Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5737 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2000 16:44:21 -0000 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.85) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Oct 2000 16:44:21 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (pool0827.cvx19-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.247.62]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05644 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39D76A25.6670DD34@earthlink.com> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 09:45:30 -0700 From: alecw Reply-To: errora@earthlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.nwu.edu Subject: bill gates, sterling smith, jandek, etc. Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk 'sterling smith' and 'jandek' are probably names the singer/musician/lyric writer heard on all those albums found and liked during his travels. he saw those names and wrote them down, enjoying their odd-ball, behind-the-scenes psuedonym sound.  the name 'bill gates'--if you can detach the name from the famous man--also has this sound.

to me, the names jandek and sterling smith sound like operatives in an ian flemming or john le carre spy novel.

it's interesting to note that 'bill gates' is the name of a magician in the book 'moonchild' written by aleister crowley (a pal of flemming) long before the microsoft fountainhead was born.

goooodenpointenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenen.

--alec Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6290 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2000 16:52:05 -0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.37) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 1 Oct 2000 16:52:05 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id 5.54.a0bbb90 (17081); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:51:30 -0400 (EDT) From: BlackBook78@aol.com Message-ID: <54.a0bbb90.2708c591@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:51:29 EDT Subject: Re: bill gates, sterling smith, jandek, etc. To: errora@earthlink.com, jandek@cs.nwu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 113 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/01/2000 9:44:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, errora@earthlink.com writes: << sterling smith' and 'jandek' are probably names the singer/musician/lyric writer heard on all those albums found and liked during his travels. he saw those names and wrote them down, enjoying their odd-ball, behind-the-scenes psuedonym sound. the name 'bill gates'--if you can detach the name from the famous man--also has this sound. to me, the names jandek and sterling smith sound like operatives in an ian flemming or john le carre spy novel. it's interesting to note that 'bill gates' is the name of a magician in the book 'moonchild' written by aleister crowley (a pal of flemming) long before the microsoft fountainhead was born. goooodenpointenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenen. --alec >> Another spy theory? I suppose it would be possible for "Sterling Smith" and "Jandek" to be pseudonyms or surnames, which is why there are no listings or resources that connect the names....Did anyone recall in the Vine article that she suggested there were people who thought the name "Corwood Industries" incorporated the musicians real name? There is also another possibility (besides the name thing) that all of these recordings were done in the late 60's/70's and shelved until a relative unearthed them, and since he didn't want to be bothered, because they werent his, kept everything behind a closed door. Either way, I still love the music... mike Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 497 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 04:34:12 -0000 Received: from bucky-rwcmex.excite.com (HELO bucky.excite.com) (198.3.99.218) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 04:34:12 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001002043345.RSNC12294.bucky.excite.com@doby.excite.com> for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 21:33:45 -0700 Message-ID: <10393933.970461225357.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 21:33:45 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: religious themes and tribute Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.105.157.146 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hello to you- I'm new to this list. Just had some comments. I'm listening to "Glad To get Away" while reading the lyrics along with it (thank you Seth Tissue for your transcribing). Anyway I noticed from reading the list archives that some are uncomfortable with the Jandek songs with religious themes- well I have to say I feel the opposite way. I think his religious songs are among his most mysterious and beautiful (of what I've heard- I'm a relatively new Jandek fan and have only heard half of the albums). "Moon Dance" on "Glad to Get away" is particularly intense and intriguing. It seems to be about some kind of violent spiritual rebirth, presuming that one takes the lyrics literally, which I'm inclined to do. I got the Jandek tribute. The idea's a nice one but I think most of it is awful, especially the male vocalists who try to mimic Jandek's pronounciation. The high points are Peter Weiss and Brian Charles' version of "Quinn Boys II" (great psych guitar); a beautiful version of "Nancy Sings" by Ivory Elephant; and very original version of "Your Condition" by Amy Denio (who I recently heard on a tour with Francisco Lopez.) Thurston Moore is a prertentious shithead gradually, Ron K _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 25616 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 15:17:40 -0000 Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r17.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.71) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 15:17:40 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id o.21.1a09bae (4222); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:16:57 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: <21.1a09bae.270a00e8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:16:56 EDT Subject: Re: religious themes and tribute To: eckankore@excite.com CC: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/2/00 12:34:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eckankore@excite.com writes: > Thurston Moore is a pretentious shithead With that, I say welcome to the list! Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 26408 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 15:32:54 -0000 Received: from the-jci.org (HELO jcint.the-jci.org) (141.214.75.157) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 15:32:54 -0000 Received: by the-jci.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:20:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Hickam, Robert" To: "'NCR13@aol.com'" , eckankore@excite.com Cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:20:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I'm new to the list and a fairly recent Jandek convert. However, given the fact that cds from Corwood are so inexpensive(20 for $80! yippee!) in bulk, I'm tempted to have a "Jandek Christmas" this year and shower friends and relations alike with selections from this Texas enigma's oeuvre. Has anyone had a Jandek-themed holiday before? -----Original Message----- From: NCR13@aol.com [mailto:NCR13@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:17 AM To: eckankore@excite.com Cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: religious themes and tribute In a message dated 10/2/00 12:34:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eckankore@excite.com writes: > Thurston Moore is a pretentious shithead With that, I say welcome to the list! Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 27414 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 15:49:20 -0000 Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 15:49:20 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (adsl-141-151-144-94.bellatlantic.net [141.151.144.94]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19767 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:48:26 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Maurice Rickard Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk At 11:20 AM -0400 10/2/00, Hickam, Robert wrote: >Has anyone >had a Jandek-themed holiday before? Not exactly, but when a friend and I were getting into J in the late 80s, my friend had been toying with the idea of doing his own "Christmas Special" video--y'know, where different people "drop in" in a really premeditated way, sing a few songs, etc. My friend came up with the idea that at one point there'd be a knock at the door, and... "Look, honey, it's Jandek!" We found this endlessly funny. "Harmonica" on _Blue Corpse_ does sound like "Silent Night" in places, so I think that would be a good Jandek Christmas song.... Sleep in heavenly peace, Maurice -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 28006 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 15:55:25 -0000 Received: from the-jci.org (HELO jcint.the-jci.org) (141.214.75.157) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 15:55:25 -0000 Received: by the-jci.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:43:28 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Hickam, Robert" To: 'Maurice Rickard' , jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:43:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I like the idea of Jandek dropping in on a Christmas special video...though, from what I've heard, I'm not sure I'd really want him (or them) dropping in on me... -----Original Message----- From: Maurice Rickard [mailto:maurice@mac.com] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:48 AM To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute At 11:20 AM -0400 10/2/00, Hickam, Robert wrote: >Has anyone >had a Jandek-themed holiday before? Not exactly, but when a friend and I were getting into J in the late 80s, my friend had been toying with the idea of doing his own "Christmas Special" video--y'know, where different people "drop in" in a really premeditated way, sing a few songs, etc. My friend came up with the idea that at one point there'd be a knock at the door, and... "Look, honey, it's Jandek!" We found this endlessly funny. "Harmonica" on _Blue Corpse_ does sound like "Silent Night" in places, so I think that would be a good Jandek Christmas song.... Sleep in heavenly peace, Maurice -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 29465 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 16:22:10 -0000 Received: from valis.olywa.net (216.173.192.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 16:22:10 -0000 Received: from Internet ([208.1.204.5]) by valis.olywa.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-56662U5000L500S0V35) with SMTP id net; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:53:46 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Mike Haeg" To: "'Maurice Rickard'" , Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:53:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c02c89$06b76d80$60dda8c0@Internet.olywa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk can I be removed from the list please -----Original Message----- From: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu [mailto:owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Maurice Rickard Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:48 AM To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute At 11:20 AM -0400 10/2/00, Hickam, Robert wrote: >Has anyone >had a Jandek-themed holiday before? Not exactly, but when a friend and I were getting into J in the late 80s, my friend had been toying with the idea of doing his own "Christmas Special" video--y'know, where different people "drop in" in a really premeditated way, sing a few songs, etc. My friend came up with the idea that at one point there'd be a knock at the door, and... "Look, honey, it's Jandek!" We found this endlessly funny. "Harmonica" on _Blue Corpse_ does sound like "Silent Night" in places, so I think that would be a good Jandek Christmas song.... Sleep in heavenly peace, Maurice -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 4504 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 18:19:08 -0000 Received: from f308.law10.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.14.183) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 18:19:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:18:42 -0700 Received: from 198.103.138.130 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:18:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.103.138.130] From: "Dudley Morris" To: mike@awsp.org, maurice@mac.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:18:42 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2000 18:18:42.0298 (UTC) FILETIME=[31C6E5A0:01C02C9D] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk No >From: "Mike Haeg" >Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:53:55 -0700 > >can I be removed from the list please > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5208 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 18:27:27 -0000 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (128.135.12.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 18:27:27 -0000 Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e92IRRO02194 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:27:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (spleimer@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e92IRQj07063 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:27:26 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: spleimer owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:27:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Sam Leimer X-Sender: spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is not the sort of witty rejoinder I expected from the comical, drunken, homunculus of "Arthur," "Arthur 2: On the Rocks" and "Milo and Otis" fame. Once, I gave my good friend a couple of water damaged cds (that Jandek had sent me) as a birthday present. He was really happy and thought that Jandek (or I) was a very funny practical joker as the packaging had to be destroyed to get the cd to play. Apparently, the insert had become stuck to the surface of the cd and he had to rip it off in order to be able to play the cd. He was like "what did you do to those cds?" I was like, "nothing, Jandek did that," he said, "does he do that on purpose, to all his cds? I said "yes." suffer Mike Haeg! SAM ps. Dudley, is Liza a screamer? On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Dudley Morris wrote: > No > > > >From: "Mike Haeg" > >Subject: RE: religious themes and tribute > >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:53:55 -0700 > > > >can I be removed from the list please > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9492 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 19:22:58 -0000 Received: from f234.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.234) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 19:22:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:22:29 -0700 Received: from 209.91.128.149 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:22:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.149] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: 20 jandek Cd's - You and Me Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:22:29 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2000 19:22:29.0643 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B0D65B0:01C02CA6] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk

My buddy just got his 20 for 80 in the mail today. Really 11 plus 9 duplicates. We were both kinda irked that 20 different cd's didn't come, but we're both idiots for not realizing that only 11 are available on cd.

Are the rest still available on record?

Anyway, he wrote a letter along with the order and the response was this,

"Not a waste of time

We greatly appreciate your thoughts

Concur with the philosophy

And agree with the conclusions

Thanks

Corwood"

 

So there you have it.

M.

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Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31559 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 01:03:50 -0000 Received: from bucky-rwcmex.excite.com (HELO bucky.excite.com) (198.3.99.218) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 01:03:50 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001003010323.ZHHM12294.bucky.excite.com@doby.excite.com> for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:03:23 -0700 Message-ID: <5201285.970535003914.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:03:23 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Another comment on the tribute Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.105.157.6 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I was giving the Jandek "tribute" another listen- or should I say another chance- and I decided that I should revise my previous comment. I originally said it was "awful", but I decided that this is not strong enough. What it really is is a near-worthless piece of shit that actually does Jandek a disservice. Look, dammit, Jandek is not a novelty act. He is a great songwriter whose gifts surpass by a billion-fold the vast majority of the legions of supposedly more "talented" and "skilled: musicians and songwriters out there. But granted, not all of Jandek's songs are great (considering how prolific he is that's no surprise.) The tribute SHOULD have reflected a sampling of his greatest songs: in that category I would put "Can I See You Clock", "What Did I Hear", "The Real You", "Take My Will", "For You and I", "Falling Down Deep", "Moon Dance" etc etc etc. These songs are almost transcendentally eerie and beautiful. Why the hell did no one want to cover any of these songs? Instead we get Thurston Moron doing "Painted My Teeth"! And never mind the goons who do that "Have you ever heard Jandek" atrocity (have you every heard of being so devoid of imagination that you should shut the fuck up?) The ONLY song on the album that *really* does justice to Jandek is "Nancy Sings" by Ivory Elephant. Here's the "constructive" part of my criticism, Eric: let this piece of rot "tribute" go out of print and have Ivory Elephant do an entire album of Jandek covers, much like Kathy McCarthy did for Daniel Johnston on "Dead Dog's Eyeball".. Then you might have something you could be proud of.... Ron k It's the zine writer in me... _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 31717 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 01:04:08 -0000 Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (209.89.75.17) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 01:04:08 -0000 Received: from ip198.ottawa11.dialup.canada.psi.net ([154.5.32.198]) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 13gGVg-00071g-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:04:45 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:03:00 -0400 Subject: Re: 20 jandek Cd's - You and Me From: "Sam M." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3053365380_686300_MIME_Part" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3053365380_686300_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ah, but what kind of comment was this in response to, or was it appropos of nothing? From: "Darin Mitchell" Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:22:29 GMT To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: 20 jandek Cd's - You and Me My buddy just got his 20 for 80 in the mail today. Really 11 plus 9 duplicates. We were both kinda irked that 20 different cd's didn't come, but we're both idiots for not realizing that only 11 are available on cd. Are the rest still available on record? Anyway, he wrote a letter along with the order and the response was this, "Not a waste of time We greatly appreciate your thoughts Concur with the philosophy And agree with the conclusions Thanks Corwood" So there you have it. M. --MS_Mac_OE_3053365380_686300_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: 20 jandek Cd's - You and Me Ah, but what kind of comment was this in response to, or was it appropos of= nothing?

From: "Darin Mitchell" <susseddm@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:22:29 GMT
To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu
Subject: 20 jandek Cd's - You and Me


My buddy just got his 20 for 80 in the mail today. Really 11 pl= us 9 duplicates. We were both kinda irked that 20 different cd's didn't come= , but we're both idiots for not realizing that only 11 are available on cd. =
Are the rest still available on record?

Anyway, he wrote a letter along with the order and the response was this, <= BR>
"Not a waste of time

We greatly appreciate your thoughts

Concur with the philosophy

And agree with the conclusions

Thanks

Corwood"


So there you have it.

M.
--MS_Mac_OE_3053365380_686300_MIME_Part-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1220 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 01:32:03 -0000 Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (HELO pimout4-int.prodigy.net) (207.115.63.103) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 01:32:03 -0000 Received: from 1hj73 (nas-216-206.nyc-t.navipath.net [64.20.216.206]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e931VtZ82098; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:31:55 -0400 From: "b&p" To: , Subject: RE: Another comment on the tribute Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:33:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5201285.970535003914.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I like the Quinn Boys II and the Amy Serio (?)(last track--don't have CD iin front of me)interpretations because they really re-imagined and re-conceived the spirit and feeling of the original artist. I was in progressive radio for many years, and one watchword of the tradition was "Don't cover a song unless you're going to do something completely different that will stand on its own, or you're going to reproduce the original better." On the tribute CD, those tracks meet the criteria. I think the rest took the concept that Jandek could be considered wierd, and then just got wierder. To me, among the best of these is "More Oar," the Skip Spence tribute--but I'm sure Summersteps didn't have the budget. Nonetheless, there are lots of albums/CD's I own for fewer than two good tracks........ Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu [mailto:owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu]On Behalf Of eckankore@excite.com Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 9:03 PM To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Another comment on the tribute I was giving the Jandek "tribute" another listen- or should I say another chance- and I decided that I should revise my previous comment. I originally said it was "awful", but I decided that this is not strong enough. What it really is is a near-worthless piece of shit that actually does Jandek a disservice. Look, dammit, Jandek is not a novelty act. He is a great songwriter whose gifts surpass by a billion-fold the vast majority of the legions of supposedly more "talented" and "skilled: musicians and songwriters out there. But granted, not all of Jandek's songs are great (considering how prolific he is that's no surprise.) The tribute SHOULD have reflected a sampling of his greatest songs: in that category I would put "Can I See You Clock", "What Did I Hear", "The Real You", "Take My Will", "For You and I", "Falling Down Deep", "Moon Dance" etc etc etc. These songs are almost transcendentally eerie and beautiful. Why the hell did no one want to cover any of these songs? Instead we get Thurston Moron doing "Painted My Teeth"! And never mind the goons who do that "Have you ever heard Jandek" atrocity (have you every heard of being so devoid of imagination that you should shut the fuck up?) The ONLY song on the album that *really* does justice to Jandek is "Nancy Sings" by Ivory Elephant. Here's the "constructive" part of my criticism, Eric: let this piece of rot "tribute" go out of print and have Ivory Elephant do an entire album of Jandek covers, much like Kathy McCarthy did for Daniel Johnston on "Dead Dog's Eyeball".. Then you might have something you could be proud of.... Ron k It's the zine writer in me... _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3423 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 02:02:04 -0000 Received: from f161.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.161) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 02:02:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:01:33 -0700 Received: from 209.91.129.224 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:01:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.129.224] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: smathesn@istar.ca, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: 20 jandek Cd's - A Reply Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:01:33 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 02:01:33.0551 (UTC) FILETIME=[DABBCFF0:01C02CDD] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >Ah, but what kind of comment was this in response to, or was it >appropos >of nothing? Well, he doesn't mind so below is nearly everything he wrote in the letter, take it as you will I guess: "Corwood Industries, Please find attached a money order for $88.00 US in return for a box of 20 Jandek compact discs. I am unsure if the boxes are prepackaged, but if they are not - and since I do not have any Jandek albums - I was hoping if at all possible that Jandek's first two albums (Ready for the House [0739] and Six and Six [0740]) and Jandek's last two albums (New Town [0765] and The Beginning [0766]) be included in the box. I have also heard things about You Walk Alone [0754] and Somebody in the Snow [0757]. However, as I have previously stated, I have never heard the sounds of Jandek before, so I really do not know what I would prefer either way. Anyway, if not, then I am sure whatever you decide to enclose will be fine. Since I am aware of Jandek's obscurity, I guess I will say a little bit about why a feller from Northern Ontario Canada would be interested in Jandek (or for that matter, to have even heard of him). Interestingly, the "idea" of Jandek appeals to me the most at this point in time. That someone could force the public to accept their art sans image, life style, personal goings-on, etc… is something that not only intrigues me, but something that I fully respect. I also understand how it is also conceivable for this formula to inadvertently (or possibly purposely done, although I sincerely do not think this is the case here) work against the artist (although of no real fault of the artist themselves). But then again, I am only referring to the whole idea of "Jandek" and not of the sounds and overall art of Jandek - since I am unfamiliar with the work of the individual or individuals in question. I must admit that at times, to keep myself preoccupied, I have fallen victim to the "myth" of Jandek: getting caught up in why an individual would release their work without letting more people know who was responsible for the work. Nevertheless, I have a sense that this work is nothing about image; rather it is simply an expression and that is all you get; and really, shouldn't that be all an audience gets anyway? Oscar Wilde said in The Decay of Lying that "If something cannot be done to check, or at least modify our monstrous worship of facts, Art will become sterile, and beauty will pass away from the land." Anyway, that is how I feel about certain things lately. If you still care, I am a ... ...Well I will leave you folks with that. If you did not read this then so be it. If you did, then, why'd ya waste your time like that for? Ok, as I said, whatever the box consists of is fine with me. Take care. Yours, *******" [end] Anyway, that's what he wrote, and again, the Corwood response was: "Not a waste of time We greatly appreciate your thoughts Concur with the philosophy And agree with the conclusions Thanks Corwood" Nice for them to have read it and replied. Have a good night. M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 6226 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 02:41:32 -0000 Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r18.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 02:41:32 -0000 Received: from Summersteps@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id l.b7.74630af (17085) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:40:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Summersteps@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:40:51 EDT Subject: Jandek tribute To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hello, Well Ron, I guess you don't like the tribute. I'm very proud of the tribute CD. I guess like Jandek's music the tribute CD is not for everyone. I think the artists all took a different approach to the music some more closely to the traditional Jandek sound and others reimagined the music in a way that was not pleasing to your ears. I think with music as personal as Jandek's it takes on life of it's own inside of the head of the listener. I think each of the artists ( including the ones who did not make Vol I) was sucessful in presenting what their musical experience of Jandek was and I think everyone's is unique and different. I'm sorry if it wasn't for you. Best, Eric Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10267 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 03:46:09 -0000 Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r16.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.70) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 03:46:09 -0000 Received: from Summersteps@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id o.73.74ce444 (3939); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:45:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Summersteps@aol.com Message-ID: <73.74ce444.270ab048@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:45:12 EDT Subject: An open letter in response to Ron To: eckankore@excite.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hello, Ron, I think you've missed some of the points of the tribute CD. First are you even aware that there are some Jandek LPs that sound very similar to Weiss and Charles version of "Quinn Boys II" and their vocals are very similar to Jandek's vocalizations?. I think this was one of your gripes about why it was so "awful". Please check out the "On the Way" LP's version of "Message to Clerk" for a prime example of Jandek letting the psych-blues loose. Another point you missed is that the artists on the tribute not making fun of him. Check out the "Modern Dances" LP it's full of weird jokes and references. He jokes on the "Blue Corpse" LP about eating potatoes and clearly laughs at himself at the end of side one. "The Beginning'" track "moving slow" name checks turkey and juicey juice. I think you've mistaken an appreciation for Jandek's offbeat humor as making fun of him. Perhaps with a deeper appreciation of Jandek's deep body of work of which I think you've only skimmed. You might have realized this. I'd also like to point out that I worked with Corwood Industries themselves on the creation of this tribute. They approved of the track listing and provided cover photo. They were not offended by the content or any aspect of this product. In fact, Corwood has worked with me every step of the way. I have a deep and sincere appreciation of Jandek's work and have spent a year of my life and a fair chunk of money putting this tribute together because of my sincere appreciation for Jandek. I did not do it to have a cheap laugh and I would not have permitted anyone who I thought felt this same way to grace the tribute CD. Thanks, Eric Schlittler Summersteps Records p.s. Ron, please note, I did not have to revert to name calling or personal attacks to make these points. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11338 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 04:01:04 -0000 Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r02.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 04:01:04 -0000 Received: from Summersteps@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id l.5f.b3746c6 (3939) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:00:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Summersteps@aol.com Message-ID: <5f.b3746c6.270ab3e2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:00:34 EDT Subject: Ron's letter To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_5f.b3746c6.270ab3e2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --part1_5f.b3746c6.270ab3e2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_5f.b3746c6.270ab3e2_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) by air-zc05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:54:36 -0400 Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:54:22 -0400 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001003025421.BJR12294.bucky.excite.com@doby.excite.com> for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:54:21 -0700 Message-ID: <2908550.970541661630.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:54:21 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: Summersteps@aol.com Subject: Re: Jandek tribute Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.105.157.6 If I could summarize my gripe in a nutshell (minus four letter words) it's that most of the participants treat Jandek like a big joke, a freak show. I happen to think of Jandek as an artist, just as I view Syd Barrett and Roky Erickson as artists. There's nothing wrong with having a sense of humor, but I hate smug hipper-than-thou arrogance... I think the artists all took a different approach to the music > some more closely to the traditional Jandek sound and others reimagined the > music in a way that was not pleasing to your ears. I think with music as > personal as Jandek's it takes on life of it's own inside of the head of the > listener. I think each of the artists ( including the ones who did not make > Vol I) was sucessful in presenting what their musical experience of Jandek > was and I think everyone's is unique and different. > _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html --part1_5f.b3746c6.270ab3e2_boundary-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 17506 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 05:48:26 -0000 Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r13.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.67) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 05:48:26 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id l.b3.147fc6e (9726) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:47:57 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:47:56 EDT Subject: Re: religious themes and tribute To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > Has anyone > had a Jandek-themed holiday before? My friends and I tried to pull this off 5 or 6 years ago, at school in NY. The holiday was actually "Swope Day" in honor of the film Putney Swope (as well as a dig on Cornell's Slope Day), and we were going to play the yet-unheard copy of Lost Cause I had been displaying on my mantel for a few years. We actually went so far as to promote the idea of a Jandek listening party on local radio, until some guy called up and told me that he himself had tried to do it once and it was just too painful(!) We did eventually have the party, about 2 years later, and I ended up being the only person who didn't walk out. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19697 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 06:34:33 -0000 Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.41) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 06:34:33 -0000 Received: from NCR13@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id l.bd.781a4f2 (9726) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:33:56 -0400 (EDT) From: NCR13@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:33:56 EDT Subject: Re: An open letter in response to Ron To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I personally can't judge the quality of the tribute, as I have not heard it, but since this debate has been dragged out into the public forum, I will make a few comments. In regards to translating Jandek's offbeat sense of humor, well maybe Jim Carrey understood Andy Kaufman but that doesn't mean Man on the Moon didn't suck. And Ron makes a good point about there being a difference between humor and hipper-than-thou smugness, which is a pretty good description of Thurston, isn't it? I would also agree that the track listing is way, way off in terms of being representative of Jandek's body of work, but then again Eric could only put out what was given to him. I can see both sides of the issue, but ultimately my respect and personal understanding of Jandek tells me that I don't want this CD in my collection. Others may feel differently, that's just a personal thing, but if you want to participate in discussions on this list you should be able to deal with criticism (unfounded or otherwise) . Jandek has been dealing with criticism for over 20 years! Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22098 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 07:06:01 -0000 Received: from penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.134) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 07:06:01 -0000 Received: from [168.191.184.39] (sdn-ar-001txaustP301.dialsprint.net [168.191.184.39]) by penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20115 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010030706.AAA20115@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 01:54:42 -0500 Subject: Re: An open letter in response to Ron From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i've never lintened to a tribute album that wasn't really terrible. i think they are just lame in theory. especially in jandeks case you know like in that saying about comedy "it's all in the delivery". jandek songs don't really seem to lend themselves well to various interpretations. his songs only seem to work and written for the way he plays etc. there are songs that are open to interpretation and then there is jandek. ~J ---------- >From: NCR13@aol.com >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Re: An open letter in response to Ron >Date: Tue, Oct 3, 2000, 1:33 AM > >I personally can't judge the quality of the tribute, as I have not heard it, >but since this debate has been dragged out into the public forum, I will make >a few comments. In regards to translating Jandek's offbeat sense of humor, >well maybe Jim Carrey understood Andy Kaufman but that doesn't mean Man on >the Moon didn't suck. And Ron makes a good point about there being a >difference between humor and hipper-than-thou smugness, which is a pretty >good description of Thurston, isn't it? I would also agree that the track >listing is way, way off in terms of being representative of Jandek's body of >work, but then again Eric could only put out what was given to him. I can see >both sides of the issue, but ultimately my respect and personal understanding >of Jandek tells me that I don't want this CD in my collection. Others may >feel differently, that's just a personal thing, but if you want to >participate in discussions on this list you should be able to deal with >criticism (unfounded or otherwise) . Jandek has been dealing with criticism >for over 20 years! > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 7332 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 14:04:48 -0000 Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r10.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.10) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 14:04:48 -0000 Received: from BlackBook78@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id f.f9.343ca80 (15864) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.3) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:04:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:04:12 EDT From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Jandek Albums To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hello- I have been searching and searching for these three albums, but to no avail. I was wondering if anyone had these and would be willing to tape them for me: The Rocks Crumble Nine Thirty Interstellar Discussion thank you for any help, mike Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10796 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 15:18:26 -0000 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (128.135.12.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 15:18:26 -0000 Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e93FIQO28622 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:18:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (spleimer@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e93FINh12435 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:18:23 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: spleimer owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:18:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Sam Leimer X-Sender: spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Another comment on the tribute In-Reply-To: <5201285.970535003914.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 eckankore@excite.com wrote: > I was giving the Jandek "tribute" another listen- or should I say another > chance- and I decided that I should revise my previous comment. I originally > said it was "awful", but I decided that this is not strong enough. What it > really is is a near-worthless piece of shit that actually does Jandek a > disservice. Look, dammit, Jandek is not a novelty act. I don't know about that. I mean, having released so many albums on such a regular schedule is a bit of a novelty and the fact that he sounds like nothing else in the world is trully a novelty. I don't think calling anybody a novelty act or freak show isn't necessarily an insult anyway. you probably get offended by the way porn "objectifies people" or some such shit. and who are you to defend Jandek? why can't people laugh at him, don't you think he laughs at himself? I mean, the futility of pouring as much time and effort in his art is pretty amusing, he's never going to become the large scale commodity such that: > the vast majority of the > legions of supposedly more "talented" and "skilled: musicians and > songwriters out there have become. I think one of Jandek's greatest virtues is his commitment to his own style of self-expression without glamorizing his acknowledgable incontestable freak angle (ala Marilyn Manson). > reflected a sampling of his greatest songs: in that category I would put > "Can I See You Clock", "What Did I Hear", "The Real You", "Take My Will", > "For You and I", "Falling Down Deep", "Moon Dance" etc etc etc. These songs yeah, _you_ would put them in that category. > are almost transcendentally eerie and beautiful. Why the hell did no one > want to cover any of these songs? Instead we get Thurston Moron doing > "Painted My Teeth"! it wasn't that bad, like, I thought it was okay until I knew who was "responsible" for it. but it was no "babe I love you," genius! > And never mind the goons who do that "Have you ever > heard Jandek" atrocity (have you every heard of being so devoid of > imagination that you should shut the fuck up?) agreed. that song was one of the worst things I've ever heard. the J.D. Salinger reference totally pegged the song (in the same way that the presence of Catcher in the Rye on the Heartattack reader's poll top 5 favorite books shows us what's wrong with hardcore kids -what's up with all the "non-conformists" identifying with other "non-conformists"? how does that work? god I hate that book). > Ron k > > It's the zine writer in me... but at least here I don't have to have my own zine to respond to you... although, yeah, there was some real crap on that tribute but it wasn't all bad. and Eric, your abstinence from four letter words is L-A-M-E. go ahead, tell us to fuck ourselves, you're not any better a person for not doing it. thanks (to Ron for bringing up his dissatisfaction with the comp and Eric for putting it out), SAM Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 12865 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 15:59:32 -0000 Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.49) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 15:59:32 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (pool0146.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.192.146]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28796 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39DA02B4.F8C84249@earthlink.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:00:55 -0700 From: alecw Reply-To: errora@earthlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: false prophets and the Work Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Excerpts from The Priory of Hipness Decree to all Followers of St. Jandek:

...regardless of motivations of the false prophets, the mysteries and "Work" of the true keepers of the True Flame of Hipness and Knowledge of Correct Motivations in the Interpretation of Saint Jandek and his comings and goings, so enigmatic, unfathomable and strange to the non-initiate and neophyte alike, of the true patriarchs of Indie, Obscure, d.i.y., etc. (which never fall into the pits of the Devil Music Industry), the seeker must never sway from the truth as dictated by the "Instructions in Sound" of The Most Holy of Holy trinities, The Golden Trinity:
 

Thurston = Father

Beck = Son

Kurt = Holy Ghost Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14231 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 16:19:01 -0000 Received: from web2304.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.76) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 16:19:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20001003161901.14305.qmail@web2304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.79.204.2] by web2304.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:19:01 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:19:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Subject: false prophets and the Work To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Cc: errora@earthlink.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1681692777-970589941=:14293" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk --0-1681692777-970589941=:14293 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Regardless of Jandek's contributions to "music", none of these three has offered anything new and or original to "music". Listen to early Glenn Branca and you'll see where Sonic Youth got their early sound. Beck is one of the biggest chameleons ever in rock history and Kurt Cobain was just yer standard post punk rock musician . While I enjoy all three, there just ain't anything special about them. Your fan boy tendencies are on display. ...regardless of motivations of the false prophets, the mysteries and "Work" of the true keepers of the True Flame of Hipness and Knowledge of Correct Motivations in the Interpretation of Saint Jandek and his comings and goings, so enigmatic, unfathomable and strange to the non-initiate and neophyte alike, of the true patriarchs of Indie, Obscure, d.i.y., etc. (which never fall into the pits of the Devil Music Industry), the seeker must never sway from the truth as dictated by the "Instructions in Sound" of The Most Holy of Holy trinities, The Golden Trinity: Thurston = Father --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! --0-1681692777-970589941=:14293 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Regardless of Jandek's contributions to "music", none of these three has offered anything new and or original to "music".  Listen to early Glenn Branca and you'll see where Sonic Youth got their early sound.  Beck is one of the biggest chameleons ever in rock history and Kurt Cobain was just yer standard post punk rock musician .  While I enjoy all three, there just ain't anything special about them.

Your fan boy tendencies are on display.


...regardless of motivations of the false prophets, the mysteries and "Work" of the true keepers of the True Flame of Hipness and Knowledge of Correct Motivations in the Interpretation of Saint Jandek and his comings and goings, so enigmatic, unfathomable and strange to the non-initiate and neophyte alike, of the true patriarchs of Indie, Obscure, d.i.y., etc. (which never fall into the pits of the Devil Music Industry), the seeker must never sway from the truth as dictated by the "Instructions in Sound" of The Most Holy of Holy trinities, The Golden Trinity:
 

Thurston = Father


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Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! --0-1681692777-970589941=:14293-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 15021 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 16:30:03 -0000 Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.74) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 16:30:03 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (pool0146.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.192.146]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13534 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39DA09D5.601EA472@earthlink.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:31:23 -0700 From: alecw Reply-To: errora@earthlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: false prophets and the Work References: <20001003161901.14305.qmail@web2304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk and i hope that greg is the last person on this list who actually took my post seriously thus missing the point entirely.  i was making fun of the darlings' cults, greg.  get it?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Greg wrote:

Regardless of Jandek's contributions to "music", none of these three has offered anything new and or original to "music".  Listen to early Glenn Branca and you'll see where Sonic Youth got their early sound.  Beck is one of the biggest chameleons ever in rock history and Kurt Cobain was just yer standard post punk rock musician .  While I enjoy all three, there just ain't anything special about them.

Your fan boy tendencies are on display.

...regardless of motivations of the false prophets, the mysteries and "Work" of the true keepers of the True Flame of Hipness and Knowledge of Correct Motivations in the Interpretation of Saint Jandek and his comings and goings, so enigmatic, unfathomable and strange to the non-initiate and neophyte alike, of the true patriarchs of Indie, Obscure, d.i.y., etc. (which never fall into the pits of the Devil Music Industry), the seeker must never sway from the truth as dictated by the "Instructions in Sound" of The Most Holy of Holy trinities, The Golden Trinity:
 

Thurston = Father
 

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Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 26374 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 19:49:28 -0000 Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.123) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 19:49:28 -0000 Received: from [63.29.89.22] (1Cust22.tnt1.steamboat-springs.co.da.uu.net [63.29.89.22]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16535 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:49:21 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:49:25 -0600 Subject: People, People Please! From: David Caddell To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Yo y'all, Waz up Alec? With making points and then returning to say "I wadn't all 'dat serious" after some other brother comes down on ya'? Hell, man, I know you dig Thurston, Beck and Kurt, ain't nobady gonna' give you no static for that - go a head and keep it as your own instead of passing off some "don't you know I'm cooler than to get into those fools." But Greg does have a point, your brothers three of the hip trinity are more like figureheads representing three factions of hip/wacked sensibility approach, and who do they have in their wake? Now here's MY list, sheeeeeeee....... Thurston = Jandek + Branca + Stockhausen + James Chance + Clint Ruin + Lamont young + a whole lotta' other crazy mutherfuckers . . . Kurt = Jandek + J. Mascis + Sonic Youth + The Sonics + Big Black + Kevin Shields + a whole lotta' other mutherfuckin' crazies . . . Beck = Jandek + Prince + Jon Spencer Blues Explosion + Beastie Boys + Quintron + a whole lotta' other crazy fuckin' muthers . . . But do the figureheads equal the sum of their parts? If I was inclined to deduct my own holy hip trinity, it would look something similar to this.... Father = Velvet Underground Son = Jandek Holy Ghost = John Coltrane Although Jandek could also sorta' qualify for holy ghost also, but I wouldn't really make such a list, anyway. And ain't that Jandek always showin' up all over the place? No THAT'S a hip brother! David "Slimehead" Slim Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1900 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 22:18:53 -0000 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 22:18:53 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (pool0086.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.192.86]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15860 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39DA5B90.A3F82B33@earthlink.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:20:41 -0700 From: alecw Reply-To: errora@earthlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: cult of the personality and the holy trin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk bloody hell, i was making a point that those three pencil neck wankers get more praise than they deserve, from smart ass critics and such. it's not their fault, it's their cults' faults. we're all guilty of some sort of personality cult affiliation. why else would we be on a list centered on the mysterious "personality" (anti-personality?) of jandek? i presented this in the form of a royal/religious decree. i thought it was funny. i wasn't seriously thinking these guys are worth all this worship so i set up my statement in a sort of worship-like style, as per our judeo-christian-freemason tradition. crikey! that's why i resented this "fan boy" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean) accusation. THAT was the comment that made me think greg missed my point. having said that, i like some sonic youth records, i like one beck record. too much clever boy hype heaped on all of them. i already lived through david byrne. i don't think i like any nirvana but cobain had a knack for pop tunes and an appropriately scratchy sort of voice. MY HOLY TRINITY THING WAS BASED IN SARCASM and not in any "FAN BOY" biz. i DON'T think of them as a holy trinity but as an OVER-HYPED triad that might as well be a HOLY TRINITY. there is a difference. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 3835 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 23:28:30 -0000 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@203.109.252.8) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 23:28:30 -0000 Received: from noel-pc.ihug.co.nz (p44-max1.dun.ihug.co.nz [209.76.100.44]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA13913 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:28:22 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp2.ihug.co.nz: Host p44-max1.dun.ihug.co.nz [209.76.100.44] claimed to be noel-pc.ihug.co.nz Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20001004110547.00d07cf0@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: hiatus@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:24:30 +1300 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Hamish Noonan Subject: Re: Another comment on the tribute In-Reply-To: References: <5201285.970535003914.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >I don't know about that. I mean, having released so many albums on such a >regular schedule is a bit of a novelty and the fact that he sounds like >nothing else in the world is trully a novelty. I'm kind of missing the whole novelty act part of his music. its shows the sad state of contemporary music to think of someone following their own voice a novelty. >mean, the futility of pouring as much time and effort in his art is pretty >amusing, he's never going to become the large scale commodity such that: Whats strange about that? Nearly everyone i know is in the same predicament. Another gripe about this list now that i've finally delurked: why do people make such a big deal about the supposed mystery surrounding the man? Jandek gives more of himself on record than nearly any other artist i can think of right now. He doesn't hide behind some fancy production and you can hear more about how hes feeling from his voice than a million rewrites of VU songs on yr local student radio. There is no mystery - Jandek is the person singing the songs. Don't you think that going to a gig and seeing talentless arseholes exhibiting themselves on stage is a bigger freakshow? Or seeing some wanker explain the prententious reasons behind their latest record and the details of their tedious life across the pages of a zine? ========================================= snail: PO Box 6283, Dunedin, New Zealand phone: (03)477-7345 email: hiatus@ihug.co.nz SEA: http://www.converge.org.nz/sea/ HTH: http://unearth.octopig.org.nz/hth/ ========================================= Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8206 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 01:15:26 -0000 Received: from web111.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.81) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 01:15:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 14519 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2000 01:14:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20001004011438.14518.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.246.207.177] by web111.yahoomail.com; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:14:38 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:14:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Be Subject: A few more comments To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 eckankore@excite.com wrote: Look, dammit, Jandek is not a novelty act. --- Sam Leimer wrote: > I don't think calling anybody a novelty act or freak show isn't > necessarily an insult anyway. you probably get offended by the way porn > "objectifies people" or some such shit. and who are you to defend > Jandek? > why can't people laugh at him, don't you think he laughs at himself? The problem is that the "novelty" aspect of Jandek's music comprises roughly 35-45% of his musical output, and about 97% of the journalistic coverage of the music (Byron Coley being the only journalist I can think of that does the music justice.) Jandek has a very healthy sense of humor, and some of the albums are a riot (both intended and residually) from start to finish. However, on other albums, he ain't laughin'. He doesn't let up on the intensity of expression by allowing you to chuckle or smile (if you're really listening.) The so called "novelty" of his business practices does not taint these pieces. --- Sam Leimer wrote: >I mean, the futility of pouring as much time and effort in his art is >pretty amusing I don't consider it futile, and I don't consider it a big joke... The tribute CD was decent. A fair representation of the different sides of the Jandek catalogue. I don't like the previously mentioned T. Moore and "Have you ever heard..." tracks either, but as a whole the CD was worth the purchase. --- Hamish Noonan wrote: > Don't you think that going to a gig and seeing talentless arseholes > exhibiting themselves on stage is a bigger freakshow? Or seeing some > wanker > explain the prententious reasons behind their latest record and the > details > of their tedious life across the pages of a zine? If you release albums and cds, you are prententious. If you write books, you are prententious. If you post to discussion lists defending Jandek, you are prententious. If you exist, you are prententious. If you use the word prententious, you are prententious. If you try to insult people for being prententious, you are kidding yrself! I wish people would stop using this useless, stupid, prententious word. ===== http://www.geocities.com/bradleybee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9849 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 01:54:24 -0000 Received: from dns2.seanet.com (199.181.164.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 01:54:24 -0000 Received: from pgeren (dialup-63.214.14.116.Seattle1.Level3.net [63.214.14.116]) by dns2.seanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA11858 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001801c02da6$0297d5a0$740ed63f@pgeren> From: "oompa loompa" To: Subject: hmm Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:54:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C02D6B.555ECA40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C02D6B.555ECA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable jandek is some guy who plays guitar and sings. i like his music; any = attempt to decode or make myth of his music would only ruin the = listening experience. that's all. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C02D6B.555ECA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
jandek is some guy who plays guitar and = sings. i=20 like his music; any attempt to decode or make myth of his music would = only ruin=20 the listening experience. that's all.
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C02D6B.555ECA40-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10484 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 02:00:34 -0000 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 02:00:34 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (pool0472.cvx7-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.178.165.217]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17444 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39DA8F92.BF1A2EB1@earthlink.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:02:01 -0700 From: alecw Reply-To: errora@earthlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Mmm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk a list like this sometimes fills in the gaps, decodes, constructs, reconstructs and creates myths surrounding jandek, the guy who just sings and plays guitar. that's also all. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14763 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 03:44:35 -0000 Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (HELO pimout1-int.prodigy.net) (207.115.63.77) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 03:44:35 -0000 Received: from 1hj73 (nas-128-249.nyc-t.navipath.net [64.20.128.249]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e943iVp182986; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:44:31 -0400 From: "b&p" To: "Hamish Noonan" , Subject: RE: Another comment on the tribute Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:45:27 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.1.20001004110547.00d07cf0@pop.ihug.co.nz> Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk >>>>>>>Another gripe about this list now that i've finally delurked: why do people make such a big deal about the supposed mystery surrounding the man? Jandek gives more of himself on record than nearly any other artist i can think of right now. He doesn't hide behind some fancy production and you can hear more about how hes feeling from his voice than a million rewrites of VU songs on yr local student radio. There is no mystery - Jandek is the person singing the songs. Amen to all this. I started thinking Jandek was a sideshow freak--i.e., Irwin's "Incorrect Music"--and now credit him for having and maintaining his own unique voice. It takes guts/vision/a certain degree of insanity to go it this deeply and this much alone, and if it gives Jandek artistic and personal satisfaction to do it "his way," more power to him. If he chooses to cloak himself in impenetrable anonymity, God bless him. (Besides, from everything I've heard and read of his lyrics, I think I'd rather know his music than him personally--no offense meant.) Keep doing what you're doing, Jandek. (Probably reading this listserv and getting a great chuckle out of most of it!) >>>>>>>Don't you think that going to a gig and seeing talentless arseholes exhibiting themselves on stage is a bigger freakshow? Sure do.... >>>>>>>>Or seeing some wanker explain the prententious reasons behind their latest record and the details of their tedious life across the pages of a zine? I've interviewed plenty on the radio. Some artists are quite righteous, but way too many are triumphs of style over substance. Paul Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16503 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 04:22:37 -0000 Received: from emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.31) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 04:22:37 -0000 Received: from [158.252.131.121] (sdn-ar-003txaustP209.dialsprint.net [158.252.131.121]) by emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00347 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010040422.VAA00347@emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:11:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Another comment on the tribute From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk we make a big deal because it's so interesting that they guy would want to remain totally obscure and reclusive. most people would rather become famous or at least more well known for what they do. it adds an entirely different context to the music. and context is important (to me anyway, nope not a purist) ~jason ---------- >From: "b&p" >To: "Hamish Noonan" , >Subject: RE: Another comment on the tribute >Date: Tue, Oct 3, 2000, 10:45 PM > > >>>>>>>>Another gripe about this list now that i've finally delurked: why do >people >make such a big deal about the supposed mystery surrounding the man? Jandek >gives more of himself on record than nearly any other artist i can think of >right now. He doesn't hide behind some fancy production and you can hear >more about how hes feeling from his voice than a million rewrites of VU >songs on yr local student radio. There is no mystery - Jandek is the person >singing the songs. > >Amen to all this. I started thinking Jandek was a sideshow freak--i.e., >Irwin's "Incorrect Music"--and now credit him for having and maintaining his >own unique voice. It takes guts/vision/a certain degree of insanity to go it >this deeply and this much alone, and if it gives Jandek artistic and >personal satisfaction to do it "his way," more power to him. If he chooses >to cloak himself in impenetrable anonymity, God bless him. (Besides, from >everything I've heard and read of his lyrics, I think I'd rather know his >music than him personally--no offense meant.) > >Keep doing what you're doing, Jandek. (Probably reading this listserv and >getting a great chuckle out of most of it!) > >>>>>>>>Don't you think that going to a gig and seeing talentless arseholes >exhibiting themselves on stage is a bigger freakshow? > >Sure do.... > >>>>>>>>>Or seeing some wanker >explain the prententious reasons behind their latest record and the details >of their tedious life across the pages of a zine? > >I've interviewed plenty on the radio. Some artists are quite righteous, but >way too many are triumphs of style over substance. > >Paul > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 20662 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 06:13:48 -0000 Received: from dns2.seanet.com (199.181.164.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 06:13:48 -0000 Received: from pgeren (dialup-63.214.10.233.Seattle1.Level3.net [63.214.10.233]) by dns2.seanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA25856 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001301c02dca$3f44efa0$e90ad63f@pgeren> From: "oompa loompa" To: Subject: nm Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:13:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C02D8F.9197ECC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C02D8F.9197ECC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable jandek is making music for himself. that is why he doesn't care if = people know who he is. he puts it out and maybe people like it, maybe = they don't, but he probably doesn't care. you do it because you have to. = and if you don't want some ego thrown out there, and have people focus = on the music, why get yourself in the way? it's more common than you may think, an artist doing the art for the = sake of it, because he has to. money and recognition is not an issue = when you're negotiating your sanity with music. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C02D8F.9197ECC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
jandek is making music for himself. = that is why he=20 doesn't care if people know who he is. he puts it out and maybe people = like it,=20 maybe they don't, but he probably doesn't care. you do it because you = have to.=20 and if you don't want some ego thrown out there, and have people focus = on the=20 music, why get yourself in the way?
it's more common than you may think, an = artist=20 doing the art for the sake of it, because he has to. money and = recognition=20 is not an issue when you're negotiating your sanity with=20 music.
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C02D8F.9197ECC0-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 23615 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 07:31:34 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 07:31:34 -0000 Received: from [168.191.184.25] (sdn-ar-001txaustP263.dialsprint.net [168.191.184.25]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29789 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010040731.AAA29789@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 02:20:11 -0500 Subject: Re: nm From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3053470811_1485391_MIME_Part" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3053470811_1485391_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i think you are taliking about someone who is just indifferent to not being well known or just being known as a person period. with the overwhelming evidence presented of course i've never talked to jandek thus i can only conclude based his m.o. that he isn't indifferent to it but is specifically against (antagonistic?) it for whatever reason. no one knows specifically why. is he a prankster?, just people phobic? really really shy? just likes the myth context (a' la fahey's Blind Joe Death which was both prank and myth conscious)? or possibly all of these? who knows. i heard this from the management, don't think twice just pay the rent ~jason ---------- From: "oompa loompa" To: Subject: nm Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2000, 1:13 AM jandek is making music for himself. that is why he doesn't care if people know who he is. he puts it out and maybe people like it, maybe they don't, but he probably doesn't care. you do it because you have to. and if you don't want some ego thrown out there, and have people focus on the music, why get yourself in the way? it's more common than you may think, an artist doing the art for the sake of it, because he has to. money and recognition is not an issue when you're negotiating your sanity with music. --MS_Mac_OE_3053470811_1485391_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: nm i think you are taliking about someone who is just indifferent to not being=
well known or just being known as a person period. with the overwhelming evidence presented of course i've never talked to jandek thus i can only co= nclude based his m.o. that he isn't indifferent to it but is specifically ag= ainst (antagonistic?)
it for whatever reason. no one knows specifically why. is he a prankster?, = just
people phobic? really really shy? just likes the myth context (a' la fahey'= s Blind
Joe Death which was both prank and myth conscious)? or possibly all of thes= e?
who knows.

i heard this from the management, don't think twice just pay the rent

~jason
----------
From: "oompa loompa" <sam@seanet.com>
To: <jandek@cs.northwestern.edu>
Subject: nm
Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2000, 1:13 AM


jandek is making music for himself. that is why = he doesn't care if people know who he is. he puts it out and maybe people li= ke it, maybe they don't, but he probably doesn't care. you do it because you= have to. and if you don't want some ego thrown out there, and have people f= ocus on the music, why get yourself in the way?
it's more common than you may think, an artist doing the art for the sake o= f it, because he has to. money and recognition is not an issue when you're n= egotiating your sanity with music.

--MS_Mac_OE_3053470811_1485391_MIME_Part-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 1888 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 11:48:44 -0000 Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.155) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 11:48:44 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.48] (sdn-ar-001txaustP064.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.48]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25539 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 04:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010041148.EAA25539@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 06:37:11 -0500 Subject: Re: nm From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3053486231_2413895_MIME_Part" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3053486231_2413895_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit wait i just had a really good idea for a jandek documentary. obviously jandek would'nt be in it but you take his albums and various known facts and get them analised (sp?) by various (fbi or police) criminal profilers. and intermix that with various people could be anybody (a ficticious "search" for jandek) that continuously try to avoid the camera and refuse to answer any questions. have interviews with various professorial musicologist types discussing "primitive isolationism" and what not. kind of like a UFO documentary (yes! wait...no!). even include some eerily(sp?) shot footage like on that ripleys believe it or not show. wait is Jack Palance still alive? he is/was way too cool. on the other hand jack palance might make it too cheezy. ~j --MS_Mac_OE_3053486231_2413895_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: nm wait i just had a really good idea for a jandek documentary. obviously
jandek would'nt be in it but you take his albums and various known facts and get them analised (sp?) by various (fbi or police) criminal profilers.<= BR> and intermix that with various people could be anybody (a ficticious
"search" for jandek) that continuously try to avoid the camera an= d refuse to
answer any questions. have interviews with various professorial musicologis= t types
 discussing "primitive isolationism" and what not. kind of l= ike a UFO documentary (yes! wait...no!). even include some eerily(sp?)
shot footage like on that ripleys believe it or not show. wait is Jack Pala= nce
still alive? he is/was way too cool. on the other hand jack palance might m= ake it
too cheezy.

~j


--MS_Mac_OE_3053486231_2413895_MIME_Part-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 5256 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 13:22:15 -0000 Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.123) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 13:22:15 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (pool0132.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.192.132]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14607 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 06:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39DB2F50.D5371F77@earthlink.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 06:23:34 -0700 From: alecw Reply-To: errora@earthlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: laughs at himself Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk he does laugh at himself.  you can even hear it on certain songs. little chuckles here and there further draws the listener in--this listener, excuse me. i remember listening to jandek records in the mostly dark, like his record covers seem to indicate, and i heard the giggled lyrics that happen every so often and felt like i was "let in" on the whole thing.

Sam Leimer wrote:

why can't people laugh at him, don't you think he laughs at himself?
Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8280 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 14:08:04 -0000 Received: from f96.law7.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.96) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 14:08:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:07:38 -0700 Received: from 209.91.128.159 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:07:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.91.128.159] From: "Darin Mitchell" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: You Scare Me Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:07:38 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2000 14:07:38.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[73DAFAB0:01C02E0C] Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk I am stil relatively new to this Jandek thing, but what do y'all think is Jandek's most unsettling, unnerving song? A song that sends shivers down your spine when your listening at night alone? Or are there no songs at all? M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8518 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 14:10:25 -0000 Received: from the-jci.org (HELO jcint.the-jci.org) (141.214.75.157) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 14:10:25 -0000 Received: by the-jci.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:58:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Hickam, Robert" To: 'Darin Mitchell' , jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: RE: You Scare Me Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:58:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk "Hey mister can you tell me", off of Glad to Get Away is my vote... -----Original Message----- From: Darin Mitchell [mailto:susseddm@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 10:08 AM To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: You Scare Me I am stil relatively new to this Jandek thing, but what do y'all think is Jandek's most unsettling, unnerving song? A song that sends shivers down your spine when your listening at night alone? Or are there no songs at all? M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9655 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 14:24:31 -0000 Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.62) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 14:24:31 -0000 Received: from earthlink.com (pool0132.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.192.132]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03290 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39DB3DEF.30E56BD6@earthlink.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 07:26:04 -0700 From: alecw Reply-To: errora@earthlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: scared Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk actually, the last time i heard "OM" i got scared. come to think of it, john coltrane's and pharaoh sanders' track "OM" is also scary. Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 13550 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 15:27:02 -0000 Received: from fortune-rwcmta.excite.com (HELO fortune.excite.com) (198.3.99.203) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 15:27:02 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001004152636.KORY7178.fortune.excite.com@doby.excite.com> for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:26:36 -0700 Message-ID: <20483344.970673196620.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Most haunting Jandek songs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.233.56.250 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk of what I've heard (don't have all of the albums): "I Knew You Would Leave" (Six and Six) "I'll Sit Alone and think a lot about you" (On the Way) "Only Lover" (Blue Corpse) "Can I See Your Clock" (Six and Six) "Take My Will" (Glad to Get Away) "When the Telephone Melts" (You Walk Alone) and last but not least, the very creepiest and most disturbing: "Could be Anyone" (Twelfth Apostle) Not to flog a dead horse, but no that one had the guts to try to cover any of these songs on the pukey "tribute" CD. ron k _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 14646 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 15:48:42 -0000 Received: from bucky-rwcmex.excite.com (HELO bucky.excite.com) (198.3.99.218) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 15:48:42 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001004154842.MWDI12294.bucky.excite.com@doby.excite.com> for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:48:42 -0700 Message-ID: <16695371.970674522236.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Other artists that Jandekheads might like Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.233.56.250 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Just to get this out of the way, I am NOT saying that Jandek was influenced by any of these people. Only that some of their music reminds me of some of Jandek's. A relationship in spirit, in other words: Skip James "The Complete 1931 Sessions" (on Yazoo Records) I mentioned this one before. This is as dark and haunting as acoustic blues has ever gotten Loudon Wainwright III A very obscure singer-songwriter from the 70's who was a semi-regular on early episodes of "MASH". His first two records (cleverly titled "Album I" and "Album II") are all solo acoustic and have some of the off-kilter bizzare sense of humor that Jandek fans might appreciate. These albums show up in used vinyls bins *all the time* so keep an eye out if yr curious and want to spend 99 cents. As a point of reference, some of the songs on "Living in a Moon So Blue" remind me *a lot* of Loudon Wainwright III, especially "Comedy" and "Professional" ron k _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 16670 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 16:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.24) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 16:23:55 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.48] (sdn-ar-001txaustP064.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.48]) by eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14691 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010041623.JAA14691@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:12:13 -0500 Subject: Re: nm From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk i have no such knowledge of any village voice and regettfully live in austin. i'm assuming parkside lounge is in houston? thanks anyway though. ~J ---------- >From: Jason Cooley >To: jason pierce >Subject: Re: nm >Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2000, 9:41 AM > >if this is the same Jason Pierce that contributed to >the Village Voice's best-of last week, my band James >Kochalka Superstar is playing at Parkside Lounge >(corner of E. Houston and Attorney) on Saturday at >10:00. I think you would like it, if you like >Jandek... >--- jason pierce wrote: >> i think you are taliking about someone who is just >> indifferent to not being >> well known or just being known as a person period. >> with the overwhelming >> evidence presented of course i've never talked to >> jandek thus i can only >> conclude based his m.o. that he isn't indifferent to >> it but is specifically >> against (antagonistic?) >> it for whatever reason. no one knows specifically >> why. is he a prankster?, >> just >> people phobic? really really shy? just likes the >> myth context (a' la fahey's >> Blind >> Joe Death which was both prank and myth conscious)? >> or possibly all of >> these? >> who knows. >> >> i heard this from the management, don't think twice >> just pay the rent >> >> ~jason >> ---------- >> From: "oompa loompa" >> To: >> Subject: nm >> Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2000, 1:13 AM >> >> >> jandek is making music for himself. that is why he >> doesn't care if people >> know who he is. he puts it out and maybe people like >> it, maybe they don't, >> but he probably doesn't care. you do it because you >> have to. and if you >> don't want some ego thrown out there, and have >> people focus on the music, >> why get yourself in the way? >> it's more common than you may think, an artist doing >> the art for the sake of >> it, because he has to. money and recognition is not >> an issue when you're >> negotiating your sanity with music. >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 18162 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 16:56:11 -0000 Received: from eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.24) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 16:56:11 -0000 Received: from [168.191.153.48] (sdn-ar-001txaustP064.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.48]) by eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15917 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010041656.JAA15917@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:44:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Other artists that Jandekheads might like From: "jason pierce" To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk does anyone besides myself hear somekind of john lee hooker kind of thing going on as well. i was thinking that earlier. mostly just the way he plays guitar. or maybe john lee hooker records don't quite sound as i remember them. anyway very loose and slightly out of time ~j ---------- >From: eckankore@excite.com >To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu >Subject: Other artists that Jandekheads might like >Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2000, 10:48 AM > > >Just to get this out of the way, I am NOT saying that Jandek was influenced >by any of these people. Only that some of their music reminds me of some of >Jandek's. A relationship in spirit, in other words: > >Skip James "The Complete 1931 Sessions" (on Yazoo Records) >I mentioned this one before. This is as dark and haunting as acoustic blues >has ever gotten > >Loudon Wainwright III >A very obscure singer-songwriter from the 70's who was a semi-regular on >early episodes of "MASH". His first two records (cleverly titled "Album I" >and "Album II") are all solo acoustic and have some of the off-kilter >bizzare sense of humor that Jandek fans might appreciate. These albums show >up in used vinyls bins *all the time* so keep an eye out if yr curious and >want to spend 99 cents. As a point of reference, some of the songs on >"Living in a Moon So Blue" remind me *a lot* of Loudon Wainwright III, >especially "Comedy" and "Professional" > >ron k > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Say Bye to Slow Internet! >http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19540 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 17:16:31 -0000 Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 17:16:31 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (adsl-141-151-144-94.bellatlantic.net [141.151.144.94]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08903 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200010041656.JAA15917@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <200010041656.JAA15917@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:15:20 -0400 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: Other artists that Jandekheads might like Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Hmmm. There's that Lightnin' Hopkins lick in "Down at the Ball Park," which doesn't surprise me at all, considering J's Texan roots. -Maurice At 11:44 AM -0500 10/4/00, jason pierce wrote: >does anyone besides myself hear somekind of john lee hooker >kind of thing going on as well. i was thinking that earlier. >mostly just the way he plays guitar. or maybe john lee hooker records don't >quite >sound as i remember them. anyway very loose and slightly out of time > >~j -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 21921 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 17:58:45 -0000 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (128.135.12.12) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 17:58:45 -0000 Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e94Hwje07449 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:58:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (spleimer@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e94HwjN20788 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:58:45 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: spleimer owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:58:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Sam Leimer X-Sender: spleimer@harper.uchicago.edu cc: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Another comment on the tribute In-Reply-To: <200010040422.VAA00347@emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, jason pierce wrote: > we make a big deal because it's so interesting that they guy would > want to remain totally obscure and reclusive. most people would > rather become famous or at least more well known for what they do. it adds > an entirely different context to the music. > and context is important (to me anyway, nope not a purist) > > ~jason yeah And I think that's a basis for novelty. I don't think novelty is bad. and my appreciation of the Jandek novelty is not the extent of my appreciation of Jandek. but the novelty that all we're given is these recordings and that we can contextualize them however we want is really exciting. (that's what is good about the summersteps comp, even the ugly fucking wart that is the Bright Eyes track -that guy's "playing" himself). we're left to picture Jandek as a sideshow freak, an incompetent entrepreneur or someguy expressing himself. and those who assert that somebody is myopic and lame because he/she can't relate to Jandek or understand him outside of the context of the status quo recording artist-ship (but _they_ can)? that's pretty fucking pretentious of _them_ (whoever _they_ might be)! "If you don't like how I'm living then fuck you." -Ice Cube SAM Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 7360 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 22:39:28 -0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.37) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 22:39:28 -0000 Received: from Cassierosek@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id l.b5.15edf42 (4399) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:38:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Cassierosek@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:38:48 EDT Subject: Oh, that pukey tribute! To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 104 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Dearest Ron K, Yes, you have shamed me! I am a fucking pussy for not doing one of your favorite songs. Did you ever stop and possibly imagine that others may feel the same way you do about other Jandek songs? I even agree with you about the grotesque Bright Eyes track, but what made you so hostile to completely dismiss everything as a piece of garbage. I chose Spanish in Me because of personal taste and personal reasons that you are too close minded to comprehend. I am not a talented musician, nor do I have a beautiful singing voice, but I put a Iot of myself into my contribution and I know others did as well. I am not asking you to get one out over the whole thing, but I think the "zine writer lameass" in you needs to take a step back. I know you will have some gracious comments to splutter about my track. I pose you show us how to correctly cover someone as "free to interpretation" as Jandek. Please, Ron, post it as an MP3 and we can all relish in its glory. I may not be as gentle as Eric, so Ron, you could eat my cunt! X O X O, Cassie Rose Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 8368 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 22:57:06 -0000 Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (209.89.75.17) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 22:57:06 -0000 Received: from ip196.ottawa11.dialup.canada.psi.net ([154.5.32.196]) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 13gxTp-0002Wq-00 for jandek@cs.northwestern.edu; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:57:42 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:55:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Jandek Movie From: "Sam M." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200010041148.EAA25539@kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3053530549_175633_MIME_Part" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3053530549_175633_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Actually, this ain't a bad idea at all! I don't know about the fictionalized avoidance segments, but the rest sounds interesting...throw in perhaps interviews with people who've actually made contact or have particular interest (the Irwins & Seths, and that Texas Monthly reporter) and footage of the historically-important-in-the-Corwood-scheme-of-things locations (the PO box, etc)...could have a nice cross between an episode of "Investigative Reports" and one of those underground-rock doc's (eg "The Band Who Would be King", "Hated"). So who's got the seed capital/connexns to arts-funding foundations? From: "jason pierce" Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 06:37:11 -0500 To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: nm wait i just had a really good idea for a jandek documentary. obviously jandek would'nt be in it but you take his albums and various known facts and get them analised (sp?) (analyzed - ed) by various (fbi or police) criminal profilers. and intermix that with various people could be anybody (a ficticious "search" for jandek) that continuously try to avoid the camera and refuse to answer any questions. have interviews with various professorial musicologist types discussing "primitive isolationism" and what not. kind of like a UFO documentary (yes! wait...no!). even include some eerily(sp?) shot footage like on that ripleys believe it or not show. wait is Jack Palance still alive? he is/was way too cool. on the other hand jack palance might make it too cheezy. ~j --MS_Mac_OE_3053530549_175633_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Jandek Movie Actually, this ain't a bad idea at all!  I don't know about the fictio= nalized avoidance segments, but the rest sounds interesting...throw in perha= ps interviews with people who've actually made contact or have particular in= terest (the Irwins & Seths, and that Texas Monthly reporter) and footage= of the historically-important-in-the-Corwood-scheme-of-things locations (th= e PO box, etc)...could have a nice cross between an episode of "Investi= gative Reports" and one of those underground-rock doc's (eg "The B= and Who Would be King", "Hated").  So who's got the seed= capital/connexns to arts-funding foundations?

From: "jason pierce" <onyxmirr@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 06:37:11 -0500
To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu
Subject: Re: nm


wait i just had a really good idea for a jandek documentary. ob= viously
jandek would'nt be in it but you take his albums and various known facts and get them analised (sp?) (analyzed - ed) by various (fbi o= r police) criminal profilers.
and intermix that with various people could be anybody (a ficticious
"search" for jandek) that continuously try to avoid the camera an= d refuse to
answer any questions. have interviews with various professorial musicologis= t types
discussing "primitive isolationism" and what not. kind of like a= UFO documentary (yes! wait...no!). even include some eerily(sp?)
shot footage like on that ripleys believe it or not show. wait is Jack Pala= nce
still alive? he is/was way too cool. on the other hand jack palance might m= ake it
too cheezy.

~j




--MS_Mac_OE_3053530549_175633_MIME_Part-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 9761 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 23:20:43 -0000 Received: from dns2.seanet.com (199.181.164.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 23:20:43 -0000 Received: from pgeren (dialup-209.245.168.6.Seattle1.Level3.net [209.245.168.6]) by dns2.seanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA22674 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000e01c02e59$b23d4220$06a8f5d1@pgeren> From: "oompa loompa" To: Subject: /object Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:20:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02E1F.04B04A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02E1F.04B04A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i was trying to cover some jandek tracks: figure out the tunings, get = the timing perfected, then realized it would drive me more insane than i = already am. much respect to whoever did jandek covers on that comp. = haven't heard it but it's not as easy as it sounds, trying to replicate = musical silly putty. too many possibilities. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02E1F.04B04A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i was trying to cover some jandek = tracks: figure=20 out the tunings, get the timing perfected, then realized it would drive = me more=20 insane than i already am. much respect to whoever did jandek covers on = that=20 comp. haven't heard it but it's not as easy as it sounds, trying to = replicate=20 musical silly putty. too many possibilities.
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02E1F.04B04A60-- Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 10618 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 23:34:34 -0000 Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 23:34:34 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (adsl-141-151-144-94.bellatlantic.net [141.151.144.94]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA19332 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maurice@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000e01c02e59$b23d4220$06a8f5d1@pgeren> References: <000e01c02e59$b23d4220$06a8f5d1@pgeren> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:33:00 -0400 To: From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: /object Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk It _is_ tough. (I say this having been one of the people who sent something in, but didn't make the cut.) You have to impose some order to be able to remember the song and play it, but you can't squash the life out of the thing, either. It's a difficult balance. (And try working with a drum machine, too.) 'Course, I haven't heard the tribute yet, so I don't know how other people resolved the problem, but it is a challenge indeed. -Maurice At 4:20 PM -0700 10/4/00, oompa loompa wrote: i was trying to cover some jandek tracks: figure out the tunings, get the timing perfected, then realized it would drive me more insane than i already am. much respect to whoever did jandek covers on that comp. haven't heard it but it's not as easy as it sounds, trying to replicate musical silly putty. too many possibilities. -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 11578 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 00:00:01 -0000 Received: from bucky-rwcmex.excite.com (HELO bucky.excite.com) (198.3.99.218) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 00:00:01 -0000 Received: from doby.excite.com ([199.172.152.182]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001004235934.QTGN12294.bucky.excite.com@doby.excite.com>; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:59:34 -0700 Message-ID: <13146194.970703974825.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:59:34 -0700 (PDT) From: eckankore@excite.com To: Cassierosek@aol.com, jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Subject: Re: Oh, that pukey tribute! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.105.157.137 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:38:48 EDT, Cassierosek@aol.com wrote: I chose Spanish in Me > because of personal taste and personal reasons that you are too close minded > to comprehend. Actually I don't hate your track like the Bright Eyes and Dapper tracks. I just don't care for it too much. > but I think the "zine writer lameass" in you needs to take a step back. I > know you will have some gracious comments to splutter about my track. Since you asked, I think you sound like Mary lou Lord, who I've never liked. Happy? I pose > you show us how to correctly cover someone as "free to interpretation" as > Jandek. I don't need to Cassie. Listen to the track by Ivory Elephant. They're the only band/performer that did justice to the original and added something of their own to it, which was supposed to be the whole point. > I may not be as gentle as Eric, so Ron, you could eat my cunt! You shouldn't say that to a guy (particularly a fanzine dork guy). They might take you up on it. love ron _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 19181 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 02:47:20 -0000 Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (HELO imo-r02.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.2) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 02:47:20 -0000 Received: from Egg1000@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id l.1e.b8edf16 (6398) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:46:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Egg1000@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.b8edf16.270d4592@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:46:42 EDT Subject: primitive isolationism To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk primitive isolationism? is this stuff for real? if you think of Jandek as being anything more than a guy with a guitar, some poems, and a couple of beers and/or bong hits just doing whatever he feels like and cathcing it all on tape, then you are way off the mark... yes, his records are great, if you're the kind of person who likes that kind of stuff, but no, this man Jandek is certainly not harnessing some creative force called primitive isolationism... he's just playing around... and i can't help but think that Jandek is getting an enormous chuckle out of the prospect of this "tribute album" thing... Delivered-To: jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Received: (qmail 22621 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 04:11:53 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (HELO pimout2-int.prodigy.net) (207.115.63.101) by godzilla.cs.nwu.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 04:11:53 -0000 Received: from 1hj73 ([64.20.216.228]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e954BTg87544; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:11:29 -0400 From: "b&p" To: , Subject: RE: Other artists that Jandekheads might like Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:12:52 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <16695371.970674522236.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-jandek@cs.northwestern.edu Precedence: bulk Loudon Wainwright III A very obscure singer-songwriter from the 70's who was a semi-regular on early episodes of "MASH". His first