Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5420 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2003 14:04:20 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Mar 2003 14:04:20 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DE4Ik03096 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:04:18 -0600 Received: (qmail 4761 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2003 12:11:06 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Mar 2003 12:11:06 -0000 Received: from spf1.us.outblaze.com ([205.158.62.158] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:10:54 -0600 Received: (qmail 22528 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2003 12:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (205.158.62.68) by spf1.us.outblaze.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2003 12:10:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 46623 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2003 12:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.57) by 205-158-62-153.outblaze.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2003 12:10:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 37362 invoked by uid 1001); 13 Mar 2003 12:10:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20030313121052.37361.qmail@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [68.41.100.16] by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com with http for crushtacoes@mail.com; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:10:52 -0500 From: "Joe Henry" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu, seth@tisue.net Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:10:52 -0500 Subject: Somebody in the Snow Lyrics X-Originating-Ip: 68.41.100.16 X-Originating-Server: ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2003 12:10:54.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[98957CD0:01C2E959] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk First off, I want to correct my own transcription of the song "I Stepped Out Of It". There's a line which I write as "Everyone in this room/Some money coming to them", but I would like you to change it to "Everyone in this room/Saw money coming to them". Below are the lyrics to some songs on "Somebody in the Snow". TELL ME WHO YOU ARE Jandek: Alright alright alright alright It’s alright I had a dream Came to me twice I had a dream I had a dream Came to me twice Girl: I had a nightmare Jandek: Oh, your voice came in the night Girl: Show me what is there Jandek: It was oh so nice In the night Girl: Was it a plastic dream? Jandek: Tickle myself in your arms Just once, just once, one night. Girl: Fallin into corners I’m Fallin in the street Jandek: Just come and tell me Who you, who you are Just tell me tonight Girl: Tell me about your fantasy Give me your doorway Jandek: I had a dream Came to me twice Girl: I grasp it lightly Then I grasp it hard Jandek: When you first came to me I lost it, in the night Won’t you return? Girl: Tell me that it’s orange, tell – STICK WITH ME Steven, don’t you know that I be breathin Steven, I wish you weren’t leavin Steven, you got me believin Steven, aw I wished you were deceivin Steve, don’t leave Steve, don’t make me grieve Steven, I’ll fall in love with my friend And when you wanna bargain You’ll have to forgive my (???) Please Steve Think it over, give me another chance! Steve, don’t leave Don’t leave me Stevie Come on, stick with me SENSE OF REASON Did you ever think about me? Did you ever say my name? Did you ever want to be me? Aw, did you ever, did you ever Oh, baby, now that I’m without you I can’t help but think about you You took away my sense of motion You took away my sense of time I lost my very reason WHAT YOU GIVE ME You give what you give me And I get a lot You give what you give me Chirst told Moses On a merry old day “You got work to do.” I can’t chase no one person Mess me up, and I ain’t no good There’s lots of people and lots of (???) You give what you give me I got to tell you I take what I want I don’t take nothin You can take what you want You give what you give me BRING IT IN A MANGER You questioned her legs, spread on the table Vultures that prey in her bosom, cursed her questions Said she was dead anyway A virgin mild scream She wasn’t dead, just wasted Said I’ll find a true eagle some day Give him my genitals in a paper cup Give him my soul and rainbow Lie (???), sing this song Take a god (guard?) from his list Push a baby from these legs Bring it to him in a manger -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15030 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2003 22:55:01 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Mar 2003 22:55:01 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2DMstk09141 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:54:55 -0600 Received: (qmail 14990 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2003 22:52:43 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 13 Mar 2003 22:52:43 -0000 Received: from web41406.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.72]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:52:37 -0600 Message-ID: <20030313225236.9138.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.162.245.124] by web41406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:52:36 PST Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:52:36 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Marks Subject: One Foot in the Door To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2003 22:52:37.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E3F0350:01C2E9B3] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk ::::more lyrics for "One Foot":::: "Real Fine Movement" It's a nice ??? When your ??? ??? We can watch (wash?) it It's a crazy melody But you can sing it There's a nice Jamaican twist To turn your arm I went to get some gas Around the corner A pretty lady made me stop To sing a song For you For you For you For you "Angel" With your wrinkless wisdom And your arms(?) faking With your eyes, brittle And your heart of stone Well I think i see a weasel Come climbin' off the floor Since the say my baby left the door With your key all broken And your face a-flutter With your spare ribs groaning And you're panic-stricken What's that you're wearing? I feel you in my soul Since the day I turned around Day I turned around Day I turned around With your fingers missing And your paper dreams "Yellow Pages" You've got to help me dear Because there's no release You got to be my guide Ridin' by my side I got a sickness now When my ??? seems You got my very dreams I took a chance now Chance for romance now Don't Let me leave You've got to help me dear Because there's no release From this tangled beast He's gotta(??) walking straight Straight to the stockyard gate I ain't about to die But you can have your way Don't ever go away 'Cause you know everything Hangs from a golden chain Around your white neck I'm spendin' time now With the great ones That hang from your ceiling You've got to help me dear Because there's no release From this tangled beast -------------------------------------- Hope you enjoy D.M. ===== Take nothing and no one seriously. Daniel S. Marks- Author, musician, admirer of pretty things. http://www.geocities.com/alfredggnome http://www.casualfridaysband.com http://www.mp3.com/CasualFridays __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 17220 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2003 02:37:47 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 14 Mar 2003 02:37:47 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2E2bdR10590 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:37:39 -0600 Received: (qmail 16812 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2003 01:37:43 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 14 Mar 2003 01:37:43 -0000 Received: from spf1.us.outblaze.com ([205.158.62.158] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:37:36 -0600 Received: (qmail 13865 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2003 01:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (205.158.62.68) by spf1.us.outblaze.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2003 01:36:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 78137 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2003 01:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.55) by 205-158-62-153.outblaze.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2003 01:37:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 96465 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Mar 2003 01:37:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20030314013716.96464.qmail@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [68.41.100.16] by ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for crushtacoes@mail.com; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:37:16 -0500 From: "Joe Henry" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:37:16 -0500 Subject: Re: One Foot in the Door X-Originating-Ip: 68.41.100.16 X-Originating-Server: ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2003 01:37:36.0987 (UTC) FILETIME=[4AF28AB0:01C2E9CA] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Good work on the lyrics. I'll try to fill in a couple holes: I think the first line to "Real Fine Movement" is "It's a nice painting". On "Yellow Pages" the first phrase is "You've got to help me dear/Because there's no release/From this tangled beast" And later in the song the line is "I got a sickness now/When I'm gone it seems/You got my very dreams". -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24050 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2003 01:34:58 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 17 Mar 2003 01:34:58 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H1Yp311675 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:34:51 -0600 Received: (qmail 8160 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2003 06:35:15 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 16 Mar 2003 06:35:15 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.22.17] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:31:07 -0600 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:31:06 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [4.60.185.141] From: "Jandek Documentary" To: Subject: Jandek vs. Robert Johnson Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:35:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2EB43.1DE10EA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2003 06:31:06.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FFB4EE0:01C2EB85] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2EB43.1DE10EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Group, Just wondering if anyone's considered the similarity between the Jandek = Six and Six cover and the more famous of the two surviving Robert = Johnson pictures. A comparison photo here [http://www.jandekoncorwood.com/jrj112358.jpg] . Please shout me down if you think I'm stretching (at all) in thinking = the two are similar... (perhaps even a conscious homage). (curtain, head position, composition, expression... and there seems to = be a very eerie similarity in the eyes, especially). Like I said... call me on my stuff if you think I'm reaching. Just = something to spark some discussion. Paul ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2EB43.1DE10EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Group,

Just wondering if = anyone's considered=20 the similarity between the Jandek Six and Six cover and the more famous = of the=20 two surviving Robert Johnson pictures.

A comparison photo here [http= ://www.jandekoncorwood.com/jrj112358.jpg]=20 .

Please shout me down if you think I'm stretching (at all) in = thinking=20 the two are similar... (perhaps even a conscious=20 homage).

(curtain, head position, composition, = expression... and=20 there seems to be a very eerie similarity in the eyes, = especially).

Like=20 I said... call me on my stuff if you think I'm reaching.  Just = something to=20 spark some discussion.

Paul
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2EB43.1DE10EA0-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24560 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2003 02:17:45 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 17 Mar 2003 02:17:45 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H2HcW12373 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:17:38 -0600 Received: (qmail 24497 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2003 02:12:55 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 17 Mar 2003 02:12:55 -0000 Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.34]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:06:48 -0600 Received: from SmashBlocked@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id l.74.2c0211c7 (16781) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:06:38 -0500 (EST) From: SmashBlocked@aol.com Message-ID: <74.2c0211c7.2ba687ae@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:06:38 EST Subject: Jandek vs. Robert Johnson To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_74.2c0211c7.2ba687ae_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10638 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2003 02:06:48.0836 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE5EBC40:01C2EC29] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --part1_74.2c0211c7.2ba687ae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would say there is a striking similarity. Mystery surrounds both artist. Very similar picture. Perhaps Jandek sold his musical talent to the devil in exchange for a soul. :D jon! --part1_74.2c0211c7.2ba687ae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would say there is a striking similarity.
Mystery surrounds both artist.
Very similar picture. 
Perhaps Jandek sold his musical talent to the devil in exchange for a soul.<= BR>
:D
jon! --part1_74.2c0211c7.2ba687ae_boundary-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24793 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2003 02:17:56 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 17 Mar 2003 02:17:56 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H2Hnu12399 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:17:49 -0600 Received: (qmail 24496 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2003 02:12:55 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 17 Mar 2003 02:12:55 -0000 Received: from spf1.us.outblaze.com ([205.158.62.158] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:00:31 -0600 Received: (qmail 6032 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2003 01:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (205.158.62.68) by spf1.us.outblaze.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2003 01:59:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 52277 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2003 02:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.55) by 205-158-62-153.outblaze.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2003 02:00:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 78526 invoked by uid 1001); 17 Mar 2003 02:00:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20030317020026.78525.qmail@mail.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [68.41.100.16] by ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for crushtacoes@mail.com; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:00:26 -0500 From: "Joe Henry" To: "Jandek Documentary" , jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:00:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Jandek vs. Robert Johnson X-Originating-Ip: 68.41.100.16 X-Originating-Server: ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2003 02:00:31.0994 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDC135A0:01C2EC28] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk

Wow, good find. I agree that they are very much alike, but I am unsure as to whether it is intentional or not. But it would make quite a coincidence.

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Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 25409 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2003 03:15:21 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 17 Mar 2003 03:15:21 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H3FD413206 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:15:13 -0600 Received: (qmail 25338 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2003 03:03:06 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 17 Mar 2003 03:03:06 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.245.170] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:56:53 -0600 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:56:53 -0800 Received: from 65.244.211.138 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:56:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.244.211.138] From: "brian t" To: SmashBlocked@aol.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Jandek vs. Robert Johnson Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:56:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2003 02:56:53.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD117790:01C2EC30] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5348 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2003 23:15:17 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 17 Mar 2003 23:15:17 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HNFBE23125 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:15:11 -0600 Received: (qmail 5313 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2003 23:14:10 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 17 Mar 2003 23:14:10 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.245.106] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:08:59 -0600 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:08:58 -0800 Received: from 24.239.157.108 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:08:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.239.157.108] From: "dave m." To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Jandek vs. Robert Johnson Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:08:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2003 23:08:58.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[310B1230:01C2ECDA] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i hadn't, no, but it's now my wallpaper. thanks! -d From: "Jandek Documentary" >To: >Subject: Jandek vs. Robert Johnson >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:35:01 -0800 > >Group, > >Just wondering if anyone's considered the similarity between the Jandek Six >and Six cover and the more famous of the two surviving Robert Johnson >pictures. > >A comparison photo here [http://www.jandekoncorwood.com/jrj112358.jpg] . > >Please shout me down if you think I'm stretching (at all) in thinking the >two are similar... (perhaps even a conscious homage). > >(curtain, head position, composition, expression... and there seems to be a >very eerie similarity in the eyes, especially). > >Like I said... call me on my stuff if you think I'm reaching. Just >something to spark some discussion. > >Paul _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12206 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2003 14:17:09 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 18 Mar 2003 14:17:09 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IEH7U28834 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:17:07 -0600 Received: (qmail 10233 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2003 07:54:09 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 18 Mar 2003 07:54:09 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.22.196] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:50:53 -0600 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:50:53 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [4.60.186.42] From: "Jandek Documentary" To: Subject: jandekoncorwood.com website update Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:54:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2ECE0.9CEFB5E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2003 07:50:53.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[19B1DBC0:01C2ED23] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2ECE0.9CEFB5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey guys... We've tried to spare you the minutiae of the website updates... But... We added a "news and links" page to the front page of = www.jandekoncorwood.com .. and that should expedite the process of = disseminating "Jandek on Corwood" release/distribution info. Don't let this stop you from asking specific questions, though... we're = ready to do that. In the words of the man at Corwood... Anything else... just ask, Paul ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2ECE0.9CEFB5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey guys...

We've tried to spare = you the=20 minutiae of the website updates...

But...

We added a "news = and=20 links" page to the front page of www.jandekoncorwood.com .. = and that=20 should expedite the process of disseminating "Jandek on Corwood"=20 release/distribution info.

Don't let this stop you from asking = specific=20 questions, though... we're ready to do that.

In the words of the = man at=20 Corwood...

Anything else... just=20 ask,

Paul
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2ECE0.9CEFB5E0-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14883 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2003 18:02:28 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 18 Mar 2003 18:02:28 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2II2Oa31639 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:02:24 -0600 Received: (qmail 14837 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2003 17:59:37 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 18 Mar 2003 17:59:37 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.31.89] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:59:34 -0600 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:59:33 -0800 Received: from 62.254.160.106 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:59:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.254.160.106] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Jandek vs. Robert Johnson Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:59:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2003 17:59:33.0606 (UTC) FILETIME=[21A42860:01C2ED78] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Funny you should mention that - the first time I saw a photo of Jandek was that one, heading a short version of the Chusid article in Mojo magazine, and I subsequently got it into my head that it was the only known photo of him. (Obviously it was a bit of a shock to see all the album sleeves on the site later.) I might've been making a Johnson connection there since there's only two known pics of him. Paul _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12784 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 14:42:04 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 14:42:04 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KEg1V27200 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:42:01 -0600 Received: (qmail 10999 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 09:50:17 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 09:50:17 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.22.47] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:50:17 -0600 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:50:17 -0800 Received: from 4.60.186.42 by dav54.law15.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:50:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.60.186.42] X-Originating-Email: [jandocumentary@hotmail.com] From: "Jandek Documentary" To: Subject: one more significant Jandek on Corwood website update Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:54:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2EE83.A6881DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2003 09:50:17.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[1CBFC3A0:01C2EEC6] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2EE83.A6881DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Group- We're getting about 4-8 emails a day all asking "when can we see Jandek = on Corwood". We realized that this was an oversight on our part, and = that we hadn't addressed that on our website. We added a "how can I see Jandek on Corwood" page... linked on the front = page of the website.=20 We appreciate the enthusiasm that Jandek fans have for the film, and = would like to nurture it. There are step by step instructions on how = you can see the film in ASAP on the website. We're talking to publicists... and we don't think it'll be necessary to = book flights to Toronto to see this movie in a timely manner. Here's = hoping. Anything else... just ask, Paul www.jandekoncorwood.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2EE83.A6881DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Group-

We're getting about 4-8 = emails a day=20 all asking "when can we see Jandek on Corwood".  We = realized that=20 this was an oversight on our part, and that we hadn't addressed that on = our=20 website.

We added a "how can I see Jandek on Corwood" = page...=20 linked on the front page of the website.

We appreciate the = enthusiasm=20 that Jandek fans have for the film, and would like to nurture it.  = There=20 are step by step instructions on how you can see the film in ASAP = on the=20 website.

We're talking to publicists... and we don't think it'll = be=20 necessary to book flights to Toronto to see this movie in a timely = manner. =20 Here's hoping.

Anything else... just ask,

Paul
www.jandekoncorwood.com/
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2EE83.A6881DA0-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15386 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 17:47:22 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 17:47:22 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KHlIv29929 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:47:18 -0600 Received: (qmail 15360 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 17:46:35 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 17:46:35 -0000 Received: from waste.org ([209.173.204.2]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:45:39 -0600 Received: from waste.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by waste.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h2KHjTN6023509; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:45:29 -0600 Received: from localhost (crash@localhost) by waste.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h2KHjSPn023504; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:45:28 -0600 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:45:28 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Madson To: Jandek Documentary cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: one more significant Jandek on Corwood website update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2003 17:45:40.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[85E3F080:01C2EF08] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk One thought: So, eventually, would it be out of the question to someday be able to buy the "Jandek on Corwood Special Edition DVD"? And it would be nice to have a deleted scenes section with things like a certain Mr. Smith running away from the camera... -t On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Jandek Documentary wrote: > Group- > > We're getting about 4-8 emails a day all asking "when can we see Jandek on Corwood". We realized that this was an oversight on our part, and that we hadn't addressed that on our website. > > We added a "how can I see Jandek on Corwood" page... linked on the front page of the website. > > We appreciate the enthusiasm that Jandek fans have for the film, and would like to nurture it. There are step by step instructions on how you can see the film in ASAP on the website. > > We're talking to publicists... and we don't think it'll be necessary to book flights to Toronto to see this movie in a timely manner. Here's hoping. > > Anything else... just ask, > > Paul > www.jandekoncorwood.com/ > -- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29045 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 19:59:38 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 19:59:38 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2LJxX710015 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:59:33 -0600 Received: (qmail 29024 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 19:57:57 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 19:57:57 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.15.118] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:52:26 -0600 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:52:26 -0800 Received: from 209.192.220.130 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:52:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.192.220.130] X-Originating-Email: [oliveralden@hotmail.com] From: "Oliver Alden" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: 1st 3 on ebay Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:52:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2003 19:52:26.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[65C020E0:01C2EFE3] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk

I put these on for a friend & thought you folks might like to know.  Thanks.

Ready For The House     http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2262&item=2517751746&rd=1

Six and Six     http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2262&item=2517746516&rd=1

Later On     http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2262&item=2517748259&rd=1

- Oliver Alden
Down with pants!
Put an umbrella in your mouth and open it.

STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 747 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 02:22:38 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 02:22:38 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2M2MU013600 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 20:22:30 -0600 Received: (qmail 32753 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 01:06:27 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 01:06:27 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.22.194] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:03:47 -0600 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:03:47 -0800 Received: from 4.60.186.42 by dav59.law15.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 01:03:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.60.186.42] X-Originating-Email: [jandocumentary@hotmail.com] From: "Jandek Documentary" To: Subject: Jandek ebay items and LP scarcity Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:08:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2EFCC.74506D70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2003 01:03:47.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4A85280:01C2F00E] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2EFCC.74506D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> I put these on for a friend & thought=20 >> you folks might like to know. Thanks. I don't want to hurt your friend's chances of getting a good price, and = I don't think this message will do that (might even help him, overall). One thing I've noticed, and been confused by, is the "monetary value" of = various Jandek recordings. It's not at all uncommon for a copy of = "Ready for the House" to go for in excess of $100. It's also not = uncommon to find a copy in a record store for $12. It's all very = confusing. Food for thought; "Ready for the House" had an initial press run of = 1000 copies, (and may have had a supplementary vinyl pressing, but we're = not sure). Apparently Corwood had overestimated the albums initial = demand, because their reaction was to press "Six and Six" and "Later On" = in much smaller batches (300 copies, each). I would think, all other things aside (the beautiful color cover, and = the tendency of album collectors to fetishize first albums), that the = second through eighth albums are almost certainly many times more rare = than "Ready for the House." It is almost a certainty that many copies of RFtH were thrown away or = lost... but I'd think that the same would be true of "Six and Six." If I were building a Jandek record collection, I would be willing to pay = many times more for these albums than RFtH. Food for thought, Paul ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2EFCC.74506D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> I put=20 these on for a friend & thought
>> you folks = might like to=20 know.  Thanks.

I don't want to hurt your friend's chances of = getting=20 a good price, and I don't think this message will do that (might even = help him,=20 overall).

One thing I've noticed, and been confused by, is the = "monetary=20 value" of various Jandek recordings.  It's not at all uncommon for = a copy=20 of "Ready for the House" to go for in excess of $100.  It's also = not=20 uncommon to find a copy in a record store for $12.  It's all very=20 confusing.

Food for thought;  "Ready for the House" = had an=20 initial press run of 1000 copies, (and may have had a supplementary = vinyl=20 pressing, but we're not sure).  Apparently Corwood had = overestimated the=20 albums initial demand, because their reaction was to press "Six and Six" = and=20 "Later On" in much smaller batches (300 copies, = each).

I would=20 think, all other things aside (the beautiful color cover, and the = tendency of=20 album collectors to fetishize first albums), that the second through = eighth=20 albums are almost certainly many times more rare than "Ready for the=20 House."

It is almost a certainty that many copies of RFtH were = thrown=20 away or lost... but I'd think that the same would be true of "Six and=20 Six."

If I were building a Jandek record collection, I would be = willing to=20 pay many times more for these albums than RFtH.

Food for=20 thought,
Paul
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2EFCC.74506D70-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1105 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 02:39:02 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 02:39:02 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2M2css13693 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 20:38:54 -0600 Received: (qmail 1056 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 02:33:10 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 02:33:10 -0000 Received: from web41413.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.79]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 21 Mar 2003 20:29:50 -0600 Message-ID: <20030322022949.66998.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.160.161.76] by web41413.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 18:29:49 PST Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 18:29:49 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: Jandek ebay items and LP scarcity To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2003 02:29:50.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9D806E0:01C2F01A] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I've always thought his rarest album was "Twelfth Apostle" because it was the last LP, and by that time he's stopped sending boxes to all the stations. But it's hard to say. The ones I see the least on Ebay are the later Early Period albums, from "Chair.." to "Telegraph Melts". The Middle Period stuff is up quite often. But I don't see a lot of CDs. Another rare album will be Graven Image. The Cds aren't being reissued as far as we know, and so that means while about six hundred copies of each LP including its CD counterpart are floating around, the CD-only albums will continue to become more and more rare. And in the case of the spoken-word Trilogy, that's probobly a good thing. "Each one floats around the country like an old dead leaf painted purple"-Byron Coley D.M. --- Jandek Documentary wrote: > >> I put these on for a friend & thought > >> you folks might like to know. Thanks. > > I don't want to hurt your friend's chances of > getting a good price, and I don't think this message > will do that (might even help him, overall). > > One thing I've noticed, and been confused by, is the > "monetary value" of various Jandek recordings. It's > not at all uncommon for a copy of "Ready for the > House" to go for in excess of $100. It's also not > uncommon to find a copy in a record store for $12. > It's all very confusing. > > Food for thought; "Ready for the House" had an > initial press run of 1000 copies, (and may have had > a supplementary vinyl pressing, but we're not sure). > Apparently Corwood had overestimated the albums > initial demand, because their reaction was to press > "Six and Six" and "Later On" in much smaller batches > (300 copies, each). > > I would think, all other things aside (the beautiful > color cover, and the tendency of album collectors to > fetishize first albums), that the second through > eighth albums are almost certainly many times more > rare than "Ready for the House." > > It is almost a certainty that many copies of RFtH > were thrown away or lost... but I'd think that the > same would be true of "Six and Six." > > If I were building a Jandek record collection, I > would be willing to pay many times more for these > albums than RFtH. > > Food for thought, > Paul > ===== Take nothing and no one seriously. Daniel S. Marks- Author, musician, admirer of pretty things. http://www.geocities.com/alfredggnome http://www.casualfridaysband.com http://www.mp3.com/CasualFridays __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5938 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 16:41:06 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 16:41:06 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2MGf2l17584 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:41:02 -0600 Received: (qmail 2975 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 08:00:45 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 08:00:45 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.22.16] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 22 Mar 2003 01:45:43 -0600 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 23:45:42 -0800 Received: from 4.60.186.42 by dav44.law15.hotmail.com with DAV; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:45:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.60.186.42] X-Originating-Email: [jandocumentary@hotmail.com] From: "Jandek Documentary" To: Subject: Re: Jandek LP scarcity Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 23:50:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C2F004.9A66D0C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2003 07:45:42.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A55BAD0:01C2F047] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C2F004.9A66D0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>I've always thought his rarest album was "Twelfth >>Apostle" because it was the last LP, and by that time >>he's stopped sending boxes to all the stations.=20 This is very interesting... I too have noticed that "Twelfth Apostle" is = quite a bit more rare in record stores, and always commands a higher = price. It's very rare in Jandek fans' collections, as well. This is a shame, because it's an absolutely beautiful cover... probably = my favorite. If you have seen the LP, you'll know what I'm talking = about... 600x600px images on a website can't do it justice... the colors = are vibrant and the image is very clear. Breathtaking. But, I don't know that the reason is that he'd stopped sending boxes to = stations. Assuming that he had a standard order for "X" number of = copies established by that time... sending less to stations would mean = that he would have more to sell... (see next paragraph) Another note on vinyl; We talked with many, many people who talked = about the vinyl availability simply *vanishing* in 1994. As hard as it = is to believe... anyone wanting to buy a complete Jandek vinyl = discography could do so until 1994. He was even supplying Forced = Exposure with vinyl at that time. The feeling I get was that shortly = after they switched to CD there was a collective "oh shit" feeling among = the small group of Jandek fans... and they bought out the vinyl = COMPLETELY over the course of the next few months. I'd love to hear any other theories on why this album is so much more = rare... it's puzzling. >>Another rare >>album will be Graven Image.=20 >>The Cds aren't being >>reissued as far as we know,=20 I don't think there has been a CD reissue... but I don't think it'd be = all that hard to arrange one, would it? I don't know much about this... Paul ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C2F004.9A66D0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>I've=20 always thought his rarest album was "Twelfth
>>Apostle" because = it was=20 the last LP, and by that time
>>he's stopped sending boxes to = all the=20 stations.

This is very interesting... I too have noticed that = "Twelfth=20 Apostle" is quite a bit more rare in record stores, and always commands = a higher=20 price.  It's very rare in Jandek fans' collections, as = well.

This is=20 a shame, because it's an absolutely beautiful cover... probably my=20 favorite.  If you have seen the LP, you'll know what I'm talking = about...=20 600x600px images on a website can't do it justice... the colors are = vibrant and=20 the image is very clear.  Breathtaking.
 
But, I don't know that the reason is that he'd stopped sending = boxes to=20 stations.  Assuming that he had a standard order for "X" number of = copies=20 established by that time... sending less to stations would mean that he = would=20 have more to sell... (see next paragraph)

Another note on = vinyl;  We=20 talked with many, many people who talked about the vinyl availability = simply=20 *vanishing* in 1994.  As hard as it is to believe... anyone wanting = to buy=20 a complete Jandek vinyl discography could do so until 1994.  He was = even=20 supplying  Forced Exposure with vinyl at that time.  The = feeling I get=20 was that shortly after they switched to CD there was a collective "oh = shit"=20 feeling among the small group of Jandek fans... and they bought out the = vinyl=20 COMPLETELY over the course of the next few months.
 
I'd love to hear any other theories on why this album is so much = more=20 rare... it's puzzling.
 
 
>>Another=20 rare
>>album will be Graven Image.
>>The Cds aren't=20 being
>>reissued as far as we know,

I don't think there = has=20 been a CD reissue... but I don't think it'd be all that hard to arrange = one,=20 would it?  I don't know much about=20 this...

Paul
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C2F004.9A66D0C0-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6167 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 16:41:13 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 16:41:13 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2MGf9E17610 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:41:09 -0600 Received: (qmail 3394 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 09:55:48 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 09:55:48 -0000 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net ([209.15.2.92]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:47:08 -0600 Received: (qmail 29568 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 09:47:08 -0000 Received: from leo.hosting4u.net (HELO waferbaby.com) (209.15.2.51) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 09:47:08 -0000 Received: from john ([24.94.50.69]) by waferbaby.com ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:47:06 -0600 From: "Benjamin Redder" To: "'Daniel Marks'" , Subject: RE: Jandek ebay items and LP scarcity Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 04:45:00 -0500 Message-ID: <004501c2f057$b8ac0f20$0d02a8c0@WorkGroup> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030322022949.66998.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2003 09:47:08.0761 (UTC) FILETIME=[01319490:01C2F058] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Does anyone remember that story about Irwin Chusid's friend using a stack of Ready for the House records as a cushion for the seat of his car? I loved that story. Ben. -----Original Message----- From: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu [mailto:owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Daniel Marks Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 9:30 PM To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Jandek ebay items and LP scarcity I've always thought his rarest album was "Twelfth Apostle" because it was the last LP, and by that time he's stopped sending boxes to all the stations. But it's hard to say. The ones I see the least on Ebay are the later Early Period albums, from "Chair.." to "Telegraph Melts". The Middle Period stuff is up quite often. But I don't see a lot of CDs. Another rare album will be Graven Image. The Cds aren't being reissued as far as we know, and so that means while about six hundred copies of each LP including its CD counterpart are floating around, the CD-only albums will continue to become more and more rare. And in the case of the spoken-word Trilogy, that's probobly a good thing. "Each one floats around the country like an old dead leaf painted purple"-Byron Coley D.M. --- Jandek Documentary wrote: > >> I put these on for a friend & thought > >> you folks might like to know. Thanks. > > I don't want to hurt your friend's chances of > getting a good price, and I don't think this message > will do that (might even help him, overall). > > One thing I've noticed, and been confused by, is the > "monetary value" of various Jandek recordings. It's > not at all uncommon for a copy of "Ready for the > House" to go for in excess of $100. It's also not > uncommon to find a copy in a record store for $12. > It's all very confusing. > > Food for thought; "Ready for the House" had an > initial press run of 1000 copies, (and may have had > a supplementary vinyl pressing, but we're not sure). > Apparently Corwood had overestimated the albums > initial demand, because their reaction was to press > "Six and Six" and "Later On" in much smaller batches > (300 copies, each). > > I would think, all other things aside (the beautiful > color cover, and the tendency of album collectors to > fetishize first albums), that the second through > eighth albums are almost certainly many times more > rare than "Ready for the House." > > It is almost a certainty that many copies of RFtH > were thrown away or lost... but I'd think that the > same would be true of "Six and Six." > > If I were building a Jandek record collection, I > would be willing to pay many times more for these > albums than RFtH. > > Food for thought, > Paul > ===== Take nothing and no one seriously. Daniel S. Marks- Author, musician, admirer of pretty things. http://www.geocities.com/alfredggnome http://www.casualfridaysband.com http://www.mp3.com/CasualFridays __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6411 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 16:41:51 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 16:41:51 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2MGfll17675 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:41:47 -0600 Received: (qmail 5862 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 16:29:50 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 16:29:50 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.31.141] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:21:50 -0600 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:21:49 -0800 Received: from 62.77.173.6 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:21:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.77.173.6] X-Originating-Email: [paulgcondon@hotmail.com] From: "Paul Condon" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Jandek ebay items and LP scarcity Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:21:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2003 16:21:49.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[243D9380:01C2F08F] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >Another rare >album will be Graven Image. The Cds aren't being >reissued as far as we know, I don't see why he wouldn't reissue that - maybe I'm being optimistic, but given the recent rate of reissues, I'd expect the remaining 4 to appear this year. Maybe the covers would be in the newer font which would differentiate them from the originals. And Worthless Recluse rules! Paul _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 7060 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 17:46:18 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 17:46:18 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2MHkEb18218 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:46:14 -0600 Received: (qmail 6981 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 17:40:37 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 17:40:37 -0000 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.36]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:37:47 -0600 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id l.17.377a5ab9 (30950) for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 12:37:37 -0500 (EST) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <17.377a5ab9.2badf961@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 12:37:37 EST Subject: Re: Jandek ebay items and LP scarcity To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X sub 20 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2003 17:37:47.0549 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0D2ACD0:01C2F099] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Then he can start doing "remastered" editions of the CD-only albums, like Led Zeppelin and Rush. In a message dated 3/22/03 11:42:19 AM, paulgcondon@hotmail.com writes: << >Another rare >album will be Graven Image. The Cds aren't being >reissued as far as we know, I don't see why he wouldn't reissue that - maybe I'm being optimistic, but given the recent rate of reissues, I'd expect the remaining 4 to appear this year. Maybe the covers would be in the newer font which would differentiate them from the originals. And Worthless Recluse rules! Paul >> Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8745 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 20:56:05 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 20:56:05 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2MKtxV19740 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:55:59 -0600 Received: (qmail 7829 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2003 18:39:52 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 22 Mar 2003 18:39:52 -0000 Received: from web41510.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.93]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 22 Mar 2003 12:38:40 -0600 Message-ID: <20030322183836.70601.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.126.199.89] by web41510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:38:36 PST Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:38:36 -0800 (PST) From: Bradley Be Subject: Re: Jandek ebay items and LP scarcity To: jandek list In-Reply-To: <17.377a5ab9.2badf961@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2003 18:38:40.0463 (UTC) FILETIME=[42211DF0:01C2F0A2] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Next he needs to create new analog re-masters & release the whole catalog on 180g Audiophile LPs :) --- NCR13@aol.com wrote: > Then he can start doing "remastered" editions of the > CD-only albums, like Led > Zeppelin and Rush. > > > In a message dated 3/22/03 11:42:19 AM, > paulgcondon@hotmail.com writes: > > << >Another rare > >album will be Graven Image. The Cds aren't being > >reissued as far as we know, > > I don't see why he wouldn't reissue that - maybe I'm > being optimistic, but > given the recent rate of reissues, I'd expect the > remaining 4 to appear this > year. Maybe the covers would be in the newer font > which would differentiate > them from the originals. > And Worthless Recluse rules! > > Paul >> ===== http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee http://www.mp3.com/bohdi __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11005 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 01:31:22 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 01:31:22 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2N1VEg21937 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 19:31:14 -0600 Received: (qmail 10972 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 01:28:16 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 01:28:16 -0000 Received: from spf1.us.outblaze.com ([205.158.62.158] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 22 Mar 2003 19:20:42 -0600 Received: (qmail 26082 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 01:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (205.158.62.68) by spf1.us.outblaze.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2003 01:19:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 96189 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 01:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.55) by 205-158-62-153.outblaze.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 01:20:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 80206 invoked by uid 1001); 23 Mar 2003 01:20:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20030323012037.80205.qmail@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [68.41.100.16] by ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for crushtacoes@mail.com; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 20:20:37 -0500 From: "Joe Henry" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 20:20:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Jandek ebay items and LP scarcity X-Originating-Ip: 68.41.100.16 X-Originating-Server: ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2003 01:20:42.0527 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BFFFAF0:01C2F0DA] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk First off, I was surprised to hear about the value/scarcity of "Twelfth Apostle", which I recently bought from a small record store for $20 or so. I'm inclined to agree with Paul about Ready For The House not being as rare as the rest of the early period albums. I check ebay regularly to see what's for sale in the way of Jandek, and am impressed with how consistent the auctions for the albums come up. At first I thought wouldn't be very smart to buy the records now that they are being reissued, but the differences in sound beween the original and cd versions (especially those that are in the mid-period) are very real, which lends some importance to owning the original LPs. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12888 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 06:06:33 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 06:06:33 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2N66Nh23545 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 00:06:23 -0600 Received: (qmail 11742 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 03:04:57 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 03:04:57 -0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.37]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 22 Mar 2003 21:02:30 -0600 Received: from OLLIEREGAN@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id u.f7.2a1fe219 (4418); Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:01:43 -0500 (EST) From: OLLIEREGAN@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:01:43 EST Subject: Re: Jandek ebay items and LP scarcity To: crushtacoes@mail.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f7.2a1fe219.2bae7d97_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2003 03:02:30.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[A49E6C80:01C2F0E8] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --part1_f7.2a1fe219.2bae7d97_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello everyone: i have almost every jandek album, love him & tell everybody about him, but do you (the same people who always send these e-mails) think you have a problem, my girlfriend thinks i have one about daniel johnston, i just laugh at some of the concepts you discuss, i wonder what will be next, you seem to be past the denial stage, well with that aside, here is my 1st one, give me the jandek 20 greatest hits album, i have always wanted to send someone a jandek comp & wanted to know a ballot result of favorite songs, please help, thanks. ollie --part1_f7.2a1fe219.2bae7d97_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello everyone: i have almost every jandek album, love him &= amp; tell everybody about him, but do you (the same people who always send t= hese e-mails) think you have a problem, my girlfriend thinks i have one abou= t daniel johnston, i just laugh at some of the concepts you discuss, i wonde= r what will be next, you seem to be past the denial stage, well with that as= ide, here is my 1st one, give me the jandek 20 greatest hits album, i have a= lways wanted to send someone a jandek comp & wanted to know a ballot res= ult of favorite songs, please help, thanks. ollie --part1_f7.2a1fe219.2bae7d97_boundary-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 24762 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 17:22:58 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 17:22:58 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2NHMsF02930 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:22:54 -0600 Received: (qmail 24645 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 17:05:04 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 17:05:04 -0000 Received: from web41409.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.75]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:05:00 -0600 Message-ID: <20030323170456.84847.qmail@web41409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.160.142.149] by web41409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:04:56 PST Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:04:56 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: failure delivery To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2003 17:05:00.0446 (UTC) FILETIME=[56C053E0:01C2F15E] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Am I alone in saying that this guy's post made no sense? D.M. --- OLLIEREGAN@aol.com wrote: > hello everyone: i have almost every jandek album, > love him & tell everybody > about him, but do you (the same people who always > send these e-mails) think > you have a problem, my girlfriend thinks i have one > about daniel johnston, i > just laugh at some of the concepts you discuss, i > wonder what will be next, > you seem to be past the denial stage, well with that > aside, here is my 1st > one, give me the jandek 20 greatest hits album, i > have always wanted to send > someone a jandek comp & wanted to know a ballot > result of favorite songs, > please help, thanks. ollie ===== Take nothing and no one seriously. Daniel S. Marks- Author, musician, admirer of pretty things. http://www.geocities.com/alfredggnome http://www.casualfridaysband.com http://www.mp3.com/CasualFridays __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 25542 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 18:40:25 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 18:40:25 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2NIeKW03970 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:40:20 -0600 Received: (qmail 25522 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 18:38:55 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 18:38:55 -0000 Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.162]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:38:50 -0600 Received: from OLLIEREGAN@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id r.2b.3be59207 (18251); Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:38:36 -0500 (EST) From: OLLIEREGAN@aol.com Message-ID: <2b.3be59207.2baf592c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:38:36 EST Subject: Re: failure delivery To: alfredggnome@yahoo.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2b.3be59207.2baf592c_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2003 18:38:50.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[72C73DD0:01C2F16B] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --part1_2b.3be59207.2baf592c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry if it made no sense my 2 questions again were: (a) & i am not trying to insult anyone, but have you ever considered your obsession with jandek could be a problem (not healthy)? (i.e talking about digitally remastered cd's & similarities between a picture of robert johnson & jandek is kind of absurd when you think about it) (b) what are your favorite 20 jandek songs? thanks so much --part1_2b.3be59207.2baf592c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sorry if it made no sense my 2 questions again were:

(a) & i am not trying to insult anyone, but have you ever considered you= r obsession with jandek could be a problem (not healthy)? (i.e talking about= digitally remastered cd's & similarities between a picture of robert jo= hnson & jandek is kind of absurd when you think about it)

(b) what are your favorite 20 jandek songs?

thanks so much
 --part1_2b.3be59207.2baf592c_boundary-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27875 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 23:55:17 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 23:55:17 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2NNtAl07711 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:55:10 -0600 Received: (qmail 27843 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2003 23:53:52 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 23:53:52 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.247.97] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:53:45 -0600 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:53:45 -0800 Received: from 12.84.202.83 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:53:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.84.202.83] X-Originating-Email: [scullylily@hotmail.com] From: "Courtney Jacobs" To: OLLIEREGAN@aol.com, alfredggnome@yahoo.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: failure delivery Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:53:45 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2003 23:53:45.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[70E24D30:01C2F197] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk ok newbie, this isn't brain surgery... "i am not trying to insult anyone" -------- here comes the but, which always indicates the opposite: --------- "but have you ever considered your obsession with jandek could be a problem (not healthy)?" -------- i know that i for one find solace delving into some myseterious, intriguing artist, so that i can not only distract myself from various american propaganda, but also gain a healthier sense of appreciation for all realms of art. if it doesn't challenge me, im not always necessarily interested. ---------- "(i.e talking about digitally remastered cd's & similarities between a picture of robert johnson & jandek is kind of absurd when you think about it)" ----------- so is supporting the capitalist regieme (spelled wrong) of gooey, candy pop music. why are you even subscribed to this if it doesn't float your boat? its communication. its comprehension. its therapy from an absurdist buisness (also probably spelled wrong) that music is manufactured from. you can think this is unhealthy (go right ahead)...but what do you do for fun? frankly, it doesn't matter to me. ive never been much of a fanatic for well, anything. i just like to absorb what interests me. ---------- "what are your favorite 20 jandek songs?" ---------- you honestly then, after calling members of this list unhealthy and absurd, want to know what are faveorite songs are? who cares what i like...make up your own list. and as for daniel johnson, or any other artist that you like and someone else may not (for that matter): its not like i expect any one of my friends to listen to jandek and like it the same way. if you are so concerned about what others think about what bands you listen to, go join the strokes discussion list. jandek is like my own personal imaginary friend. if i tell too many people about him, ill probably end up in a nuthouse. but then again, im a big fan of 'drop dead fred', so i probably have no authority in any of this. and this email makes me sound like a commie. courtney _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 28276 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 00:19:55 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 00:19:55 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2O0Jlm07915 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:19:47 -0600 Received: (qmail 28231 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 00:16:23 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 00:16:23 -0000 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.161]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:16:17 -0600 Received: from SmashBlocked@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id l.1e.d5aeb57 (3310) for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:16:15 -0500 (EST) From: SmashBlocked@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.d5aeb57.2bafa84f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:16:15 EST Subject: Re: failure delivery To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e.d5aeb57.2bafa84f_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10638 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2003 00:16:17.0252 (UTC) FILETIME=[96879240:01C2F19A] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --part1_1e.d5aeb57.2bafa84f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/23/2003 6:02:29 PM Central Standard Time, scullylily@hotmail.com writes: > jandek is like my own personal imaginary friend. if i tell too many people > about him, ill probably end up in a nuthouse. but then again, im a big fan > > of 'drop dead fred', so i probably have no authority in any of this. and > this email makes me sound like a commie. > > courtney "Drop Dead Fred" was played by Rik Mayall of "The Young Ones". He is great. That is all. :D jon! --part1_1e.d5aeb57.2bafa84f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/23/2003 6:02:29 PM Central Standa= rd Time, scullylily@hotmail.com writes:


jandek is like my own personal=20= imaginary friend.  if i tell too many people
about him, ill probably end up in a nuthouse.  but then again, im a big= fan
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this email makes me sound like a commie.

courtne
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"Drop Dead Fred" was played=20= by Rik Mayall of "The Young Ones".   He is great. 
That is all.

:D
jon!
 --part1_1e.d5aeb57.2bafa84f_boundary-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 28509 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 00:20:12 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 00:20:12 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2O0K5h07946 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:20:05 -0600 Received: (qmail 28247 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 00:16:28 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 00:16:28 -0000 Received: from web41404.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.70]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:16:22 -0600 Message-ID: <20030324001621.23158.qmail@web41404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.160.129.26] by web41404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:16:21 PST Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: Jandek ebay items and LP scarcity To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <1d8.5cc2583.2baf57f5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2003 00:16:22.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[99769BE0:01C2F19A] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk oooh well in that case yes. I think obsessing over the digital remastering is a waste of time and it such a minor detail that it renders intself insignificant. It's about the music, first and foremost. And as for the photo similarities, I think whoever posted that thought it was just cool. And I have to agree. In fact, listening to some old robert johnson recordings,I don't think it's too farfetched to see Jandek as a post modern version of that legendary bluesman. For the most part, both play alone, with an acoustic guitar, bad recording quality, singin' the blues in a very personal, open way. Of course, RJ was a far better guitarist than Jandek, and Jandek cannot claim to have influenced his art form in any way that Johnson did, but the mystery behind both is surpirsingly similar. Who can forget the legend of Robert Johnson being possesed by the devil? Not unlike the Jandek legends, about the madman, or the retarted son, ect. Maybe they're just soul brothers on some distant star. "Robert, down at the halfway house" D.M. --- OLLIEREGAN@aol.com wrote: > sorry if it made no sense my 2 questions again were: > > (a) & i am not trying to insult anyone, but have you > ever considered your > obsession with jandek could be a problem (not > healthy)? (i.e talking about > digitally remastered cd's & similarities between a > picture of robert johnson & > jandek is kind of absurd when you think about it) > > (b) what are your favorite 20 jandek songs? > > thanks so much > ===== Take nothing and no one seriously. Daniel S. Marks- Author, musician, admirer of pretty things. http://www.geocities.com/alfredggnome http://www.casualfridaysband.com http://www.mp3.com/CasualFridays __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 30616 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 06:46:36 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 06:46:36 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2O6kPU09295 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 00:46:25 -0600 Received: (qmail 29623 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 03:16:36 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 03:16:36 -0000 Received: from web14901.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.225.53]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:16:28 -0600 Message-ID: <20030324031628.33315.qmail@web14901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.195.74.166] by web14901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:16:28 PST Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:16:28 -0800 (PST) From: james Subject: Re: failure delivery To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2003 03:16:28.0699 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2A776B0:01C2F1B3] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I think you're taking this mailing list a little too personally. i'd elaborate, but you'd probably get insulted. --- Courtney Jacobs wrote: > From: "Courtney Jacobs" > To: OLLIEREGAN@aol.com, alfredggnome@yahoo.com, > jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > Subject: Re: failure delivery > Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:53:45 -0600 > > ok newbie, this isn't brain surgery... > > "i am not trying to insult anyone" > -------- > here comes the but, which always indicates the > opposite: > --------- > "but have you ever considered your obsession with > jandek could be a problem > (not healthy)?" > -------- > i know that i for one find solace delving into some > myseterious, intriguing > artist, so that i can not only distract myself from > various american > propaganda, but also gain a healthier sense of > appreciation for all realms > of art. if it doesn't challenge me, im not always > necessarily interested. > ---------- > "(i.e talking about digitally remastered cd's & > similarities between a > picture of robert johnson & jandek is kind of absurd > when you think about > it)" > ----------- > so is supporting the capitalist regieme (spelled > wrong) of gooey, candy pop > music. why are you even subscribed to this if it > doesn't float your boat? > its communication. its comprehension. its therapy > from an absurdist > buisness (also probably spelled wrong) that music is > manufactured from. you > can think this is unhealthy (go right ahead)...but > what do you do for fun? > frankly, it doesn't matter to me. ive never been > much of a fanatic for > well, anything. i just like to absorb what > interests me. > ---------- > "what are your favorite 20 jandek songs?" > ---------- > you honestly then, after calling members of this > list unhealthy and absurd, > want to know what are faveorite songs are? who > cares what i like...make up > your own list. > > and as for daniel johnson, or any other artist that > you like and someone > else may not (for that matter): its not like i > expect any one of my friends > to listen to jandek and like it the same way. if > you are so concerned about > what others think about what bands you listen to, go > join the strokes > discussion list. > > jandek is like my own personal imaginary friend. if > i tell too many people > about him, ill probably end up in a nuthouse. but > then again, im a big fan > of 'drop dead fred', so i probably have no authority > in any of this. and > this email makes me sound like a commie. > > courtney > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 2956 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 16:47:33 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 16:47:33 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2OGlTJ13068 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:47:29 -0600 Received: (qmail 1017 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 13:44:45 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 13:44:45 -0000 Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.39]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:44:43 -0600 Received: from OLLIEREGAN@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id r.1e7.51e718f (4222); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:44:28 -0500 (EST) From: OLLIEREGAN@aol.com Message-ID: <1e7.51e718f.2bb065bc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:44:28 EST Subject: Re: failure delivery To: jamesbgraf@yahoo.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e7.51e718f.2bb065bc_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2003 13:44:43.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[865A44A0:01C2F20B] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --part1_1e7.51e718f.2bb065bc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wow everyone, again i was not trying to piss anybody off. it was just a question. i have a jandek obsession as well (i was so intrigued by him before i even heard the music) & everytime i introduce someone to him it takes at least 10-15 minutes because it is such an interesting story with lots of unanswered questions. after doing so people look at me like i am crazy or say i think you have a problem. i have every jandek lp except 2 so i obliviously in found of the man, but i also have 2000 other copies of vinyl to listen to, discuss & research. so i am sorry if i fail to sit around & wonder what will happen when he dies & such. i guess i should have just asked for everyones favorite songs. if you could still do that for me it would be greatly appreciated, thanks. ollie --part1_1e7.51e718f.2bb065bc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow everyone, again i was not trying to piss anybody off. it= was just a question. i have a jandek obsession as well (i was so intrigued=20= by him before i even heard the music) & everytime i introduce someone to= him it takes at least 10-15 minutes because it is such an interesting story= with lots of unanswered questions. after doing so people look at me like i=20= am crazy or say i think you have a problem. i have every jandek lp except 2=20= so i obliviously in found of the man, but i also have 2000 other copies of v= inyl to listen to, discuss & research. so i am sorry if i fail to sit ar= ound & wonder what will happen when he dies & such. i guess i should= have just asked for everyones favorite songs. if you could still do that fo= r me it would be greatly appreciated, thanks. ollie --part1_1e7.51e718f.2bb065bc_boundary-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3186 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 16:47:47 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 16:47:47 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2OGlhA13095 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:47:43 -0600 Received: (qmail 1489 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 14:13:19 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 14:13:19 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.245.125] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:13:17 -0600 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:13:16 -0800 Received: from 24.239.157.108 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:13:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.239.157.108] X-Originating-Email: [claptrap@hotmail.com] From: "dave m." To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: failure delivery Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:13:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2003 14:13:16.0935 (UTC) FILETIME=[83CB1170:01C2F20F] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk exactly. this was no post to be offended by. i laughed out loud at the original poster's question of our collected mental state. an ex-girlfriend used to refer to will oldham as 'your [my] boyfriend', i referred to him so often. -d From: james >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: failure delivery >Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:16:28 -0800 (PST) > >I think you're taking this mailing list a little too >personally. i'd elaborate, but you'd probably get >insulted. > > >--- Courtney Jacobs wrote: > > From: "Courtney Jacobs" > > To: OLLIEREGAN@aol.com, alfredggnome@yahoo.com, > > jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > > Subject: Re: failure delivery > > Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:53:45 -0600 > > > > ok newbie, this isn't brain surgery... > > > > "i am not trying to insult anyone" > > -------- > > here comes the but, which always indicates the > > opposite: > > --------- > > "but have you ever considered your obsession with > > jandek could be a problem > > (not healthy)?" > > -------- > > i know that i for one find solace delving into some > > myseterious, intriguing > > artist, so that i can not only distract myself from > > various american > > propaganda, but also gain a healthier sense of > > appreciation for all realms > > of art. if it doesn't challenge me, im not always > > necessarily interested. > > ---------- > > "(i.e talking about digitally remastered cd's & > > similarities between a > > picture of robert johnson & jandek is kind of absurd > > when you think about > > it)" > > ----------- > > so is supporting the capitalist regieme (spelled > > wrong) of gooey, candy pop > > music. why are you even subscribed to this if it > > doesn't float your boat? > > its communication. its comprehension. its therapy > > from an absurdist > > buisness (also probably spelled wrong) that music is > > manufactured from. you > > can think this is unhealthy (go right ahead)...but > > what do you do for fun? > > frankly, it doesn't matter to me. ive never been > > much of a fanatic for > > well, anything. i just like to absorb what > > interests me. > > ---------- > > "what are your favorite 20 jandek songs?" > > ---------- > > you honestly then, after calling members of this > > list unhealthy and absurd, > > want to know what are faveorite songs are? who > > cares what i like...make up > > your own list. > > > > and as for daniel johnson, or any other artist that > > you like and someone > > else may not (for that matter): its not like i > > expect any one of my friends > > to listen to jandek and like it the same way. if > > you are so concerned about > > what others think about what bands you listen to, go > > join the strokes > > discussion list. > > > > jandek is like my own personal imaginary friend. if > > i tell too many people > > about him, ill probably end up in a nuthouse. but > > then again, im a big fan > > of 'drop dead fred', so i probably have no authority > > in any of this. and > > this email makes me sound like a commie. > > > > courtney > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3417 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 16:48:09 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 16:48:09 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2OGm5q13121 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:48:05 -0600 Received: (qmail 1727 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 14:52:47 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 14:52:47 -0000 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.161]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:52:45 -0600 Received: from OLLIEREGAN@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id l.12d.25cd7d3b (4312) for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:52:34 -0500 (EST) From: OLLIEREGAN@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.25cd7d3b.2bb075b1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:52:33 EST Subject: jandek stuff To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12d.25cd7d3b.2bb075b1_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2003 14:52:45.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[07CFA940:01C2F215] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --part1_12d.25cd7d3b.2bb075b1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how many people on this list are fans of will oldham as well? i can surely see similarities between jandek & will. palce brothers "days in the wake" cover photo is for sure a tribute or rip off to jandek, but i am sure that has already been discussed. to clarify the e-mail about irwin chusid's friend using the stack of "ready for the house" to hold up his coffee table or whatever. i rememeber it as when he recived copies of "house" one of the guys who worked for the radio station had a vw beetle & the drivers seat had a big hole it it & his ass kept falling through. so he used 2 sealed copies to prevent this. concerning everybody favorite songs. i thought if everybody on list contributed i could print a ballot results in the same manner they did when d. boon of the minutemen died, thanks again & have a pleasant day. ollie --part1_12d.25cd7d3b.2bb075b1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable how many people on this list are fans of will oldham as well= ? i can surely see similarities between jandek & will. palce brothers "d= ays in the wake" cover photo is for sure a tribute or rip off to jandek, but= i am sure that has already been discussed. to clarify the e-mail about irwi= n chusid's friend using the stack of "ready for the house" to hold up his co= ffee table or whatever. i rememeber it as when he recived copies of "house"=20= one of the guys who worked for the radio station had a vw beetle & the d= rivers seat had a big hole it it & his ass kept falling through. so he u= sed 2 sealed copies to prevent this. concerning everybody favorite songs. i=20= thought if everybody on list contributed i could print a ballot results in t= he same manner they did when d. boon of the minutemen died, thanks again &am= p; have a pleasant day. ollie --part1_12d.25cd7d3b.2bb075b1_boundary-- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3639 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 16:48:29 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 16:48:29 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2OGmPP13151 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:48:25 -0600 Received: (qmail 2268 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 16:10:18 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 16:10:18 -0000 Received: from web41412.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.78]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:10:15 -0600 Message-ID: <20030324161014.30351.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.162.241.54] by web41412.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:10:14 PST Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:10:14 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Re: failure delivery To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu In-Reply-To: <20030324031628.33315.qmail@web14901.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2003 16:10:15.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB2D4400:01C2F21F] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I agree. I had an excellent flame with which to respond to that silliness, but fate gave me an illegal opperation right as i hit the send button. To summarise the message: Chill out, Courtney. And yes, you did sound like a commie. D.M. --- james wrote: > I think you're taking this mailing list a little too > personally. i'd elaborate, but you'd probably get > insulted. > > > --- Courtney Jacobs wrote: > > From: "Courtney Jacobs" > > To: OLLIEREGAN@aol.com, alfredggnome@yahoo.com, > > jandek@cs.northwestern.edu > > Subject: Re: failure delivery > > Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:53:45 -0600 > > > > ok newbie, this isn't brain surgery... > > > > "i am not trying to insult anyone" > > -------- > > here comes the but, which always indicates the > > opposite: > > --------- > > "but have you ever considered your obsession with > > jandek could be a problem > > (not healthy)?" > > -------- > > i know that i for one find solace delving into > some > > myseterious, intriguing > > artist, so that i can not only distract myself > from > > various american > > propaganda, but also gain a healthier sense of > > appreciation for all realms > > of art. if it doesn't challenge me, im not always > > necessarily interested. > > ---------- > > "(i.e talking about digitally remastered cd's & > > similarities between a > > picture of robert johnson & jandek is kind of > absurd > > when you think about > > it)" > > ----------- > > so is supporting the capitalist regieme (spelled > > wrong) of gooey, candy pop > > music. why are you even subscribed to this if it > > doesn't float your boat? > > its communication. its comprehension. its > therapy > > from an absurdist > > buisness (also probably spelled wrong) that music > is > > manufactured from. you > > can think this is unhealthy (go right ahead)...but > > what do you do for fun? > > frankly, it doesn't matter to me. ive never been > > much of a fanatic for > > well, anything. i just like to absorb what > > interests me. > > ---------- > > "what are your favorite 20 jandek songs?" > > ---------- > > you honestly then, after calling members of this > > list unhealthy and absurd, > > want to know what are faveorite songs are? who > > cares what i like...make up > > your own list. > > > > and as for daniel johnson, or any other artist > that > > you like and someone > > else may not (for that matter): its not like i > > expect any one of my friends > > to listen to jandek and like it the same way. if > > you are so concerned about > > what others think about what bands you listen to, > go > > join the strokes > > discussion list. > > > > jandek is like my own personal imaginary friend. > if > > i tell too many people > > about him, ill probably end up in a nuthouse. but > > then again, im a big fan > > of 'drop dead fred', so i probably have no > authority > > in any of this. and > > this email makes me sound like a commie. > > > > courtney > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 > months > > FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, > live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com ===== Take nothing and no one seriously. Daniel S. Marks- Author, musician, admirer of pretty things. http://www.geocities.com/alfredggnome http://www.casualfridaysband.com http://www.mp3.com/CasualFridays __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3882 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 16:48:53 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 16:48:53 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2OGmnh13177 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:48:49 -0600 Received: (qmail 2621 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 16:23:59 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 16:23:59 -0000 Received: from web41411.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.77]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:23:56 -0600 Message-ID: <20030324162356.80078.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.163.102.132] by web41411.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:23:56 PST Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:23:56 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Marks Subject: Something to Ponder To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2003 16:23:57.0013 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4D80850:01C2F221] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I've been thinking about this for a while, and I thought I'd post it. Say the documentary is wildly successful, and suddenly Jandek becomes a household name in the indie world, finally getting the time he's always deserved. Furthermore, the "discovery" of his music and legend starts a cultural phenomenon similar perhaps to the grunge movement. "Hip" teenagers and college students accross the country are talking about Jandek like they used to talk about Captain Beefheart or Syd Barrett. "Blue Corpse", after being reissued on a major label, hits the top 200, Eyewitness news channels do documentary pieces about him right in between corporate exposes and the latest TV personality's gall bladder surgury report. He's recognised, long after his prime, as one of the most important artists of the 20th century, and his music, now exposed to the masses, becomes highly influencial on a new wave of "deconsturctionist" bands who take his ideas and make them commercially acceptable on a mass level. Corwood becomes a youth craze. The mailing list spikes to 50,000 subscribers. The question I pose to the list is, how would this affect you and me, his fans before the explosion. Would we become hardcore Jandek elitists, or would we just go on being fans. Would we feel any resentment? Would the fun be gone now that the kid you're babysitting puts on "War Dance" before you can? Granted, it's never going to happen, but it's interesting to think about. D.M. ===== Take nothing and no one seriously. Daniel S. Marks- Author, musician, admirer of pretty things. http://www.geocities.com/alfredggnome http://www.casualfridaysband.com http://www.mp3.com/CasualFridays __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5086 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 17:24:58 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 17:24:58 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2OHOsq13929 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:24:54 -0600 Received: (qmail 5053 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 17:23:53 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 17:23:53 -0000 Received: from util.inch.com ([216.223.192.21]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:22:57 -0600 Received: from shell.inch.com (inch.com [216.223.192.20]) by util.inch.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/UTIL-INCH-3.0.10) with ESMTP id h2OHMuP8084739 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:22:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rlim@inch.com) Received: from shell.inch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shell.inch.com (8.12.7/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2OHMuwY049622 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:22:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rlim@inch.com) Received: from localhost (rlim@localhost) by shell.inch.com (8.12.8/8.12.7/Submit) with ESMTP id h2OHMuFS049619 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:22:56 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: shell.inch.com: rlim owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:22:56 -0500 (EST) From: "R. Lim" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Jandek LP scarcity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030324121411.E47949@shell.inch.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2003 17:22:57.0335 (UTC) FILETIME=[030A4C70:01C2F22A] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Jandek Documentary wrote: > This is very interesting... I too have noticed that "Twelfth Apostle" is > quite a bit more rare in record stores, and always commands a higher > price. It's very rare in Jandek fans' collections, as well. That's weird- for years it was the only Jandek LP that you could find in stores, long after everything else became unavailable. If it's true, the only explanation I could think of is that it was only pressed once b/c a decision had been made to abandon the format. Or, less likely, he ended up throwing away his entire inventory for financial/tax reasons (the same reason why the very later FMP/SAJ LPs are scarcer than the earlier ones). Did someone really obtain the entire LP discog brand new at the time? My own recollection is that it was only the last eight or so that were in print (say, Blue Corpse on). For instance, the catalog portion of the last FE (cover date 1993) only has You Walk Alone on. Perhaps it was different dealing with Corwood directly, I dunno. -rob -- This Weds 3/26 @ 2AM Eastern: Tetuzi Akiyama and Toshimaru Nakamura An exclusive live presentation of The Janitor From Mars and WFMU Internet broadcast available at http://www.wfmu.org Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5394 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 17:30:58 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 17:30:58 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2OHUsA14092 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:30:54 -0600 Received: (qmail 5377 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 17:30:12 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 17:30:12 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.15.93] RDNS failed) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:30:09 -0600 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:30:08 -0800 Received: from 209.246.65.7 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:30:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.246.65.7] X-Originating-Email: [ronald104@hotmail.com] From: "Ronald Andryshak" To: OLLIEREGAN@aol.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: jandek stuff Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:30:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2003 17:30:08.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[04471CC0:01C2F22B] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk

I'm a longtime Will Oldham/Jandek fan. In reference to similarities between the two artists, I think it begins and ends with the Days in the Wake cover.

Ron

>From: OLLIEREGAN@aol.com
>To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu
>Subject: jandek stuff
>Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:52:33 EST
>
>how many people on this list are fans of will oldham as well? i can surely
>see similarities between jandek & will. palce brothers "days in the wake"
>cover photo is for sure a tribute or rip off to jandek, but i am sure that
>has already been discussed. to clarify the e-mail about irwin chusid's friend
>using the stack of "ready for the house" to hold up his coffee table or
>whatever. i rememeber it as when he recived copies of "house" one of the guys
>who worked for the radio station had a vw beetle & the drivers seat had a big
>hole it it & his ass kept falling through. so he used 2 sealed copies to
>prevent this. concerning everybody favorite songs. i thought if everybody on
>list contributed i could print a ballot results in the same manner they did
>when d. boon of the minutemen died, thanks again & have a pleasant day. ollie

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Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6136 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 18:16:28 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 18:16:28 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2OIGN314851 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:16:23 -0600 Received: (qmail 6081 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 18:09:56 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 18:09:56 -0000 Received: from waste.org ([209.173.204.2]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:09:53 -0600 Received: from waste.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by waste.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h2OI9qMu006924; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:09:52 -0600 Received: from localhost (crash@localhost) by waste.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h2OI9qGQ006920; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:09:52 -0600 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:09:52 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Madson To: Daniel Marks cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Something to Ponder In-Reply-To: <20030324162356.80078.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20030324162356.80078.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2003 18:09:53.0285 (UTC) FILETIME=[917A2B50:01C2F230] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I don't think this would be a big deal. I'd just rest content that I'd knew about the guy when most people hearing the name would think the name was the brand of a lawnmower from the eastern bloc. At the same time, I also wondered what would occur once he dies. Ultimately, it's not like Corwood would be an ongoing concern at that juncture unless, unlikely though it seems, he's prepared for it and has a way of keeping it going. On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Daniel Marks wrote: > I've been thinking about this for a while, and I > thought I'd post it. > > Say the documentary is wildly successful, and suddenly > Jandek becomes a household name in the indie world, > finally getting the time he's always deserved. > Furthermore, the "discovery" of his music and legend > starts a cultural phenomenon similar perhaps to the > grunge movement. "Hip" teenagers and college students > accross the country are talking about Jandek like they > used to talk about Captain Beefheart or Syd Barrett. > "Blue Corpse", after being reissued on a major label, > hits the top 200, Eyewitness news channels do > documentary pieces about him right in between > corporate exposes and the latest TV personality's gall > bladder surgury report. He's recognised, long after > his prime, as one of the most important artists of the > 20th century, and his music, now exposed to the > masses, becomes highly influencial on a new wave of > "deconsturctionist" bands who take his ideas and make > them commercially acceptable on a mass level. Corwood > becomes a youth craze. The mailing list spikes to > 50,000 subscribers. > > The question I pose to the list is, how would this > affect you and me, his fans before the explosion. > Would we become hardcore Jandek elitists, or would we > just go on being fans. Would we feel any resentment? > Would the fun be gone now that the kid you're > babysitting puts on "War Dance" before you can? > Granted, it's never going to happen, but it's > interesting to think about. > > D.M. > > ===== > Take nothing and no one seriously. > > Daniel S. Marks- Author, musician, admirer of pretty things. > > http://www.geocities.com/alfredggnome > http://www.casualfridaysband.com > http://www.mp3.com/CasualFridays > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > -- Delivered-To: jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6574 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 18:26:04 -0000 Received: from dylan.cs.nwu.edu (HELO dylan.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.5) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 18:26:04 -0000 Received: (from tisue@localhost) by dylan.cs.northwestern.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2OIQ0m15027 for jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:26:00 -0600 Received: (qmail 6549 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 18:25:05 -0000 Received: from mail1.cs.nwu.edu (HELO mail1.cs.northwestern.edu) (129.105.100.4) by zappa.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 18:25:05 -0000 Received: from htcexch11286.htc.edu ([204.1.20.3]) by mail1.cs.northwestern.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:25:02 -0600 Received: by htcexch11286.htc.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:26:29 -0600 Message-ID: <4DD8B2442180FF469DA599CB243D6CD40A75A6@htce_mail> From: "Ronsen, Josh P." To: "'jandek@cs.northwestern.edu'" Subject: RE: Something to Ponder Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:24:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2F232.AA0C13C0" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2003 18:25:02.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF691020:01C2F232] Sender: owner-jandek@zappa.cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2F232.AA0C13C0 Content-Type: text/plain I think it depends if he starts appearing in Sprite commercials and sitting in with the Dave Matthews Band on Saturday Night Live. Other things that would bother me: DJ Spooky remix album, Warner Brothers "remastering" the back catalog with session musicians smoothing out the "rough edges" (Steve Vai appears on 1 track), Broadway musical based on his life, Jim O'Rourke produces his next record with lush organ and string arrangements, a Jandek line of fashion accessories (chain wallets, lighters, shoe laces, etc). It would also bother me to get a clipping that my mom would send from the New York Times about him. "This sounds like your kind of music? Dress warmly, Mom" However it would be nice to see him perform live somewhere in Texas. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Marks [mailto:alfredggnome@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:24 AM To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Something to Ponder I've been thinking about this for a while, and I thought I'd post it. Say the documentary is wildly successful, and suddenly Jandek becomes a household name in the indie world, finally getting the time he's always deserved. Furthermore, the "discovery" of his music and legend starts a cultural phenomenon similar perhaps to the grunge movement. "Hip" teenagers and college students accross the country are talking about Jandek like they used to talk about Captain Beefheart or Syd Barrett. "Blue Corpse", after being reissued on a major label, hits the top 200, Eyewitness news channels do documentary pieces about him right in between corporate exposes and the latest TV personality's gall bladder surgury report. He's recognised, long after his prime, as one of the most important artists of the 20th century, and his music, now exposed to the masses, becomes highly influencial on a new wave of "deconsturctionist" bands who take his ideas and make them commercially acceptable on a mass level. Corwood becomes a youth craze. The mailing list spikes to 50,000 subscribers. The question I pose to the list is, how would this affect you and me, his fans before the explosion. Would we become hardcore Jandek elitists, or would we just go on being fans. Would we feel any resentment? Would the fun be gone now that the kid you're babysitting puts on "War Dance" before you can? Granted, it's never going to happen, but it's interesting to think about. D.M. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2F232.AA0C13C0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Something to Ponder

I think it depends if he starts appearing in Sprite = commercials and sitting in with the Dave Matthews Band on Saturday = Night Live. Other things that would bother me: DJ Spooky remix album, = Warner Brothers "remastering" the back catalog with session = musicians smoothing out the "rough edges" (Steve Vai appears = on 1 track), Broadway musical based on his life, Jim O'Rourke produces = his next record with lush organ and string arrangements, a Jandek line = of fashion accessories (chain wallets, lighters, shoe laces, etc). It = would also bother me to get a clipping that my mom would send from the = New York Times about him. "This sounds like your kind of music? = Dress warmly, Mom"

However it would be nice to see him perform live = somewhere in Texas.

-Josh Ronsen
in Austin, Texas

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Marks [mailto:alfredggnome@yahoo.com= ]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:24 AM
To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu
Subject: Something to Ponder

I've been thinking about this for a while, and = I
thought I'd post it.

Say the documentary is wildly successful, and = suddenly
Jandek becomes a household name in the indie = world,
finally getting the time he's always = deserved.
Furthermore, the "discovery" of his music = and legend
starts a cultural phenomenon similar perhaps to = the
grunge movement. "Hip" teenagers and = college students
accross the country are talking about Jandek like = they
used to talk about Captain Beefheart or Syd = Barrett.
"Blue Corpse", after being reissued on a = major label,
hits the top 200, Eyewitness news channels do
documentary pieces about him right in between
corporate exposes and the latest TV personality's = gall
bladder surgury report. He's recognised, long = after
his prime, as one of the most important artists of = the
20th century, and his music, now exposed to = the
masses, becomes highly influencial on a new wave = of
"deconsturctionist" bands who take his = ideas and make
them commercially acceptable on a mass level. = Corwood
becomes a youth craze. The mailing list spikes = to
50,000 subscribers.

The question I pose to the list is, how would = this
affect you and me, his fans before the = explosion.
Would we become hardcore Jandek elitists, or would = we
just go on being fans. Would we feel any = resentment?
Would the fun be gone now that the kid you're
babysitting puts on "War Dance" before you = can?
Granted, it's never going to happen, but it's
interesting to think about.

D.M.



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