Date: 28 Oct 2003 19:04:56 -0000 To: seth@tisue.net From: majordomo@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Majordomo file: list 'jandek' file 'jandek.0310' Reply-To: majordomo@cs.northwestern.edu X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ccl.northwestern.edu -- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12159 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 15:42:03 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 15:42:03 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:42:00 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91Ffx604855 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:41:59 -0500 Received: (qmail 7975 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 14:49:13 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 14:49:13 -0000 Received: from web12004.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.172.212]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:49:10 -0500 Message-ID: <20031001144906.41581.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.54.36.162] by web12004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 07:49:06 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:49:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Cooley Subject: RE: Jandek /Malkmus/Silver Jews Connection To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2003 14:49:10.0638 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C6650E0:01C3882B] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Also, if you look at the back cover of the Silver Jews' 1999 single "Send In The Clouds" it is EXACTLY like the back of a Jandek cover, generic font and everything. --- Mark Greenberg wrote: > He (David Berman-Silver Jews) dose not DO a Jandek > cover. The picture on the > 'cover' of his LP/CD Bright Flight is very > Jandekian, or Jandekesq, or > Jandekish. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 13588 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 15:55:58 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 15:55:58 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:55:55 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91Ftsg05248 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:55:54 -0500 Received: (qmail 13245 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 15:51:38 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 15:51:38 -0000 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:51:35 -0500 Received: from Summersteps@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.7d.3e9db58e (16111) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.133]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v96.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID123-3eef3f7af7fb351; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 11:51:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 11:51:23 -0400 From: Summersteps@aol.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: A new jandek cover MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <79A33D5D.089C8BBA.411958E8@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 68.168.135.134 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2003 15:51:35.0138 (UTC) FILETIME=[E44BAC20:01C38833] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hi, For those who dug the Summersteps Jandek tribute, there's a cover of "naked in the afternoon" by Jack Norton now available at our website www.summerstepsrecords.com/mp3s The song recently showed up in the mail and thought folks might be interested in checking out. Take Care, Eric Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21132 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 22:10:46 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 22:10:46 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:10:27 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91MARU12837 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:10:27 -0500 Received: (qmail 21079 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 22:09:12 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 22:09:12 -0000 Received: from web41413.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.79]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:07:53 -0500 Message-ID: <20031001220753.121.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.163.168.80] by web41413.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:07:53 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:07:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: RE: Silver Jews Info To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2003 22:07:53.0794 (UTC) FILETIME=[76392A20:01C38868] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Malkmus' insinuation was not that Jandek isn't serious. It was, why, if he is serious ( and I believe he is) would he be happy with obscurity, not being known? I.E. why is he a musical hermit? That, I think, is one half of the mystery. The other half is, of course, why does he write music like he does? D.M. --- Mark Greenberg wrote: > Sum it up in what way? I, too am a Pavement fan but > I do not understand what > you are saying. Are you implying Jandek is not a > serious musician even after > 30 odd records over 25 years? Or that his decision > to stay somewhat > anonymous and out of the spotlight reflects on his > seriousness? I am > confused. > > -Mark > > > > >>>>Well, I'm a big Pavement fan. Malkmus was right > with > >>>that comment. "he's cool but what serious > musician > >>>>>would want to languish in obscurity?" > > >>>If that doesn't sum up the whole Jandek mystery, > what > >>>does? > > >>>>D.M. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > [mailto:owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu]On Behalf > Of Daniel Marks > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:47 PM > To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > Subject: Re: Silver Jews Info > > > Well, I'm a big Pavement fan. Malkmus was right with > that comment. "he's cool but what serious musician > would want to languish in obscurity?" > > If that doesn't sum up the whole Jandek mystery, > what > does? > > D.M. > --- Colin Tudor wrote: > > Thanks for replies. I went back to my interview > and > > what Malkmus says is > > "i like that guy, (jandek), he was in a punk band > in > > Houston years ago. He's a friend of a friend of > > mine, David from the Silver Jews, who recently had > > dinner with him and had a great time reminiscing" > > > > So maybe my inference that David and Sterling were > > in the band together is incorrect. malkmus also > > said re: jandek > > > > ' > > > > Colin > > > > Colin Tudor > > PO Box 3 > > Whitland > > Dyfed SA34 0YU > > > > 01994-419-447 > > > > cod@wobblyweb.com > > > > http://www.virginradio107.co.uk/index.html > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21853 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 22:34:09 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 22:34:09 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:34:03 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91MY3W13334 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:34:03 -0500 Received: (qmail 21830 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 22:32:35 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 22:32:35 -0000 Received: from gollum.dreamhost.com ([66.33.209.16] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:32:29 -0500 Received: from dpen (adsl-68-75-58-152.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net [68.75.58.152]) by gollum.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90975B7B5; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:32:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark Greenberg" To: "Daniel Marks" , Subject: RE: Silver Jews Info Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:32:09 -0500 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20031001220753.121.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2003 22:32:30.0122 (UTC) FILETIME=[E62EF0A0:01C3886B] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Ah, yes, I see what you mean. And you are right, it is half the mystery. I know this subject has come up a few times but... would the music have the same meaning and depth to us all if Jandek was not such a recluse and if the mystery were to be lifted? I do appreciate how many people on this list seem to want to defend that line Jandek has made for us and himself for which we are not supposed to cross. Is loving the mystery of it all half of the Jandek experience? More than half? Not important to the music at all? -Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu [mailto:owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Daniel Marks Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:08 PM To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: Silver Jews Info Malkmus' insinuation was not that Jandek isn't serious. It was, why, if he is serious ( and I believe he is) would he be happy with obscurity, not being known? I.E. why is he a musical hermit? That, I think, is one half of the mystery. The other half is, of course, why does he write music like he does? D.M. --- Mark Greenberg wrote: > Sum it up in what way? I, too am a Pavement fan but > I do not understand what > you are saying. Are you implying Jandek is not a > serious musician even after > 30 odd records over 25 years? Or that his decision > to stay somewhat > anonymous and out of the spotlight reflects on his > seriousness? I am > confused. > > -Mark > > > > >>>>Well, I'm a big Pavement fan. Malkmus was right > with > >>>that comment. "he's cool but what serious > musician > >>>>>would want to languish in obscurity?" > > >>>If that doesn't sum up the whole Jandek mystery, > what > >>>does? > > >>>>D.M. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > [mailto:owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu]On Behalf > Of Daniel Marks > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:47 PM > To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > Subject: Re: Silver Jews Info > > > Well, I'm a big Pavement fan. Malkmus was right with > that comment. "he's cool but what serious musician > would want to languish in obscurity?" > > If that doesn't sum up the whole Jandek mystery, > what > does? > > D.M. > --- Colin Tudor wrote: > > Thanks for replies. I went back to my interview > and > > what Malkmus says is > > "i like that guy, (jandek), he was in a punk band > in > > Houston years ago. He's a friend of a friend of > > mine, David from the Silver Jews, who recently had > > dinner with him and had a great time reminiscing" > > > > So maybe my inference that David and Sterling were > > in the band together is incorrect. malkmus also > > said re: jandek > > > > ' > > > > Colin > > > > Colin Tudor > > PO Box 3 > > Whitland > > Dyfed SA34 0YU > > > > 01994-419-447 > > > > cod@wobblyweb.com > > > > http://www.virginradio107.co.uk/index.html > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22527 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 22:55:35 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 22:55:35 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:55:07 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h91Mt6c13657 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:55:06 -0500 Received: (qmail 22466 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 22:53:21 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 22:53:21 -0000 Received: from mailhost.bellboyd.com ([67.94.127.2]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:53:15 -0500 Received: from 67.94.127.3 by mailhost.bellboyd.com with ESMTP ( Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v4.7);); Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:54:36 -0500 X-Server-Uuid: 4307f3fc-235d-4475-b52a-e9f8bf3c098e X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Silver Jews Info Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:53:14 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Silver Jews Info Thread-Index: AcOIbCik0gSt967dRHqPMze8tvGfsQAADDhA From: "Knott, Evan T." To: "Mark Greenberg" , "Daniel Marks" , jandek@cs.northwestern.edu X-WSS-ID: 136584A6137954-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2003 22:53:15.0747 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCA23B30:01C3886E] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I don't think "loving the mystery of it all" is necessarily half of the Jandek experience, or necessarily more or less of the experience. It is a significant and, I'd say, integral or indispensable (albeit unquantifiable) component of the Jandek experience. But I think the music itself is an essential component of the experience (again, albeit unquantifiable). I mean, the records really are pretty wide ranging in their sound, moods, style, musicianship, etc., but each has an artistic essence integral to the "jandek experience" which, without it, would render the "mystery" irrelevant. for example, suppose jandek released 34 records that all sounded more or less like lou reed's "metal machine music". without getting into the merits of that record, I think most people might still be intrigued as to why somebody would go to the trouble to do such a thing over and over, but it just wouldn't be as compelling. In other words, the "mystery" can't exist in a vacuum. on the other hand, I think the "mystery" is at least somewhat important to the music. take will oldham for example. he's kind of mysterious (or, more accurately, esoteric), but he does occasionally give interviews, he performs in public, people know about him. why do people like will oldham/palace/bonnie prince billy? he writes good songs, great lyrics, he evokes an asthetic that a lot of people find beautiful (myself included). could the same be said for jandek, assuming he were equally well known as will oldham? I'm not so sure. I think jandek is capable of writing great lyrics, and I think on his more abrasive, discordant records (I Threw You Away, Six and Six) there are moments where the sounds create a mood or mental image which, although not necessarily musical, takes the listener to a different place. The ability of Jandek to do that, I think, would by itself cause a good chunk of the "Jandek experience" even if there were no real mystery. All said, I think the two are sort of inextricably intertwined, the mystery and the music sort of play off one another, and not always at the same time. the mystery I think forces listeners to concentrate the music in much more detail-- why harmonica on this record but not the last? what does that signify? what are jandek's motives? what might he be feeling? whew, that was rambling. thoughts? evan -----Original Message----- =46rom: Mark Greenberg [mailto:mark@mayfairrecordings.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:32 PM To: Daniel Marks; jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: Silver Jews Info Ah, yes, I see what you mean. And you are right, it is half the mystery. I know this subject has come up a few times but... would the music have the same meaning and depth to us all if Jandek was not such a recluse and if the mystery were to be lifted? I do appreciate how many people on this list seem to want to defend that line Jandek has made for us and himself for which we are not supposed to cross. Is loving the mystery of it all half of the Jandek experience? More than half? Not important to the music at all? -Mark ------------------------------------------ The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged,=20 confidential, and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, any further disclosure or use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you think that you have received this e-mail message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24388 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 00:11:23 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 00:11:23 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:11:17 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h920BGN14870 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:11:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 24314 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 00:07:48 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 00:07:48 -0000 Received: from web60209.mail.yahoo.com ([216.109.118.104]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:07:42 -0500 Message-ID: <20031002000738.18294.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.41.100.16] by web60209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:07:38 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Henry Subject: Re: A new jandek cover To: Summersteps@aol.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <79A33D5D.089C8BBA.411958E8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-270794361-1065053258=:17792" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 00:07:42.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[32F7D930:01C38879] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --0-270794361-1065053258=:17792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow, great rendition. To my ear it's the best Jandek cover yet. Summersteps@aol.com wrote:Hi, For those who dug the Summersteps Jandek tribute, there's a cover of "naked in the afternoon" by Jack Norton now available at our website www.summerstepsrecords.com/mp3s The song recently showed up in the mail and thought folks might be interested in checking out. Take Care, Eric --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-270794361-1065053258=:17792 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Wow, great rendition. To my ear it's the best Jandek cover yet.

Summersteps@aol.com wrote:
Hi,
For those who dug the Summersteps Jandek tribute, there's a cover of "naked in the afternoon" by Jack Norton now available at our website www.summerstepsrecords.com/mp3s

The song recently showed up in the mail and thought folks might be interested in checking out.

Take Care,
Eric

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Shopping - with improved product search --0-270794361-1065053258=:17792-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 26094 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 02:20:06 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 02:20:06 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:19:59 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h922Jv316646 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:19:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 25959 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 02:12:28 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 02:12:28 -0000 Received: from smeagol.dreamhost.com ([66.33.209.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:11:28 -0500 Received: from dpen (adsl-68-75-58-152.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net [68.75.58.152]) by smeagol.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E973D23A4C; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:11:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark Greenberg" To: "Knott, Evan T." , "Daniel Marks" , Subject: RE: Silver Jews Info Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:11:19 -0500 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 02:11:28.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D4C4280:01C3888A] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Nicely put Evan. I do think another part of it is the supply and demand of Jandek. With the exception of the number of records put out, there is not a lot of supply beyond that. I think his lack of answers gives way to more and more questions. His lack of supplying us with the what and the why puts us in the position of being faced with the unknown and nothing is more interesting that the unknown. It's much more intriguing that the known every day of the week. -Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu [mailto:owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Knott, Evan T. Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:53 PM To: Mark Greenberg; Daniel Marks; jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: Silver Jews Info I don't think "loving the mystery of it all" is necessarily half of the Jandek experience, or necessarily more or less of the experience. It is a significant and, I'd say, integral or indispensable (albeit unquantifiable) component of the Jandek experience. But I think the music itself is an essential component of the experience (again, albeit unquantifiable). I mean, the records really are pretty wide ranging in their sound, moods, style, musicianship, etc., but each has an artistic essence integral to the "jandek experience" which, without it, would render the "mystery" irrelevant. for example, suppose jandek released 34 records that all sounded more or less like lou reed's "metal machine music". without getting into the merits of that record, I think most people might still be intrigued as to why somebody would go to the trouble to do such a thing over and over, but it just wouldn't be as compelling. In other words, the "mystery" can't exist in a vacuum. on the other hand, I think the "mystery" is at least somewhat important to the music. take will oldham for example. he's kind of mysterious (or, more accurately, esoteric), but he does occasionally give interviews, he performs in public, people know about him. why do people like will oldham/palace/bonnie prince billy? he writes good songs, great lyrics, he evokes an asthetic that a lot of people find beautiful (myself included). could the same be said for jandek, assuming he were equally well known as will oldham? I'm not so sure. I think jandek is capable of writing great lyrics, and I think on his more abrasive, discordant records (I Threw You Away, Six and Six) there are moments where the sounds create a mood or mental image which, although not necessarily musical, takes the listener to a different place. The ability of Jandek to do that, I think, would by itself cause a good chunk of the "Jandek experience" even if there were no real mystery. All said, I think the two are sort of inextricably intertwined, the mystery and the music sort of play off one another, and not always at the same time. the mystery I think forces listeners to concentrate the music in much more detail-- why harmonica on this record but not the last? what does that signify? what are jandek's motives? what might he be feeling? whew, that was rambling. thoughts? evan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Greenberg [mailto:mark@mayfairrecordings.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:32 PM To: Daniel Marks; jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: Silver Jews Info Ah, yes, I see what you mean. And you are right, it is half the mystery. I know this subject has come up a few times but... would the music have the same meaning and depth to us all if Jandek was not such a recluse and if the mystery were to be lifted? I do appreciate how many people on this list seem to want to defend that line Jandek has made for us and himself for which we are not supposed to cross. Is loving the mystery of it all half of the Jandek experience? More than half? Not important to the music at all? -Mark ------------------------------------------ The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, any further disclosure or use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you think that you have received this e-mail message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1825 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 14:27:27 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 14:27:27 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:27:26 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92EROk24632 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:27:24 -0500 Received: (qmail 639 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 13:37:28 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 13:37:28 -0000 Received: from c000.snv.cp.net ([209.228.32.71] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:37:27 -0500 Received: (cpmta 21120 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 06:37:25 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.75 (HELO mail.eggoffice.intranets.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.hosting1.intranets.com (209.228.32.71) with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 06:37:25 -0700 X-Sent: 2 Oct 2003 13:37:25 GMT Received: from [213.78.93.83] by mail.eggoffice.intranets.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 06:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: "Colin Tudor" Subject: Why Do You Need Jandek ? X-Sent-From: cod@eggoffice.intranets.com Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 06:37:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20031002063725.14188.h011.c000.wm@mail.eggoffice.intranets.com.criticalpath.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 13:37:27.0544 (UTC) FILETIME=[51F80780:01C388EA] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:53:14 -0500, "Knott, Evan T." wrote: > > I don't think "loving the mystery of it all" is necessarily half of the > Jandek experience, or necessarily more or less of the experience. It is > a significant and, I'd say, integral or indispensable (albeit > unquantifiable) component of the Jandek experience. Can the members of this list live with/acknowledge that they are fetishising Jandek? It seems obvious to me and I'm happy to admit it. He is diifficult to discover, difficult to enjoy and in many ways antithetical to perceived norms of music exchange. This gives us all a thrill I think >But I think the > music itself is an essential component of the experience (again, albeit > unquantifiable). I mean, the records really are pretty wide ranging in > their sound, moods, style, musicianship, etc., but each has an artistic > essence integral to the "jandek experience" which, without it, would > render the "mystery" irrelevant. for example, suppose jandek released > 34 records that all sounded more or less like lou reed's "metal machine > music". without getting into the merits of that record, I think most > people might still be intrigued as to why somebody would go to the > trouble to do such a thing over and over, but it just wouldn't be as > compelling. If you are familair with the work of Merzbow, Throbbing Gristle, Whitehouse, Masonna or any of the other noise musicians with excessive catalogue then you will be aware of the limited merits of this argument. If you aren't you could make this aassumption, which really places you squarely in the 'Rock/popular music' fan category. All you are revealing is that Jandek represents for you an 'extreme', this is only a justifiable proposition if you ignore avant garde or experimental musics, or at the very least deny their ability to be compelling. >In other words, the "mystery" can't exist in a vacuum. on > the other hand, I think the "mystery" is at least somewhat important to > the music. take will oldham for example. he's kind of mysterious (or, > more accurately, esoteric), but he does occasionally give interviews, he > performs in public, people know about him. why do people like will > oldham/palace/bonnie prince billy? he writes good songs, great lyrics, > he evokes an asthetic that a lot of people find beautiful (myself > included). could the same be said for jandek, assuming he were equally > well known as will oldham? I'm not so sure. I think jandek is capable > of writing great lyrics, and I think on his more abrasive, discordant > records (I Threw You Away, Six and Six) there are moments where the > sounds create a mood or mental image which, although not necessarily > musical, takes the listener to a different place. The ability of Jandek > to do that, I think, would by itself cause a good chunk of the "Jandek > experience" even if there were no real mystery. All said, I think the > two are sort of inextricably intertwined, the mystery and the music sort > of play off one another, and not always at the same time. the mystery I > think forces listeners to concentrate the music in much more detail-- > why harmonica on this record but not the last? what does that signify? > what are jandek's motives? what might he be feeling? Jandeks motives are seperate to ours as his adherents. Why do you need Jandek ? Because Jandek doesn't need us! > > whew, that was rambling. thoughts? > > evan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Greenberg [mailto:mark@mayfairrecordings.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:32 PM > To: Daniel Marks; jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > Subject: RE: Silver Jews Info > > > Ah, yes, I see what you mean. And you are right, it is half the mystery. > > I know this subject has come up a few times but... would the music have > the > same meaning and depth to us all if Jandek was not such a recluse and if > the > mystery were to be lifted? I do appreciate how many people on this list > seem > to want to defend that line Jandek has made for us and himself for which > we > are not supposed to cross. Is loving the mystery of it all half of the > Jandek experience? More than half? Not important to the music at all? > > -Mark > > > ------------------------------------------ > The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged, > confidential, and protected from disclosure. If you are not the > intended recipient, any further disclosure or use, dissemination, > distribution, or copying of this message or any attachment is strictly > prohibited. If you think that you have received this e-mail message in > error, please delete it and notify the sender. Colin Tudor PO Box 3 Whitland Dyfed SA34 0YU 01994-419-447 cod@wobblyweb.com http://www.virginradio107.co.uk/index.html Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8729 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 19:44:40 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 19:44:40 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:44:20 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92JiJv30638 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:44:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 8011 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 19:14:06 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 19:14:06 -0000 Received: from smtp1.libero.it ([193.70.192.51]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:12:51 -0500 Received: from pippo (151.24.163.101) by smtp1.libero.it (7.0.020-DD01) id 3F6F0E4800448326 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:13:18 +0200 From: "Fabio R." To: Subject: R: Silver Jews Info Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:17:34 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c38919$d9f362e0$65a31897@pippo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 19:12:52.0224 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D368000:01C38919] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I think records like Six and six, One foot in the snow, Telegraph Melts, Interstellar, Blue Corpse, ecc ecc could be *great* in every contest, every band (indie or not) who could have made them. Mystery has a part on the seduction, but is secondary business, for me. Visionary genius, in a word. The same reasons that makes me love records like "Spiderland", "Lorca", "2nd annual report", "White album", Ummagumma, and so on. Bye Fabio Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12803 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 22:08:41 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 22:08:41 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:08:36 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92M8Yr32590 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:08:34 -0500 Received: (qmail 11271 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 21:10:14 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 21:10:14 -0000 Received: from web41414.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.80]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:10:09 -0500 Message-ID: <20031002211007.47049.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.163.196.134] by web41414.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:10:07 PDT Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:10:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: RE: Silver Jews Info To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 21:10:09.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FDA2AD0:01C38929] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I agree. "Follow the music." D.M. --- "Knott, Evan T." wrote: > I don't think "loving the mystery of it all" is > necessarily half of the > Jandek experience, or necessarily more or less of > the experience. It is > a significant and, I'd say, integral or > indispensable (albeit > unquantifiable) component of the Jandek experience. > But I think the > music itself is an essential component of the > experience (again, albeit > unquantifiable). I mean, the records really are > pretty wide ranging in > their sound, moods, style, musicianship, etc., but > each has an artistic > essence integral to the "jandek experience" which, > without it, would > render the "mystery" irrelevant. for example, > suppose jandek released > 34 records that all sounded more or less like lou > reed's "metal machine > music". without getting into the merits of that > record, I think most > people might still be intrigued as to why somebody > would go to the > trouble to do such a thing over and over, but it > just wouldn't be as > compelling. In other words, the "mystery" can't > exist in a vacuum. on > the other hand, I think the "mystery" is at least > somewhat important to > the music. take will oldham for example. he's kind > of mysterious (or, > more accurately, esoteric), but he does occasionally > give interviews, he > performs in public, people know about him. why do > people like will > oldham/palace/bonnie prince billy? he writes good > songs, great lyrics, > he evokes an asthetic that a lot of people find > beautiful (myself > included). could the same be said for jandek, > assuming he were equally > well known as will oldham? I'm not so sure. I > think jandek is capable > of writing great lyrics, and I think on his more > abrasive, discordant > records (I Threw You Away, Six and Six) there are > moments where the > sounds create a mood or mental image which, although > not necessarily > musical, takes the listener to a different place. > The ability of Jandek > to do that, I think, would by itself cause a good > chunk of the "Jandek > experience" even if there were no real mystery. All > said, I think the > two are sort of inextricably intertwined, the > mystery and the music sort > of play off one another, and not always at the same > time. the mystery I > think forces listeners to concentrate the music in > much more detail-- > why harmonica on this record but not the last? what > does that signify? > what are jandek's motives? what might he be > feeling? > > whew, that was rambling. thoughts? > > evan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Greenberg > [mailto:mark@mayfairrecordings.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:32 PM > To: Daniel Marks; jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > Subject: RE: Silver Jews Info > > > Ah, yes, I see what you mean. And you are right, it > is half the mystery. > > I know this subject has come up a few times but... > would the music have > the > same meaning and depth to us all if Jandek was not > such a recluse and if > the > mystery were to be lifted? I do appreciate how many > people on this list > seem > to want to defend that line Jandek has made for us > and himself for which > we > are not supposed to cross. Is loving the mystery of > it all half of the > Jandek experience? More than half? Not important to > the music at all? > > -Mark > > > ------------------------------------------ > The information contained in this e-mail message may > be privileged, > confidential, and protected from disclosure. If you > are not the > intended recipient, any further disclosure or use, > dissemination, > distribution, or copying of this message or any > attachment is strictly > prohibited. If you think that you have received > this e-mail message in > error, please delete it and notify the sender. > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12907 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 22:08:44 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 22:08:44 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:08:39 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92M8cZ32614 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:08:38 -0500 Received: (qmail 11332 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 21:14:53 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 21:14:53 -0000 Received: from web41408.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.74]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:14:49 -0500 Message-ID: <20031002211448.77011.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.163.196.134] by web41408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:14:48 PDT Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: A new jandek cover To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20031002000738.18294.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 21:14:49.0395 (UTC) FILETIME=[36963030:01C3892A] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I agree. This makes up for the fact that the Flaming Lips will probably never do a Jandek cover. Aside from Wayne Coyne, it also reminded me of Willy Nelson as Jandek. Maybe that's because of the Nelson song I heard today... D.M. --- Joe Henry wrote: > Wow, great rendition. To my ear it's the best Jandek > cover yet. > > Summersteps@aol.com wrote:Hi, > For those who dug the Summersteps Jandek tribute, > there's a cover of "naked in the afternoon" by Jack > Norton now available at our website > www.summerstepsrecords.com/mp3s > > The song recently showed up in the mail and thought > folks might be interested in checking out. > > Take Care, > Eric > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 13386 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 22:10:13 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 22:10:13 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:08:49 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92M8mg32638 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:08:48 -0500 Received: (qmail 11741 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 21:26:42 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 21:26:42 -0000 Received: from web41413.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.79]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:24:51 -0500 Message-ID: <20031002212450.51641.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.163.196.134] by web41413.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:24:50 PDT Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:24:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: Why Do You Need Jandek ? To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20031002063725.14188.h011.c000.wm@mail.eggoffice.intranets.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 21:24:51.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D635E40:01C3892B] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk The only avant-garde musician I listen to is Jandek. I've heard others, and I don't like them. Something in Jandek's lyric and vocal delivery makes him unique even among unique people, and they keep me interested in the music. Why do I listen to Jandek...because it's crazy and illogical, often. It pisses people off, and I like that. When the time is right, it can take me a different time and place. Listening to "Graven Image" and its sequel, I sometimes feel taken into that driveway featured on both covers. Also, as a musician, Jandek gives me hope. Even someone as obscure and difficult as him can gain a following. Makes me feel like my band's got a good shot, if we hit the right places. I wonder if someone tried Jandek's method of promotion (i.e. sending boxes of records to people) with more acessible music, might it take off? D.M. --- Colin Tudor wrote: > On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:53:14 -0500, "Knott, Evan T." > wrote: > > > > > I don't think "loving the mystery of it all" is > necessarily half of the > > Jandek experience, or necessarily more or less of > the experience. It is > > a significant and, I'd say, integral or > indispensable (albeit > > unquantifiable) component of the Jandek > experience. > > Can the members of this list live with/acknowledge > that they are fetishising Jandek? > It seems obvious to me and I'm happy to admit it. He > is diifficult to discover, difficult to enjoy > and in many ways antithetical to perceived norms of > music exchange. This gives us all a thrill I > think > > >But I think the > > music itself is an essential component of the > experience (again, albeit > > unquantifiable). I mean, the records really are > pretty wide ranging in > > their sound, moods, style, musicianship, etc., but > each has an artistic > > essence integral to the "jandek experience" which, > without it, would > > render the "mystery" irrelevant. for example, > suppose jandek released > > 34 records that all sounded more or less like lou > reed's "metal machine > > music". without getting into the merits of that > record, I think most > > people might still be intrigued as to why somebody > would go to the > > trouble to do such a thing over and over, but it > just wouldn't be as > > compelling. > > If you are familair with the work of Merzbow, > Throbbing Gristle, Whitehouse, Masonna or any of the > other noise musicians with excessive catalogue then > you will be aware of the limited merits of this > argument. If you aren't you could make this > aassumption, which really places you squarely in the > 'Rock/popular music' fan category. All you are > revealing is that Jandek represents for you an > 'extreme', this is only a justifiable proposition if > you ignore avant garde or experimental musics, > or at the very least deny their ability to be > compelling. > > >In other words, the "mystery" can't exist in a > vacuum. on > > the other hand, I think the "mystery" is at least > somewhat important to > > the music. take will oldham for example. he's > kind of mysterious (or, > > more accurately, esoteric), but he does > occasionally give interviews, he > > performs in public, people know about him. why do > people like will > > oldham/palace/bonnie prince billy? he writes good > songs, great lyrics, > > he evokes an asthetic that a lot of people find > beautiful (myself > > included). could the same be said for jandek, > assuming he were equally > > well known as will oldham? I'm not so sure. I > think jandek is capable > > of writing great lyrics, and I think on his more > abrasive, discordant > > records (I Threw You Away, Six and Six) there are > moments where the > > sounds create a mood or mental image which, > although not necessarily > > musical, takes the listener to a different place. > The ability of Jandek > > to do that, I think, would by itself cause a good > chunk of the "Jandek > > experience" even if there were no real mystery. > All said, I think the > > two are sort of inextricably intertwined, the > mystery and the music sort > > of play off one another, and not always at the > same time. the mystery I > > think forces listeners to concentrate the music in > much more detail-- > > why harmonica on this record but not the last? > what does that signify? > > what are jandek's motives? what might he be > feeling? > > Jandeks motives are seperate to ours as his > adherents. > > Why do you need Jandek ? Because Jandek doesn't need > us! > > > > > whew, that was rambling. thoughts? > > > > evan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Greenberg > [mailto:mark@mayfairrecordings.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:32 PM > > To: Daniel Marks; jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > > Subject: RE: Silver Jews Info > > > > > > Ah, yes, I see what you mean. And you are right, > it is half the mystery. > > > > I know this subject has come up a few times but... > would the music have > > the > > same meaning and depth to us all if Jandek was not > such a recluse and if > > the > > mystery were to be lifted? I do appreciate how > many people on this list > > seem > > to want to defend that line Jandek has made for us > and himself for which > > we > > are not supposed to cross. Is loving the mystery > of it all half of the > > Jandek experience? More than half? Not important > to the music at all? > > > > -Mark > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > The information contained in this e-mail message > may be privileged, > > confidential, and protected from disclosure. If > you are not the > > intended recipient, any further disclosure or use, > dissemination, > > distribution, or copying of this message or any > attachment is strictly > > prohibited. If you think that you have received > this e-mail message in > > error, please delete it and notify the sender. > > Colin Tudor > PO Box 3 > Whitland > Dyfed SA34 0YU > > 01994-419-447 > > cod@wobblyweb.com > > http://www.virginradio107.co.uk/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14436 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 22:40:36 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 22:40:36 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:40:31 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92MeUH00607 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:40:30 -0500 Received: (qmail 13988 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 22:25:08 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 22:25:08 -0000 Received: from web60203.mail.yahoo.com ([216.109.118.98]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:25:03 -0500 Message-ID: <20031002222501.95391.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.41.100.16] by web60203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:25:01 PDT Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:25:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Henry Subject: Re: Why Do You Need Jandek ? To: Colin Tudor , jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20031002063725.14188.h011.c000.wm@mail.eggoffice.intranets.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2009687959-1065133501=:94519" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 22:25:03.0395 (UTC) FILETIME=[06538F30:01C38934] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --0-2009687959-1065133501=:94519 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Why do you need Jandek ? Because Jandek doesn't need us! The artistic equivalent of playing hard-to-get. Incidentally, I'm a big fan of Masonna. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-2009687959-1065133501=:94519 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

>Why do you need Jandek ? Because Jandek doesn't need us!

The artistic equivalent of playing hard-to-get.

Incidentally, I'm a big fan of Masonna.

Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-2009687959-1065133501=:94519-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14884 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 22:50:14 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 22:50:14 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:50:09 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h92Mo8Z00815 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:50:08 -0500 Received: (qmail 14806 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 22:44:58 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 22:44:58 -0000 Received: from web14501.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.224.64]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:44:52 -0500 Message-ID: <20031002224452.12400.qmail@web14501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.38.28.90] by web14501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:44:52 PDT Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:44:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Darnoo Dillvanmen Subject: RE: Why Do You Need Jandek ? To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-590315592-1065134692=:10648" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 22:44:53.0005 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB63A3D0:01C38936] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --0-590315592-1065134692=:10648 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii aren't you married to Masonna's sister? oh wait, that's MADONNA ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu [mailto:owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Joe Henry Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:25 PM To: Colin Tudor; jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Why Do You Need Jandek ? >Why do you need Jandek ? Because Jandek doesn't need us! The artistic equivalent of playing hard-to-get. Incidentally, I'm a big fan of Masonna. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-590315592-1065134692=:10648 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

aren't you married to Masonna's sister? oh wait, that's MADONNA ...

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu [mailto:owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Joe Henry
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:25 PM
To: Colin Tudor; jandek@cs.northwestern.edu
Subject: Re: Why Do You Need Jandek ?

>Why do you need Jandek ? Because Jandek doesn't need us!

The artistic equivalent of playing hard-to-get.

Incidentally, I'm a big fan of Masonna.

Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-590315592-1065134692=:10648-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 25194 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 00:06:52 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 00:06:52 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:06:19 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9306Ib01847 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:06:18 -0500 Received: (qmail 24591 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2003 23:32:17 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2003 23:32:17 -0000 Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.100]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:31:26 -0500 Received: from Summersteps@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.1c3.fa6b8c2 (15700) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.131]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v96.8) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d543f7cb54811c; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 19:31:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 19:31:20 -0400 From: Summersteps@aol.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: another jandek cover MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6689A142.221A5F04.411958E8@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 68.168.135.134 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 23:31:27.0020 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CC07EC0:01C3893D] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hello, Since a few of you liked the cover. I've posted another one. A cover of "Van Ness Mission" from Ross Beach. Check it out www.summerstepsrecords.com/mp3s -Eric Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19646 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 18:05:44 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 18:05:44 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:05:29 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94I5Sn25495 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:05:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 7743 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2003 20:07:44 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2003 20:07:44 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.27.47] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:07:00 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:06:59 -0700 Received: from 193.120.94.201 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 20:06:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.120.94.201] X-Originating-Email: [paulgcondon@hotmail.com] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: letter in the Wire Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 20:06:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2003 20:06:59.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[E75A35A0:01C389E9] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk There's a wonderfully evangelical letter in the latest issue of the Wire beseeching them to do an article on Jandek. It's from a Hoke Greiner - are you on the list? >aren't you married to Masonna's sister? oh wait, that's MADONNA ... Some friends of mine stayed with a Belgian guy whose wife's sister was married to Masonna... _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19995 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 18:12:30 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 18:12:30 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:12:27 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h94ICPT25705 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:12:25 -0500 Received: (qmail 18326 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 14:58:56 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 14:58:56 -0000 Received: from web12508.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.173.200]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:58:54 -0500 Message-ID: <20031004145853.14849.qmail@web12508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.148.234.143] by web12508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 07:58:53 PDT Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 07:58:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Rosevere Subject: ...yet another jandek cover To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <6689A142.221A5F04.411958E8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2003 14:58:54.0450 (UTC) FILETIME=[079E3520:01C38A88] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In case anyone's interested, here's my take on "One Minute": http://www.audiogalaxy.com/bands/fudgepoopy/1min.mp3 Each note corresponds to a drum or cymbal, played in the same order, creating a 'melody' or sorts. Some additional instruments flush it out a bit. Any comments are welcome. Thanks, ~~LR (aka Fudge) http://www.geocities.com/fudgeland/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 20453 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 16:10:07 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 16:10:07 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:07:36 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96G7ZP23548 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:07:35 -0500 Received: (qmail 21080 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 20:08:17 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2003 20:08:17 -0000 Received: from remt28.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.8.38]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:08:13 -0500 Received: from [24.197.128.74] (HELO charter.net) by remt28.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 14383428; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 16:07:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:08:08 -0400 Subject: Re: letter in the Wire Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-20--1055941228 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu To: "Paul Condon" From: "T. Greiner" In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <78D589B2-F6A6-11D7-A6BE-003065FBB11A@charter.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2003 20:08:13.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DAFDB20:01C38AB3] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail-20--1055941228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I am here. Just to prove what a small damned world it is. That letter to The Wire was begun out of ire--I'm a long-haired vegan and John Moloney (of Sunburned Hand of the Man) came off as such an asshole. But I couldn't just take the public piss and leave it at that, so negative. So I thought I'd sing some praises, float the name Jandek out there in the meme-centered media. It's funny. I really like many of the musicians mentioned in that article about the free-folk scene. And Charalambides, Six Organs, or Tower Recordings are the most evident and obvious inheritors of the Corwood aesthetic. When Wire editor Rob Young wrote me in August that my letter would be in a future issue, he said "Well we'd love to do something about Jandek but he doesn't do interviews." A point that he repeated in the October issue. But that is irrelevant and evasive. Young also wrote that his magazine had heard nothing else about the documentary. I wrote back about the Leeds premiere. I had just driven about 200 miles to Atlanta to see a screening of JOC, so I offered that of all the voices B. Coley's was the most resonant: Jandek as quasi-Nietzschean bluesman fighting "art as representation" for 25 years. So maybe we'll see more of Jandek or the doc in The Wire. As for me, I run a pizza restaurant in a very small Southern town. I have 31 of the albums on my iPod (not the 3 spoken-word) and I listen to them every day as I make dough and roll out pies. Yesterday it was "New Town", today maybe "Interstellar Discussion". More than music, it's art. Hoke Greiner On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 16:06 US/Eastern, Paul Condon wrote: > There's a wonderfully evangelical letter in the latest issue of the > Wire beseeching them to do an article on Jandek. It's from a Hoke > Greiner - are you on the list? --Apple-Mail-20--1055941228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I am here. Just to prove what a small damned world it is. That letter to The Wire was begun out of ire--I'm a long-haired vegan and John Moloney (of Sunburned Hand of the Man) came off as such an asshole. But I couldn't just take the public piss and leave it at that, so negative. So I thought I'd sing some praises, float the name Jandek out there in the meme-centered media. It's funny. I really like many of the musicians mentioned in that article about the free-folk scene. And Charalambides, Six Organs, or Tower Recordings are the most evident and obvious inheritors of the Corwood aesthetic. When Wire editor Rob Young wrote me in August that my letter would be in a future issue, he said "Well we'd love to do something about Jandek but he doesn't do interviews." A point that he repeated in the October issue. But that is irrelevant and evasive. Young also wrote that his magazine had heard nothing else about the documentary. I wrote back about the Leeds premiere. I had just driven about 200 miles to Atlanta to see a screening of JOC, so I offered that of all the voices B. Coley's was the most resonant: Jandek as quasi-Nietzschean bluesman fighting "art as representation" for 25 years. So maybe we'll see more of Jandek or the doc in The Wire. As for me, I run a pizza restaurant in a very small Southern town. I have 31 of the albums on my iPod (not the 3 spoken-word) and I listen to them every day as I make dough and roll out pies. Yesterday it was "New Town", today maybe "Interstellar Discussion". More than music, it's art. Hoke Greiner On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 16:06 US/Eastern, Paul Condon wrote: There's a wonderfully evangelical letter in the latest issue of the Wire beseeching them to do an article on Jandek. It's from a Hoke Greiner - are you on the list? --Apple-Mail-20--1055941228-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 20464 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 16:10:07 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 16:10:07 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:09:54 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h96G9rp23726 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:09:53 -0500 Received: (qmail 8598 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2003 20:54:38 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2003 20:54:38 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.27.101] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:54:34 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:54:34 -0700 Received: from 159.134.102.50 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:54:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [159.134.102.50] X-Originating-Email: [paulgcondon@hotmail.com] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: letter in the Wire Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:54:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2003 20:54:34.0001 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1650810:01C38B82] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >That letter to The Wire was begun out of ire--I'm a long-haired vegan and >John Moloney (of Sunburned Hand of the Man) came off as such an asshole. You're not the only one who thought this... >So maybe we'll see more of Jandek or the doc in The Wire. A Primer by Byron Coley would be nice... then again, as a Jandek fan I sometimes overestimate how interesting he is to non-fans... _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31106 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 04:03:41 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 04:03:41 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:03:02 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h97431O31570 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:03:01 -0500 Received: (qmail 30629 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 02:52:15 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 02:52:15 -0000 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.89]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:49:28 -0500 Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h972nN9D016055 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac.com (ip-24-197-128-074.spa.sc.charter.com [24.197.128.74]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin07/MantshX 3.0) with ESMTP id h972n2A1019404 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--859091373 Subject: THE WIRE letter: Jandek and a Pork Chop From: "T. Greiner" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2003 02:49:28.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[A053E840:01C38C7D] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail-6--859091373 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Below is the letter as I sent it to The Wire in mid-August--but let me=20= add that I'm not trying to stir the pot here on the list with the=20 Moloney bits (fact is, I'd highly recommend Sunburned Hand's Jaybird): Always good news when your magazine mentions the name Jandek--as = in=20 the cover story about the freek folk scene. But in the line-up=20 "Jandek, Sun City Girls and Loren MazzaCane Connors", I notice that=20 articles have been written about the Girls (The Wire 172) and Connors=20 (The Wire 170), yet nothing about Jandek. I know Byron Coley gave us a=20= page of reviews not too long ago, but we all know he's had a Jandek=20 loop playing in his head for years. Spanning twenty-five years, all thirty-four Jandek releases are = now in=20 print. And a documentary should see the light in September. Look for=20= Jandek at the intersection of Art & Blues. Come on! Spread the=20 gospel: Jandek has one more letter than Jesus. Concerning a few of Sunburned John Moloney's statements. "Fuck=20= hippies"? What a clich=E9 of the American underground. I remember when=20= SST Records used to sell the Pettibon poster "O.D. A Hippie" to the=20 suburban punks yet the label's bands--and guitarists like Kirkwood,=20 Ginn, Baiza, Troccoli--often owed more to McLaughlin, Garcia, or Cosey.=20= I was also reminded of last issue's interview with Michael Gira and=20 his description of the "fuck you hippy" insults he took at that LA punk=20= benefit. Moloney must get his typology from reruns of Mannix and Gomer=20 Pyle--you know, Raymond Burr busts the hippie tripping in a warehouse. =20= Me, I'm all for the return of the long-haired refusenik. But let's=20 rechristen them "Zippies" for a more nihilistic edge. Don't forget:=20 we're riding the Bush-Cheney Time Machine. Soon it'll be 1969 all over=20= again. Hey Moloney, I also didn't know that to have a "soul", you have = to eat=20 a pork chop. I may be vegan, but at least I don't claim the Beastie=20 Boys as my Great Awakening. Maybe he just wants Spike Jonze to film=20 the next bonfire.=20 =20= --Apple-Mail-6--859091373 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Below is the letter as I sent it to The Wire in mid-August--but let me add that I'm not trying to stir the pot here on the list with the Moloney bits (fact is, I'd highly recommend Sunburned Hand's Jaybird): Always good news when your magazine mentions the name Jandek--as = in the cover story about the freek folk scene. But in the line-up "Jandek, Sun City Girls and Loren MazzaCane Connors", I notice that articles have been written about the Girls (The Wire 172) and Connors (The Wire 170), yet nothing about Jandek. I know Byron Coley gave us a page of reviews not too long ago, but we all know he's had a Jandek loop playing in his head for years. =20 Spanning twenty-five years, all thirty-four Jandek releases are = now in print. And a documentary should see the light in September. Look for Jandek at the intersection of Art & Blues. Come on! Spread the gospel: Jandek has one more letter than Jesus. Concerning a few of Sunburned John Moloney's statements. "Fuck hippies"? What a clich=E9 of the American underground. I remember when SST Records used to sell the Pettibon poster "O.D. A Hippie" to the suburban punks yet the label's bands--and guitarists like Kirkwood, Ginn, Baiza, Troccoli--often owed more to McLaughlin, Garcia, or Cosey. I was also reminded of last issue's interview with Michael Gira and his description of the "fuck you hippy" insults he took at that LA punk benefit. Moloney must get his typology from reruns of = Mannix and Gomer Pyle--you know, Raymond Burr busts the hippie tripping in a warehouse. Me, I'm all for the return of the long-haired refusenik. But let's rechristen them "Zippies" for a more nihilistic edge. Don't forget: we're riding the Bush-Cheney Time Machine. Soon it'll be 1969 all over again. Hey Moloney, I also didn't know that to have a "soul", you have = to eat a pork chop. I may be vegan, but at least I don't claim the Beastie Boys as my Great Awakening. Maybe he just wants Spike Jonze to film the next bonfire. =20= --Apple-Mail-6--859091373-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31094 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 04:03:41 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 04:03:41 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:01:28 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9741Qq31402 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:01:26 -0500 Received: (qmail 21927 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 16:55:07 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 16:55:07 -0000 Received: from txf482.txmarfa.fsc.usda.gov ([199.157.189.191]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:53:43 -0500 Received: from tx.usda.gov (TXMARFA200D223.txmarfa.fsc.usda.gov [199.157.189.223]) by txf482.txmarfa.fsc.usda.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3/USDA-ITC $Revision: 1.6 $) with ESMTP id MAA03346; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:07:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3F819DA9.2A05447@tx.usda.gov> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:51:53 -0500 From: Derek Milner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "T. Greiner" CC: Paul Condon , jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: letter in the Wire References: <78D589B2-F6A6-11D7-A6BE-003065FBB11A@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2003 16:53:47.0711 (UTC) FILETIME=[6925DCF0:01C38C2A] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Has anyone scanned the text of the "New Weird America" article? It would be nice to read it and see what all the fuss is about without having to shell out eight bucks for what I believe to be a pretty worthless magazine. Hoke: I'd like to read your letter to the Wire if you wouldn't mind posting it to the list or sending it to me personally. Thanks. Derek "T. Greiner" wrote: > > I am here. Just to prove what a small damned world it is. > > That letter to The Wire was begun out of ire--I'm a long-haired vegan and John Moloney (of Sunburned Hand of the Man) came off as such an asshole. But I couldn't just take the public piss and leave it at that, so negative. So I thought I'd sing some praises, float the name Jandek out there in the meme-centered media. It's funny. I really like many of the musicians mentioned in that article about the free-folk scene. And Charalambides, Six Organs, or Tower Recordings are the most evident and obvious inheritors of the Corwood aesthetic. > > When Wire editor Rob Young wrote me in August that my letter would be in a future issue, he said "Well we'd love to do something about Jandek but he doesn't do interviews." A point that he repeated in the October issue. But that is irrelevant and evasive. Young also wrote that his magazine had heard nothing else about the documentary. I wrote back about the Leeds premiere. I had just driven about 200 miles to Atlanta to see a screening of JOC, so I offered that of all the voices B. Coley's was the most resonant: Jandek as quasi-Nietzschean bluesman fighting "art as representation" for 25 years. > > So maybe we'll see more of Jandek or the doc in The Wire. > > As for me, I run a pizza restaurant in a very small Southern town. I have 31 of the albums on my iPod (not the 3 spoken-word) and I listen to them every day as I make dough and roll out pies. Yesterday it was "New Town", today maybe "Interstellar Discussion". > > More than music, it's art. > > Hoke Greiner > > On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 16:06 US/Eastern, Paul Condon wrote: > > There's a wonderfully evangelical letter in the latest issue of the Wire beseeching them to do an article on Jandek. It's from a Hoke Greiner - are you on the list? Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31097 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 04:03:41 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 04:03:41 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:02:36 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9742YO31532 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:02:34 -0500 Received: (qmail 28910 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2003 22:23:09 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 6 Oct 2003 22:23:09 -0000 Received: from web41403.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.69]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:21:54 -0500 Message-ID: <20031006222154.91323.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.163.189.124] by web41403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:21:54 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:21:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: letter in the Wire To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2003 22:21:54.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F9B9F40:01C38C58] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk "More than music, it's art." I totally agree. D.M. --- Paul Condon wrote: > >That letter to The Wire was begun out of ire--I'm a > long-haired vegan and > >John Moloney (of Sunburned Hand of the Man) came > off as such an asshole. > > You're not the only one who thought this... > > >So maybe we'll see more of Jandek or the doc in The > Wire. > > A Primer by Byron Coley would be nice... then again, > as a Jandek fan I > sometimes overestimate how interesting he is to > non-fans... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3012 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 01:40:54 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 01:40:54 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:40:48 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h991ekN07298 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:40:46 -0500 Received: (qmail 2681 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 01:03:56 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 01:03:56 -0000 Received: from jive.SoftHome.net ([66.54.152.27]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:03:50 -0500 Received: (qmail 8204 invoked by uid 417); 9 Oct 2003 01:03:49 -0000 Received: from shunt-smtp-out-0 (HELO softhome.net) (172.16.3.12) by shunt-smtp-out-0 with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 01:03:49 -0000 Received: from xx ([213.106.175.56]) (AUTH: PLAIN arkhonia@softhome.net) by softhome.net with esmtp; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:03:48 -0600 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 02:02:29 +0100 From: arkhonia X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.46) Personal Reply-To: arkhonia X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <338558593.20031009020229@softhome.net> To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Ready for the House CD & vinyl comparison Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2003 01:03:50.0505 (UTC) FILETIME=[3367AD90:01C38E01] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > has anyone done a sonic comparison of the original LP > and the CD? The CD sounds somewhat like it may have been subjected to > aggressive digital hiss reduction -- "underwater" sound -- so I've always > wondered if the vinyl had the same acoustic... No one has answered this, so I thought I might offer my two cents' worth... The vinyl issue of Ready for the House does sound distinctly different to the CD reissue, specifically because of the noise reduction that has been used for all of the Jandek CD reissues - it is indeed 'aggressive', and is presumably to compensate for both the quietness of the original album and the amount of audible tape hiss. It sounds like the original tapes have been put through compression to level out the volume discrepancies, the aforementioned noise reduction has been applied, and then reverb has been added, making the strict guitar left/ vocals right stereo separation more central. And while the tape hiss is extreme by digital audio standards, it isn't intolerable to listen to - and listen *through*, as the original vinyl issues of the albums have audible detail that has been either lost in the remastering, or removed completely: there are lots of little guitar clicks and microphone bumps on Ready for the House that are almost inaudible on the CD, and one loud thump on First You Think Your Fortune's Lovely that has been excised completely, as well as the idiosyncratic CLUNK sounds that start and end many of the early Jandek tracks (I cannot identify what this sound is - footswitch? record button?), and which is missing on 5 tracks on the CD issue. All of the early Jandek albums have been mastered in the same way, and tracks that were noticeably quieter on the vinyl suffer the most extreme noise reduction on the CDs (Birthday and Nancy Sings are specific examples), and certain details have been edited out, such as the car passing on Nancy Sings and the mikestand clatter on Point Judith...I could go on (is anyone interested in an album-by-album comparison?)...but these little inadvertently recorded details adds a dimension to the albums that seems to be gone, at least in the CDs I've heard, and possibly by design rather than just to attain a 'cleaner' sound for the CD issues... This is my first post - sorry to go on - hope this is of some use. mailto:arkhonia@softhome.net Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10350 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 13:06:08 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 13:06:08 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:06:06 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99D65R14404 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:06:05 -0500 Received: (qmail 5960 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 06:26:48 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 06:26:48 -0000 Received: from smeagol.dreamhost.com ([66.33.209.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:26:40 -0500 Received: from dpen (adsl-68-75-165-99.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net [68.75.165.99]) by smeagol.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1764323FA2; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:26:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark Greenberg" To: "arkhonia" , Subject: RE: Ready for the House CD & vinyl comparison Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:26:59 -0500 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <338558593.20031009020229@softhome.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2003 06:26:40.0341 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CBA1850:01C38E2E] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk "as well as the idiosyncratic CLUNK sounds that start and end many of the early Jandek tracks (I cannot identify what this sound is - footswitch? record button?)" As a side note, yes, that clunk sound you mention is the tape deck being put into record. It sounds as if he is using an older reel to reel deck, probably a 70's TEAC 4 track. It has very specific sounds like that that are characteristic of those models. -Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu [mailto:owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu]On Behalf Of arkhonia Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:02 PM To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Ready for the House CD & vinyl comparison > has anyone done a sonic comparison of the original LP > and the CD? The CD sounds somewhat like it may have been subjected to > aggressive digital hiss reduction -- "underwater" sound -- so I've always > wondered if the vinyl had the same acoustic... No one has answered this, so I thought I might offer my two cents' worth... The vinyl issue of Ready for the House does sound distinctly different to the CD reissue, specifically because of the noise reduction that has been used for all of the Jandek CD reissues - it is indeed 'aggressive', and is presumably to compensate for both the quietness of the original album and the amount of audible tape hiss. It sounds like the original tapes have been put through compression to level out the volume discrepancies, the aforementioned noise reduction has been applied, and then reverb has been added, making the strict guitar left/ vocals right stereo separation more central. And while the tape hiss is extreme by digital audio standards, it isn't intolerable to listen to - and listen *through*, as the original vinyl issues of the albums have audible detail that has been either lost in the remastering, or removed completely: there are lots of little guitar clicks and microphone bumps on Ready for the House that are almost inaudible on the CD, and one loud thump on First You Think Your Fortune's Lovely that has been excised completely, as well as the idiosyncratic CLUNK sounds that start and end many of the early Jandek tracks (I cannot identify what this sound is - footswitch? record button?), and which is missing on 5 tracks on the CD issue. All of the early Jandek albums have been mastered in the same way, and tracks that were noticeably quieter on the vinyl suffer the most extreme noise reduction on the CDs (Birthday and Nancy Sings are specific examples), and certain details have been edited out, such as the car passing on Nancy Sings and the mikestand clatter on Point Judith...I could go on (is anyone interested in an album-by-album comparison?)...but these little inadvertently recorded details adds a dimension to the albums that seems to be gone, at least in the CDs I've heard, and possibly by design rather than just to attain a 'cleaner' sound for the CD issues... This is my first post - sorry to go on - hope this is of some use. mailto:arkhonia@softhome.net Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11616 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 13:58:27 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 13:58:27 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:57:07 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99Dv6015572 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:57:06 -0500 Received: (qmail 11548 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 13:56:26 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 13:56:26 -0000 Received: from juno.ultraservers.net ([216.218.202.15]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:56:23 -0500 Received: from pool-141-158-4-75.phil.east.verizon.net ([141.158.4.75]) by juno.ultraservers.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7bHA-0007eK-F8 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 06:56:20 -0700 X-Sender: phil+masstransfer.net@masstransfer.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:57:55 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Phil Subject: Re: Ready for the House CD & vinyl comparison X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - juno.ultraservers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - cs.northwestern.edu X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - masstransfer.net X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2003 13:56:23.0903 (UTC) FILETIME=[202EE6F0:01C38E6D] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Thanks so much to Arkhonia for that great post. I think that an album-by-album comparison is a great idea, and once it's been posted, would make a nice addition to the website too. I've already noticed some significant differences between my new CD of Lost Cause and the MP3s I have of the vinyl LP, and I imagine there's a lot in that vein to be made note of ("of which to be made note"?) throughout Jandek's pre-CD catalogue. I find myself really wanting to hear the sound of the original Ready for the House vinyl now -- the CD sounds borderline mangled, whereas at least Lost Cause doesn't seem to have much in the way of aggressive remastering. (Pipe dream: maybe some listmember with lots of free time should try to organize a CDR tree of rips of the original LPs?) -- Phil Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 18285 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 19:38:07 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 19:38:07 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:37:21 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99JbKJ20667 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:37:20 -0500 Received: (qmail 18253 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 19:36:30 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 19:36:30 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.27.116] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:36:26 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:36:25 -0700 Received: from 193.120.95.67 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:36:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.120.95.67] X-Originating-Email: [paulgcondon@hotmail.com] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Ready for the House CD & vinyl comparison Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:36:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2003 19:36:25.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0A1B360:01C38E9C] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >is anyone interested in an album-by-album comparison? Hell yes, I previously asked if anyone could do this, to no avail. >at least Lost Cause doesn't seem to have much in the way of aggressive >remastering. Of the vinyl or cdrs of vinyl I have, I actually think this is the most extreme example of this that I've heard. Jandek seems to have come to terms with the noise reduction (or is using a different system), thereby avoiding that burbling sound (I think this is quite a nice effect at times, especially on A Dozen Drops). But side one is a bit too clean and loses lots of atmosphere, and the way The Electric End is panned is just bizarre... if I'm not mistaken (and I've yet to do a direct comparison), the original features a guitar in each channel, but both of them are panned to one side on the cd. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19966 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 20:47:36 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 20:47:36 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:47:31 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99KlUD21876 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:47:30 -0500 Received: (qmail 19913 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 20:46:43 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 20:46:43 -0000 Received: from web60207.mail.yahoo.com ([216.109.118.102]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:45:34 -0500 Message-ID: <20031009204200.45842.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.40.155.89] by web60207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:42:00 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:42:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Henry Subject: Re: Ready for the House CD & vinyl comparison To: Paul Condon , jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1668871523-1065732120=:45365" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2003 20:45:34.0191 (UTC) FILETIME=[494B8FF0:01C38EA6] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --0-1668871523-1065732120=:45365 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, I'm definitely not the audiophile-type who usually notices/investigates these things, but even I cannot help but notice the poor job Jandek has done in the vinyl-to-cd transfers. Also, this has been brought up before, but on the reissue of "Follow Your Footsteps", the Frank Zappa quote "Caledonia mahoganies elbows" was cut from the beginning of "Bring On Fatima". Paul Condon wrote: >is anyone interested in an album-by-album comparison? Hell yes, I previously asked if anyone could do this, to no avail. >at least Lost Cause doesn't seem to have much in the way of aggressive >remastering. Of the vinyl or cdrs of vinyl I have, I actually think this is the most extreme example of this that I've heard. Jandek seems to have come to terms with the noise reduction (or is using a different system), thereby avoiding that burbling sound (I think this is quite a nice effect at times, especially on A Dozen Drops). But side one is a bit too clean and loses lots of atmosphere, and the way The Electric End is panned is just bizarre... if I'm not mistaken (and I've yet to do a direct comparison), the original features a guitar in each channel, but both of them are panned to one side on the cd. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1668871523-1065732120=:45365 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Well, I'm definitely not the audiophile-type who usually notices/investigates these things, but even I cannot help but notice the poor job Jandek has done in the vinyl-to-cd transfers. Also, this has been brought up before, but on the reissue of "Follow Your Footsteps", the Frank Zappa quote "Caledonia mahoganies elbows" was cut from the beginning of "Bring On Fatima".

Paul Condon <paulgcondon@hotmail.com> wrote:
>is anyone interested in an album-by-album comparison?

Hell yes, I previously asked if anyone could do this, to no avail.

>at least Lost Cause doesn't seem to have much in the way of aggressive
>remastering.

Of the vinyl or cdrs of vinyl I have, I actually think this is the most
extreme example of this that I've heard. Jandek seems to have come to terms
with the noise reduction (or is using a different system), thereby avoiding
that burbling sound (I think this is quite a nice effect at times,
especially on A Dozen Drops). But side one is a bit too clean and loses lots
of atmosphere, and the way The Electric End is panned is just bizarre... if
I'm not mistaken (and I've yet to do a direct comparison), the original
features a guitar in each channel, but both of them are panned to one side
on the cd.

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Shopping - with improved product search --0-1668871523-1065732120=:45365-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 20754 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 21:11:25 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 21:11:25 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:11:20 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99LBJX22537 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:11:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 20728 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 21:10:26 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 21:10:26 -0000 Received: from web41407.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.73]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:10:21 -0500 Message-ID: <20031009211021.6622.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.163.218.206] by web41407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:10:21 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:10:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: Ready for the House CD & vinyl comparison To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20031009204200.45842.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2003 21:10:21.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[C014ED40:01C38EA9] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I don't think it's right to say that Jandek did a bad job on his own reissues. Clearly, he's happy with the way they came out; that must be how we wanted them to sound originally. We'll have to accept that, just as we accept the fact that he doesn't tune his guitar most of the time. So, discordant music is "art", but bad sound engineering is just unacceptable? This sounds more than a bit hipocritical to me. Don't forget who we're dealing with. He can't be any better at digital sound editing than he is at playing the guitar. D.M. --- Joe Henry wrote: > Well, I'm definitely not the audiophile-type who > usually notices/investigates these things, but even > I cannot help but notice the poor job Jandek has > done in the vinyl-to-cd transfers. Also, this has > been brought up before, but on the reissue of > "Follow Your Footsteps", the Frank Zappa quote > "Caledonia mahoganies elbows" was cut from the > beginning of "Bring On Fatima". > > Paul Condon wrote: > >is anyone interested in an album-by-album > comparison? > > Hell yes, I previously asked if anyone could do > this, to no avail. > > >at least Lost Cause doesn't seem to have much in > the way of aggressive > >remastering. > > Of the vinyl or cdrs of vinyl I have, I actually > think this is the most > extreme example of this that I've heard. Jandek > seems to have come to terms > with the noise reduction (or is using a different > system), thereby avoiding > that burbling sound (I think this is quite a nice > effect at times, > especially on A Dozen Drops). But side one is a bit > too clean and loses lots > of atmosphere, and the way The Electric End is > panned is just bizarre... if > I'm not mistaken (and I've yet to do a direct > comparison), the original > features a guitar in each channel, but both of them > are panned to one side > on the cd. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22427 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 22:41:35 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 22:41:35 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:41:26 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99MfPh23852 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:41:25 -0500 Received: (qmail 22302 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 22:37:46 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 22:37:46 -0000 Received: from web60203.mail.yahoo.com ([216.109.118.98]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:37:41 -0500 Message-ID: <20031009212908.80816.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.40.155.89] by web60203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:29:08 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:29:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Henry Subject: Re: Ready for the House CD & vinyl comparison To: Daniel Marks , jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20031009211021.6622.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-814808668-1065734948=:79998" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2003 22:37:41.0331 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2FBAA30:01C38EB5] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --0-814808668-1065734948=:79998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I take issue with the idea that the re-issues are how Jandek originally wanted the albums to sound like. Is it so hard to believe that a guy who produces his own albums, using generic recording equipment on his own label, cut some corners with the sound work? And comparing Jandek's guitar tuning to the sound quality of the reissues makes for shakey ground for your argument, as one is obviously more of an intentional and integral part of the work than the other. I never said "Shame on you, Jandek, for your incompetance in the art of sound transfer!", because as I stated in the beginning of the message, slight differences in sound qualities barely matter to me, and rarely is it do I even notice them. Daniel Marks wrote: I don't think it's right to say that Jandek did a bad job on his own reissues. Clearly, he's happy with the way they came out; that must be how we wanted them to sound originally. We'll have to accept that, just as we accept the fact that he doesn't tune his guitar most of the time. So, discordant music is "art", but bad sound engineering is just unacceptable? This sounds more than a bit hipocritical to me. Don't forget who we're dealing with. He can't be any better at digital sound editing than he is at playing the guitar. D.M. --- Joe Henry wrote: > Well, I'm definitely not the audiophile-type who > usually notices/investigates these things, but even > I cannot help but notice the poor job Jandek has > done in the vinyl-to-cd transfers. Also, this has > been brought up before, but on the reissue of > "Follow Your Footsteps", the Frank Zappa quote > "Caledonia mahoganies elbows" was cut from the > beginning of "Bring On Fatima". > > Paul Condon wrote: > >is anyone interested in an album-by-album > comparison? > > Hell yes, I previously asked if anyone could do > this, to no avail. > > >at least Lost Cause doesn't seem to have much in > the way of aggressive > >remastering. > > Of the vinyl or cdrs of vinyl I have, I actually > think this is the most > extreme example of this that I've heard. Jandek > seems to have come to terms > with the noise reduction (or is using a different > system), thereby avoiding > that burbling sound (I think this is quite a nice > effect at times, > especially on A Dozen Drops). But side one is a bit > too clean and loses lots > of atmosphere, and the way The Electric End is > panned is just bizarre... if > I'm not mistaken (and I've yet to do a direct > comparison), the original > features a guitar in each channel, but both of them > are panned to one side > on the cd. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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I take issue with the idea that the re-issues are how Jandek originally wanted the albums to sound like. Is it so hard to believe that a guy who produces his own albums, using generic recording equipment on his own label, cut some corners with the sound work? And comparing Jandek's guitar tuning to the sound quality of the reissues makes for shakey ground for your argument, as one is obviously more of an intentional and integral part of the work than the other.
I never said "Shame on you, Jandek, for your incompetance in the art of sound transfer!", because as I stated in the beginning of the message, slight differences in sound qualities barely matter to me, and rarely is it do I even notice them.

Daniel Marks <alfredggnome@yahoo.com> wrote:
I don't think it's right to say that Jandek did a bad
job on his own reissues. Clearly, he's happy with the
way they came out; that must be how we wanted them to
sound originally. We'll have to accept that, just as
we accept the fact that he doesn't tune his guitar
most of the time.

So, discordant music is "art", but bad sound
engineering is just unacceptable? This sounds more
than a bit hipocritical to me. Don't forget who we're
dealing with. He can't be any better at digital sound
editing than he is at playing the guitar.

D.M.

--- Joe Henry wrote:
> Well, I'm definitely not the audiophile-type who
> usually notices/investigates these things, but even
> I cannot help but notice the poor job Jandek has
> done in the vinyl-to-cd transfers. Also, this has
> been brought up before , but on the reissue of
> "Follow Your Footsteps", the Frank Zappa quote
> "Caledonia mahoganies elbows" was cut from the
> beginning of "Bring On Fatima".
>
> Paul Condon wrote:
> >is anyone interested in an album-by-album
> comparison?
>
> Hell yes, I previously asked if anyone could do
> this, to no avail.
>
> >at least Lost Cause doesn't seem to have much in
> the way of aggressive
> >remastering.
>
> Of the vinyl or cdrs of vinyl I have, I actually
> think this is the most
> extreme example of this that I've heard. Jandek
> seems to have come to terms
> with the noise reduction (or is using a different
> system), thereby avoiding
> that burbling sound (I think this is quite a nice
> effect at times,
> especially on A Dozen Drops). But side one is a bit
> too clean and loses lots
> o f atmosphere, and the way The Electric End is
> panned is just bizarre... if
> I'm not mistaken (and I've yet to do a direct
> comparison), the original
> features a guitar in each channel, but both of them
> are panned to one side
> on the cd.
>
>
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The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-814808668-1065734948=:79998-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22811 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 22:45:10 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 22:45:10 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:44:47 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h99MijS24018 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:44:45 -0500 Received: (qmail 22763 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 22:43:04 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 22:43:04 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.244.100] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:42:58 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:42:58 -0700 Received: from 216.232.173.176 by bay1-dav42.bay1.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:42:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.232.173.176] X-Originating-Email: [magneticring@hotmail.com] User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:44:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Ready for the House CD & vinyl comparison From: "Josh." To: Daniel Marks , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031009211021.6622.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2003 22:42:58.0351 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFF113F0:01C38EB6] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > So, discordant music is "art", but bad sound > engineering is just unacceptable? This sounds more > than a bit hipocritical to me. Don't forget who we're > dealing with. He can't be any better at digital sound > editing than he is at playing the guitar. > There's an aesthetic behind his guitar playing. The is no aesthetic in using bad noise reduction devices... It would be nice if the reissues where more natural sounding. And his guitar is not "out of tune" Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24782 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 01:21:16 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 01:21:16 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:21:09 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9A1L7125539 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:21:07 -0500 Received: (qmail 24515 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 00:57:52 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 00:57:52 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.21.64] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:57:03 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:57:03 -0700 Received: from 12.216.224.202 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:57:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.216.224.202] X-Originating-Email: [kisseverycomma@hotmail.com] From: "john brown" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Jandek Day is around the corner... Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:57:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2003 00:57:03.0130 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B00EFA0:01C38EC9] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk
November 5th is less than a month away... time to start planning how you're going to celebrate.  Pilgramige to Houston?  On the phone with the local college radio station demanding 'House Up On the Hill'?  (Finally) getting that Jandek tattoo you've been planning all these years?

What's in the mix?

(you can grab a PDF of the proclamation at http://www.jandekoncorwood.com/pdfs/proclimation.pdf (I'm assuming the misspelling in the URL is part of some larger conceptual piece of art).

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Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 25075 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 01:21:41 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 01:21:41 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:21:35 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9A1LXX25575 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:21:33 -0500 Received: (qmail 23726 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 23:35:04 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 9 Oct 2003 23:35:04 -0000 Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.98]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:34:58 -0500 Received: from Summersteps@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.1db.123e06b2 (15889) for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-d18.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.134]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v96.8) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-3e113f85f09c1b0; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:34:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:34:52 -0400 From: Summersteps@aol.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <52DF7EA4.79E7ADBE.411958E8@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 24.49.74.57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2003 23:34:58.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3E6FAF0:01C38EBD] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hello, Jandek for me has always been about the vibe. Instead of what channel the guitar is in, or weather he bumps the mic before or during a particular song. Plus this music has always been all about how Corwood chooses to present it. For those who really want to get all the nuances of the LPs, go out and buy them on eBay and make someone else a lot of money. I'd rather give my dollar to Corwood. My two cents, anyway. -Eric Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 28115 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 04:13:30 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 04:13:30 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:13:22 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9A4DKd28022 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:13:20 -0500 Received: (qmail 27747 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 04:06:06 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 04:06:06 -0000 Received: from web42002.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.170]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:05:59 -0500 Message-ID: <20031010020737.68468.qmail@web42002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.128.86.25] by web42002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:07:37 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:07:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "P.T. Swope" Subject: Re: Ready for the House CD & vinyl comparison To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20031009211021.6622.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2003 04:05:59.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[CFE1FBC0:01C38EE3] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk If Steve Albini is lurking on this list, please jump in now! --- Daniel Marks wrote: > I don't think it's right to say that Jandek did a > bad > job on his own reissues. Clearly, he's happy with > the > way they came out; that must be how we wanted them > to > sound originally. We'll have to accept that, just as > we accept the fact that he doesn't tune his guitar > most of the time. > > So, discordant music is "art", but bad sound > engineering is just unacceptable? This sounds more > than a bit hipocritical to me. Don't forget who > we're > dealing with. He can't be any better at digital > sound > editing than he is at playing the guitar. > > D.M. > > --- Joe Henry wrote: > > Well, I'm definitely not the audiophile-type who > > usually notices/investigates these things, but > even > > I cannot help but notice the poor job Jandek has > > done in the vinyl-to-cd transfers. Also, this has > > been brought up before, but on the reissue of > > "Follow Your Footsteps", the Frank Zappa quote > > "Caledonia mahoganies elbows" was cut from the > > beginning of "Bring On Fatima". > > > > Paul Condon wrote: > > >is anyone interested in an album-by-album > > comparison? > > > > Hell yes, I previously asked if anyone could do > > this, to no avail. > > > > >at least Lost Cause doesn't seem to have much in > > the way of aggressive > > >remastering. > > > > Of the vinyl or cdrs of vinyl I have, I actually > > think this is the most > > extreme example of this that I've heard. Jandek > > seems to have come to terms > > with the noise reduction (or is using a different > > system), thereby avoiding > > that burbling sound (I think this is quite a nice > > effect at times, > > especially on A Dozen Drops). But side one is a > bit > > too clean and loses lots > > of atmosphere, and the way The Electric End is > > panned is just bizarre... if > > I'm not mistaken (and I've yet to do a direct > > comparison), the original > > features a guitar in each channel, but both of > them > > are panned to one side > > on the cd. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > > FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! 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Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5140 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 16:02:42 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 16:02:42 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:02:39 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h9AG2cb03323 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:02:38 -0500 Received: (qmail 3715 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2003 14:57:28 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 10 Oct 2003 14:57:28 -0000 Received: from frodo.dreamhost.com ([66.33.209.11]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:57:25 -0500 Received: from dpen (adsl-68-75-177-161.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net [68.75.177.161]) by frodo.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2440B13BE4; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:57:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark Greenberg" To: "Daniel Marks" , Subject: RE: Ready for the House CD & vinyl comparison Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:57:37 -0500 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20031009211021.6622.qmail@web41407.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2003 14:57:25.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0F1FCD0:01C38F3E] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I agree, we must take what is given to a certain extent when we are t