Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2740 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 18:30:15 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 May 2003 18:30:15 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 1 May 2003 13:30:10 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41IU8Z26281 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 1 May 2003 13:30:08 -0500 Received: (qmail 2698 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 18:26:26 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 May 2003 18:26:26 -0000 Received: from jhuml4.jhu.edu ([128.220.2.67]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 1 May 2003 13:26:22 -0500 Received: from jhuml4.jhu.edu (jhuml4.jhu.edu [128.220.2.67]) by jhuml4.jhu.edu (PMDF V6.1 #47563) with SMTP id <0HE800KUH0HBDY@jhuml4.jhu.edu> for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 01 May 2003 14:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhuml4.jhu.edu ([128.220.2.67]) by jhuml4.jhu.edu (SAVSMTP 3.1.0.29) with SMTP id M2003050114261909192 for ; Thu, 01 May 2003 14:26:19 -0400 Received: from circ04.mse.jhu.edu (circ04.mse.jhu.edu [128.220.8.56]) by jhuml4.jhu.edu (PMDF V6.1 #47563) id <0HE800L010JVNW@jhuml4.jhu.edu> (original mail from lgielec@mse.jhu.edu) for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 01 May 2003 14:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from circ04.mse.jhu.edu (circ04.mse.jhu.edu [128.220.8.56]) by jhuml4.jhu.edu (PMDF V6.1 #47563) with ESMTP id <0HE800L4P0JVDE@jhuml4.jhu.edu> for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 01 May 2003 14:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:26:18 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Linda Gielec Subject: Re: Carnival Queen/Blue Blister In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: lgielec@flux.mse.jhu.edu To: Paul Condon Cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2003 18:26:22.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AC281D0:01C3100F] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i imagine most know this, but it's interesting you point out the religiousness of the lyrics. it was covered by Low. and Low is a band comprised of Mormans. i'm really quite fond of the low version. someone on this list made me a copy of jandek's version as the only version i'd heard till then was Low's. Many Thanks!!! =3D], lindalu. On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Paul Condon wrote: > Here's my take on Carnival Queen, an excellent and haunting song that I > previously paid little attention to as it's hidden away on one of my leas= t > listened to albums. An interesting lyric - this is the only one I can thi= nk > of where Jandek uses lots of religious imagery in what's basically a love > song (of sorts). He seems to be casting himself as a martyr here. > > CARNIVAL QUEEN > Carnival queen > All the ghosts lay by your side > Moaning, groaning songs of woe > Carnival queen > Your hair is on fire > Your arrows pierce my bones > Angel, madonna > Your eyes are on fire > Breathing quiet prayers > Angel, madonna > You breathe > Pumping life into my veins > Carnival queen > All the ghosts stay by your side > Moaning, groaning songs of woe > Carnival queen > Your hair is on fire > Your nails pierce my palms > > The lyrics of Blue Blister from Chair... are given on the site as: > "I was lightin=92 on fire one night / Smokin=92 cigarettes" > However, on the cd, only the first line is used. Is this a different take > (!), or was the line just edited out? Maybe Jandek didn't want to encoura= ge > smoking amongst his younger, more impressionable fans (WWJD?)... It could= be > a bit of revisionism in the light of his frugality as expressed in lyrics > such as that of You Know You Need: "You=92d be surprised at how simple yo= ur > intake can be / You got to clean out the house / Take out all the things = you > don=92t want". > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/virus > Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6110 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 21:55:35 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 May 2003 21:55:35 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 1 May 2003 16:55:30 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h41LtS229948 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 1 May 2003 16:55:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 5859 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 21:53:06 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 May 2003 21:53:06 -0000 Received: from web41402.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.68]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 1 May 2003 16:53:00 -0500 Message-ID: <20030501215256.9731.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.160.145.190] by web41402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 May 2003 14:52:56 PDT Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:52:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: i may not be around To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2003 21:53:00.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[08AC9780:01C3102C] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk lyrics to that song on "somdebody in the snow" sung by the woman in a very drunken way: Da-da-da-da-da-da Da-da-da-da-da-da Fire in the hole (??) ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Count me once Count me twice You better not count me three times You better just---wait and see I may not be around for long I'm takin' the next train or plane To right To wrong To right To wrong I'm gonna ??? to ??? be a ??? ??? ??? while you're missing me ??? ??? You're gonna miss me oh lord I know you're gonna miss me I'm nowhere at all ??? ??? ??? switching ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? ??? ?? ??? it was didfficult to make out. this is the best i could do. D.M. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 17109 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 16:52:45 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 May 2003 16:52:45 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 2 May 2003 11:52:42 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42Gqf608253 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 2 May 2003 11:52:41 -0500 Received: (qmail 17017 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 16:49:32 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 May 2003 16:49:32 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.27.82] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 2 May 2003 11:49:29 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 May 2003 09:49:29 -0700 Received: from 193.120.45.146 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 May 2003 16:49:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.120.45.146] X-Originating-Email: [paulgcondon@hotmail.com] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Mojo mentions Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 16:49:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2003 16:49:29.0048 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC1E4580:01C310CA] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Short mention of the documentary in the news pages of the current issue of Mojo (Paul McCartney on the cover). Just mentions that it's due in September and that the filmmakers promise it gets nowhere near to the truth about Jandek. Also discovered a mention in an old issue of Mojo, can't remember the date, but New Order are on the cover. There's an article on psych fanzines, and one (not sure if it was Ptolemaic Terrascope or Galactic Zoo Dossier) featured trading cards of leftfield guitar heroes, and one of the pictured examples is Jandek, featuring a line drawing based on the Living End cover and a short biog. Paul _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19692 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 19:53:37 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 May 2003 19:53:37 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 2 May 2003 14:53:34 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42JrWb10411 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 2 May 2003 14:53:32 -0500 Received: (qmail 19663 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 19:52:51 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 May 2003 19:52:51 -0000 Received: from web41401.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.67]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 2 May 2003 14:52:47 -0500 Message-ID: <20030502195246.69200.qmail@web41401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.162.241.3] by web41401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 May 2003 12:52:46 PDT Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:52:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: Mojo mentions To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2003 19:52:47.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[678D7EA0:01C310E4] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i totally want that trading card. D.M. --- Paul Condon wrote: > Short mention of the documentary in the news pages > of the current issue of > Mojo (Paul McCartney on the cover). Just mentions > that it's due in September > and that the filmmakers promise it gets nowhere near > to the truth about > Jandek. > Also discovered a mention in an old issue of Mojo, > can't remember the date, > but New Order are on the cover. There's an article > on psych fanzines, and > one (not sure if it was Ptolemaic Terrascope or > Galactic Zoo Dossier) > featured trading cards of leftfield guitar heroes, > and one of the pictured > examples is Jandek, featuring a line drawing based > on the Living End cover > and a short biog. > > Paul > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 20069 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 19:59:33 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 May 2003 19:59:33 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 2 May 2003 14:59:29 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42JxS510467 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 2 May 2003 14:59:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 20055 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 19:59:13 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 May 2003 19:59:13 -0000 Received: from mailsrv2.leoburnett.com ([63.115.251.15]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 2 May 2003 14:59:09 -0500 Received: from gwlbc.leoburnett.com ([10.75.76.56]) by mailsrv2.leoburnett.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.6) with ESMTP id h42JvIe17148 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 14:57:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LBC-MTA by gwlbc.leoburnett.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 02 May 2003 14:59:05 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 14:58:57 -0500 From: "Aaron Aldorisio" To: , Subject: Re: Mojo mentions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2003 19:59:09.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B68F230:01C310E5] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk trading card is in the last issue of galactic zoo dossier (along with a ton of other cool cards, like skip spence!) which you can get through drag city or a ton of other places. >>> Daniel Marks 05/02/03 02:52PM >>> i totally want that trading card. D.M. --- Paul Condon wrote: > Short mention of the documentary in the news pages > of the current issue of > Mojo (Paul McCartney on the cover). Just mentions > that it's due in September > and that the filmmakers promise it gets nowhere near > to the truth about > Jandek. > Also discovered a mention in an old issue of Mojo, > can't remember the date, > but New Order are on the cover. There's an article > on psych fanzines, and > one (not sure if it was Ptolemaic Terrascope or > Galactic Zoo Dossier) > featured trading cards of leftfield guitar heroes, > and one of the pictured > examples is Jandek, featuring a line drawing based > on the Living End cover > and a short biog. > > Paul > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21357 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 21:00:37 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 May 2003 21:00:37 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 2 May 2003 16:00:33 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42L0Wn11094 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:00:32 -0500 Received: (qmail 21329 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 20:59:33 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 May 2003 20:59:33 -0000 Received: from web20713.mail.yahoo.com ([66.163.169.154]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 2 May 2003 15:59:29 -0500 Message-ID: <20030502205928.59102.qmail@web20713.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.219.202.38] by web20713.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 May 2003 13:59:28 PDT Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 13:59:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "P.T. Swope" Subject: Re: Mojo mentions To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-787937451-1051909168=:58247" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2003 20:59:29.0351 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8FEDD70:01C310ED] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --0-787937451-1051909168=:58247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That magazine was frighteningly overpriced from what I remember...I probably paid $10-$15 for it, and the Jandek trading card was the high point. Jandek was mentioned in Mojo just a few months ago, in the "greatest outsider albums" article (but they weren't recommending one of his albums, he was more of a literary device). Aaron Aldorisio wrote:trading card is in the last issue of galactic zoo dossier (along with a ton of other cool cards, like skip spence!) which you can get through drag city or a ton of other places. >>> Daniel Marks 05/02/03 02:52PM >>> i totally want that trading card. D.M. --- Paul Condon wrote: > Short mention of the documentary in the news pages > of the current issue of > Mojo (Paul McCartney on the cover). Just mentions > that it's due in September > and that the filmmakers promise it gets nowhere near > to the truth about > Jandek. > Also discovered a mention in an old issue of Mojo, > can't remember the date, > but New Order are on the cover. There's an article > on psych fanzines, and > one (not sure if it was Ptolemaic Terrascope or > Galactic Zoo Dossier) > featured trading cards of leftfield guitar heroes, > and one of the pictured > examples is Jandek, featuring a line drawing based > on the Living End cover > and a short biog. > > Paul > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. 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That magazine was frighteningly overpriced from what I remember...I probably paid $10-$15 for it, and the Jandek trading card was the high point.
Jandek was mentioned in Mojo just a few months ago, in the "greatest outsider albums" article (but they weren't recommending one of his albums, he was more of a literary device).

Aaron Aldorisio <Aaron.Aldorisio@StarcomWorldWide.com> wrote:
trading card is in the last issue of galactic zoo dossier (along with a
ton of other cool cards, like skip spence!) which you can get through
drag city or a ton of other places.

>>> Daniel Marks 05/02/03 02:52PM >>>
i totally want that trading card.

D.M.
--- Paul Condon wrote:
> Short mention of the documentary in the news pages
> of the current issue of
> Mojo (Paul McCartney on the cover). Just mentions
> that it's due in September
> and that the filmmakers promise it gets nowhere near
> to the truth about
> Jandek.
> Also discovered a mention in an old issue of Mojo,
> can't remember the date,
> but New Order are on the cover. There's an article
> on psych fanzines, and
> one (not sure if it was Ptolemaic Terrascope or< B! R>> Galactic Zoo Dossier)
> featured trading cards of leftfield guitar heroes,
> and one of the pictured
> examples is Jandek, featuring a line drawing based
> on the Living End cover
> and a short biog.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
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Bingo. --0-787937451-1051909168=:58247-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21719 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 21:10:34 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 May 2003 21:10:34 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 2 May 2003 16:10:30 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h42LASU11167 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:10:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 21646 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 21:04:57 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 May 2003 21:04:57 -0000 Received: from mailsrv2.leoburnett.com ([63.115.251.15]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 2 May 2003 16:04:49 -0500 Received: from gwlbc.leoburnett.com ([10.75.76.56]) by mailsrv2.leoburnett.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.6) with ESMTP id h42L2we08640 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:02:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LBC-MTA by gwlbc.leoburnett.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 02 May 2003 16:04:45 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 16:04:41 -0500 From: "Aaron Aldorisio" To: , Subject: Re: Mojo mentions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2003 21:04:52.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[79DAA920:01C310EE] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk the magazine is a bit pricey, but it comes with a pretty good cd and it's all handrawn. i think it's worth it. >>> "P.T. Swope" 05/02/03 03:59PM >>> That magazine was frighteningly overpriced from what I remember...I probably paid $10-$15 for it, and the Jandek trading card was the high point. Jandek was mentioned in Mojo just a few months ago, in the "greatest outsider albums" article (but they weren't recommending one of his albums, he was more of a literary device). Aaron Aldorisio wrote:trading card is in the last issue of galactic zoo dossier (along with a ton of other cool cards, like skip spence!) which you can get through drag city or a ton of other places. >>> Daniel Marks 05/02/03 02:52PM >>> i totally want that trading card. D.M. --- Paul Condon wrote: > Short mention of the documentary in the news pages > of the current issue of > Mojo (Paul McCartney on the cover). Just mentions > that it's due in September > and that the filmmakers promise it gets nowhere near > to the truth about > Jandek. > Also discovered a mention in an old issue of Mojo, > can't remember the date, > but New Order are on the cover. There's an article > on psych fanzines, and > one (not sure if it was Ptolemaic Terrascope or > Galactic Zoo Dossier) > featured trading cards of leftfield guitar heroes, > and one of the pictured > examples is Jandek, featuring a line drawing based > on the Living End cover > and a short biog. > > Paul > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24616 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 02:16:12 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 May 2003 02:16:12 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 2 May 2003 21:16:06 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h432G5g13808 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 2 May 2003 21:16:05 -0500 Received: (qmail 24596 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 02:14:48 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 May 2003 02:14:48 -0000 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.122]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 2 May 2003 21:14:41 -0500 Received: from sdn-ap-013neomahp0140.dialsprint.net ([63.190.64.140] helo=Dell) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19BmXs-0005IF-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 02 May 2003 19:14:36 -0700 From: "Christopher Severson" To: Subject: RE: Mojo mentions Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 20:14:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C310E7.70D409E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030502205928.59102.qmail@web20713.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2003 02:14:41.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1A9EF60:01C31119] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C310E7.70D409E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I actually had this in my hands (and put it back) just an hour ago. It's only $8.50, and that's here in Aspen, CO, where everything is typically so overpriced. And I only put it back 'cuase I had already picked up the Armstrong Fives and Sevens Box and another Monk lp. I'm on my own tonight and far from bored out of my mind with this Armstrong set. SO nice. Maybe someday Revenant with do a box like this with Corwood - can you imagine how cool that could be? Wonder if Blackwood or Fahey is/was a fan. Gotta think Fahey woulda dug 'em, but who knows........ Christopher ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C310E7.70D409E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 actually had this in my hands (and put it back) just an hour ago.  = It's=20 only $8.50, and that's here in Aspen, CO, where everything is typically = so=20 overpriced.  And I only put it back 'cuase I had already picked up = the=20 Armstrong Fives and Sevens Box and another Monk lp.  I'm on my own = tonight=20 and far from bored out of my mind with this Armstrong set.  SO = nice. =20 Maybe someday Revenant with do a box like this with Corwood - can you = imagine=20 how cool that could be?  Wonder if Blackwood or Fahey is/was a = fan. =20 Gotta think Fahey woulda dug 'em, but who = knows........
 
Christopher
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C310E7.70D409E0-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 28434 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 12:43:35 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 May 2003 12:43:35 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 3 May 2003 07:43:33 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43ChXI18332 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Sat, 3 May 2003 07:43:33 -0500 Received: (qmail 25859 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 07:09:17 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 May 2003 07:09:17 -0000 Received: from web20703.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.226.176]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 3 May 2003 02:09:08 -0500 Message-ID: <20030503070908.48011.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.128.86.25] by web20703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 May 2003 00:09:08 PDT Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 00:09:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "P.T. Swope" Subject: RE: Mojo mentions To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2003 07:09:09.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[E42CA270:01C31142] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Well, I did buy it at a place that slapped an "import" sticker on the latest Jandek CD and sold it for $14. --- Christopher Severson wrote: > I actually had this in my hands (and put it back) > just an hour ago. It's > only $8.50, and that's here in Aspen, CO, where > everything is typically so > overpriced. And I only put it back 'cuase I had > already picked up the > Armstrong Fives and Sevens Box and another Monk lp. > I'm on my own tonight > and far from bored out of my mind with this > Armstrong set. SO nice. Maybe > someday Revenant with do a box like this with > Corwood - can you imagine how > cool that could be? Wonder if Blackwood or Fahey > is/was a fan. Gotta think > Fahey woulda dug 'em, but who knows........ > > Christopher > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29694 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 16:13:44 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 May 2003 16:13:44 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 3 May 2003 11:13:41 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43GDeN21333 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Sat, 3 May 2003 11:13:40 -0500 Received: (qmail 29499 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 15:39:17 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 May 2003 15:39:17 -0000 Received: from web12003.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.172.211]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 3 May 2003 10:39:15 -0500 Message-ID: <20030503153914.47350.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.54.36.109] by web12003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 May 2003 08:39:14 PDT Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 08:39:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Cooley Subject: Re: Mojo mentions To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20030502195246.69200.qmail@web41401.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2003 15:39:15.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[26D3F550:01C3118A] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I tried sending a scan of the card from MOJO a few years ago, but it wasn't working...maybe Seth wasn't letting it through? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 30111 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 16:53:09 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 May 2003 16:53:09 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 3 May 2003 11:53:05 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h43Gr5j21432 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Sat, 3 May 2003 11:53:05 -0500 Received: (qmail 30075 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 16:42:27 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 May 2003 16:42:27 -0000 Received: from m07.lax.untd.com ([64.136.30.70]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 3 May 2003 11:42:23 -0500 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"vS5hwU/cVBV20C85nS9ZdDi+cBm0kzTlX19j0CrBPTxogZD60ILN8Q==">; Sat, 03 May 2003 09:41:57 PDT Received: (from chuckp8@juno.com) by m07.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HW95GSZH; Sat, 03 May 2003 09:41:57 PDT To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 09:37:38 -0700 Subject: hey howdy... Message-ID: <20030503.093746.-267131.9.chuckp8@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,8-9,12-39 From: chuckp8@juno.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2003 16:42:23.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8E991A0:01C31192] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk hola folks, i'm new here, just thought i'd say hello. amazing mr. Jandek... this is probably old hat for those on this list, but the more i search through his catalog, the more the subtleties reveal themselves. i've found his depth to be far greater than those who crow "buy one jandek cd, and you've bought them all...", tho i'm sure most on this list don't feel that way. so i'm scooping up all the discs i'm missing in an effort to truly wrap my brain around his mighty vision. below is a list of what i've got so far... any suggestions on where to fill in next? thanks! chuck p. (0739) Ready For The House (0740) Six and Six (0743) Living In A Moon So Blue (0745) Your Turn To Fall (0746) The Rocks Crumble (0747) Interstellar Discussion (0748) Nine-Thirty (0749) Foreign Keys (0750) Telegraph Melts (0751) Follow Your Footsteps (0753) Blue Corpse (0754) You Walk Alone (0755) On The Way (0758) One Foot In The North (0761) Graven Image (0762) Glad To Get Away (0763) White Box Requiem (0766) The Beginning (0767) Put My Dream On This Planet (0770) I Threw You Away (0771) The Humility Of Pain ________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 32573 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 20:28:41 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 May 2003 20:28:41 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 4 May 2003 15:28:36 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44KSZk15783 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 4 May 2003 15:28:35 -0500 Received: (qmail 32554 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 20:28:26 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 May 2003 20:28:26 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 4 May 2003 15:28:21 -0500 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h44KSKp15752 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 15:28:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200305042028.h44KSKp15752@dylan.cs.northwestern.edu> To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Exhume the Blue Corpse In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 01 Nov 2002 19:56:24 GMT." From: Seth Tisue X-Mailer: MH-E 7.3; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.2.1 Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 15:28:20 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2003 20:28:21.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[B48861A0:01C3127B] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Paul" == Paul Condon writes: Paul> Got Follow Your Footsteps/Blue Corpse/You Walk Alone today - the Paul> former and the latter sound great on CD (though I notice that the Paul> Zappa quote at the start of Bring on Fatima has been edited Paul> out). The voice seems to be Eddie's, so perhaps Jandek found out only later that it was a Frank Zappa reference, and was unhappy with having that on the LP. Or, perhaps it was accident. I just noticed for the first time that on "Follow Your Footsteps", it isn't just on that song where the beginning is different. For example: - CD version of "Didn't Ask Why" is missing a few seconds of guitar - CD version of "I Know You Well" has a few extra seconds of guitar - CD version of "Straight Thirty Seconds" is missing a man laughing This suggests to me that the album may have been remastered from the original session tapes with the song beginnings picked out by ear instead of by close comparison to the LP. As always: the plot thickens... == Seth Tisue - seth@tisue.net - http://tisue.net Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 820 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 21:44:33 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 May 2003 21:44:33 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 4 May 2003 16:44:28 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h44LiQd16779 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 4 May 2003 16:44:26 -0500 Received: (qmail 769 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 21:37:43 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 May 2003 21:37:43 -0000 Received: from web41406.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.72]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 4 May 2003 16:37:37 -0500 Message-ID: <20030504213737.79328.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.154.16.219] by web41406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 May 2003 14:37:37 PDT Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 14:37:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: Exhume the Blue Corpse To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <200305042028.h44KSKp15752@dylan.cs.northwestern.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2003 21:37:37.0953 (UTC) FILETIME=[61EF5110:01C31285] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk well, whatever changes he makes, I think we should accept him as the final versions, the way he wanted us to hear them. D.M. --- Seth Tisue wrote: > >>>>> "Paul" == Paul Condon > writes: > > Paul> Got Follow Your Footsteps/Blue Corpse/You > Walk Alone today - the > Paul> former and the latter sound great on CD > (though I notice that the > Paul> Zappa quote at the start of Bring on Fatima > has been edited > Paul> out). > > The voice seems to be Eddie's, so perhaps Jandek > found out only later > that it was a Frank Zappa reference, and was unhappy > with having that on > the LP. > > Or, perhaps it was accident. I just noticed for the > first time that on > "Follow Your Footsteps", it isn't just on that song > where the beginning > is different. For example: > > - CD version of "Didn't Ask Why" is missing a few > seconds of guitar > - CD version of "I Know You Well" has a few extra > seconds of guitar > - CD version of "Straight Thirty Seconds" is missing > a man laughing > > This suggests to me that the album may have been > remastered from the > original session tapes with the song beginnings > picked out by ear > instead of by close comparison to the LP. > > As always: the plot thickens... > > == > Seth Tisue - seth@tisue.net - http://tisue.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11856 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 18:28:16 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 May 2003 18:28:16 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 5 May 2003 13:28:12 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45ISBs27390 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:28:11 -0500 Received: (qmail 11798 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 18:24:52 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 May 2003 18:24:52 -0000 Received: from spf1.us.outblaze.com ([205.158.62.158] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 5 May 2003 13:24:47 -0500 Received: (qmail 4007 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 18:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (205.158.62.68) by spf1.us.outblaze.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 18:24:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 63725 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 18:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.51) by 205-158-62-153.outblaze.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 18:24:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 3616 invoked by uid 1001); 5 May 2003 18:24:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20030505182432.3615.qmail@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [68.41.100.16] by ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for crushtacoes@mail.com; Mon, 05 May 2003 13:24:32 -0500 From: "Joe Henry" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu, seth@tisue.net Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 13:24:32 -0500 Subject: more somebody in the snow lyrics X-Originating-Ip: 68.41.100.16 X-Originating-Server: ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2003 18:24:47.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BFE25D0:01C31333] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Below are my transcriptions of two more songs from "Somebody in the Snow". Each song uses silly lyrics to creepily address someone. JANDEK – SOMEBODY IN THE SNOW CORNER OF THE STREET Well I read about your bargain basement At the corner of the street And about the stranger’s fawning At the sidewalk and your feet While running, try and meet me At the edge of the dawn And when you saw the sun come rollin’ Across the meadow lawn You saw the sun come rolling Across the meadow lawn And you were runnin’, Tried to meet me, At the edge of the dawn And about the strangers fawning At the sidewalk and your feet Well I read about your bargain basement At the corner of the street REMIND YOU I got fifteen jokers hot as lead I got a Kodak camera in my head I’ve been on about it Been on if he can hear I ain’t got no honey Aw Jesus, I never will I got a rightaway down a one-way street [Jandek doubles his voice in this one, so the following lines are simultaneous] I blink the blinker to the beat I got you You got all the money Why you want me too? I told you why I’d do what you want me to do Where you’ll put your love behind Never been All I got so far is shoes They took me where I been You’re the dream I been dreamin’ And are you serious when you say my name? So you (suck on?), no I ain’t playin’ So I’ll say goodbye Hope you knew I came Just to remind you [2x] You’re the cast of my eye Yes, you’re the catch of the season -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15532 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 21:39:22 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 May 2003 21:39:22 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 5 May 2003 16:39:11 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h45LdAE29716 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:39:10 -0500 Received: (qmail 15513 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 21:37:38 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 May 2003 21:37:38 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.27.55] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 5 May 2003 16:37:32 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 May 2003 14:37:32 -0700 Received: from 62.254.166.19 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 May 2003 21:37:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.254.166.19] X-Originating-Email: [paulgcondon@hotmail.com] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: One Foot/Footsteps/Fahey Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 21:37:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2003 21:37:32.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[88EEBCF0:01C3134E] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk "One Foot in the North" is currently listed on Aquarius records site, with an entertaining review and MPEGs of Yellow Pages & Dreaming Man. >The voice seems to be Eddie's, so perhaps Jandek found out only later >that it was a Frank Zappa reference, and was unhappy with having that > >on>the LP. That's what I thought, but it could indeed be accidental too. Impossible to tell whether the cd versions are supposed to be definitive, improved versions, or whether Jandek's aesthetic looseness extends to not worrying to such small differences. >Maybe someday Revenant with do a box like this with Corwood - can you > >imagine how cool that could be? Wonder if Blackwood or Fahey is/was a > >fan. Gotta think Fahey woulda dug 'em, but who knows........ Often wonder about this - I mean, talk about "American Primitive"! I tried to post the following Fahey-related comment recently, but I don't think it got through: I recently bought his Guitar Vol. 4: The Great San Bernardino Birthday Party, and the track Guitar Excursions Into the Unknown (recorded 1963) is the closest thing I've heard to Jandek's acoustic style - it's almost as if Fahey picked up Jandek's detuned guitar and started fingerpicking on it. Here's what Fahey said about it in 1968: "I agree it's one of my best pieces. I was afraid to issue it for a few years thinking that no one would be able to like it and I was not sure of my own feelings towards it were until Al Wilson virtually forced me to issue it. I can now listen to it without fear that I will freak out but it took a long time." And in 1970: "God knows what key or tuning it's in (if any of you can figure it out please let me know." (I've read elsewhere that it's in D modal). Fahey's use of his Blind Joe Death alterego is arguably an interesting precedent to Jandek's mysterious-identity deal... I met Fahey a few years ago when he played in Dublin, on what I think was his last tour. I shook hands with him but when I asked him about his interest in noise he ignored me and continued writing on an A4 pad. At the time, I didn't know about his personal problems and the extremely fraught nature of the tour (which was abandoned a couple of days later), nor about his reticence in such situations. In retrospect I feel lucky to have gotten a handshake. Paul _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19509 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 05:13:56 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 6 May 2003 05:13:56 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 6 May 2003 00:13:48 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h465Dkg00323 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Tue, 6 May 2003 00:13:46 -0500 Received: (qmail 19444 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 05:09:28 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 6 May 2003 05:09:28 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 6 May 2003 00:09:19 -0500 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4659It32752; Tue, 6 May 2003 00:09:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200305060509.h4659It32752@dylan.cs.northwestern.edu> To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Cc: Scott LaPierre Subject: Re: more somebody in the snow lyrics In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 05 May 2003 13:24:32 CDT." <20030505182432.3615.qmail@mail.com> From: Seth Tisue X-Mailer: MH-E 7.3; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.2.1 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 00:09:18 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2003 05:09:19.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[A65EE820:01C3138D] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Joe" == Joe Henry writes: Joe> Below are my transcriptions of two more songs from "Somebody in Joe> the Snow". Each song uses silly lyrics to creepily address Joe> someone. Thanks. These are up on the site now, with some changes. Note the "Bowery / Beacon Hill" trope which is also used in "Quinn Boys" and "Quinn Boys II". They're both old-time skid rows (in New York and Seattle)... anyone know if always pairing them like that might come from a specific source? It sounds repeated from something. "Remind You" is a great track -- check it out! I never particularly noticed it before. When Jandek says "are you serious when you say my name" it sounds like Dylan to me (mentally I follow it with Dylan's "Honey I can't believe that you're for real" from "On the Road"). I never much noticed this whole album, actually, except for "Om" which sticks out because it's so out of character, and "Bring It In a Manger", which... well, I don't know what to say about it. It's singular. If someone invents a new form of Christianity based on it, sign me up. "Come Through With a Smile" is outstanding, too: it's the track where the replacement Nancy makes the best case for herself. And I like the way the drums underscore the lead guitar. At the beginning of the album when Jandek (Eddie?) says "All right, all right.... alllll right... It's all riiiiight.... ": it is. It is completely all right. How could it be any better? There's a lot of hard stereo separation on this album: lyrics decipherers keep poised at your balance knobs, == Seth Tisue - seth@tisue.net - http://tisue.net Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 30401 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 21:07:36 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 6 May 2003 21:07:36 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 6 May 2003 16:03:02 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h46L31a09265 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Tue, 6 May 2003 16:03:01 -0500 Received: (qmail 30077 invoked from network); 6 May 2003 20:45:19 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 6 May 2003 20:45:19 -0000 Received: from web41409.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.75]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 6 May 2003 15:36:52 -0500 Message-ID: <20030506203651.45665.qmail@web41409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.162.241.209] by web41409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 May 2003 13:36:51 PDT Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: more somebody in the snow lyrics To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <200305060509.h4659It32752@dylan.cs.northwestern.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2003 20:36:52.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[39F3CD90:01C3140F] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Beacon hill is also a part of Boston with pretty expensive real estate, near which is the seat of the Massachusetts government. That whole block, the "late middle period" from "On the Way" through "One Foot..." isn't mentioned much, but it has a lot of good material. D.M. --- Seth Tisue wrote: > >>>>> "Joe" == Joe Henry > writes: > > Joe> Below are my transcriptions of two more songs > from "Somebody in > Joe> the Snow". Each song uses silly lyrics to > creepily address > Joe> someone. > > Thanks. These are up on the site now, with some > changes. Note the > "Bowery / Beacon Hill" trope which is also used in > "Quinn Boys" and > "Quinn Boys II". They're both old-time skid rows > (in New York and > Seattle)... anyone know if always pairing them like > that might come from > a specific source? It sounds repeated from > something. > > "Remind You" is a great track -- check it out! I > never particularly > noticed it before. When Jandek says "are you > serious when you say my > name" it sounds like Dylan to me (mentally I follow > it with Dylan's > "Honey I can't believe that you're for real" from > "On the Road"). I > never much noticed this whole album, actually, > except for "Om" which > sticks out because it's so out of character, and > "Bring It In a Manger", > which... well, I don't know what to say about it. > It's singular. If > someone invents a new form of Christianity based on > it, sign me up. > "Come Through With a Smile" is outstanding, too: > it's the track where > the replacement Nancy makes the best case for > herself. And I like the > way the drums underscore the lead guitar. > > At the beginning of the album when Jandek (Eddie?) > says "All right, all > right.... alllll right... It's all riiiiight.... ": > it is. It is > completely all right. How could it be any better? > > There's a lot of hard stereo separation on this > album: lyrics > decipherers keep poised at your balance knobs, > > == > Seth Tisue - seth@tisue.net - http://tisue.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 844 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 01:15:11 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 May 2003 01:15:11 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 6 May 2003 20:14:22 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h471ELl11736 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Tue, 6 May 2003 20:14:21 -0500 Received: (qmail 541 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 00:50:57 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 May 2003 00:50:57 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.247.128] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 6 May 2003 19:48:38 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 May 2003 17:48:37 -0700 Received: from 65.92.7.180 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 May 2003 00:48:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.92.7.180] X-Originating-Email: [susseddm@hotmail.com] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: more somebody in the snow lyrics Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 00:48:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2003 00:48:37.0799 (UTC) FILETIME=[655C8B70:01C31432] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Maybe the man's a real estate agent. From: Daniel Marks >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: more somebody in the snow lyrics Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 >13:36:51 -0700 (PDT) > >Beacon hill is also a part of Boston with pretty >expensive real estate, near which is the seat of the >Massachusetts government. > >That whole block, the "late middle period" from "On >the Way" through "One Foot..." isn't mentioned much, >but it has a lot of good material. > >D.M. > > >--- Seth Tisue wrote: > > >>>>> "Joe" == Joe Henry > > writes: > > > > Joe> Below are my transcriptions of two more songs > > from "Somebody in > > Joe> the Snow". Each song uses silly lyrics to > > creepily address > > Joe> someone. > > > > Thanks. These are up on the site now, with some > > changes. Note the > > "Bowery / Beacon Hill" trope which is also used in > > "Quinn Boys" and > > "Quinn Boys II". They're both old-time skid rows > > (in New York and > > Seattle)... anyone know if always pairing them like > > that might come from > > a specific source? It sounds repeated from > > something. > > > > "Remind You" is a great track -- check it out! I > > never particularly > > noticed it before. When Jandek says "are you > > serious when you say my > > name" it sounds like Dylan to me (mentally I follow > > it with Dylan's > > "Honey I can't believe that you're for real" from > > "On the Road"). I > > never much noticed this whole album, actually, > > except for "Om" which > > sticks out because it's so out of character, and > > "Bring It In a Manger", > > which... well, I don't know what to say about it. > > It's singular. If > > someone invents a new form of Christianity based on > > it, sign me up. > > "Come Through With a Smile" is outstanding, too: > > it's the track where > > the replacement Nancy makes the best case for > > herself. And I like the > > way the drums underscore the lead guitar. > > > > At the beginning of the album when Jandek (Eddie?) > > says "All right, all > > right.... alllll right... It's all riiiiight.... ": > > it is. It is > > completely all right. How could it be any better? > > > > There's a lot of hard stereo separation on this > > album: lyrics > > decipherers keep poised at your balance knobs, > > > > == > > Seth Tisue - seth@tisue.net - http://tisue.net > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 845 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 01:15:12 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 May 2003 01:15:12 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 6 May 2003 20:14:32 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h471EVr11760 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Tue, 6 May 2003 20:14:31 -0500 Received: (qmail 664 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 00:52:57 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 7 May 2003 00:52:57 -0000 Received: from spf1.us.outblaze.com ([205.158.62.158] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 6 May 2003 19:52:46 -0500 Received: (qmail 17931 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 00:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (205.158.62.68) by spf1.us.outblaze.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 00:52:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 35559 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 00:52:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.59) by 205-158-62-153.outblaze.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 00:52:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 1516 invoked by uid 1001); 7 May 2003 00:52:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20030507005221.1515.qmail@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [68.41.100.16] by ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com with http for crushtacoes@mail.com; Tue, 06 May 2003 19:52:21 -0500 From: "Joe Henry" To: alfredggnome@yahoo.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 19:52:21 -0500 Subject: Re: more somebody in the snow lyrics X-Originating-Ip: 68.41.100.16 X-Originating-Server: ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2003 00:52:46.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[F98AF660:01C31432] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I think one of Jandek's best album sides is side two of "On The Way", with some real cool simple acoustic guitar playing and atmosphere. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11853 invoked from network); 17 May 2003 19:07:50 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 17 May 2003 19:07:50 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 17 May 2003 14:05:51 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4HJ5oG18545 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Sat, 17 May 2003 14:05:50 -0500 Received: (qmail 11836 invoked from network); 17 May 2003 19:05:40 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 17 May 2003 19:05:40 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.68.163.166] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 17 May 2003 14:04:54 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 May 2003 12:04:54 -0700 Received: from 82.41.141.233 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 May 2003 19:04:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [82.41.141.233] X-Originating-Email: [gogs_cun@hotmail.com] From: "Gogs C" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Harmonica in Your Condition Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 19:04:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2003 19:04:54.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[33596A80:01C31CA7] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk OK, so this is maybe a daft question, but can anyone tell me what key harmonica Jandek plays on Your Condition? _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8424 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 22:06:34 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 May 2003 22:06:34 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 19 May 2003 17:06:28 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JM6R920071 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 19 May 2003 17:06:27 -0500 Received: (qmail 7446 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 21:07:02 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 19 May 2003 21:07:02 -0000 Received: from spf1.us.outblaze.com ([205.158.62.158] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 19 May 2003 16:06:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 10491 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 21:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (205.158.62.68) by spf1.us.outblaze.com with QMQP; 19 May 2003 21:06:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 86419 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 21:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.51) by 205-158-62-153.outblaze.com with SMTP; 19 May 2003 21:06:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 39105 invoked by uid 1001); 19 May 2003 21:06:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20030519210625.39104.qmail@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [68.41.100.16] by ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for crushtacoes@mail.com; Mon, 19 May 2003 16:06:25 -0500 From: "Joe Henry" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:06:25 -0500 Subject: popular assertions X-Originating-Ip: 68.41.100.16 X-Originating-Server: ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2003 21:06:57.0573 (UTC) FILETIME=[952DDD50:01C31E4A] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Okay, the list has been a bit dead lately, so I'm going to attempt to bait some participation by putting forth a few popular opinions about the music of Jandek to see what most people's views on them are. You don't have to give a big explanation, a simple yay or nay will do. Keep in mind that I'm not claiming to agree or disagree with any of these. 1. The female vocal parts on "The Living End" and all subsequent albums are performed by a different woman than the previous albums. 2. The vocal parts on many of the songs of the mid-period (among them "Passed By The Building", "I Know The Times" and "I Sit Alone and Think About You") are sung by a different "guest vocalist" than the usual singer. 3. Despite claims to the contrary, the man we call Jandek, or the typical male singer, performed most or all of the instruments heard in his music himself, using over-dubs. 4. “Jandek” is not intended to be a personal moniker, but the name of a group project. 5. Sterling Smith, the man who solely operates Corwood Industries, is also the singer and musician who created the Jandek catalogue. 6. All of Jandek's "band" music (i.e. with drums, electric guitar, additional vocalists) had been created before the solo acoustic works. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 17648 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 16:28:57 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 May 2003 16:28:57 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 20 May 2003 11:28:54 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KGSr629130 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Tue, 20 May 2003 11:28:53 -0500 Received: (qmail 17603 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 16:26:46 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 May 2003 16:26:46 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.27.25] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 20 May 2003 11:24:44 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 May 2003 09:24:43 -0700 Received: from 213.105.178.130 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 May 2003 16:24:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.105.178.130] X-Originating-Email: [paulgcondon@hotmail.com] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: popular assertions Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:24:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2003 16:24:43.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[523E36F0:01C31EEC] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Here's my tuppence ha'penny worth: >1. The female vocal parts on "The Living End" and all subsequent albums are >performed by a different >woman than the previous albums. Posilutely. But could it be Nancy's sister (forget the name) that he told Irwin Chusid featured on No Break? >2. The vocal parts on many of the songs of the mid-period (among them >"Passed By The Building", "I >Know The Times" and "I Sit Alone and Think >About You") are sung by a different "guest vocalist" >than the usual >singer. Absotively. >3. Despite claims to the contrary, the man we call Jandek, or the typical >male singer, performed most >or all of the instruments heard in his music >himself, using over-dubs. This may occasionally be the case, (and more than likely is on most of side 2 of Sopmebody in the Snow, the first 2 tracks on On the Way, and maybe even on The Rocks Crumble, side 1 of Foreign Keys, and One Foot in the North). But the more standard guitar playing is definitely not Jandek. It's hard to tell with the drums. The dynamics of some of the ensemble recordings betray their nature as live band recordings rather than parts overdubbed by an individual - a good example of this is the Chair... version of European Jewel. On the other hand, the first 2 tracks on On the Way sound sloppily overdubbed by Jandek. >4. “Jandek” is not intended to be a personal moniker, but the name of a >group project. I still call the main protagonist Jandek. Most of the albums are completely solo works, and all feature this central individual to the point where, IMO, if not singing on a particular track, he plays an instrument (e.g. guitar on I Passed By the Building, drums on I'll Sit Alone...). Open to debate, but that's my considered opinion. As somebody said "Jandek is so damn easy to type". Simplest and most straightforward way to refer to the guy. If this is a horriffic distortion of the artist's original intention, it serves him right for releasing a string solo recordings with a picture of the same individual repeatedly appearing on the covers! Compromise version: Jandek is Jandek, but also fronts the band Jandek (like Dio!). >5. Sterling Smith, the man who solely operates Corwood Industries, is also >the singer and musician >who created the Jandek catalogue. Don't know about the "solely", didn't somebody report a phone conversation with a Corwood representative that didn't sound like the main voice on the records? "Sterling Smith" doesn't personally interest me much anymore. There's enough distance put between Smith and Jandek for me to consider that the former is none of my business as a Jandek fan. >6. All of Jandek's "band" music (i.e. with drums, electric guitar, >additional vocalists) had been created >before the solo acoustic works. I don't see any reason to consider this to be true. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 20994 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 19:11:19 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 May 2003 19:11:19 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 20 May 2003 14:09:53 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KJ9qh31358 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Tue, 20 May 2003 14:09:52 -0500 Received: (qmail 20466 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 18:42:32 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 May 2003 18:42:32 -0000 Received: from fireball.blast.net ([207.162.131.33]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 20 May 2003 13:42:27 -0500 Received: from fireball (clinton-nj.ts24.dialup023.blast.net [207.162.152.132]) by fireball.blast.net (8.12.8/8.11.6) with SMTP id h4KIam66041250; Tue, 20 May 2003 14:36:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jgrimshaw@blast.net) Message-ID: <002301c31f02$0d0c2040$8498a2cf@blast.net> From: "Jeff Grimshaw" To: "Paul Condon" , References: Subject: Re: popular assertions Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:59:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2003 18:42:27.0695 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FF137F0:01C31EFF] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I agree with Paul all the way down the line on this. In regard to "6. All of Jandek's "band" music (i.e. with drums, electric guitar, additional vocalists) had been created before the solo acoustic works." -- what makes you think this, Joe? Do you mean even the really recent solo stuff like the accapella CDs? Smith's letter to Chusid about the additional singers and musicians (page 61 of "Key of Z") doesn't really address the chronology of the 'augmented' songs, but it sure sounds to me like he's talking about current projects and plans and not archival material. Jeff Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24821 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 21:53:43 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 May 2003 21:53:43 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 20 May 2003 16:52:55 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4KLqtf00820 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Tue, 20 May 2003 16:52:55 -0500 Received: (qmail 24753 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 21:51:02 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 May 2003 21:51:02 -0000 Received: from web41403.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.69]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 20 May 2003 16:50:56 -0500 Message-ID: <20030520215047.30992.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.160.160.150] by web41403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 May 2003 14:50:47 PDT Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:50:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: popular assertions To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20030519210625.39104.qmail@mail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2003 21:50:56.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4980F80:01C31F19] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Joe Henry wrote: > Okay, the list has been a bit dead lately, so I'm > going to attempt to bait some participation by > putting forth a few popular opinions about the music > of Jandek to see what most people's views on them > are. > You don't have to give a big explanation, a simple > yay or nay will do. > Keep in mind that I'm not claiming to agree or > disagree with any of these. > > 1. The female vocal parts on "The Living End" and > all subsequent albums are performed by a different > woman than the previous albums. yeah. > > 2. The vocal parts on many of the songs of the > mid-period (among them "Passed By The Building", "I > Know The Times" and "I Sit Alone and Think About > You") are sung by a different "guest vocalist" than > the usual singer. hmhm. I say his name is Eddie, but who knows? > > 3. Despite claims to the contrary, the man we call > Jandek, or the typical male singer, performed most > or all of the instruments heard in his music > himself, using over-dubs. I think The Rocks Crumble, Interstellar Discussion, were both overdubs. Harder to tell on Telegraph Melts and Modern Dances, but i'm leaning towards live. The rest of the "band" recordings are all live, at least I says so. > > 4. “Jandek” is not intended to be a personal > moniker, but the name of a group project. I think it's a personal moniker. > > 5. Sterling Smith, the man who solely operates > Corwood Industries, is also the singer and musician > who created the Jandek catalogue. oh yeah. definately. > > 6. All of Jandek's "band" music (i.e. with drums, > electric guitar, additional vocalists) had been > created before the solo acoustic works. I put forth this theory i think... I had said I thought that the band stuff might have ben done in the seventies. I don't really think so now. But it is a possiblilty that can't be forgotten, given what little we know. D.M. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 28422 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 04:31:42 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 May 2003 04:31:42 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 20 May 2003 23:30:22 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4L4ULW03225 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Tue, 20 May 2003 23:30:21 -0500 Received: (qmail 26086 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 23:01:19 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 May 2003 23:01:19 -0000 Received: from spf1.us.outblaze.com ([205.158.62.158] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 20 May 2003 18:00:24 -0500 Received: (qmail 3977 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 23:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (205.158.62.68) by spf1.us.outblaze.com with QMQP; 20 May 2003 23:00:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 97708 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 23:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.53) by 205-158-62-153.outblaze.com with SMTP; 20 May 2003 23:00:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 73143 invoked by uid 1001); 20 May 2003 23:00:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20030520230023.73142.qmail@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [68.41.100.16] by ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com with http for crushtacoes@mail.com; Tue, 20 May 2003 18:00:23 -0500 From: "Joe Henry" To: "Jeff Grimshaw" , jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:00:23 -0500 Subject: Re: popular assertions X-Originating-Ip: 68.41.100.16 X-Originating-Server: ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2003 23:00:24.0648 (UTC) FILETIME=[98ECD480:01C31F23] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > I agree with Paul all the way down the line on this. In regard to "6. All > of Jandek's "band" music (i.e. with drums, electric guitar, additional > vocalists) had been created before the solo acoustic works." -- what makes > you think this, Joe? I actually don't agree with this thoery, and if you look to the beginnning of my message I give a disclaimer that states that I don't necessarily agree or disagree with any of the 6 assertions. As for the origin of #6, it was one of Daniel Marks' musings a few months ago. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 564 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 14:06:33 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 May 2003 14:06:33 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 21 May 2003 09:06:31 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LE6UL06788 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 21 May 2003 09:06:30 -0500 Received: (qmail 29744 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 07:32:10 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 May 2003 07:32:10 -0000 Received: from web41506.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.89]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 21 May 2003 02:29:42 -0500 Message-ID: <20030521072942.5957.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.218.234.227] by web41506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 May 2003 00:29:42 PDT Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 00:29:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Be Subject: Re: popular assertions To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20030519210625.39104.qmail@mail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2003 07:29:42.0960 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF193300:01C31F6A] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Joe Henry wrote: > 3. Despite claims to the contrary, the man we call > Jandek, or the typical male singer, performed most or all > of the instruments heard in his music himself, using > over-dubs. I think most of the band recordings are live group performances, and in general Jandek's reputation as a "over-dubbing wizard" is greatly exaggerated. The first clue is the song "A dozen Drops." When the song is used to introduce a female singer the title is "Nancy Sings." Likewise, when the song is used to introduce a drummer it's titled "John Plays Drums." To say the the guitarist/singer Jandek overdubbed the drums would be to say that Jandek switched from being truthful & biographical in his song titling to being ironic and deceptive. It doesn't make sense to me. His song titles are sometimes vague, sometimes funny, but never deceptive. I think that if we can assume that if Jandek is not singing "Nancy Sings" in a fake falsetto then we should also assume that John plays drums on most/all Jandek recordings. The early solo and band recordings all champion improvisation and the spirit of the 1st take. Some tracks on the "You Walk Alone" LP sound like they benefitted from a little rehearsal, but not a lot. Earlier songs do sound like the other musicians didn't know what Jandek was playing at the time, or mabye couldn't hear him very well, but they just sound loose to me, not overdubbed. I can't picture Jandek re-recording overdub after overdub, trying to get the out-of tune guitar to sound 'just right.' Also, vocal tracks always play off of the instrumental tracks in unique ways. The guitarist often takes cues from the vocalist, following & adjusting in dynamics & intensity, and the vocalist often verbally addresses another musician by name in a recording (Taks it Eddie!) None of the vocals sound like they were recorded at a later time. If there are any overdubs in Jandek recordings, I would guess that Chair's "European Jewel" would be a contender. However, I bet it was just one or two guitar tracks added to the original recording of Jandek & John playing together. I don't think it was recorded one instrument at a time. ===== http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee http://www.mp3.com/bohdi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2369 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 16:33:11 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 May 2003 16:33:11 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 21 May 2003 11:30:17 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LGUGi08064 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 21 May 2003 11:30:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 1012 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 14:36:45 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 May 2003 14:36:45 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.245.109] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 21 May 2003 09:36:31 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 May 2003 07:36:31 -0700 Received: from 24.239.157.108 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 May 2003 14:36:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.239.157.108] X-Originating-Email: [claptrap@hotmail.com] From: "dave m." To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: popular assertions Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:36:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2003 14:36:31.0085 (UTC) FILETIME=[5EBAF9D0:01C31FA6] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Well, the first 2 tracks on The Living End feature the same instrumental track with different vocals overdubbed on top... -d From: Bradley Be >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: popular assertions >Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 00:29:42 -0700 (PDT) >> >Also, vocal tracks always play off of the instrumental >tracks in unique ways. The guitarist often takes cues from >the vocalist, following & adjusting in dynamics & >intensity, and the vocalist often verbally addresses >another musician by name in a recording (Taks it Eddie!) >None of the vocals sound like they were recorded at a later >time. > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 7917 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 22:05:37 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 May 2003 22:05:37 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 21 May 2003 17:05:32 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LM5Vo14461 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 21 May 2003 17:05:31 -0500 Received: (qmail 7631 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 21:46:04 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 May 2003 21:46:04 -0000 Received: from mail.utexas.edu ([128.83.126.160] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 21 May 2003 16:45:32 -0500 Received: (qmail 31270 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 21:45:31 -0000 Received: from dhcp-128-83-84-139.gs.utexas.edu (HELO ?128.83.84.139?) (williamc@128.83.84.139) by wb14.mail.utexas.edu with SMTP; 21 May 2003 21:45:31 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:48:24 -0500 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: william crain Subject: personal connections Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1158568791==_ma============" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2003 21:45:32.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DBFA0E0:01C31FE2] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --============_-1158568791==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" for the hell of it here's a couple of jandek songs that bring to my mind other songs and or musicians. i'm not saying that these are intentional or deliberate references, most likely they are not, just things i hear that remind me of something else. the way the word "well" is sung on your other man always reminds me of sister morphine by the stones and the verse that starts "well it only goes to show" the lyric "before you grew so old" in when the telephone melts reminds me of a van morrison lyric on astral weeks can't remember which song where he sings "i will never grow so old again" and finally on i know the times the lyric "listen to the other side of life" reminds me of the fred neil song the other side of this life which was covered by a bunch of different bands in the 60's. as a side note i write for a british website called tangents http://www.tangents.co.uk/ i turned the editor on to jandek a while back and have mentioned his music in passing in an article or two. jandek is currently pictured on the intro page for the site. best william --============_-1158568791==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" personal connections
for the hell of it here's a couple of jandek songs that bring to my mind other songs and or musicians.  i'm not saying that these are intentional or deliberate references, most likely they are not, just things i hear that remind me of something else.

the way the word "well" is sung on your other man always reminds me of sister morphine by the stones and the verse that starts "well it only goes to show"

the lyric "before you grew so old" in when the telephone melts reminds me of a van morrison lyric on astral weeks can't remember which song where he sings "i will never grow so old again"

and finally on i know the times the lyric "listen to the other side of life" reminds me of the fred neil song the other side of this life which was covered by a bunch of different bands in the 60's.

as a side note i write for a british website called tangents http://www.tangents.co.uk/  i turned the editor on to jandek a while back and have mentioned his music in passing in an article or two.  jandek is currently  pictured on the intro page for the site.

best
william
--============_-1158568791==_ma============-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8587 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 22:40:32 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 May 2003 22:40:32 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 21 May 2003 17:40:27 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LMeQV14861 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 21 May 2003 17:40:26 -0500 Received: (qmail 8495 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 22:34:05 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 May 2003 22:34:05 -0000 Received: from web41406.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.72]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 21 May 2003 17:32:02 -0500 Message-ID: <20030521223201.233.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.154.65.191] by web41406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 May 2003 15:32:01 PDT Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: popular assertions To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20030521072942.5957.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2003 22:32:02.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCE77360:01C31FE8] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Bradley Be wrote: I think that > if we > can assume that if Jandek is not singing "Nancy > Sings" in a > fake falsetto then we should also assume that John > plays > drums on most/all Jandek recordings. Not at all. There's no way we can be sure it's someone else unless Jandek specifies it, or calls his name...or if it's a woman. > If there are any overdubs in Jandek recordings, I > would > guess that Chair's "European Jewel" would be a > contender. > we've already established that European Jewel was a live recording with Jandek on guitar, John on bass, and neighbor "Poe" on drums. Read the excerpt from Chusid on Seth's site. Also, as Jandek mentions "Whole Sides" of overdubbed material... we can assume he is talking about Rocks Crumble and Interstellar Discussion. This may sound like another one of my stabs in the dark, but hear me out. The letter to Chusid with that info was written at the time of Chair Beside a Window, ie 1982. So he mentions having recorded those "whole sides" two years before any more electric material came out. He must be referring to 0746 and 0747 because it is painfully clear based on the nature of his music that he releases everything he records, without cutting out a thing. Because in the letter he doesn't mention Nancy's contributions to later albums like Telegraph Melts and Modern Dances, we can assume he had not recorded them yet (And given the open and excited tone of the letter, he wouldn't have withheld any info about Nancy if there was any more). This leaves the two afrormentioned electric albums (Interstellar and Rocks) as the only ones he could have been referring to in 1982, and futher proving that those two albums were all overdubbed. In addition, it proves my previous spectulation that the albums were not recorded in the same years as their releases, perhaps even much earlier. All this is info straight from the horse's mouth, not spectulations based on unclear lyrics or album covers. D.M. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. 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Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9672 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 02:54:22 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 May 2003 02:54:22 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 23 May 2003 21:54:15 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4O2sDn08489 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 23 May 2003 21:54:13 -0500 Received: (qmail 9647 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 02:52:50 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 May 2003 02:52:50 -0000 Received: from web41409.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.75]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 23 May 2003 21:52:44 -0500 Message-ID: <20030524025243.10337.qmail@web41409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.203.71.32] by web41409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2003 19:52:43 PDT Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:52:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: popular assertions To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20030521223201.233.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2003 02:52:44.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CB9CF50:01C3219F] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Sorry. Got my info wrong again.... "She’s featured in many future cuts, mostly electric" he did mention nancy. D.M. --- Daniel Marks wrote: > > --- Bradley Be wrote: > I think that > > if we > > can assume that if Jandek is not singing "Nancy > > Sings" in a > > fake falsetto then we should also assume that John > > plays > > drums on most/all Jandek recordings. > > Not at all. There's no way we can be sure it's > someone > else unless Jandek specifies it, or calls his > name...or if it's a woman. > > > If there are any overdubs in Jandek recordings, I > > would > > guess that Chair's "European Jewel" would be a > > contender. > > > we've already established that European Jewel was a > live recording with Jandek on guitar, John on bass, > and neighbor "Poe" on drums. Read the excerpt from > Chusid on Seth's site. > > Also, as Jandek mentions "Whole Sides" of overdubbed > material... we can assume he is talking about Rocks > Crumble and Interstellar Discussion. This may sound > like another one of my stabs in the dark, but hear > me > out. The letter to Chusid with that info was written > at the time of Chair Beside a Window, ie 1982. So he > mentions having recorded those "whole sides" two > years > before any more electric material came out. He must > be > referring to 0746 and 0747 because it is painfully > clear based on the nature of his music that he > releases everything he records, without cutting out > a > thing. Because in the letter he doesn't mention > Nancy's contributions to later albums like Telegraph > Melts and Modern Dances, we can assume he had not > recorded them yet (And given the open and excited > tone > of the letter, he wouldn't have withheld any info > about Nancy if there was any more). This leaves the > two afrormentioned electric albums (Interstellar and > Rocks) as the only ones he could have been referring > to in 1982, and futher proving that those two albums > were all overdubbed. > > In addition, it proves my previous spectulation that > the albums were not recorded in the same years as > their releases, perhaps even much earlier. All this > is > info straight from the horse's mouth, not > spectulations based on unclear lyrics or album > covers. > > > D.M. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 20744 invoked from network); 25 May 2003 07:30:19 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 May 2003 07:30:19 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 25 May 2003 02:30:19 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4P7UJd19596 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 25 May 2003 02:30:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 20723 invoked from network); 25 May 2003 07:29:34 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 May 2003 07:29:34 -0000 Received: from web41507.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.90]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 25 May 2003 02:29:34 -0500 Message-ID: <20030525072933.74875.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.64.164.157] by web41507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 May 2003 00:29:33 PDT Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 00:29:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Be Subject: Re: popular assertions To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20030524025243.10337.qmail@web41409.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2003 07:29:34.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[63A0B4D0:01C3228F] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --- Daniel Marks wrote: snip....This leaves the > two afrormentioned electric albums (Interstellar and > Rocks) as the only ones he could have been referring > to in 1982, and futher proving that those two albums > were all overdubbed. I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I'm just entertaining the thought that on some releases after Rocks/Interstellar there might have been a recording engineer of some sort at the sessions, or that sometime in Jandek's career enough money was saved up for studio time. Mabye not, but consider that recording a band while playing in that band at the same time is difficult :) There's a possibility that there was at least somebody else watching the levels on the 4-track while the soloist or group was playing. ===== http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee http://www.mp3.com/bohdi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3997 invoked from network); 26 May 2003 02:51:04 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 May 2003 02:51:04 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 25 May 2003 21:50:57 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4Q2ots02576 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 25 May 2003 21:50:55 -0500 Received: (qmail 2551 invoked from network); 25 May 2003 21:33:17 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 25 May 2003 21:33:17 -0000 Received: from web41412.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.78]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 25 May 2003 16:33:12 -0500 Message-ID: <20030525213311.85813.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.203.67.134] by web41412.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 May 2003 14:33:11 PDT Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 14:33:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: popular assertions To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20030525072933.74875.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2003 21:33:12.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E24E5C0:01C32305] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Misunderstanding. I said that Rocks and Discussion were multitracked, but I think that the rest of the albums were live. D.M. --- Bradley Be wrote: > --- Daniel Marks wrote: > snip....This leaves the > > two afrormentioned electric albums (Interstellar > and > > Rocks) as the only ones he could have been > referring > > to in 1982, and futher proving that those two > albums > > were all overdubbed. > > I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I'm just > entertaining the thought that on some releases after > Rocks/Interstellar there might have been a recording > engineer of some sort at the sessions, or that > sometime in > Jandek's career enough money was saved up for studio > time. > Mabye not, but consider that recording a band while > playing > in that band at the same time is difficult :) > There's a > possibility that there was at least somebody else > watching > the levels on the 4-track while the soloist or group > was > playing. > > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee > http://www.mp3.com/bohdi > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4463 invoked from network); 26 May 2003 03:45:41 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 May 2003 03:45:41 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 25 May 2003 22:45:33 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4Q3jVa02853 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 25 May 2003 22:45:31 -0500 Received: (qmail 4440 invoked from network); 26 May 2003 03:41:52 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 26 May 2003 03:41:52 -0000 Received: from juno.ultraservers.net ([216.218.202.15]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 25 May 2003 22:41:44 -0500 Received: from pool-141-151-10-96.phil.east.verizon.net ([141.151.10.96]) by juno.ultraservers.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19K8ro-0006Fv-00; Sun, 25 May 2003 20:41:44 -0700 X-Sender: phil+masstransfer.net@masstransfer.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 00:05:26 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Phil Subject: Re: Harmonica in Your Condition Cc: "Gogs C" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - juno.ultraservers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - cs.northwestern.edu X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - masstransfer.net X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2003 03:41:44.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA4EC110:01C32338] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >OK, so this is maybe a daft question, but can anyone tell me what key >harmonica Jandek plays on Your Condition? Sounds like it's in B-flat to me. (It actually goes reasonably well with the tuning of the guitar, which is something like Ab-Bb-Eb-Bb-Eb-E.) -- Phil Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 30706 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 05:28:46 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 May 2003 05:28:46 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 28 May 2003 00:27:20 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4S5RJ724383 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 28 May 2003 00:27:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 30663 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 05:25:41 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 May 2003 05:25:41 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 28 May 2003 00:25:34 -0500 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4S5PWw24333 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 00:25:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200305280525.h4S5PWw24333@dylan.cs.northwestern.edu> To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Seth Tisue Subject: New reissue X-Mailer: MH-E 7.3; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.2.1 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 00:25:32 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2003 05:25:34.0135 (UTC) FILETIME=[9024F470:01C324D9] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk "Lost Cause" is on CD now -- came in the mail from Corwood today. (I haven't seen it in any online retailers' catalogs yet.) == Seth Tisue - seth@tisue.net - http://tisue.net Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8729 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 18:57:39 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 May 2003 18:57:39 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 28 May 2003 13:55:22 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SItLi31304 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 28 May 2003 13:55:21 -0500 Received: (qmail 7629 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 17:44:18 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 May 2003 17:44:18 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.27.7] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 28 May 2003 12:44:15 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 May 2003 10:44:15 -0700 Received: from 193.120.94.201 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 May 2003 17:44:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.120.94.201] X-Originating-Email: [paulgcondon@hotmail.com] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: New reissue/one foot/disagreeing with everbody Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:44:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2003 17:44:15.0342 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1A470E0:01C32540] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >"Lost Cause" is on CD now -- came in the mail from Corwood today. (I >haven't seen it in any online retailers' catalogs yet.) great, I've been looking forward to getting that on cd. One of my favourite albums. One Foot in the North was the last old one I hadn't heard, and I find it to be much better than I expected. Similar in style to The Rocks Crumble which I also think is generally underrated. I noticed that, as well as the cover's similarity to that of Later On, most of the tracks on OFITN feature vocals panned hard left, guitars panned hard right - as far as I can recall, Later On is the only other album where ths is the case. Alehouse Blues is obviously a precursor to Cellar on Lost Cause. On the former, it sounds like the singer's getting drunk and recalling the good times - by Cellar, it sounds like the effects of the drink have worn off and the emptiness and loneliness have set in. This reminds me of the relationship between the song Telegraph Melts and When the Telephone Melts. The first version is like a Dear John (Dear Jandek???) letter from nancy, where she asserts her independence, to Jandek's utter surprise and incomprehension. The reworked version sees an abandoned Jandek poring over her statement, obsessing about it in an attempt to work out what went wrong. Well, that's the impression of it anyway. In the case of that song, I wonder if it was a fictional lyric that ended up coming true, or if it documented the state of the relationship at the time... >Well, the first 2 tracks on The Living End feature the same instrumental >track with different vocals >overdubbed on top... -d Same riff, but different takes. The problem with Daniel Marks' theory that Jandek recorded a lot of the early albums years before their release is that it suggests that Jandek spent a number of years musically inactive, or at least held off releasing newer recordings until older ones had been released. Since European Jewel was revised several times, I think it's not too much of a stretch to suggest that maybe a lot of material was recorded more than once, and the best takes released. I don't agree that Jandek must have released everything - for all the sloppiness of the records, we never hear him completely fluffing a lyric, and though the songs are often on the verge of completely falling apart, they rarely do completely (though he might just wipe over failed takes...). He did tell Chusid that he planned to release everything he had done, but he could have recorded better versions later, or decided to go with more recent material. An interesting topic, but as is so often the case with Jandek, one could ponder it endlesly and remain none the wiser. Gaahhh. "It's a crazy melody, but you can sing it..." Paul _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12353 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 22:06:05 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 May 2003 22:06:05 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 28 May 2003 17:06:01 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4SM60n01784 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 28 May 2003 17:06:00 -0500 Received: (qmail 12312 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 22:04:59 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 28 May 2003 22:04:59 -0000 Received: from web41408.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.74]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 28 May 2003 17:04:54 -0500 Message-ID: <20030528220453.67383.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.154.114.174] by web41408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 May 2003 15:04:53 PDT Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:04:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: New reissue/one foot/disagreeing with everbody To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2003 22:04:54.0518 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B515160:01C32565] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk That's all true. I hereby ditch that theory. I've lost faith in it myself. D.M. --- Paul Condon wrote: The problem with Daniel Marks' theory that Jandek recorded a lot of the early albums years before their release is that it suggests that Jandek spent a number of years musically inactive, or at least held off releasing newer recordings until older ones had been released. Since European Jewel was revised several times, I think it's not too much of a stretch to suggest that maybe a lot of material was recorded more than once, and the best takes released. I don't agree that Jandek must have released everything - for all the sloppiness of the records, we never hear him completely fluffing a lyric, and though the songs are often on the verge of completely falling apart, they rarely do completely (though he might just wipe over failed takes...). He did tell Chusid that he planned to release everything he had done, but he could have recorded better versions later, or decided to go with more recent material. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24272 invoked from network); 29 May 2003 19:21:26 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 29 May 2003 19:21:26 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 29 May 2003 14:21:22 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4TJLLZ09530 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 29 May 2003 14:21:21 -0500 Received: (qmail 24192 invoked from network); 29 May 2003 19:16:21 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 29 May 2003 19:16:21 -0000 Received: from cha_inet_1.thecha.org ([207.79.176.2] unverified) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 29 May 2003 14:15:47 -0500 Received: by cha_inet_1.thecha.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 29 May 2003 14:16:54 -0500 Message-ID: <501208D84965D211A3CF00805FEA182601178C87@CHA_LEGAL> From: "Epke, Larry" To: "'jandek@cs.northwestern.edu'" Subject: What's left? Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:07:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C32615.7E52F340"; type="multipart/alternative" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2003 19:15:47.0135 (UTC) FILETIME=[B56B4CF0:01C32616] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C32615.7E52F340 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32615.7E52F340" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32615.7E52F340 Content-Type: text/plain By my calculation, only "Twelfth Apostle" and "Graven Image" (hmmm, two Christian phrases) are not currently available. Is that correct? Larry Epke "The secret of genius is to carry the spirit of childhood into maturity." - Thomas Huxley ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32615.7E52F340 Content-Type: text/html

By my calculation, only "Twelfth Apostle" and "Graven Image" (hmmm, two Christian phrases) are not currently available. Is that correct?

 

Larry Epke

 

"The secret of genius is to carry the spirit of childhood into maturity." - Thomas Huxley

 

 

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Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5531 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 18:07:14 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 30 May 2003 18:07:14 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 30 May 2003 13:07:11 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UI7Ar20816 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 30 May 2003 13:07:10 -0500 Received: (qmail 3911 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 16:24:05 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 30 May 2003 16:24:05 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.27.26] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 30 May 2003 11:23:12 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 May 2003 09:23:11 -0700 Received: from 193.120.45.148 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 May 2003 16:22:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.120.45.148] X-Originating-Email: [paulgcondon@hotmail.com] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Marksist theory / what's left Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 16:22:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2003 16:23:11.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3962410:01C326C7] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >That's all true. I hereby ditch that theory. I've lost >faith in it myself. But... then there's the way the blues-rock style material is spread out. It sounds like a lot of this was recorded in a short space of time that doesn't correspond to the release dates. Similarly side 2 of On the Way must have been recorded at the same sessions as Blue Corpse, as these songs are not only in a similar style, but are also very similar recordings. So it's possible that there were some periods of intense recording activity followed by quieter periods, when the guy could've been writing etc. >By my calculation, only "Twelfth Apostle" and "Graven Image" (hmmm, two >Christian phrases) are not currently available. Is that correct? Yes, but by the current reissue rate they could be available again by the end of the year. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5777 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 18:07:37 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 30 May 2003 18:07:37 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 30 May 2003 13:07:34 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UI7XU20851 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 30 May 2003 13:07:33 -0500 Received: (qmail 4280 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 16:56:54 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 30 May 2003 16:56:54 -0000 Received: from web41405.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.71]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 30 May 2003 11:54:02 -0500 Message-ID: <20030530165402.21129.qmail@web41405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.163.103.14] by web41405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 May 2003 09:54:02 PDT Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:54:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Wikipedia To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2003 16:54:03.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[12FE37A0:01C326CC] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jandek the site is called the wikipedia and it is an online eycyclopedia. the above link is its entry on Jandek. No new information, but check out what the author has to say about the cover photos. For _I Woke Up_, he conjectures that the old couch pictured could be the same one as the cover of RFTH. That's a really cool thought, although probably not true. D.M. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6008 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 18:07:54 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 30 May 2003 18:07:54 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.northwestern.edu ([129.105.100.5]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 30 May 2003 13:07:51 -0500 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4UI7ow20875 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 30 May 2003 13:07:50 -0500 Received: (qmail 4349 invoked from network); 30 May 2003 17:05:02 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 30 May 2003 17:05:02 -0000 Received: from web41412.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.78]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 30 May 2003 12:03:36 -0500 Message-ID: <20030530170335.96996.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.163.103.14] by web41412.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 May 2003 10:03:35 PDT Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:03:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Marks Subject: yahoo To: Jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2003 17:03:36.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[68956C00:01C326CD] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Jandek gets some mentions on yahoo's outsider music forums.... here's what one guy had to say about some albums: "you walk alone is consensually one of the more "accessible" jandek records, and i believe has just been reissued on cd. likewise lost cause, and i also particularly like the living end and twelfth apostle. i started with blue corpse, another excellent record which seems as good a place as any. lost cause, follow your own footsteps, blue corpse and you walk alone belong to a "middle period" long held to be jandek's peak by many enthusiasts. this may be at least partly explained by the fact that before this year these records had long been out of print and therefore the hardest to get and most desirable- but they are undeniably an "easier" listen than much of his/their other work. seth tisue's jandek site is well worth a look to get a better idea of what's going on..." is this anyone on the list? Irwin Chusid likes to post on these forums. Here's something he said about a corwood greatest hits compilation: "...[To make a best-of compilation] would be redundant. EVERY Jandek album contains nothing but his "best." The man has achieved a stratosphere of excellence from which he rarely loses altitude." I think he's being sarcastic. check out the posts. I think it's mostly the same people as are on this list, but perhaps one of them isn't on the list and has said something we've missed. D.M. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com