be creating, when someone said something along the lines of "Wow this is great music, is it Michael Morley or something".... Michael Morley, aka Gate and also one of the Dead C is someone you should be fairly familiar with, and most of his stuff is increasingly noise based, but every now and then (try Needed all Words on The Dew Line, or other earlier albums) he's put out a couple of pieces of basically minimal folk that's been desensitised by a wall of noise, and he has a great, strained,droning anti-singing voice. Most of his stuff increasingly tends towards vocal-free noise, but when he does sing, it has an interestingly non-lilting, blank desperation that seems to hit a lot of the same buttons as Jandek.. in a way that not too much other stuff from NZ seems to do - the droney noise stuff is nice too, but hits completely different buttons. Some of the stuff by his earlier band Wreck Small Speakers on Expensive Stereos has some of the same ambience, but neither WSS nor the Dead C have the same blankness which I'm talking about. CW Message-ID: <19991110234258.32447.qmail@cs.nwu.edu> From: Seth Tisue To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Irwin Chusid: Re: Irwin Chisud Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:42:58 -0600 ------- Forwarded Message Message-Id: <199911102340.SAA17886@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:40:11 -0500 Subject: Re: re Irwin Chisud From: "Irwin Chusid" To: Seth Tisue > Discussion reproduced below. Hysterical. Katy Vine warned me. Having recently gone through the (not-too-painful) publisher's copyediting stage of my manuscript, figured I'd explore the List exchange sometime in the future when I wouldn't feel compelled to cull yet more vivid quotes from frothing Jankies for the chapter. Having now read the posts, I don't feel any such compulsion -- but they sure are *passionate* about their boy, ain't they? As it currently stands, the book chapter is *very different* from the LCD version. It's more entertaining, informative, and frankly more *respectful* to our Sterling. I still find the music difficult to appreciate -- whatever my mood -- but I have abiding respect for Mr. Smith and his dogged perseverance. I believe he's sincere about his art -- I wouldn't have included him in the book if he wasn't -- and hopefully some readers will accept my smug rhetoric as a challenge to explore Corwood product. Which, as regards all featured artists, is the book's primary intent. Feel free to post this to the List. But please tell "Mr. E Meate" to spell my name correctly. And kindly capitalize "Dickhead." - --Irwin Chusid P.S. Regarding Meate's contention that "now [he] won't have to buy" the book, the Jandek chapter is atypical of the book's overall tone. Would I waste a year of my life writing about music I don't enjoy? For the adventurous: Songs in the Key of Z: The Curious Universe of Outsider Music, May 2000, A Cappella Books/Chicago Review Press. ------- End of Forwarded Message From: "Campbell&Diane ... Gordon Productions" To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: Irwin Chusid: Re: Irwin Chisud Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:22:11 NZDT Message-ID: <19991111002212.7635.qmail@hotmail.com> >- --Irwin Chusid >Would I waste a year of my life writing about music I don't enjoy? Quite. It's lovely reading the information as supplied by someone who knows stuff about Jandek etc. Its kind of a drag having to wade through the "attitude" of someone who prefers their music to be of a humourous persuasion to get the info. It says a lot about 1979 that someone like this was the only person who could be bothered responding to the Units album. Think what could have happened if Jandek had been contacted by someone who actually liked the music in a non-freakshow manner, and who wasn't dismayed by giving his home address to some freak or whatever he said... And someone who didn't treat the subject like the guy's some kind of really impressive joke ...cw Message-ID: <19991111030412.7138.rocketmail@web118.yahoomail.com> From: Bradley Be To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: Irwin Chusid: Re: Irwin Chisud Re....... Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:04:12 -0800 (PST) --- "Campbell&Diane ... Gordon Productions" wrote: > Think what could have happened if Jandek had been contacted by > someone who actually liked the music in a non-freakshow manner, and > who wasn't dismayed by giving his home address to some freak or > whatever he said... And someone who didn't treat the subject like > the guy's some kind of really impressive joke ...cw exactly! (by the way, I used to be Mr. E Meate...now my name is Hugh P. Ness) Perhaps I should explain, for my postings reflect exactly what I feel and not exactly what I think. Mr. Chusid, I've never met you, but I'm sure you're a very nice guy. Please don't take my personal attacks as personal attacks :) It's just that... One way to approach Jandek's music is to say, Wow, he's really weird! He doesn't tune his guitar. His drummer's terrible. He sound's like a freak who lives on the street. His songs sound like crap and he doesn't know it. He thinks he's making Led Zeppelin tunes and he's so out-of-it that he can't tell how out-of-tune he sings! What a freak! And this is a valid frame of mind, because SOME of his music reflect's this. ("Foreign Keys" LP and others) Jandek definitely has a sense of humor and some of his songs reflect that. Bob Dylan has a funny singing voice, but listeners can appreciate his lyrics despite this. Syd Barrett sounds funny too, but his music has inspired many artists after him. But Dylan's legacy is his message, his lyrics. 50 years from now, he will not be discussed as the most popular singer with a funny voice. I've been trying to think of how to describe how I feel about Jandek's music, but I can't. I can't describe what I feel inside when I hear Jandek sing: "Well I guess you'r mind's made up, guess there's nothing left to say, your goin' to see your other man..." or when he wails out "you know I have fantasies about you..." Jandek's song's make me think about my childhood, my future, my God, my conscience...it's way to personal to type over the i-net! We live in America and you have the God-given right to play Jandek tunes on your radio show right between Tammy Fae Baker & William Shatner & Sebastian Cabbot & that Florence opera-singer lady, just as I have the right to say: That's SO FUCKIN' WRONG DUDE!!! Lou Reed once said "My shit is other people's diamonds." Well, by playing Jandek on the same show as Leonard Nimoy, it is my humble, personal opinion that you're treating the musical diamonds of Jandek's creation like shit! Having said that, I'm also quite certain that you, Mr. Chusid, can personally appreciate Jandek's more serious music along with his more self-effacing side, just like me. It's very difficult to write about the deeply personal feelings reflected in the listener by artists like Jandek. I know I can't. I'm expecting too much, mabye??? Message-ID: <19991111032925.8185.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Susan Shepard" To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: Irwin Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:29:24 CST Um, I have to say that when the first meesage with "Irwin Chusid" as the subject line appeared, I was hoping it was someone suggesting Mikko's band name itself after him. Oh well. I'd buy that record. And I wouldn't take Chusid's comments quite so harshly. The guy's done more than his part for underappreciated, unheard music, and to imagine that he's being malicious towards "our boy" does veer towards the over-protective, over-sensitive side of obsessive fandom. The very fact of his writing a book on "outsider music" that isn't being published by, say, Fireside, probably indicates more of a sense of amazement at what folks can come up with left to their own creative impulses than a desire to laugh at them. I think one time while listening to WFMU via RealAudio he was playing a Sheryl Crow song. "Home," maybe. Kind of Opal-ish. Message-ID: <19991111033736.37212.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Rob Carmichael" To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: Irwin Chusid Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:37:36 PST PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST the recent proliferation of crybaby posting on here has grown dramatically. was expecting/hoping that there'd be some intelligent discussion on this list, not a bunch of people acting like scared high schoolers when someone made fun of their favorite smiths record or something. i mean its sweet and special when music means a lot to you, but its pretty silly and very annoying when people get so wrapped up in something that they can't have people talking about it in any sort of complex or not-totally-sunshiney way. i'll miss the avant gardener the most. rob carmichael Message-ID: <19991111034808.22945.rocketmail@web123.yahoomail.com> From: Bradley Be To: Rob Carmichael Cc: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: Irwin Chusid Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:48:08 -0800 (PST) --- Rob Carmichael wrote: > PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST The Jandek discussion list is my only friend. Stay...Please??? Message-ID: <19991111040638.15512.rocketmail@web1401.mail.yahoo.com> From: Taped Tapes To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: everybody had their own opinion Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:06:38 -0800 (PST) > i'll miss the avant gardener the most. and i, you, my friend! consider sticking around. some do write interesting and meaningful things. some sell their records here, too! and, well, the list can't afford to lose another rose among a proliferation of thorns! i must say i understand and share your frustrations. lately, it's like: 'did you hear that irwin guy making fun of jandek; did you hear him making fun of us? c'mon, LET'S GET HIM!' seems to me if he hadn't initially championed jandek's records, there might be, what, about 5 people on this list? in all the world, there are many opinions to be held. some may feel that mustard weed is more beautiful than an orchid. who cares? i say, if we can't disagree, lets just not talk anymore. lovest, the avant gardener p.s. as soon as i get my jandek/gardening leads together, i'll post a full report. of course this may never happen. Message-ID: <19991111055433.26991.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Campbell&Diane ... Gordon Productions" To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: Irwin Chusid Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:54:32 NZDT >PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST >the recent proliferation of crybaby posting on here has grown dramatically. >was expecting/hoping that there'd be some intelligent discussion on this >list, not a bunch of people acting like scared high schoolers when someone >made fun of their favorite smiths record or something. Gee, I thought "Intelligent discussion" might have meant being able to get past the freakshow mode of discussion, and try and talk about something in a serous sort of way... but it doesn't seem to work out that way... I would have said that "Gee this is really strange music and it sounds kinda funny, gee it must be made by some kind of weird guy" wasn't an exactly intelligent, beyond observing it for the first time... Surely everybody on the list has an interest in Jandek beyond that? CW Message-Id: From: Drunken Fish To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Hey mister can you tell me... (was : Irwin) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:43:49 -0800 In-Reply-To: <19991111040638.15512.rocketmail@web1401.mail.yahoo.com> By a strange twist of fate I had dinner with Chusid and the Coctails at Maxwell's one night about six years ago and the subject of Jandek came up (probably someone's punch line). One of the Coctails was a fan as was I and Irwin started telling us stories about the Units record showing up, his name being Sterling Smith (we gasped of couse), an out of the blue phone call from Jandek saying he was in town and wanted to meet to do an interview but Irwin was on the way out to some engagement and said some other time... with hindsight, doh! but at the time it's this strange (one could only guess from the album itself) guy on the phone saying "well, I'm only in town for tonight". I'd have probably passed as well. Anyway, the whole time Irwin spoke he made no more of a desparaging remark than any of us cynical label, band member, college dj, collector, Jandek mailing list types would with a few beers in 'em. I too was a little bewildered by the "dig this freak" tone of his piece in Pulse but chalked it up to it being aimed at the outside world, not the people who've ever heard the guy, or even remotely anything like him, and he's saying "there's some really nuts music by this guy, check it out." Anyone who helps put money into Corwood Industies and propels the myth is fine by me. Can we pick on Doctor Demento next? Now that guy is an asshole. ++ AC Message-ID: <1721331606.942319169@localhost> From: Greg Baise To: Drunken Fish cc: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: Hey mister can you tell me... (was : Irwin) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:19:29 -0500 Hey, you'd better leave Dr. Demento alone... okay, so I only "really" know the man through his Fahey connections (they are "strong"), but a friend of mine's first exposure to Jandek was through the Dr. Demento Show circa the very early eighties. Can anyone else attest to hearing Jandek on the Dr.'s show? As for Irwin Chusid, people ought to take his commentary with a grain or three of salt. Believe me, his approach to Jandek's music is a lot more level-headed and a little more out-in-the-real-world, devil's advocately than, say, my Aunt Martha's would be should she ever catch me listening to GRAVEN IMAGE. And, in a stunning disappointment to all of the anti-record-collectors out there, Mr. Chusid probably still has every scrap of anything that Corwood has ever sent him. Personally, if I tuned into a station that followed up Shatner's "Mr. Tambourine Man," with something like "Nothing Is Better Than God," it would blow my mind. Also, as Susan commented, the man has done a whole lot of great research and excavating in the realm of unusual music. If it weren't for him, none of us would be walking around humming "In the Year 2000" by Lucia Pamela nowadays. Did anyone get any goodies at the WFMU record fair? Now that I think about it, I wish that Steve Keene had painted some Jandek album covers... Message-ID: From: "Bette Schultz and Paul Payton" To: Subject: RE: Hey mister can you tell me... (was : Irwin) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:00:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1721331606.942319169@localhost> Folks, it's guys like Irwin Chusid, Barry Hansen (Dr. Demento) and a few more who make room on the airwaves for the alt and outsider stuff mainstream radio would never think about touching (hell, most of 'em don't know it exists). I know that both of these guys are sincere musicilogists into it for the music. Without them and a few more like them open-air radio and record/CD/etc collecting would be far sadder places. Let's widen the focus and go a bit more gently on those who are on our side, even if not in our specific narrow corners. What say? P. Message-ID: <382B5B61.600A868D@earthlink.net> From: borb@earthlink.net To: Drunken Fish CC: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: Hey mister can you tell me... (was : Irwin) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:12:18 -0800 References: I agree with the take of the "Drug Fish" on Irwin vis-a-vis Jandek. I also agree with the take that Demento is a pandering novelty wank loser and take great exception to P. Payton's assertion that it is people such as Demento "who make room on the airwaves for the alt and outsider stuff". It is the few faithful belivers in the "true underground", college stations like KFJC,etc. and public (not PBS!) stations like WFMU,etc., that give the lion's share of exposure via the airwaves to all truly "underground" forms of music - from free jazz to post music to loner outside psych and beyond! Steve Message-ID: <19991112015028.20606.rocketmail@web1002.mail.yahoo.com> From: Matthew Perpetua To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: can anyone help me out? Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:50:28 -0800 (PST) A few days ago, a friend of mine pointed me in the direction of a few articles on Jandek which I read, then went to the Tisue site, which further increased my already intense interest in hearing Jandek. Two days ago, I bought Glad To Get Away and Graven Image at Other Music in Manhattan, and was very surprised...I had expected not to like Jandek's music at all, but I found myself enjoying a lot of it, and not just for the curiosity aspect of it. I've become very fascinated with Jandek, and was wondering/hoping that someone on this list may be so kind to tape me some of the highlights of the vinyl albums, I'm particularly interested in hearing selections from Ready for the House, Blue Corpse, Chair Beside a Window, The Rocks Crumble, Your Turn To Fall, and Interstellar Discussioon. I will definitely be willing to pay you or compensate you somehow...I really want to hear this stuff, and I don't really know how likely it is I'd get to hear any of it unless he goes through with rereleasing them all on cd, which somehow seems unlikely. Thank you in advance, Matthew Message-ID: From: Maurice Rickard To: Matthew Perpetua cc: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Re: can anyone help me out? Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:00:08 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <19991112015028.20606.rocketmail@web1002.mail.yahoo.com> Matthew-- Jandek has in fact made your quest a bit easier, in that _Ready for the House_ has been rereleased this year. As for the others, well, you will have to rely on the community here (or a friendly college radio station, perhaps?), until Jandek gets around to rereleasing the others. OTOH, it does seem like it would be a logistical nightmare for the man to keep all his releases in print, but you never know. Welcome to the list, and best regards, Maurice Rickard | "Multimedia will never go anywhere Designer | until the amateurs take over." http://www.envirolink.org/maurice | --David Thomas Message-ID: From: "Bette Schultz and Paul Payton" To: Subject: FW: REGARDING DEMENTO.... Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:54:58 -0500 To the guy who rained on me for acknowledging Demento: Hey, sure, the man does a novelty show. But on it I've heard the funnier tracks by artists with a lot more depth to discover, such as Steve Vai, the King's Singers, The Flying Pickets, etc...a pretty broad base, even if they're not all to your liking. Unless you're a major fan, a little of the Doctor's shtick can go a long way, and I don't mean to suggest he's anywhere near the cutting edge of college or community radio (kudos to all the stations you mentioned, of course, and the rest who do it for love). But anything that helps get a broader musical base out to the masses gets at least a vote of confidence from this corner--especially knowing the kind of musicologist he is. In the interest of full disclosure, I did radio for many years, founding or developing some major commercial progressive stations until they ran into the brick wall of tight formats and tighter accountants. These days, with very few exceptions (WRNR in Annapolis for one--www.wrnr.com) there is virtually nothing worth listening to on the commercial dial in terms of new(er) music that isn't more of the same ol' same ol'. (Your taste is probably farther to the left than WRNR, but give 'em points for doing a righteous job standing against the tide.) Thanks go to the creative few who are still willing to starve for a living and take their satisfaction from knowing they are doing mitzvahs for the rest of us. Please take my comments as one person's opinion. I respect your opinion, and Demento certainly isn't the be-all and end-all. Hell, none of us are. Next topic.... Paul Message-id: From: "Eric W. Schlittler" To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: A tribute to Jandek Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Hello, The Jandek tribute is going very well. I was wondering though if anyone out there knows how to get a hold of James McNew or the Charalambides? I'd like to include their Jandek covers on the tribute with their permission. I have not been able to track either of them down. If anyone knows please drop me a line. All the best, Eric Message-id: From: "Eric W. Schlittler" To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Jandek tribute song reservation list Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Hello, Here is a list of what Jandek songs are currently reserved for the CD: "Painted My Teeth", "Nancy Sings", "Rain in Madison", "Movin Slow", "Hey Mister Can You Tell Me", "Eziekiel", "New Town", "They Told Me I was a Fool", "Real Fine Movement", "When The Telephone Melts", "Harmonica", "Oh Jenny", "Your Condition", "Remain the Same", "She Fell Down", "Sailors", "Naked in the Afternoon", "European Jewel (Incomplete)", and "Twenty Four" As more reservations arise I will update. All the best, Eric Schlittler Message-id: From: "Eric W. Schlittler" To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: Song reservation list II Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Hello, Since last night, the songs: "Didnt really die", "Yellow Pages", and "Van Ness Mission" have all been reserved. "Oh Jenny" is open now as well. I will keep everyone updated as changes occur, and songs are added to the list. All the best, Eric Message-ID: <38434728.9BBC7ECD@flash.net> From: Tanya Simmons To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: reissues Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:40:24 -0600 hello list, hi. has anyone ordered from corwood lately? has any seen a recent corwood catalog? what reissues are out now? last time i ordered from corwood "ready for the house" was reissued with "six and six" and "later on" to follow. are all these out? have any others been reissued? oh, and what does the cover to "i woke up" look like? thank you everyone. bye. thank you , derek